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Daria 11-17-2008 08:43 PM

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Such loveley beings, thank you.

Reader 11-17-2008 09:09 PM

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Morality does not largely differ between the two schools of thought.

I guess I'm just old fashion but .......Count me out.....................

Whitewolf 11-17-2008 09:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BeaTnik-BandiT (Post 81207)
Exactly. Satan and Lucifer are no more than manifestations (see Egregores)
of our own ineptitude to be conscious of our connection to the creation, the creator, God-mind, all that is, ...or whatever fits anyone's beliefs)

- Lucifer, being a manifestation of our rational ego, is 'incomplete' and bound to be trapped in it's own 'artificial' realms.
- Satan, is tied by it's propensity for 'materialistic pleasures', so case closed.

Up in the scale, we have the HEART. We 'feel' from it; - That is our connection - this is the KEY to Completeness.



Zelphael, if you make the choice of living your life with an exclusively 'rational' mindset and Glorify your knowledge, good for you,
and then you can be glad to call yourself 'a Luciferian'.

But don't be surprised to find yourself sooner or later in the same gang as the 'Dark Cabal' and it's bunch of A** H***S. :naughty:

Anyways, i question your intentions for setting up this thread. :cup:


salute.

Bang on. My thoughts exactly. The "lightbearer" brings the false light. Think of it metaphorically as a very bright lightbulb, rather than the sun itself. The talent of darkness is that it knows how to imitate the Light, and thus, try to fool others by it, claiming itself as the creator or "true light". But for those who are true of heart and spirit (not ego/intellect) they can see, or "smell" the falseness upon close inspection. The problem with darkness is that it still believes it can actually destroy or eclipse the true Light, that of the Creator. Darkness is clever, but it underestimates the strength and vitality of the Light.

Magamud 11-17-2008 09:25 PM

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Even with amnesia, constant propaganda, and a formed indoctrination with all the senses. The spirit still lives free and inherently knows the synthetic false light from the real thing. The awakening is growing exponentially and the matrix looses its grip on souls like sand through the fingers.

tone3jaguar 11-17-2008 10:33 PM

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FYI, Lucifer dowses up way on the negative polarity scale. That is all I need to know to not want to worship him.

capreycorn 11-17-2008 10:39 PM

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Scooby 11-17-2008 11:11 PM

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When he is bound and cast into the Pit of Darkness for a thousand years he will be the only source of Light for those that follow him and they will serve him as his Bitches to do his bidding and their spirits will burn but not melt because he comes from the darkness and their spirits do not( see the ice that burned from Mel's hole story) for this is the Hell that the bible speaks of but you may be thankful it is only a thousand years, for then you will be cast into the lake of fire with him where you will be extinguished forever with your glorious Light bringer. There are ancient writings (see books of Enoch, Torah, and Sumerian) that tell of the Sons of God shining quite brightly hence the name Nacash in the Hebrew which means, Serpent, light bringer. Yes he will give you light and you will serve at his pleasure then he will bring you eternal death. Most people don't understand that when the Bible says God's(Elohim) wrath burns against the earth, it's not mankind so much as Lucifer that tempted the Sons of God into destroying the Great Creators plan for Mankind that he is ****** at. When it comes down to it you can only worship one God. You can either worship the Creator or the creation. I think I'll stick with the Creator and if I live a stupid morons life here, impoverished because I refuse to take the mark or join in one of Lucifer's many secret societies so I may prosper I will be faithful and believe in the promise of what is to come after this extremely short span of time I have to endure Lucifer's rule here, if even unto death. Death is nothing compared to promise of eternal life with my heavenly PAPA. God's richest Blessings!!!(even to you luciferiens) :winksmiley02:

capreycorn 11-17-2008 11:26 PM

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Rebel4Life 11-18-2008 12:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by capreycorn (Post 81878)

:lmao:

Zelphael 11-18-2008 01:11 AM

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Thanks to all replies.

It's very clear from the words of many that my original post was not even read or understood correctly. That's fine. Lucifer as you think of it is far more real to you than it is to me.

I'm atheistic but spiritually minded. I don't believe in external god forces, I believe in myself and my own personal god force. Yes, labels are limiting, but I choose to use Lucifer because etymologically it is appropriate. The fear factor does its job in scaring off people not intelligent enough to truly grasp the ideas at hand.

Lucifer has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Christian satan. I tried to explain the name should have never, ever come to mean satan in the first place, yet people still think Lucifer = Satan. Not true. I'm not a satan worshipper, I worship nothing other than the divinity I see within myself and all of nature.
What true purpose is given to the act of worship? If one imagines an all encompassing God, of the sort that monotheists would have us believe, it can be seen that God is full of all the qualities that man wishes he could have for himself, full of divine power and knowledge. Man just cannot comprehend or accept that these things are not so alien to him that he must expel them from himself and onto an otherworldly being, when in fact these qualities are his destiny if only he would work towards them relentlessly and with full personal responsibility.

Man has always felt inferior to the god force in nature. He has deified both the best and worst of himself into an external "other" to which his adoration and attention is focused upon. But the only result of this has been a distortion of reality to suit the needs of man by way of a delusional projection into which man has been able to channel all his base needs, emotions and most forbidden desires into an "objective" absolute reality.

This whole endeavour has been utterly dishonest from the very beginning. Man has sought what truth may be said of the world around him and in doing so has crossed the line between distinguishable knowledge and elaborate speculation masquerading as truth. Why is he not honest with himself in recognising that he alone, and all of the forces that are within him, is all that can ever be personally verified?


A lot of people talked about the "heart" as being superior to the mind... What are you talking about? The heart does nothing but pump blood around the body to keep it alive. What you are referring to is a certain "sense" or collective thought processes which are... where? In the MIND. The "heart" as you speak of it is a part of the divine spark which is in the brain, the house of the mind. It's not literally in the heart, or the stomach, or anywhere else.

My reasons in posting this was to give people a different view of Luciferianism from all the pseudo-satanic babble that is spoused so often by conspiracists who are against the NWO. Luciferianism (provided it is not theistic) is not a bad or negative thing. It's a certain way of looking at the world and the self in a philosophical and aesthetically pleasing (to some) manner. That is all.

I'm a light-hearted person. I bear good will to others, provided I see in them a sense of self-responsibility in the way they conduct themselves in the world. Some people truly are bottomfeeders who do nothing for themselves or anybody else, society's parasites. I feel it is not a bad thing to have no compassion for such people, and have no guilt for not ecompassing them in altruism. We must all take responsibility for ourselves in this world and we all have the power to change how we interface with reality. That, to me, is Lucifer - but happily I agree it is impersonal, unnamed, and seen differently from person to person.

Love and light to one and all.

Dusty Nothing 11-18-2008 01:23 AM

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Wow this guys got a hell of alot of stick for simply posting his views....
I've met a few people who claim to be ''Luciferian'' before, and this guy really does have a good grasp on what it really is, and it's true that it can be very rewarding, but sure, at what cost?
I dabble in the occult from time to time (sorry fundamentalists), but anyone who participates is aware of the rule of three, which is what I don't understand about these satanists and black magicians, the rule of three is one of the most simple and easy to follow rules of the 'occult', yet so many are so quick to perform self-serving rituals and spells to harm others freewill, things like this will certainly damage you spiritually, mentally and sometimes even physically.
Nonetheless, I have done some things that some may consider to be negative or self-serving (but nothin' my spirit couldn't kill) and if one is willing to sacrifice certain things in order to 'better' themselves then so be it, as you harm none, do as you will.
Though the starter of this thread may be very good at explaining his/her beliefs I urge people to learn about the occult world before blindly worshipping Lucifer, I have met people who truly regret participating in such things, believing that it is too late for them to be saved (never too late) and that certain things have left their life, never to return. The people I'm talking of are only a very small minority, I still talk to people today who worship these 'gods' and still in their hearts believe they are doing the right thing, I don't believe it is a question of right or wrong. The path of dark magic is a very easy one to get into, but extremely difficult to leave. A debatable analogy of the subject would be that of different kinds of drug users, one type being those who choose to use certain drugs to better themselves creativley and spiritually, the other type being those who will do almost anything they can in order to escape this challenging (but necessery) reality. The end decision is on you, but don't be fooled into believing that Lucifer is the only way to better yourself, this is a complete lie. The path of light may seem distant and ineffective at times but I truly believe that this is the path to true spiritual enlightenment, Lucifer may seem like a very attractive personality at times (to me, anyway) but don't be fooled, in his eyes you are likely pawns.


But what do I know?...

Dusty Nothing 11-18-2008 01:28 AM

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Oh yeah, though I'm aware that people are talking about completely different things when we talk about 'Satan' and 'Lucifer', it should also be recognised that many also believe they are one and the same..... Satanus Luciferus

Zelphael 11-18-2008 01:31 AM

Re: Why I am gladly a Luciferian.
 
Dusty_Nothing,

There may be so-called "Luciferians" out there who are theistic and believe Lucifer is a real entity, and worship him... but this is as self-masturbatory and pointless as the mainstream monotheistic religions because these people are missing the point. Lucifer is self. It's not ego. Ego worship is just as false a trap, and I'd argue that's what LaVeyan Satanism is.

Magick, I see as a completely different topic and should be unrelated to philosophical Luciferianism. Dark magick is more the realm of Satanism than Luciferianism.

Dusty Nothing 11-18-2008 01:40 AM

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Hey man, yeah that was the general message I got from your post, I am in no way accusing you of such things, I've met people who use it as an ego thing and others who completely share your view on the subject, It's a very tricky one these days considering the ptb's alleged occult facination with satan, some Wiccans I've met face incredible amounts of criticism up to the point of being physically made to stop their rituals because of this satanic paranoia, it's ludicrous. I respect your beliefs and you seem to be very knowledgable with them, as you harm none.

Zelphael 11-18-2008 01:47 AM

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Thanks. I respect you and thank you for understanding.

Whatever works for each individual to become all that they can be. And helping others along the way would be an added bonus. :)

Take care.

tone3jaguar 11-18-2008 02:05 AM

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If you expand your consciousness and call out to Lucifer, then Lucifer is what you will get. That is the hidden power in all of us. Be careful which direction you point it in. He is a trickster on the grandest scale.

Zelphael 11-18-2008 02:06 AM

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How do you know who or what is Lucifer? Where are you getting this information from? Honestly. What are your sources?

tone3jaguar 11-18-2008 02:14 AM

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Lucifer, and the higher archangels and most of all of the mythological deities are actual beings that exist in the higher dimensions. If you treat them as though they are just ideas, it does not change that you are communicating with them.

I do not think that it is a matter of good and bad. The multiverse is designed to have different spiritual paths dependent on the universe you are in. They are actully functional parts of the learning curve we must all go through on our journey here.

That being said, we all have a choice as to which side to align ourselves to. Intentions pure or not, you call out to a negative omnipresent being and be careful what you get.

Esteban 11-18-2008 02:18 AM

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There's only one God in the universe and all others are deceivers because they call themselves gods.

371 11-18-2008 02:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BeaTnik-BandiT (Post 81207)
But don't be surprised to find yourself sooner or later in the same gang as the 'Dark Cabal' and it's bunch of A** H***S. :naughty:

I once worked with someone who was a satanist and he said the same thing. He left the church of Satan for exactly that reason -because it was "full of a**h***s".

His explanation was that satanists don't feel they should help anyone if they're too weak to help themselves, and that one of their prime rules is 'don't bother me and we're ok, harm me and I'll make you wish you were dead'.

He said that while he won't go out of his was to help a stranger- he won't be a 'jerk' about it (which I thought was kinda funny). Meaning he wouldn't go out of his way to either help OR harm someone. If it was someone he knew who was kind to him he'd offer assistance. If someone wasn't he'd laugh at them. 'Recipricosity' or something like that was a word he used a lot.

As far as I know he remains a satanist, I haven't seen him in years. BUT I GOTTA SAY- the guy was OK... As long as you lived by the golden rule with him you were good and he was great to get along with. It wasn't like anyone had to necessarily always be nice to him, as long as they was fair. I respected him while I didn't agree with his beliefs, he lived by his beliefs.

I saw him as a good person who happened to worship satan- which SEEMS strange but not really when you thing about it... This guy I worked with was a 'good' person as I knew him- religion or beliefs don't really matter to anyone other than the individual. If someone's 'good' or 'evil' it's all about how they interact with others and the world.

There are a lot of 'evil' christians, jews, etc. and 'good' luciferians/satanists. It's not about religion or belief. If you're a jerk then that's what you are, if you're nice then that's it. It's also a matter of perspective... but that's a whole other rant.

Gabe Gabriel 11-18-2008 02:38 AM

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Lucifer/Satan is indeed an archtypical mindset that we as humans have. This mindset is of course by necessity a "service to self" type of polarity as oppossed to say the "service to others" type of polarity, although the "service to self polarity" can help to serve "other" like minded social spirit/body/mind complexes like themselves and in this sense "serve" others.

It is still a negative service to self polarity.

A person can grow and progress spiritually by using this polarity but at some later point of growth, somewhere around the harvesting of sixth and seventh density beings you will automatically change your service to "service to others" polarity out of your "desire to continue to grow" and your desire of self preservation as an individual entity.

Also, every spiritual archtypical mindset also has third density manifestations be it of "positive" polarity or "negative" polarity which of course depends on your choice of which polarity you will serve.

This is where the "war in the heavens" gets it's begining from. If someone wants to deny that there is a struggle of "good and evil" because they believe it is "propaganda" from some church "rulers", then this ideaology will assist those that have chosen "service to self" or the "negative" polarity path of service.

The bottom line seems to be that we all come to enlightenment through one path or the other and the choice is ours.

In order to serve "self" you must serve "God" as you are God incarnate. In order to serve others you must serve "God" as you are God incarnate.

So both ways are correct until your "final approach" to becoming physically one again with the Creator/God at which time you will most likely change your polarity by your free will to a strictly service to others polarity for your own "self preservation".

It is an oxy-moron.

There is an actual being named Lucifer, and he has other titles as well, one of which is Satan.

Zelphael 11-18-2008 02:50 AM

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Again, I'd like to ask what sources people have for claiming Lucifer is a real being. Where are you getting this information from? Did you read it somewhere? Have you experienced this being personally? Or are you drawing upon your "collective knowledge" picked up through cultural connotations?

martina 11-18-2008 07:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by capreycorn (Post 81708)
can`t leave my comment on bill schnoebeleins video just like this, as it`s not very informative.
so I just want to put some little truths out:

--we have to be careful with looking for truth in the internet. we can`t find GOD or Jesus with a mouseclick!

--there`s a difference between a gipsy and occultism: a gipsy who uses tarot cards is not a occultist. but kids fooling around with a ouija board already practice occultism. "magicians" who smear their sperm on some crystal ball are occultists for sure.

--occult practices can have adverse side effects (mainly psychological delusions) like altered perceptions of reality (like a bad trip) but they have no power whatsoever in real life. should someone attempt an occult attack on you, and you can feel/sense it, all you need to ask yourself is:"what effect does that have in real life (reality)?" rather than: "what does that mean?" the answer is mostly: NO EFFECT! (and it means that someone else is in the p***! not you.) (the fact, that occult rituals need be performed to attack someone is already indication enough that "the force" is out of reach..either one has the ability to remote kill instantly with plain mind power or one can go back playing sigils and pokemon and go nutsoid.)

--from christian fundamentalist point of view, anybody who holds something else than ,christ and his crucifiction - to redeem our sins, as a core belief, is a satanist or antichrist. (sad but painfully true)

--before the middle age the name lucifer was also ascribed to/attribute of? jesus christ. later with reference to Isaiah 14;12: lucifer`s image changed to being the "highest" fallen angel.

--regarding the many accusations/claims on child sacrifice and child molesting,
the O.T.O., Thelemites, Satanists, etc....are to 99% innocent of such crimes (depending on who you believe: law enforcement or moneyhungry sensationalists) these cults pale in comparison to the pedophile christian priests, in short they are not more interesting than a "dark room" of some adult club on a weekend. :yikes:.
they might have sacrificed a few chicken and frogs..but far less than your average hunter shooting bambi in the forrest.

--Catholics and Thelemites are very much alike when it comes to being pious and having dogmas.

--examples of bad over-mystification: templar-christian? catholic-gnostic? (real gnosticism has nothing to do with christian teachings) religious-spirituallist? such definitions are nonsense

--there are more Mike Warnkes, Dyson Devines, Vivienne Legges, Bill Schnoebeleins, and other sensationalist finger pointers out there than occult-lodge-members.
the white and shining christian finger-pointers together with sensationalist media are doing more harm by spreading negativity and false images , than all occultist groups together. those "dark" crimes made to look like occult sacrifice are the deeds of "pseudo-satanist-wannabe-copycats" who watched tv too much.

--claims that freemasons are connected to other occult sects are wrong. freemasons are fine, clean and clear. many occult groups have due to lack of fantasy/imagination copied rituals, symbols and ideas from others.

--there`s no connection between satanists,thelemites, other occult lodges/ organisations and the ILLUMINATI..the reason why the less "serious" occult groups haven`t come forth yet to say "we`re not illuminati!" is because they enjoy the image boost. sure the illuminati find it amusing too.
(so let`s drop that fancy-fetish-image)

--there are also "serious" satanists out there. with the same "good intentions" as the christian church and the humbleness the catholics should have. (for any age ranging from kindergarten to expired...everybody`s welcome) (but I`m not interested ..)

i could go on and on..(who`s gonna read it anyway)..but i think this should do to explain my reaction to the "bill schnoebelein" video.:sweatdrop:
http://carlnet.no-ip.org/horror-movie-chicken.jpg
powered by PRK:wink2:


And Professor Walter J. Veith

among others:

Video Google: Total Onslaught -211B- The Secret Behind The Secret Societies.avi

capreycorn 11-18-2008 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martina (Post 82163)
And Professor Walter J. Veith

among others:

Video Google: Total Onslaught -211B- The Secret Behind The Secret Societies.avi

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p.../psalm27_1.jpg

:thumb_yello:warm greetings:original:

777 The Great Work 11-18-2008 12:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 81864)
When he is bound and cast into the Pit of Darkness for a thousand years he will be the only source of Light for those that follow him and they will serve him as his Bitches to do his bidding and their spirits will burn but not melt because he comes from the darkness and their spirits do not( see the ice that burned from Mel's hole story) for this is the Hell that the bible speaks of but you may be thankful it is only a thousand years, for then you will be cast into the lake of fire with him where you will be extinguished forever with your glorious Light bringer. There are ancient writings (see books of Enoch, Torah, and Sumerian) that tell of the Sons of God shining quite brightly hence the name Nacash in the Hebrew which means, Serpent, light bringer. Yes he will give you light and you will serve at his pleasure then he will bring you eternal death. Most people don't understand that when the Bible says God's(Elohim) wrath burns against the earth, it's not mankind so much as Lucifer that tempted the Sons of God into destroying the Great Creators plan for Mankind that he is ****** at. When it comes down to it you can only worship one God. You can either worship the Creator or the creation. I think I'll stick with the Creator and if I live a stupid morons life here, impoverished because I refuse to take the mark or join in one of Lucifer's many secret societies so I may prosper I will be faithful and believe in the promise of what is to come after this extremely short span of time I have to endure Lucifer's rule here, if even unto death. Death is nothing compared to promise of eternal life with my heavenly PAPA. God's richest Blessings!!!(even to you luciferiens) :winksmiley02:

:shocked:

capreycorn 11-18-2008 12:35 PM

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:thumb_yello:
http://blog.fatbusinessman.com/blog-...hirt-jesus.png
figuratively speaking...

capreycorn 11-18-2008 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martina (Post 82163)
And Professor Walter J. Veith

among others:

Video Google: Total Onslaught -211B- The Secret Behind The Secret Societies.avi



did I forget to say thanks for the interesting comment.? ..thank you!:thumb_yello:

saw all of it (1-10) and liked it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNRyluq4Il4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZFdTQxBdHI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlsnH...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OApm...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uisr...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtyM...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09qXW...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oayDI...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX0Go...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNfBl...eature=related


:original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-17N...eature=related
:original:

THE eXchanger 11-18-2008 05:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 82002)
There's only one God in the universe and all others are deceivers because they call themselves gods.

ohh my - that is quite a statement

there is a god
and, there is a lucifer

and, there is an imposter god

and, there is a goddess of lies

and, what if god, had parents

like a mother god / and, a father god

what then ...the real trinity was, a unified & united force of both of them

i think solving the lucifer puzzle

could provide us, all, with quite an interesting piece

the search for "real" truth is amaSing !!!

cheers/susan
the eXchanger

capreycorn 11-18-2008 10:49 PM

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oh yes
what a
confusing
mess

i wonder what words
igobetweenlords
would put here now
what would he know..
http://www.moorsgate.com/wp-content/...05/mastery.jpg

Whitewolf 11-18-2008 11:09 PM

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Whether Lucifer or Satan are real beings is likely unknown to most. However I know firsthand that there are indeed real dark entities that I personally describe as demons. I was faced with having to exorcise at least 1 from my personal space not long ago. Do these beings themselves worship or answer to an "almighty dark one" which could be labeled as Satan? I don't know...but I assume there is a hierarchy of dark spirits, the highest up being the most evil...whether or not it's the "Lucifer" or "Satan" as referred to in the Bible remains debatable. What I do know is that there are dark forces on the "other side" as well as Light forces. If you choose a life of "service to self" chances are you're going to attract the dark forces. If you choose a life of Goodness and "service to others" no doubt you'll attract and surround yourself with Light forces.

tone3jaguar 11-18-2008 11:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelphael (Post 82028)
Again, I'd like to ask what sources people have for claiming Lucifer is a real being. Where are you getting this information from? Did you read it somewhere? Have you experienced this being personally? Or are you drawing upon your "collective knowledge" picked up through cultural connotations?

I am shaman, I walk between worlds. They are real.

SoulSuspect 11-18-2008 11:19 PM

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The origin of Lucifer is from the bible right? So in being a Luciferian one ironically is basing there whole focus of belief from a christian book. lol

martina 11-19-2008 08:47 PM

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Hitler got visions of a bright overwhelming light, who named himself the Lord of the Nations. From this Light Hitler got his commands.

In this youtube Lucifer is called "Satan" and stands for the mind. These people thinks that having a mind makes man better than animals, well, everybody can see that this is not true. Its the mind that makes man wors than animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1ZZ...72BA1C&index=2

Zelphael 11-19-2008 09:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulSuspect (Post 82654)
The origin of Lucifer is from the bible right? So in being a Luciferian one ironically is basing there whole focus of belief from a christian book. lol

No, Lucifer was the roman name for the Morning Star which was the Greek Phospheros. Lucifer is not a real name used in the bible other than as a synonym for "Morning Star" to describe a fallen babylonian king and to talk about light in the morning. It wasn't even in the original texts, it was a translation of the hebrew word helel which means morning star also.


Those interested further in Luciferian ideas: Ordo Luciferi or my own articles at my Livejournal.

You Alone are worth knowing. Know thyself.

GoingToFast 11-19-2008 09:33 PM

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Lucifer has absolutely nothing to do with Satan or any kind of devil worship Lucem Ferre is the bringer of enlightenment, he brings knowledge and understanding.

Occult has nothing to do with black-magic the word means hidden or concealed.

Illuminati (Great White Brotherhood) is not an evil fraternity.

Bavarian-Illuminati (ashkenazi) is the imposter Illuminati who is pure evil.

tone3jaguar 11-20-2008 01:55 AM

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The reason they control so easiliy is that everyone thinks it is a fuzzy idea. Hitler was indeed involved heavily in the occult and the dark side of egyptian shamanism. The egyptians turns out had quite a knowledge of the negatively polarized dimensions and the beings that inhabit them.

Kelphi 11-20-2008 03:54 AM

Re: Why I am gladly a Luciferian.
 
Funny. The God of Bill Schnoebelen was obviously more powerful than Lucifer. Bill was able to leave the cult.

Ask any high ranking ex-occult person who Lucifer feared the most. They will tell you the name above all names. Christ Jesus the Lord. There is no other higher name in the universe than He.

Its funny how it takes so many words to explain that the name Lucifer is not really associated with evil. That is a hoot. I love it.

33 degree masons know exactly who and what the name Lucifer is.

You folks submit too easily to Zelphael as if your scared or something.

capreycorn 11-20-2008 07:51 AM

Re: Why I am gladly a Luciferian.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martina (Post 83307)
Hitler got visions of a bright overwhelming light, who named himself the Lord of the Nations. From this Light Hitler got his commands.

In this youtube Lucifer is called "Satan" and stands for the mind. These people thinks that having a mind makes man better than animals, well, everybody can see that this is not true. Its the mind that makes man wors than animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1ZZ...72BA1C&index=2


thanks for the interesting video.

what strikes me most is the statement that so far not a single great war has been started in the name of satan..it was always "for god".

-i never thought of it like that-

:thumb_yello:

martina 11-20-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Why I am gladly a Luciferian.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by capreycorn (Post 83645)
thanks for the interesting video.

what strikes me most is the statement that so far not a single great war has been started in the name of satan..it was always "for god".

-i never thought of it like that-

:thumb_yello:

Than may be you don't know that religions are made for us to think and feel in the wrong directions and also in subtle different directions. The Jesuits, for instance are in command not only of the Vatican, but also of the Nation of Islam and the private army "The Fruit of Islam" and not only the Roman Catholic church, but also Protestantism, etc. And the Jesuits are Satanists.
They are behind every war. They pay both sites.

There is a story, that the war between the good angels and the bad angels (Ets?) last for millions of years and at last they made a compromise, that the bad angels could "have us", if we choose so, out of free will.
Well, there you have all the temptations and illusions of being cared for, (our sheep mentality, religions, etc.)
So everything is done for "good" and not for evel.

capreycorn 11-20-2008 12:56 PM

Re: Why I am gladly a Luciferian.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martina (Post 83700)
Than may be you don't know that religions are made for us to think and feel in the wrong directions and also in subtle different directions. The Jesuits, for instance are in command not only of the Vatican, but also of the Nation of Islam and the private army "The Fruit of Islam" and not only the Roman Catholic church, but also Protestantism, etc. And the Jesuits are Satanists.
They are behind every war. They pay both sites.

There is a story, that the war between the good angels and the bad angels (Ets?) last for millions of years and at last they made a compromise, that the bad angels could "have us", if we choose so, out of free will.
Well, there you have all the temptations and illusions of being cared for, (our sheep mentality, religions, etc.)
So everything is done for "good" and not for evel.


i know little to nothing, really...but what you said is pretty much what i think.:thumb_yello:


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