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Unified Serenity · 08-08-2009, 02:42 PM

I could spend time putting my own list together, but why bother when this site has done a commendable job at it. I recommend reading the entire page on this information at yowusa.

Here is the portion on the 8 traits of disinfo agents:

1) Avoidance

They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity

They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental

They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork

They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial

They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions

An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal.

But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation.

You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent

There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) Time Constant

There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

* ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

* When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

* In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

(my comments) While this list is not perfect, it does reveal a lot of how they think. I think one of the most effective tactics they use is to either team up against a high level energetic opponent or use multiple sign-in names and pretend to be several people with opposite views and thus try to discredit the person by appearing to make them look as though they are in the minority of opinion and/or facts. I have run into this several times when dealing with hot topics such as Waco, Oklahoma city bombing, 9/11, vaccines, CAFR etc..

The problem for those of us targeted by disinfo people is that the majority of people do not either have the time or energy to investigate these sorts of topics for themselves and thus rely upon others to share information and then trust their "gut instinct" on who to believe. That is always dangerous because as we know, most people do not want to change their natural inclination and do want to trust their government. I mean to believe the sorts of things that I have presented, one has to innately understand that there are people in government willing to destroy freedom and want the people to obey them regardless of the negative impact on their lives.

I have come to realize the frustration some feel when a well meaning person who has not done their research comes in and makes a ridiculous argument in trying to support the truth. Their argument makes everyone on the truth side look equally stupid. I also think this is also why we get that uncomfortable fidget in our seats feeling when we see those we respect drawn into base level emotions in a debate. We can always disagree, but we do not have to crawl down into the mud to do so. Sometimes disinfo people will throw out just enough comments meant to draw on peoples egos and then sit back and watch the mud slinging ensue.

Here is a list that is helpful that I took from yowuse:

As tables are not an option on our posts I will reorder it, but you can go to the link to see a pretty table.

The energy level goes from 20 to 700 thusly:

Dark Masters and Disinformation Operatives

20 Guilt

50 Apathy

75 Grief

100 Fear

125 Desire

150 Anger

175 Pride

Intellectual Seekers of Truth

200 Courage

250 Neutrality

310 Willingness

350 Acceptance

400 Reason

Spiritual Masters

500 Love

540 Joy

600 Peace

700-1000 Enlightenment

Is this a definitive list on where you or others are energetically? I don't believe that it is, but I do believe it is a reasonable reference list to knowing what the vibration is similar to. Can we quantify energy in this way in reality or not? Well, I am not a mathematician (sadly I add) and from what I understand everything in the universe can be explained mathematically. So, I use use this list more to get a mental picture of where someone is on the energy scale, and thus gain some appreciation as to why I feel the way I do when that energy is directed my way. I make a decision based upon this knowledge to not go into the logical emotional response to defend myself by returning the same force to them. That was the their goal, but when I don't respond likewise, it negates that energy. I guess it is emotional/spiritual Judo. I let them self destruct and simply rely upon my research and present that information from a place of level 500 and above. I am not always successful, but I always regret sinking into lower than 200.

Disinfo people if left unchecked can destroy a thread or even a forum by creating great divisions amongst people who really are seeing truth and ultimately on the same side.

08-08-2009, 02:42 PM	#16
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist I could spend time putting my own list together, but why bother when this site has done a commendable job at it. I recommend reading the entire page on this information at yowusa. Here is the portion on the 8 traits of disinfo agents: 1) Avoidance They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility. 2) Selectivity They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well. 3) Coincidental They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason. 4) Teamwork They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength. 5) Anti-conspiratorial They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do. 6) Artificial Emotions An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up. 7) Inconsistent There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it. 8) Time Constant There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: * ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. * When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. * In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin. (my comments) While this list is not perfect, it does reveal a lot of how they think. I think one of the most effective tactics they use is to either team up against a high level energetic opponent or use multiple sign-in names and pretend to be several people with opposite views and thus try to discredit the person by appearing to make them look as though they are in the minority of opinion and/or facts. I have run into this several times when dealing with hot topics such as Waco, Oklahoma city bombing, 9/11, vaccines, CAFR etc.. The problem for those of us targeted by disinfo people is that the majority of people do not either have the time or energy to investigate these sorts of topics for themselves and thus rely upon others to share information and then trust their "gut instinct" on who to believe. That is always dangerous because as we know, most people do not want to change their natural inclination and do want to trust their government. I mean to believe the sorts of things that I have presented, one has to innately understand that there are people in government willing to destroy freedom and want the people to obey them regardless of the negative impact on their lives. I have come to realize the frustration some feel when a well meaning person who has not done their research comes in and makes a ridiculous argument in trying to support the truth. Their argument makes everyone on the truth side look equally stupid. I also think this is also why we get that uncomfortable fidget in our seats feeling when we see those we respect drawn into base level emotions in a debate. We can always disagree, but we do not have to crawl down into the mud to do so. Sometimes disinfo people will throw out just enough comments meant to draw on peoples egos and then sit back and watch the mud slinging ensue. Here is a list that is helpful that I took from yowuse: As tables are not an option on our posts I will reorder it, but you can go to the link to see a pretty table. The energy level goes from 20 to 700 thusly: Dark Masters and Disinformation Operatives 20 Guilt 50 Apathy 75 Grief 100 Fear 125 Desire 150 Anger 175 Pride Intellectual Seekers of Truth 200 Courage 250 Neutrality 310 Willingness 350 Acceptance 400 Reason Spiritual Masters 500 Love 540 Joy 600 Peace 700-1000 Enlightenment Is this a definitive list on where you or others are energetically? I don't believe that it is, but I do believe it is a reasonable reference list to knowing what the vibration is similar to. Can we quantify energy in this way in reality or not? Well, I am not a mathematician (sadly I add) and from what I understand everything in the universe can be explained mathematically. So, I use use this list more to get a mental picture of where someone is on the energy scale, and thus gain some appreciation as to why I feel the way I do when that energy is directed my way. I make a decision based upon this knowledge to not go into the logical emotional response to defend myself by returning the same force to them. That was the their goal, but when I don't respond likewise, it negates that energy. I guess it is emotional/spiritual Judo. I let them self destruct and simply rely upon my research and present that information from a place of level 500 and above. I am not always successful, but I always regret sinking into lower than 200. Disinfo people if left unchecked can destroy a thread or even a forum by creating great divisions amongst people who really are seeing truth and ultimately on the same side.