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Old 09-20-2008, 03:41 PM   #16
gwynned
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Default Re: The economic meltdown is no accident

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Originally Posted by ophiuchus View Post
you are 100% ON THE MONEY,no pun intended. if anyone has the opportunity for exposure it's ron paul. so why can't WE provide him with a public forum to do what we need him to do as what he says he believes in. if the country sees a gathering of 100,000 people with ron paul telling everyone what the real deal is they will have to report it live and many more americans will be exposed to the truth. if he doesn't want to do it then he's is full of it because we're running out of time.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment. Ron Paul, not unlike what one might call his left counterpart, Amy Goodman at Democracy Now!, expose much of the truth, but not all of it. Their primary complaint seems to be that we have some 'bad' people running the government and the economy and if we could get the rascals out, all would be well. What is never examined is the nature of capitalism itself, which by itself is subject to periods of expansion and contraction, the last major one being the Great Depression. Prior to that, markets were extremely volatile and crises were common. Economists came up with ways to try and smoothe out the periods of contraction and expansion.

Marx's greatest achievement was his analysis of capitalism and one does not have to be a marxist or communist to appreciate his genius. To oversimplify, the system is based on profits, which decline as competition around new inventions increases and overproduction occurs. Increased efficiency only adds to the problem as fewer consumers are chasing more and more goods. One has only to look at the car companies to see what happens. In order for capitalism to stay afloat it needs to continuously create new products.

So what is our situation now? The world is awash in goods which fewer and fewer people can afford, and there are no new inventions that people really need or want other than some electronic trinkets.

To your other point, prior to the Iraq war, MILLIONS around the world protested. War ensued nonetheless. A rally of 100,000 in support of Ron Paul would serve as little more than an annoyance.

Sorry to appear so grim, but there is an optimistic note. While fascism occurs when capitalism enters a major crisis as happened in Germany and appears to be happening here in the US, I don't believe that Americans will go along with it in the numbers required, nor will we go willingly.
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