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Old 01-10-2009, 03:50 PM   #18
Czymra
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Default Re: Issue in Divine Beauty

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Originally Posted by asteram View Post
Czymra-

I didn't find your original post clear enough to say what focus you had. That's probably why the thread is going all over the place. I just read your first post again and I'm still not clear on what your topic or question are.

BTW: The point in my post and in Carmen's, I'm sure, is not cessation of hormonal activity. It is rising above or evolving beyond being controlled by hormones. Objectivity. Everything still goes along as usual physically, it's just that the body isn't running things anymore.
Rest assured that some things have been put in place for me, I thank you for that.
The original posting is not clear, because I am not sure what the issue is really about. I believe I have a backlog of 'actually sorted' issues that just have to come to awareness. I suppose it is all about finding that singularity beyond duality and the core of my dilemma was probably something like "How comes that humans can buy into the divine (beauty) to be abused for the evil (i.e. pornography)."
Now I don't have a problem with people having sex being filmed or watching that, but the mode of representation that typical pornography usually offers. I'm sure others can go in lengths about the meaning of all kinds of displayed 'rituals' but I'm sure my heart already tells me what is there for authenticity and what is there to 'corrupt'. My lack of understanding just sets in when you can see so many people craving for 'satisfaction' or exposure of all kinds of 'sexual acts' accompanied by the most willing persons (mostly women, and 'pretty' at that) in the most humiliating acts. And that's not even going into sadomasochism or fetish culture.

Understand that I am not concerned when people are aware of their wanting to live out domination and submission. I just find it disconcerting when these things enter what is being presented as 'usual' and how we are made to believe that it's a part of it.

Maybe I should open a thread on how mass media and pornography corrupts our perception of sex but I have the feeling it'll just get too explicit.

The problem is that the issue embarks on a question of morality or at least pseudo-morality. On another thread I already argued about 'perversion' but get the typical answer that there is no such thing and that all is one and that the 'bad' is in place for me to learn.
Fine, I can see that. I also believe that WE are held back as much by morality (don't cheat, don't hurt, be nice) as we are by notions like racism etc.

But something just isn't right. I feel there's a space in-between the issues I mentioned here that just isn't accounted for at all.

P.S.: It's funny you mention feminists. I won't argue with them but sometimes the "ALL IS ONE" attitude feels just the f***ing same. Sorry.

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