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Originally Posted by murnut
Hacking is moral and just?
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That's not what I'm saying, murnut. I am not saying any specific 'crime' is moral or just. Reversing my argument like you have tried to do is not an appropriate response.
The fact that this kind of information (extraterrestrial life, free energy) is surpressed is detrimental to the ENTIRE human race. If hacking is what was necessary to get hold of some of this information then yes, it was justified.
I expect you would counter this with something like, 'Well, if murder is what was necessary would you say that was justified, too?'
My response would be 'yes'. I don't support murdering people or starting wars; I would like to think that people are more intelligent than having to resort to it. But if people did not resist what they consider to be tyranny to the ultimate extent (causing the death of those who are oppressing you) would the United States of America ever have existed?
Also, this is the reason you have the second amendment. It is not simply about being allowed to own a gun. It allows for the PEOPLE to maintain a well armed militia to be used as a last resort (asuming all other avenues of resistance have been exhausted) against the GOVERNMENT when it inevitably 'goes bad' (as power tends to corrupt).
The founders would not have put it in there if they didn't think it might be necessary, one day. The US government went bad a long time ago and it has been metastasising ever since. Now it looks like the whole body is about to go into total system failure.
You might think that my point of view is a little extreme but consider this: a slave sees an opportunity to get away from his slave-master, to freedom, but he has to kill the slave-master first. The kind of person who would own a slave is not the kind of person who would take any notice of the protests of the slave.
He would laugh at his requests to be set free. He would have fits of laughter, rolling on the floor, over the slave's protests that he should have equal rights as the slave-master and be treated equally and fairly. If the slave became aggressive he would be physically assaulted to put him back in line. If the slave became uncooperative he would not be fed till he started 'behaving' again.
The only 'protest' left open to the slave is to kill the person who considers him to be their property. In this situation the slave's actions are perfectly justified. The slave has a birth right (or God-given right, if you want to think of it in those terms) to be free. The slave-master has absolutely no rights over the slave whatsoever. The slave-master is committing a crime against nature. The slave's actions are restoring the natural order.
Your argument that the UFO community should only stick to 'legal' means is ridiculous. You are like the slave tugging on the tailcoats of your slave-master asking for him to be nice to you, to throw you a few more crumbs from the dinner table for your supper.
You accept your position as subserviant to the government or the PTB or the inteligence agencies or the secret societies or whoever. You are NOT subserviant. You have as much right to all this information as they do. If they won't give it to you you have to be prepared to take it.
Operate within legal means all you can, but all they have to do is pass another law to make your
previously legal actions illegal. Then what are you going to do? Give up, forget about it, be a good little slave? Serve them well, murnut, they might let you eat at the dinner table one day, who knows?
Freedom of Information Act requests with regard to UFOs or free energy technology or anything THEY want kept secret are simply laughed at. The legal means of fight the PTB have long been exhausted.
Murnut, you really need to get over this 'legal' nonsense. Most of the actions of the government in Nazi Germany were legal. The actions of the Soviet empire within its territories were legal. Governments pass laws all the time to make their crimes 'legal' (for example, the recent theft by the US government of $700B from you, your children, your grandchildren - the wealth of future generations stolen from them before a lot of them have even been born). Big Brother is not a benevolent big brother. He is a nasty, stinking piece of 5h1t that needs to be flushed down the fcuking toilet!