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truthseekerdan 02-20-2010 02:16 AM

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I felt compelled to share a few thoughts on this thread. I know and I don't expect everyone that is reading this to agree with my experiences. My goal is to promote a global understanding of our composite nature. We are all different in our spiritual growth, yet we have a divine heritage that makes us all ONE. What I have understood from my experiences in consciousness is that we are the fragments of God, and can even better describe it as our Divine Parent.

There are countless ways that the spirit is guided to God/Source of singularity. It is like a river and its tributaries. God can create and re-create all life. The purpose of life is to produce evolution (including spiritual). The illusion of duality in which our physical reality is, can be closely compared to like oil and water. We all know as well that Love and greed do not mix. When humans unite with God via sincere personal faith they definitely will rise above the culture of religions.

Just as when husband-wife cooperate with one another so as to make their home heavenly in the same way when humans unite with God they become one with the divine (Christ like consciousness, etc). In that moment duality ceases to exist and Oneness takes place. However, for Oneness to happen one must not judge mentally (with the brain) since the human brain is known to be bipolar by nature (dual main lobes), but have a pure open heart.

As one of the prominent scientist that many on this forum might be familiar with, Nassim Haramein describes the human heart as the singularity point of the entire body. In other words just like a massive black hole at the center of a galaxy. The heart is the singularity point or center of the body where pure Divine Love can be expressed outwards from within, and those understanding the importance of soul advancement walk on this path.

The activities of God are very extraordinary and mysterious. God cannot be understood by our material apparatus. According to the great scientist Albert Einstein, Particle Physics is yet very crippled and lame. It cannot give us information of the cosmic divine power i.e. Creator/God. There is a cosmic consciousness that rules over our entire cosmos. This consciousness can be called the Creator, God, Brahman, all pervasive cosmic soul etc.

By stopping here, I hope that this post will be an opening eye at least for some on this forum. As long as we are not the slaves of our egos, and I take the liberty to mention another great thread on this forum The ego what is it? How to transcend? - we will be able to transcend duality and understand the greater Oneness, which is allowing God being manifested in human body (walking with God). Thank you all who read this post!
:original:

Love and light,

Dan

RedeZra 02-20-2010 04:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lisa (Post 239571)
Men made Gods in their own image.


why not

we can make ideas manifest

into form and function from fantasies


in the beginning

the building

is just a thought


some things are dreams only

like let's make metal fly

but now we have planes


perhaps the pantheon of gods

are phantoms of imagination


and like fallible human inventions

vanish when forgotten


but it does not explain

why we are here

for such a short span

under the sun


which still spins with the world

long after we're gone


maybe Man invented gods

while God created Man



not much can be said about God

like what we create knows little about us

but there are hints throughout history

and in the lives of everyone


remember the Light when we were real young

Humble Janitor 02-20-2010 08:18 AM

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[QUOTE=greybeard;240695]
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Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 240669)
Since when were moral values exclusively Christian? They exist in all cultures. Also, why should organized religion dictate what people do, what they say and how they react? People are still free to worship their god. They're still free to speak. Are they not satisfied unless 95% of the rest of the country is following their god?

Oh Humble Janitor.
If you read my posts you will not see me say any where that that moral values are exclusively Christian. One teacher said its good to be brought up in a religion bad to die in one. I am not repeat of any religion but I had a Scottish upbringing which is open minded reguarding all religions and none. The society was Christian and the ub bringing reflected that. I would have been just as happy born in to any society which had values and respect for me.
Yes its not the 1950s I grew up in the swinging 60s sex drugs and rock and roll.
Wasent into drugs cept alchol. Played in a rock band. We had respect for parents each other etc. there was an amazing a,mount of freedom. Authority has taken that away,
I agree that now there is a lot in authority now that is not worrhy of respect.
So actually in many ways we are in agreement.
The trouble with wighting on a forum is that you can be judged on a few words, the context of where I am and where you are is quite different from a few words.
In essence Im saying respect is necessary to have a free world.

Regards Chris

Understood.

As for respect, I may not care for cops or soldiers but I will not openly disrespect my parents/elders.

Thank you for the clarification.

greybeard 02-20-2010 08:32 AM

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Good morning all my new friends.
Freezing here but my heart is warmed by the people on this thread.
I agree with thruthseekerrdan and Frank
The catholic church in the process of investigating Padre Peo came to the conclusion that God is unknowable.
Padre Peo had the stigmata I think I am correct in saying that within hours of his death the wounds had gone the blood stained cloth remained. Padre Peo was beset with demons dark nights of the soul. I tend to think that is the power of the mind creating this illusion, though not denying there is a devil.

As a pre school child I was taken to church the first time since I was baptized. I lasted bout ten minutes and dragged my parents out. I was 4 or 5.
If God could crucify his son what would he do to a sinner like me. I was so wrong but how was I to know. Anyway the nightmares started.
It did not matter whether I was awake or asleep I saw chariots of fire, white angels dark angels fighting in the sky. Even with eyes open I saw these things.
I could have had no knowledge of this except past life stuff.
My parents were going to get child psychiatrist but after a week or two it stopped but I was left without the ability to visualize. God in His mercy took it away.

Anyway the earliest teachings by mystic say it is Indras dream. The cosmic dance, consciousness at play. Eckhat Tolle says " There was never anyone there to hurt you"
There is only one of us here, that is not my experience but I can see that it is possible.

Anyway the simple truth is I dont know, but I do believe those who are enlightened.
Ramana Maharshi said "The world you are trying to save dosnt even exist"
Hawkins says that in very short order we are going to see a very different world due to a change in perception.
The enlightened ones live in nonduality oneness and see and experience a different world from the one we see and experience. our world is dull by comparison, they see the luminosity Technicolor, the light of God shining out of everything. May we be in Christ consciousness soon.
Ultimate truth is that only God is, and we are aspects of That.
God does not change but our perception understanding of Him does.
He is Pure LOVE
So that is my understanding.
Not saying Im right.
With Love
Chris

beren 02-20-2010 11:11 AM

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Greybeard, you are right:original:

We rise, we fall. But only when we truly love ,we are children of our Father.
Amazingly in this thread we explored ideas and facts and beliefs.
Still amazingly even more is our spirit of curiosity which drag us further into who we are, where are we going and what is happening around us.

Sometimes when I am stuck in this 3d life ,I wander off in my mind...and as more I am wandering the more I hear that silent voice :" Love, love and then see what happens...".

Love
Justice
Wisdom
Power

All characters of our Heavenly Father.
All intermingled and interconnected.


Your love all and in order to be fair towards all, you have to be just. In order to be just you have to have insight in things, to be wise. And finally to circle all of this you have to have power.

All of them perfectly aligning in our Father and in us when we do reflect him.

As Frank said, Satan will have influence over us if and only IF we allow him.
He can eventually hurt us or kill us. But , hey, really can he kills us ?
If we are align with Almighty Creator , who is there to stand against us? Forever?

greybeard 02-20-2010 12:09 PM

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Think Beren has summed it up nicely.

Love Love Love and then see what happens.
It is not for us to know at this moment but to trust in our Heavenly Father.
With Love
Chris-- who ever he may be. Im dying to find out!!!!! :original:

Frank Samuel 02-20-2010 12:34 PM

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If you guys and gals will allow me I would like to talk about the subject of evil entities . We in manifesting this entity into this 3 dimensional reality have in many instances throughout history become 10x more evil than this entity itself. So just as we can become God like the opposite of that is also true. Again we create our own illusion and many souls who have not reincarnated have remain in a state of a hellish existence, these brothers and sisters have indeed become demonic like and are attracted by our negative thoughts and actions. Many people in this forum suspect that the original entity Lucifer has transcended beyond . But we in becoming slaves to this 3 dimensional reality have manifested this demonic entities as part of our illusion. Suffice to say that each one of us hold the key to liberate ourselves of this illusion and redirecting our brothers and sisters back into the light. Indeed we can create the Kingdom of God on Earth if we do away with the illusion of negative entities in our lives.
I thank you all for I think we are all here with the same purpose help this world to transcend and open our eyes to our True self and Dwelling place.
As you can see the spiritual teacher within each one of us is very much alive.
I embrace you all of you as my long lost brothers and sisters for we have travel beyond believes and have ascended straight into the Heart of God:thumb_yello::wub2::original:

aroundthetable 02-20-2010 12:42 PM

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Good day everyone, some really insightful philosophy going on here, reflecting that oneness in us all. All souls are equal under God, including within animals and plants. It is just the bodies are different, and the consciousness is suitable for that particular body. This valuable human incarnation gives us the oppotunity to now comprehend and discuss these matters.

If i may point to a few great observations people made without going into a long diatribe.

Frank..'we create hell as a dwelling place with our own consciousness' Yes, the mind can be our greatest enemy or greatest friend, there is also karmic reaction where we can indeed take birth on hellish planets, again that is created by our own actions. On illusion....This world and its inhabitants is of course real but it is illusion in that it is temporary, and we can forget that we are actually eternally fulll of bliss and knowledge, the illusion happens when we forget this.

Truthseeker - 'When humans unite with God via sincere personal faith they definately will rise above the culture of religions'

Here is a couple of texts from the Gita which relate to this point.

CH 18 Text 66

Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

Ch 12 Text 8

Just fix your mind upon me, the supreme personality of Godhead, and engage all your intelligence in Me. Thus you will live in me always, without a doubt.

However this does not mean getting rid of religious/spiritual culture, this is undesirable and indeed impossible given our nature. The religious/spiritual culture is infact a 24/7 party of celelbration and festival, of dancing, of shared feasts, of wonderful music and high intellectual debate and philosophy, all directed as a celebration of our unity under God.

I love Nassim Haramein, an absolute cutting edge scientist in its truest sense. It is predicted that one day science will prove to itself the existence of God and Nassim could well be the man do be part of that. :thumb_yello:


I offer my respects to you all :trumpet:

aroundthetable 02-20-2010 12:47 PM

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Respect also to humble janitor for returning and giving a refreshing response to a clarification. :thumb_yello:

greybeard 02-20-2010 01:00 PM

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Hi Frank there is equality here.
This is the first thread I have been on where I felt I could freely share what I believe to be so, hence I am posting frequently as I know there are like minded folk sharing here at great depth.

As regard to teaching Jesus was very humble "Of my self I do nothing, it is the Father within who is the doer"

While words that inform on Truth have a certain value they just act as carrier wave of Divine energy.
The "Grace of the Guru" is transmitted silently.
Every word thought and deed that comes through us by Divine inspiration, because of that energy, lifts the consciouness of all.
We dont have to physically teach if that is what we are called to do, though tht may be the case. Its not what we say but what we are becoming that is making the difference.
With Love
Chris

aroundthetable 02-20-2010 01:13 PM

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"Of my self I do nothing, it is the Father within who is the doer"

Jesus was/is such a wonderful personality and anyone who follows his teachings faithfully ( like Chris often says, its a very simple message and free from doubt) will certainly reach the ultimate destination.

Thanks for that Chris, and thankyou for your company...and Berren also for his very apparent devotion. :original:

As the spark cannot fully comprehend the fire, as a frog in a pond cannot comprehend the atlantic ocean, neither can the little soul fully comprehend God.
Therefore the process of acquiring knowledge in transcendental matters is of receiving that knowledge from the source, it cannot be demanded or realized by our efforts alone. This is something mainstream science is still coming to grips with as their experiments rely on deductive knowledge rather than inductive knowledge.

aroundthetable 02-20-2010 01:28 PM

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Mudra very kindly sent this vid, It kinda puts all the thoughts expressed here in musical form, Good music, good food, good books, flowers, candles, incense, simple living and high thinking, spiritual life is a very rich life without the need for running around to buy things we dont really need.


kriya 02-20-2010 01:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 241250)

As regard to teaching Jesus was very humble "Of my self I do nothing, it is the Father within who is the doer"

Thinking of God as the doer is a great spiritual truth and a sure way to obliterate the ego.

Give all your actions to God and see what happens :winksmiley02:

Love,

Kriya

Frank Samuel 02-20-2010 03:34 PM

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I hope that all here have a great day, I have gain incredible Divine inspiration from all of you. My path although a little different than yours reaches the same destination. The heart of the divine is within each and everyone of us . I am sure that we have walked as saints in past lifetimes,we have chosen to come here at this time to be a part of the shift in consciousness. Why not if we could do it here through this thread we could also manifest this reality of our true self into this 3 dimensional illusion. There are no coincidences each event in our lives has brought us to this point, the crossroads ,symbolic if you will of the many paths to reach the same destination.Have a great day !!!

Blessings to all....:thumb_yello:

greybeard 02-20-2010 10:32 PM

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Thanks for this Dan
I really enjoy the work of Nassin Haramein, dont understand it but get the essence.
Chris

Posted by Truthseekerdan
"As one of the prominent scientist that many on this forum might be familiar with, Nassim Haramein describes the human heart as the singularity point of the entire body. In other words just like a massive black hole at the center of a galaxy. The heart is the singularity point or center of the body where pure Divine Love can be expressed outwards from within, and those understanding the importance of soul advancement walk on this path.

The activities of God are very extraordinary and mysterious. God cannot be understood by our material apparatus. According to the great scientist Albert Einstein, Particle Physics is yet very crippled and lame. It cannot give us information of the cosmic divine power i.e. Creator/God. There is a cosmic consciousness that rules over our entire cosmos. This consciousness can be called the Creator, God, Brahman, all pervasive cosmic soul etc.

By stopping here, I hope that this post will be an opening eye at least for some on this forum. As long as we are not the slaves of our egos, and I take the liberty to mention another great thread on this forum The ego what is it? How to transcend? - we will be able to transcend duality and understand the greater Oneness, which is allowing God being manifested in human body (walking with God). Thank you all who read this post!

Love and light,

Dan "

truthseekerdan 02-20-2010 10:46 PM

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Today's inspirational verse:

Matthew 7:13 (New International Version)

The Narrow and Wide Gates

13. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

14. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-cont...eaven-gate.jpg

beren 02-20-2010 11:02 PM

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Truthseekerdan, that was one nice gem!

Here`s another:

Proverbs 15:2,3,4

2 The tongue of the wise commends knowledge,
but the mouth of the fool gushes folly.

3 The eyes of the LORD are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.

4 The tongue that brings healing is a tree of life,
but a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.

beren 02-20-2010 11:09 PM

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Well now is my turn after Frank brought good question; I want to broad this last verse from previous reply; namely ,
The tongue that brings healing is a tree of life,
but a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.

What ,according to this, is a tree of life?
Personally I think it is some tree which has its own fruits of unknown to us substances which nourish perfectly as we can never imagine or our science to grasp about.

Other thing that comes into my mind is first line in verse-tongue that brings healing-

Think about it, first the thought is formed along with emotion in our mind and heart. Then that vibration transforms into words that we say.

In our power lies healing or destruction.
Let us choose wisely.




Frank Samuel 02-21-2010 02:41 AM

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I hope my questions have inspire you for that has been my reasoning to post them. I will mention that the gates of Heaven are open to all . God never closes that gate. It is only us that close the gate on ourselves.The heart holds the key to understanding the true nature of God, it is there where your answers are found. This is the simplicity yet the power that is within each and every one of us. In the cosmic realm are many Holy books written through billions of years of souls seeking a reconnection to the origin of all things. History for each of us is a continuous repetition, sometimes we take one step forward and two steps backwards while other times we take one step back and three steps forward. In many ways we are the masters and slaves of our own illusions of self . The end of times comes to us in each lifetime beginning anew in another. Humility is essential in the discovery of our true self. Since we are all equal in the eyes of God for me that means that I have no value as an individual unless I am connected to the whole . There's no self without the inclusion of all. Mandela and Desmond Tutu are the perfect examples of that by forgiving their oppressors, they could have easily condemned them yet they did not, they where embrace, their enemies became dear friends. This act of love and forgiveness has shown how we are evolving as spiritual beings on this planet and YES there's hope for the inhabitants of this world. Indeed my friends we are all our brother's keeper:thumb_yello::wub2::cup:

aroundthetable 02-21-2010 11:16 AM

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The difference between spritual progress and material progress.

Material progress for the individual soul is temporary and ends at the death of the body.

Spiritual progress is permanent and does not die when the body dies.

Krishna says in this regard that he maintains what we have and he carries what we lack and that just a little bit of progress on this path can save one from the greatest dangers.

aroundthetable 02-21-2010 11:27 PM

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Is it a desirable thing to cast aside our teachers? Is it a good train of thought to be 'above' them? Would a Christian discard Christ? Would a child discard its parents? I feel we should love and respect our teachers through the ages, and that to feel above them would actually be a fall down.

Any thoughts my friends?

greybeard 02-21-2010 11:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aroundthetable (Post 241857)
Is it a desirable thing to cast aside our teachers? Is it a good train of thought to be 'above' them? Would a Christian discard Christ? Would a child discard its parents? I feel we should love and respect our teachers through the ages, and that to feel above them would actually be a fall down.

Any thoughts my friends?

Hello my friend.
Its a very good question.
I can only guess at an answer.
I still have main input from Dr Hawkins videos and books, some I have read 5 times.
Always fresh always new.
Paradoxes are the norm in spiritual teaching.
On the one hand you have "The Grace of the Guru" on the other the advice to throw away the books at a certain point..
Part of the difficulty for me is that the enlightened speak in hindsight.
Ramana was in his teens when he imagined what it would be like to die and the ego did just that and left him speechless in a state of bliss for years.
Eckhart Tolle had the thought "I can no longer live with myself followed by, is there two of me" on contemplating that a few moments of fear then when he awoke the world was completely differnt in his perception, the mind silent.
Dr Hawkins in the depth of despair called out "If there is a God I ask him for help" moments of fear then some time latter when he came too he experienced the world totally differently. In each case it seems enlightenment was entirely the work of God.
Ramesh said. "God gave you the ego let Him remove it"

In each case the enlightenment matured, a period of being able to function in the world then withdrawal from the world in a state of bliss for some years, then some return to teach.
All we can do is our best to remove the obstacles to enlightenment and trust God to do the rest.

I dont think the Guru/teaching should be cast aside but always respected, he may say its time for you to go. Your inner self may know when its time.
The paradox is belief system must be let go of, the thought that you are dependent on a teaching or teacher must be let go of too
Sorry for the long answer.
Chris

Chris

aroundthetable 02-22-2010 12:25 AM

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Thankyou for response Chris,

i know of no teaching that says cast aside the bible or the koran or the bhagavad gita. God teaches through these books and the knowledge is carried through the ages by various spiritual masters. These books will never be out of fashion for they teach a way of life we all recognise inside. We also know how to recognise bogus gurus and charlatons through these books in that if a teacher does not practice what is stated they should not be accepted as an authority on these matters.

Your friend,

att :original:

Frank Samuel 02-22-2010 12:57 AM

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You are right all Holy Books are tools to guide us in our spiritual path. This is only one way to reach the same destination. The problem throughout History that has divided us is that we bashed people in the head with our Holy books as the way. If you do not follow what this Holy Book says you will never reach Nirvana or the Kingdom of Heaven. This for me is a terrible mistake that has kept man of faith divided instead of united. So many wars so much suffering all in the name of God.
We become so blinded by our believes that we fail to see God in the heart of those that do not follow any type of religion. A good example of that is the native tribes all around the world, many are close to God by creating a personal connection without the need to read a Holy Book or be a part of a particular religion. The destination to the Heart of God is simple is only us that make it complicated. Love and Blessings to all..:thumb_yello::original::wub2:

greybeard 02-22-2010 01:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aroundthetable (Post 241857)
Is it a desirable thing to cast aside our teachers? Is it a good train of thought to be 'above' them? Would a Christian discard Christ? Would a child discard its parents? I feel we should love and respect our teachers through the ages, and that to feel above them would actually be a fall down.

Any thoughts my friends?

Part two of my answer.
The Buddha said put no head above your own.

I personally would not consider myself to be above or better than anyone, and certainly not spiritual greats, who have done so much for the world.
To feel above would be egoic lacking in humility -- pride comes before a fall.

Christ said, cant remember exactly but along the lines of this "You can do this and even more." Such was his humility.
Christ pointed to the Father our Creator at all times, I dont think he wanted a religion set up in his name, he was totally for God. The Father and I are One.
However Christ is the Savior and if asked will intercede on your behalf at the gates of heaven.

Hawkins says devotion due only to God but love and respect all others.

Ramesh Balsekar the Advaita teacher whom I met had a picture of Ramana who he said was the Guru's Guru even though Nasargadatta was his teacher.

Its not that any of the Holy Books you mention should be cast aside for they are eternal in Tuth just the teachers books set aside, they can allways be picked up again if necessary.
Group identity can be formed too, Im a Hawkins follower, Im an Eckhart follower, im a this Im a that, all spiritual ego. Even identifying with a major religion like Buddism, Its almost like saying my way is better, I know.

Its between me and God no one else, no religion not even a teacher.

Otherwise
Basically I am in agreement with you underthetable.

I would however point out that the success rate, enlightenment, of following any teaching is not high perhaps because an atachment can be formed to the teacher and teaching. This creates a duality and then the Father and I are not One.

Its subtle but there you have my feeling on it.

My last thought is that it would be ok if I never read another word on spirituality.
There is a difference in knowing about it and being it.
The teaching is so deeply ingrained, its like living the prayer, the depth will mature but its solid after thirty five years of reading, practicing, failing, getting up again., im in it for life.
I am in God's hands, He is in my heart.

Thanks again for the thread aroundthetable.
With love and respect
Chris

greybeard 02-22-2010 02:23 AM

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CH 18 Text 66

Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

Ch 12 Text 8

Just fix your mind upon me, the supreme personality of Godhead, and engage all your intelligence in Me. Thus you will live in me always, without a doubt.

Dear roundthetable
another answer came to me, Im not saying im right---far from it, but I would like debate on this.
I think the answer to your question lies in what you posted earlier and I have pasted above.

If we can but believe that we are one with God, that enlightenment is what remains when all that is not God is removed. Then the aswer may be in this question.
Does God need, a teaching, a religion to know that He is?


Ramana said.
Use the thorn to remove the thorn then throw both away.
A time for books a time for teachers and then????
Chris
Namaste

truthseekerdan 02-22-2010 03:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aroundthetable (Post 241857)
Is it a desirable thing to cast aside our teachers? Is it a good train of thought to be 'above' them? Would a Christian discard Christ? Would a child discard its parents? I feel we should love and respect our teachers through the ages, and that to feel above them would actually be a fall down.

Any thoughts my friends?

aroundthetable:

My friend, just to clarify your Q.; a more correct one will be: Would a christian discard Jesus?
What I mean is that Jesus did not have his last name Christ.
However, He (not ego) became Christ which means His physical body reflected God, (Creator embodied in human flesh).
We all on the path of spirituality should pursue Christhood. Please read the following quote, hope it will help you understand. :original:

Quote:

When Jesus said "no man cometh to the father but by me" he did not refer to his historical person, nor to an exclusivist religion that claims to represent him. He was referring directly to a state of consciousness that we might call higher consciousness, enlightenment, cosmic consciousness or the Christ consciousness.

This universal state of consciousness is what the Gospel of John refers to as the Word, but the correct translation is the LOGOS. This Logos is the basic state of consciousness that God created before God started to create the world of form. Therefore, everything is created out of the Christ consciousness. The purpose of the Christ consciousness is to ensure oneness between the Creator and its creation.

God had planned to create self-aware extensions of itself human beings are some of them and give them free will. God knew that this made it possible for us to descend into a state of consciousness in which we could forget our origin as extensions of God's own Being. We could come to see ourselves as separated from an external God instead of seeing God within ourselves.
Love and light,

Dan

truth and integrity 02-22-2010 05:29 AM

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Originally posted bytruthseekerdan
Some parts of the today's Bible are deliberately manipulated (changed), and some also poorly translated. However, some parts fortunately still unchanged.
I was curious about it and I did some research. I was shocked that they started as you said deliberate manipulation almost 200 years ago and they are still doing it today.

Quote:

That's why when reading the Bible, in order to understand it properly one has to be a bit more spiritually grown up.
It is so true. It took me many years to seek enlightenment through eastern spiritual philosophy, from Buddhism, Raja Yoga, to Chakras. I have never read The Bible until recently. There is such a deep wisdom. :original:

truthseekerdan 02-22-2010 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by truth and integrity (Post 241978)
I was curious about it and I did some research. I was shocked that they started as you said deliberate manipulation almost 200 years ago and they are still doing it today.



It is so true. It took me many years to seek enlightenment through eastern spiritual philosophy, from Buddhism, Raja Yoga, to Chakras. I have never read The Bible until recently. There is such a deep wisdom. :original:

I'm glad and happy that you realized that my friend.
Please feel free to share your knowledge on this thread. :thumb_yello:

Love and light,

Dan

truth and integrity 02-22-2010 05:46 AM

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I am so glad that there are here people like you.:thumb_yello: It is not so trendy any more to talk about the Bible in this New Age Movement Era. :naughty:

truthseekerdan 02-22-2010 07:35 AM

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Inspirational verse of the day:

Matthew 18:3 (New International Version)

3. And he (Jesus) said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven".

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With Love,

Dan

greybeard 02-22-2010 09:05 AM

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Good morning One and all.
Spiritual is a bit like down the rabbit hole.
The further you go the more you discover to keep or put aside.
Ultimate Truth. Only God Is.
However that is not helpful to where we are at the moment.
There is no ego just a bundle of thoughts claiming to be I.
Thats not helpful to begin with.

Without being judgmental its surprises me that at least some Christians dont know the history of the Bible. Its first big alteration was at the Council of Nancia around about 400AC. I have the essence not the detail.
Books of the original bible were dropped, Revelations was brought in.
All reference to past life was dropped except one about John the Baptist.

I therfore place my faith in the word of those here and now who are enlightened including those of recent history ie Ramana, Nasargadatta, Yogananda who's words were faithfully coppied and put in book while they were still alive.
Who knows for sure what was said thousands of years ago, though the essence remains.

Of all, without exception, that I have read, Dr David Hawkins gives the most detailed information on the path to enlightenment and what the state of enlightenment is from an experiential position. Not written by followers, not written after death, written by him.

Web site
http://www.veritaspub.com/

His life history can be found on the site.
We tend to think if some one is of our time and place ( a prophet in his own country etc) then the teaching cant be as valid as one from India, Nepal or another century. Need that be so?
Enlightenment is enlightenment.
Enlightenment is to be in Christ consciousness.
Namaste
Chris

Frank Samuel 02-22-2010 10:04 AM

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Greybeard my friend at one point in my life I had an amazing collection of books, proud to consider myself an educated man. A scholar of the Bible and other Holy Books, often I sat all night with friends and debate with them about them. Now an old foggie of 52 I realize my foolish pride was my motivation. In the last 4 yrs. of my life I have learn so much about my spiritual connection to God and I have not read a single book. Think about this for a moment in the library of our collective conscious are millions of Holy books you could access . There's many secrets yet to be uncover about our spirituality. My book shelf came down and I started from zero relearning everything I thought I once knew. How do you think these Holy Books where written in the first place ? There's many authors just in one chapter in the Bible, who dictated to them what to write and how did they come across this information ? I am smiling as I write this . Our vision becomes so narrow we often missed the whole point of our connection to God, knowledge is endless, it is infinite yet it is very simple to access. You often refer to it as Faith . As you know I am respectful of everyone ones belief because they are bits and pieces of the truth. Ah but our learning and understanding lies beyond books straight if you will into the Heart of God. :thumb_yello::wub2:

aroundthetable 02-22-2010 10:20 AM

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Wonderful answers all and welcome to truth and integrity ( literally!)

Thanks for pointing out the difference between Christ and Jesus Truthseeker, i am not too familiar with the fine details of Christianity in that way. Krishna says

'It is better to perform your own duties even faultily, than to perform someone elses duties perfectly, for that way lies madness.'


Another good point is that cultures like the north american indians, eskimos etc etc etc, also have there way of finding God and yes of course they do this without spiritual books. They do however use symbols, prayers, pictures, dancing etc and maintain a deep oral tradition, which if they commited to books would not render them invalid.

In regards to Teachers. A Bona Fide teacher considers themselves a servant of God, and his or her teacher also think in that way ( at least in the Vedic tradition of Vaishnavism) i am also a servant...so in this way we are the servant of the servant of the servant and so on. And Frank, yes, it is not a good idea to bash somebody with a holy book!!

Thankyou all for your words,

your humble servant,

att

greybeard 02-22-2010 10:33 AM

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Of course you are right my friend Frank.
The advice given me was. " If the goal is enlightenment then spend time with those who are in that state, in person if possible or via book" On questioning why the importance of being with a Sage/Mystic it was explained that the high spiritual energy of the Sage attaches to the auric field of the student and there is then an activation of kundalini spiritual energy/holyspirit within, traditionally called "The Grace of the Guru" (words can only point to truth).
The Self of the student is the same as the Self of the teacher.
So its down to spiritual energy rather than words though the books/words contain degrees of spiritual energy.
I was drawn to spend time on several ashrams, attend talks given by Eckhart Tolle, every spare penny I had was spent on the quest for Truth. That was necessary for me but not necessarily so for others.
I still read because of the uplifting energy.
Like you my book shelf is virtually empty, they served their purpose.
The mind is virtually silent.
While it seems the story is about me and my experiences I dont think I had a choice, Once one is committed to finding God within then spiritual intention leads to a synchronism thats leads one where one needs to be.
With love
Chris

Frank Samuel 02-22-2010 10:40 AM

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I love the term servant because that implies humility. I too consider myself a servant. The flip side of that is that it is a term by which others in the name of God have enslave millions upon millions of people. We have created governments that instead of serving the people are exploiting them. Holy Books are powerful weapons. The recent movie, " The Book of Eli ", is a perfect example of that. I am inspire by you aroundthetable , I only wish to point out that knowledge is a two edge sword that indeed has to be use with humility and with the heart of a servant. Thank you for your words of wisdom for they ring ever so true in my Heart. :thumb_yello::wub2:

aroundthetable 02-22-2010 10:46 AM

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Krishna states, always remember me with love and devotion and surely you will come to me, of this there is no doubt.

Heres to remembrance fellow souls x

Frank Samuel 02-22-2010 10:48 AM

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Greybeard, Aroundthetable and everyone who is reading this thread a warm hug and kiss for you are all my dear friends, I am humble by your wisdom and love.
My children and daily chores are calling me so if you please excuse me time to put our words of wisdom into action.

Have a great day everyone.

Blessings to all...:thumb_yello::wub2:

greybeard 02-22-2010 10:53 AM

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Hawkins quote.
Eventually the only prayer that is left is "How may I serve you beloved God"
He is in 80s and still in active service.

While I speak mainly of him that is a personal preference at this moment and is no way saying that the teaching coming through him is superior in any way.
He has developed a map of consciousness and calibrated holy books.
The Bhagavad Gita calibrates extremely high and that is one of the most ancient texts,
God unfashionable, that is a joke.
Namaste
Chris

aroundthetable 02-22-2010 11:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel (Post 242054)
Greybeard, Aroundthetable and everyone who is reading this thread a warm hug and kiss for you are all my dear friends, I am humble by your wisdom and love.
My children and daily chores are calling me so if you please excuse me time to put our words of wisdom into action.

Have a great day everyone.

Blessings to all...:thumb_yello::wub2:

AWW thankyou Frank...made my heart glow :original: GROUP HUG!!!!


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