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Old 07-26-2009, 08:02 PM   #46
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Default Re: Is 2012 Doom and Gloom Fiction?

Hi folks,

I’m back from Wales. Had a great holiday (thank you Burgundia for wishing us well on our hols). Had a lot of rain, but also plenty of sunshine between.

All,

It is only necessary to read one of the three lengthy comments that I posted back in 2008 to get the gist of the perspective on 2012 that I find most accurate. The three comments are, to a large extent, copies, each with additional material relating to the subject matter of the threads concerned. I also recommend a close scrutiny of John Major Jenkins’ website (http://alignment2012.com/), particularly his dialogue with Calleman and critique of same. See the following links: -

http://alignment2012.com/Calleman-debate.html
http://alignment2012.com/Exchange-in-2000.html
http://alignment2012.com/MayanCalendarBasics.htm
http://alignment2012.com/eldersand2012-exchange.html
http://alignment2012.com/debate2001.html

Also take a look at his critique of Jose Arguelles’ Dreamspell theory, which also does not reflect the true long count of the Maya (see http://alignment2012.com/following.html.)


I know my Avalon posts and the dialogue between Jenkins’ and Calleman are all a bit long-winded, but if you really want to begin to understand 2012 and the Mayan long-count calendar, you do need to explore these critiques of some of the main players in the 2012 movement. Don’t accept my word for it. Do your own homework and research. There is so much rubbish out there on 2012 and the Mayan calendar. Lots of writers are cashing in on it. There is some very sloppy ‘research’ out there, which is presented as fact, when in truth much of it is wild speculation, misinformation, disinformation, strongly held belief/opinion, plane fantasy or any combination of the above.

Seashore,

Personally, I feel inclined to take Calleman’s (& thus Lungold’s) understanding on the Mayan Calendar with a pinch of salt. With regard to the statement that “the Cosmic Tree of Life at the center of our universe behind these quantum shifts was discovered by modern science only in 2003”, I have no knowledge of such a discovery. However, I suspect this is another of Calleman’s distortions.

Tone3Jaguar,

I would be really interested to here your take on Jenkins’ dialogue with Calleman and his critique of his perspective (see above links). It is a long read though. Jenkins has a very spiritual perspective on 2012 and the long-count calendar. However, to my mind, his is a much more grounded spirituality than that proclaimed by Calleman.

Asteram,

That is an excellent link (http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...astronomy.html) on the true astronomy of 2012 and the galactic alignment. I recommend all of you read this piece by Thomas Razzeto.

Taadev,

With reference to the original audio/video you presented, here is the full unedited (almost two hours) version (http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/pl...20_44_37-08_00). This is certainly a mainstream academic (one of the more open-minded ones) perspective on the Mayan Calendar and 2012. It is definitely worth listening to the longer version to get a better perspective on the academic view. There is an equally long follow up audio/video, also hosted by Jan Irvin, where he interviews John Major Jenkins (see http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/pl...00_07_50-08_00). This, to my mind, represents a more balanced view on 2012 and the Mayan Calendar.

Look forward to some more responses from you guys.

Best Wishes,

Truthseeker (Andrew)
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