This is the UFO my kids and I saw
 

This is footage taken in Germany, we are in Michigan, but this is what we also saw, except when we saw it it was shaped more oval/rectanglish....cool!

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ft99NFxZPN0

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My husband saw an amber colored one like that--it was huge--it was no lantern, for sure!

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Arcora if you are trying to represent discernment then just go and say it.

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Sorry, but you have absolutely no authority to tell people if what they have seen is real or not. You're entitled to your opinion, but to dismiss someone else's sighting is unacceptable.

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Arcora, try following these guidelines. If you have a point to make, it might come through more clearly.


The 10 Signs of Intellectual Honesty
October 20th, 2008 by Mike Gene



When it comes to just about any topic, it seems as if the public discourse on the internet is dominated by rhetoric and propaganda. People are either selling products or ideology. In fact, just because someone may come across as calm and knowledgeable does not mean you should let your guard down and trust what they say. What you need to look for is a track record of intellectual honesty. Let me therefore propose 10 signs of intellectual honesty.


1. Do not overstate the power of your argument. One’s sense of conviction should be in proportion to the level of clear evidence assessable by most. If someone portrays their opponents as being either stupid or dishonest for disagreeing, intellectual dishonesty is probably in play. Intellectual honesty is most often associated with humility, not arrogance.

2. Show a willingness to publicly acknowledge that reasonable alternative viewpoints exist. The alternative views do not have to be treated as equally valid or powerful, but rarely is it the case that one and only one viewpoint has a complete monopoly on reason and evidence.

3. Be willing to publicly acknowledge and question one’s own assumptions and biases. All of us rely on assumptions when applying our world view to make sense of the data about the world. And all of us bring various biases to the table.

4. Be willing to publicly acknowledge where your argument is weak. Almost all arguments have weak spots, but those who are trying to sell an ideology will have great difficulty with this point and would rather obscure or downplay any weak points.

5. Be willing to publicly acknowledge when you are wrong. Those selling an ideology likewise have great difficulty admitting to being wrong, as this undercuts the rhetoric and image that is being sold. You get small points for admitting to being wrong on trivial matters and big points for admitting to being wrong on substantive points. You lose big points for failing to admit being wrong on something trivial.

6. Demonstrate consistency. A clear sign of intellectual dishonesty is when someone extensively relies on double standards. Typically, an excessively high standard is applied to the perceived opponent(s), while a very low standard is applied to the ideologues’ allies.

7. Address the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument. Ad hominem arguments are a clear sign of intellectual dishonesty. However, often times, the dishonesty is more subtle. For example, someone might make a token effort at debunking an argument and then turn significant attention to the person making the argument, relying on stereotypes, guilt-by-association, and innocent-sounding gotcha questions.

8. When addressing an argument, do not misrepresent it. A common tactic of the intellectually dishonest is to portray their opponent’s argument in straw man terms. In politics, this is called spin. Typically, such tactics eschew quoting the person in context, but instead rely heavily on out-of-context quotes, paraphrasing and impression. When addressing an argument, one should shows signs of having made a serious effort to first understand the argument and then accurately represent it in its strongest form.

9. Show a commitment to critical thinking. ‘Nuff said.

10. Be willing to publicly acknowledge when a point or criticism is good. If someone is unable or unwilling to admit when their opponent raises a good point or makes a good criticism, it demonstrates an unwillingness to participate in the give-and-take that characterizes an honest exchange.

While no one is perfect, and even those who strive for intellectual honesty can have a bad day, simply be on the look out for how many and how often these criteria apply to someone. In the arena of public discourse, it is not intelligence or knowledge that matters most – it is whether you can trust the intelligence or knowledge of another. After all, intelligence and knowledge can sometimes be the best tools of an intellectually dishonest approach.


http://www.thedesignmatrix.com/conte...ctual-honesty/

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:wub2:

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Nice, nice... you're getting along just fine.

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acora you are the type of a** that would get kicked out of any group if their ever was a survival situation...

what way is the lady spinning...

looks clockwise to me

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Cool Theresa!, wish I could've seen it also, arcora, kiss my butt! Enough of your blind in one eye and can't see out of the other attitude! oops, sorry, I'm supposed to be nice, kiss my butt please. LOL

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I watched the dancer for a while and she moves both ways.

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For all those wondering if people interested in learning and discernment would post such rubbish as "UFOs are chinese paper lanterns"


http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/s...nfo.html#eight






Arcora wrote :
>The fact is that the mind plays tricks and it sees what it wants to see. Thinking or hoping a lantern is a UFO doesn't make it so. We have to be on guard for our own minds if we are to advance into real truth. We are our own greatest deceivers which is the point I was trying to make by posting the dancer image.> [/QUOTE]

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Im struggling to see the clockwise point of view.

Its all counterclockwise to me. Any clues?

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to be honest i was enjoying the arguement, very constructive
i wouldn't throw you out of our group arcora, pretty lame to throw someone out a group for expressing discernment....

I thought the vid was pretty cool though

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Yep, I read what you wrote the 1st time.

I can never see how this could possibly be viewed as going clockwise. I thought it was an image that with a bit of studying could be seen going both ways, like the young woman/old woman image but nope I cant see it

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If your having trouble, close your eyes and look at it again. It will change directions.

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This is very interesting...I didn't watch it for long, but only saw it clockwise. No big surprise there.

Thank you Acora for posting this, although I still disagree with you about the UFOs.

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that thing is crazy... it was blowing my mind for a minute...

I could only see it clockwise... then I focused on the outer foot and the outer hand.. suddenly it just started going clockwise...

haha... crazy!!