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Norval 09-11-2008 04:26 PM

Spirituality or Knowledge
 
Spirituality or Knowledge

Wiki statement on Spirituality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality

Wiki statement on Knowledge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge

Personally, I think I am more knowledgeable than I am spiritual. :wink2:

Maybe this should be a poll?

So, are you more spiritual, or would you say of yourself that you are more
knowledgeable? :welcomeani:

P4BL0 09-11-2008 10:29 PM

Spirituality or Knowledge
 
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Zelphael 09-11-2008 10:37 PM

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Unfortunately, I think I am more knowledgable than spiritual.

I am a typical occult scholar up in his ivory tower - I read and understand many things, yet have yet to leave my tower and walk The Path.

I hope to, when I find the right way, some how...

Cookie 09-12-2008 01:30 AM

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IMO, a person can be knowledgeable in mundane matters and knowledgeable in spiritual matters... knowledge of mundane things is acquired by reading, the news..etc. Spiritual knowledge (Wisdom) is acquired by accessing your higher self, guides, and researching too. When spiritual knowledge resonates as a 'truth', it becomes Wisdom... I hope I'm making sense!

Anywho, I'd like to think that I have both..Knowledge of the mundane and Knowledge of Spirit! {8^o

shortyz504 09-12-2008 05:15 AM

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It seems that one day will be an extreme day of "knowledge", in which my mind will not slow down and only wants to acquire new information.

Yet other days feels extremely "spiritual" and nothing pleases me more than sitting on the grass next to a pond or a river, smellings the aroma of flowers and trees, hearing all the bugs calling out to each other, feeling the warm sun around me.

Sometimes these days come so unexpectedly I feel guilty for I did nothing to deserve such experiences. Days like these are what balances the heavy load of having "Knowledge Seeking" days, for its not easy to seek solutions to problems that no one around you really cares to burdern themselves with.

In this moment, it would seem that I could be called a Knowledge Seeker, who at times forgets/remembers the Spiritual Journey. The wisdom to unite both aspect harmoniously seems to be a lesson coming up in my path.

Each day it becomes clearer that it does little good to possess knowledge if it cannot be used to serve others in a positive way. One challenge I face is overcoming personal fear of the Unknown, in order to communicate peacefully the worldly truths learned over this past year.

Maybe I am not alone in this crossroad of spiritual adventures, and if not let me hear some advice as to encourage some thoughts of Hope and Love.


Stay classy Project Avalon

Softy1107 09-12-2008 07:31 AM

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im having trouble seeing this as two seperate things...
u gain knowledge from spirituality,
and u gain spirituality from knowledge... both are closely intertwined
but, i consider myself more spiritual,
so i best go quest for knowledge :sweatdrop:

HUMANCARGO 09-12-2008 07:38 AM

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knowledge is the road, concoiusness is the place

HUMANCARGO 09-12-2008 07:39 AM

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as seen in a mirror

HUMANCARGO 09-12-2008 07:40 AM

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within a mirror.....forever

HUMANCARGO 09-12-2008 07:40 AM

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i know this

HUMANCARGO 09-12-2008 07:41 AM

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deep in my perception

shortyz504 09-12-2008 08:00 AM

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could you elaborate on your perceptions?

could say something to resonate with the vibrations of Light and Love?

it always feels good to share

AMA-GI 09-12-2008 09:38 AM

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One is to cultivate the seven factors of enlightenment: mindfulness, investigation into phenomena, energy, bliss, tranquillity, concentration, and equanimity:original:

arcora 09-12-2008 12:07 PM

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There are things people know and are knowledgable about which don't come from school or books. This knowledge comes from spirit. Spiritualism allows one to recognize and interpret this knowledge.

Perhaps the cosmic conciousness is more of a cosmic library.

shortyz504 09-12-2008 03:23 PM

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i seem to struggle with cultivating energy. there are a lot of days that i feel drained all day. any suggestions?

arcora 09-12-2008 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shortyz504 (Post 8737)
i seem to struggle with cultivating energy. there are a lot of days that i feel drained all day. any suggestions?

Energy isn't cultivated. It is readily available to you at all times and is infinite. You need only ask for it.

Simply intend for it to enter you and fill you. It helps to visualize it coming down from the cosmos and filling your body.

NorCal Avenger 09-12-2008 04:59 PM

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It's very beautiful to me how this forum is bringing people together.

it seems that the physical and the spiritual are separate, but it is not true. What we call spiritual reality is really our faculty to experience the layers of reality that permeate and underlie the physical.

our experiences in meditation of sound, light and vibration are also believed to be (in quantum physics) the stuff that matter is made of...but in spirituality, we realize what may be the deepest level (consciousness) which is animating even those things.

that's my 2 cents, paid in full. :)

Norval 09-12-2008 10:14 PM

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Well, it seemed like a good question at the time.

The more I learn the more I realize that I rely on my physical senses for knowledge.

Good responses, thank you for the input. Any other ideas about knowledge compared with spiritual understandings?

OceanWinds 09-12-2008 10:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shortyz504 (Post 8737)
i seem to struggle with cultivating energy. there are a lot of days that i feel drained all day. any suggestions?

Thank God for making you feel better, and full of energy. I do it all the time, and it has yet to fail. The only problem is that you have to remember to do it when your feeling down... lol. Learned this one from good ol Dr. Wayne Dyer. It used to take a couple hours to take effect, now it happens in about 30 minutes... dont know why though.

I find what happens to me is that I might do something that brings me out of the light, and then I get stuck there. And after I ask for energy and to feel good, I also release what ever I am clinging to... cause I find it just leads to another dark thought. Learned this one from good ol Ekhart.

But there are a million things you can do... I know a few of them, or atleast a few that work for me.

shortyz504 09-13-2008 01:15 AM

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It becomes apparent to me as each day passes that my spiritual journey has started to speed up, which requires more intention and more maturity. The process seems to be more challenging today than ever before, yet it does not scare me as much as I thought it would.

Everywhere the Universe keeps nudging me in a certain direction, while providing abundant advice along the way. Everything posted on this thread seems to really be relevant to my day to day struggles. Everyone's words of widsom prove to be very useful in the times I find myself.

I have to admit that there lingers in me a destructive/fearful thought pattern that seems to really be fighting for its survival, inside me. Almost as if I have ignored facing this certain characteristic my whole life, and now I have decided to face it once and for all. This seems to be troublesome archetype for everytime I fall under his "spell" I always end up in the darkness.

Maybe someone else has had or is having a similar experience. I would love nothing more than to leave this pattern behind, yet it has a very persistant presence and will not go away easily. So maybe some more tips and advise... since it all has been so useful up until now.

Thanks again to everyone who is helping this Fool along his path.

Stay classy Project Avalon!!!

ThaFever 09-13-2008 02:44 AM

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All that i'm seeing here is somehow linked.
Weird:winksmiley02:

TranceAm 09-13-2008 03:33 AM

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imo

Knowledge, helps me in this reality to project prophecies based on this realities laws and experience...

Spirituality is "my"/?"our"? total existence that is not limited to this reality.,
and imo we are only peeking through our 3rd eye to participate with our interface (body) in this reality.

I would dare to claim, whatever happens, get used to the thought that you will exist forever. Like it or not in the box..

You are free to claim to live in a fridge where the lights go out when the door closes.

Deep enough? ;-)
:yikes:

Norval 09-13-2008 02:57 PM

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Deep? Well, I started this with my sandals on and now I am changing into my hip waders and thinking I may need my chest waders soon. :shocked:

When it comes to "spirituality" most posts seem to be more of a philosophical nature. Not very many posts about knowledge showing up yet though.

An old quote I like about "knowledge" is by Will Rodgers 1938,
"It's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so that will hurt you." :sad:

Sky Otter 09-13-2008 03:22 PM

Re: Spirituality or Knowledge
 
Hey Norval
and all

i have a question...
do you have to act on anything to be spiritual?
and is knowledge just a collection of things?
hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:

TranceAm 09-13-2008 03:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Norval (Post 10094)
Deep? Well, I started this with my sandals on and now I am changing into my hip waders and thinking I may need my chest waders soon. :shocked:

Hmm, noticing that you are on a boat you might even have that stuff available.. ;-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norval (Post 10094)
When it comes to "spirituality" most posts seem to be more of a philosophical nature. Not very many posts about knowledge showing up yet though.

It seems all knowledge is relative. And there aren't to many basis truths to build reality on.. (Hence my quote below.)
For example, if one combines the unit for Length, a Standarized Meter, how does this relate to an expanding universe? Is the Meter of 2 seconds ago, the same absolute length as the Meter that we experience or measure now? How could we measure that expansion, if everything expanded, even the "Meter" we consider as standard?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norval (Post 10094)
An old quote I like about "knowledge" is by Will Rodgers 1938,
"It's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so that will hurt you." :sad:

And true it is, but then again, What can really happen to us?
At most the third eye closes... And the atoms and molecules that our spirit held together, become dust in the wind and basis for other iife to build with.

The big question is, at what side of the 3rd eye is the observer?
Or where does the reader prefer to be? And based on what information/knowledge?

I threw a thought a while back in an IRC channel, that maybe sheds some light into this issue.

"Just a thought... Skip if you're not interested, but I do think that life is funny,
and how society bases everything on what happens on the outside of you, AND thus makes you concentrate on a "closed" box,
instead of what it is really about, the inside of you, that is limitless?
(And that you haven't thought about something yet, doesn't mean it ain't there or possible, correct?) "


Needless to say, there was no reflection from the void on the channel.
Maybe you have a thought there that adds or shows the inconsistency?
If so be welcome. I look forward to your thoughts to enhance mine and to learn..

Peace TranceAm


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