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Beren is correct. Humility is the key.

One translation of the word ego is "sin"
The ego is a separation device, it gives the impression that you are in sole control of what happens in your life, that it is the creator, except when it goes wrong then it manufacture an enemy.
It ignores God, it has no humility.

Much has been written on the subject on "the ego what is it? how to transcend" thread.

Hope you dont mind me mentioning it on this great thread "aroundthetable"
By the way you have started me reading the Gita again. Time well spent.
Chris
Namaste

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Pardon me sir :original:

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Lol Beren, believe me i share your enthusiasm in these matters :thumb_yello:

Hey Beren, how about a personal favourite or inspiring gem from the bible that you like? No not the whole book!!!

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deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???:mfr_lol:

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Well as long as we are here, lets do the right thing by each other, and then get the hell outta here!!

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I chose to go to hell? What was I thinking? :lol3: Now I'm reduced to trying to get people to air-condition the place! :naughty: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 :original:

Thank-you Beren. I think I will reread the Bible from a Humanistic Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction point of view. (Seriously!) Sort of a cross between Robert H. Schuller, Albert Schweitzer (his whole life and writings), Ralph Ellis (Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs), and Stargate SG-1. JB Phillips was wrong when he wrote 'Your God is Too Small'. Our God is too BIG. We've made God into a fairy-tale...and a nightmare in many cases. Our Theology is Too Small. It's time to take off the blinders and the gloves...and get real...real fast. Studying all of the Gospels (not just the four)...with a Strong's (not Young's) Concordance...using Grammatical-Historical Hermeneutics (rather than Subjective-Eisegesis)...would be an excellent approach. You know...using the words of Jesus as a theological home-base...and working outward from there. A group of White Hat Jesuits should start a Society of the Teachings of Jesus. The big question is...will I actually do this? I mean well...but I have a very weak follow-through. I'm a tempest in a teapot...and the spooks (or the Jesuits) shouldn't waste their time on me. Actually...they probably don't even know who I am!

:cup:Namaste:cup:

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Nice one Beren I agree.

I'll take it a step further and say that I believe Jesus message was that we are the Christ, we are Suns and Daughters of God when we awaken from our amnesia and surrender our own illusions of lack and limitation.

Of course we haven't been acting like the Christ here, and that has been our choice. We can either Be the Christ, or we can be the ego. That's our choice. God's chosen One's are those who choose to BE.

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The fun's just begining dearest Ones... patience of the saints, we are here Now to bring in a New Earth, a Golden Age unsurpassed in Earth history, and we'll do so by bringing in first a New us ~ Rebirth ~ caterpillar Be's the Butterfly ~ old wine surrender, new wine of Christ consciousness fills the Holy Grail (US!)...

Abundant Life made manifest, coming to Planet Earth in the Now... Now!

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There are many gems, I give few of them now... :original:

Psalm 15 (New International Version)

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.
1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary?
Who may live on your holy hill?

2 He whose walk is blameless
and who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from his heart

3 and has no slander on his tongue,
who does his neighbor no wrong
and casts no slur on his fellowman,

4 who despises a vile man
but honors those who fear the LORD,
who keeps his oath
even when it hurts,

5 who lends his money without usury
and does not accept a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things
will never be shaken.





John 17:20-26 (New International Version)

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

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:starwars: :lmao:

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:wall::sweatdrop:

this is smiley trying to brake the wall (he`s angry and can`t wait so he haste with his head! ) and the other one sweating and hoping that first one stay where he is...

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Quote from THE BHAGAVAD GITA.
ARJUNAN
Tell me of those who live established in wisdom ever aware of the Self, O Krishna.
How do they talk? How sit? How move about?

SRI KRISHNA
They live in wisdom who see themselves in all and all in them, who have renounced every selfish desire and sense craving tormenting the heart.
Neither agitated by grief nor hankering after pleasure, they live free from lust and fear and anger.
Established in meditation they are truly wise. Fettered no more by selfish attachments, they are neither elated by good fortune nor depressed by bad. Such are the seers.

That was written many thousands of years ago yet still relevant in this world.

Golden World yes if we even remotely follow these ancient teachings updated to modern language, the essence is timeless.
Chris

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love the battling smileys!!

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Here is a Gita quote regarding ego,
Ch 3 Tx 27

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

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Posted by Beren,

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.
1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary?
Who may live on your holy hill?

2 He whose walk is blameless
and who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from his heart

3 and has no slander on his tongue,
who does his neighbor no wrong
and casts no slur on his fellowman,

4 who despises a vile man
but honors those who fear the LORD,
who keeps his oath
even when it hurts,

5 who lends his money without usury
and does not accept a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things
will never be shaken.



Ty Beren
These are time honoured values preserved in all the scriptures and that is why making God unfashionable never works, because all living souls recognise these truths.

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Here is a similar message from the Bhagavad Gita,

Ch 15 Tx 5

Those who are free from false prestige, illusion and false association, who can understand the eternal, who are done with material lust, who are freed from the dualities of happiness and distress, and who, unbewildered, know how to surrender unto the supreme person attain to that eternal kingdom.

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Beautiful and powerful posts, greybeard and aroundthetable :original::original:

Great spiritual truths...

Love,

Kriya

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Thankyou for saying that Kriya, always remembering this is not my own concoction but from time honoured scripture. It is there waiting and freely available to all who wish to partake and gain relief from the disturbances of the material world. :trumpet:

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This passage is made of elements that divide people of different religions:

• you get a sure pass through the gates of heaven when others go to hell
• you are "the chosen ones" and better than others

Like you said, the Bible has been tempered with. Perhaps the passage is inserted to misguide people?

There are many Gods of different religions who want us to worship them and be fearful of them, why pick one over the other?
There are gems in scriptures of different religions, why devote ourselves to one in exclusion of others?

Like many have said here, we can look within ourselves and find truths.
And we are with Creation from within.

Having said that, I do tag along my friends to church gatherings of different religions.
And I very much enjoy the company even though I don't always agree with the teachings.

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Lisa, I think that message is clear. But our minds are in deep confusion. We are persuaded from the dawn of humanity that actually what we see isn`t like that .

People see these words and they think that it must be something different because it can`t be that simple.

It can.

But the wonder of Creator is that truth like that ,stated in the passage you quoted from mine reply speaks of essence ,but when you actually dig deeper ,you find many facets of truth along with it...and you finally come to conclusion that even the first statement was the truthful one which encircle the point.

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I am baptized catholic, but sincerely, the native american branch of my genealogy is really stronger in my spirituality. Nevertheless, I am 40 years old now and my experiences through out the world brought me so many different contacts with other religions, that I really feel at a "crossroad of faith".

I feel to be a man of all religion, or none. It is no more important to me at this time. What I really feel to be important is being in close contact with the spirit of Creation who dwells into my heart, in our hearts. This is for the introspection part and as well for the extrospection part, I contemplate Creation's action in nature, so it gives me an insight on how it behaves, feels, its way...

I like to observe animals and humans in their most natural reflexes, so I can have a bit of "understanding" on how we were made, why we are here and where we are going. I like to observe physics and its laws, so it gives me a hint on how balance and harmony are maintained.

Really, my sens of religion is from the love I feel for living and for nature. My sens of Creation/Creator is "sensing" this presence "animating" every creatures at the center of their essence.

I like to use the term "Creation" instead of "Creator" or "God" for two reasons. The first is because Creation includes all creatures into one being, sentient and feeling. The second reason is because Creation has a feminine concept in my own personal symbolism language. It is very personal of course and can be totally absurd for others :lol3:...

Namaste, Steven

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Hi Lisa
Language is so useless when it comes to spiritual its of the heart not the mind.

The bible has been re translated, not written till after Jesus had been dead many years.
Yet the essence of what Jesus says remains.

For myself and not being of any religion. I feel that God is LOVE and does not judge us.
On death we gravitate to the realm concordant with our spiritual vibration, a vibration we have created through our intent and action, judgment is not necessary.
Jesus said "In my fathers house are many mansions"

When I read anything spiritual, possibly you do the same, I ask myself, "Is that coming from love or creating fear?" Fear cant come from God.
The old testament is the way that people viewed god at that time.

God dosent need our prayers or anything from us, we need Him and we need to pray and have humility and gratitude. God is unconditional love, there is no requirement of us, we all deserve love and loved we are but we must ask for it. Its not forced on us.
Our actions do have consequences though. Every action brings us closer to the Love or further away, raises or lowers our vibration.

God is the totality all of it, has no needs or desires, we cant please or displease Him.
He is complete.
God will never be out of fashion.
All this is my belief -- not saying it is so.
Chris

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:original:

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Life wouldn't be so complex if everyone knew that each person is a part of God and that even one person's energy is so powerful that it affects multitudes.

The soul is the very essence of life as it first sprang from Creator.
It is an indestructible living entity of light energy that may have a physical body, etheric body or astral body, or it may exist in free spirit only.

Our souls, manifested by God through His co-creating powers with Creator, are expressions of the love and light of God and contain in microcosm every essence of God.

In any of its forms, the soul is an inviolate independent being at the same time it exists inseparably with God and Creator and all other souls in the cosmos.

Your thoughts and feelings of love and caring for others are prayers.
These can be at any time, in any place, with any words or no words, only feelings.
The effects of prayer are directly related to the intent and intensity of the thoughts and feelings.

God never meant churches to be buildings of any kind.
The magnificent cathedrals are man's idea, not God's.
Church is all within the soul. Church is one's feelings of reverence, of thanksgiving.
It is the uplifting of the spirit into the love and light of God.
In this way, church is a single prayer that has the ability to touch the universe.

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Here`s another gem:


Matthew 5:13-16 (New International Version)

Salt and Light

13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. 14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.






and verse 20:


For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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Thanks Steven, I share your point of view and you express it way better than I do.

Beren & Truthseekerdan, you guys are gonna crucify me for this...
Nevertheless, I buy Billy Meier's story:

• ET Gabriel got Mary pregnant with Jmmanuel (whom we call Jesus).
• So when Jesus look to the sky and say "Father", he is calling ET Gabriel.
• God for the ETs (according to Meier) is the most knowledgeable or spiritually evolved person in their society.
• We got the word God from them when they came to rule us in the past.
• Besides that, ETs believe that there is a Creation greater than "God".

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King James Version

2 Corinthians 3

5. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

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[*]Besides that, ETs believe that there is a Creation greater than "God".[/LIST][/QUOTE]

Hi Lisa
Could I recommend that you read Dr David Hawkins "Power versus Force"

http://www.veritaspub.com/

He is a modern mystic and fully enlightened.

He has developed a map of consciousness in which there is there is lowest life form consciousness vibration calibration given up through levels of animal, human to enlightenment on through various levels of God on up to got the Ultimate God which is infinity.

God is the totality all of it including all realms, there is no where God is not and that obviously includes ETs.

Not saying im right but I believe D Hawkins is.

Chris

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Lisa you can "buy" or believe whatever you want as long as you crucify your ego. :mfr_lol:

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Greybeard, we are in agreement.
What you call Ultimate God is what I call Creation.

To clarify, I am just sharing what I buy and don't buy.
I don't consider myself better than others because of what I buy.
As to my ego, I work hard to eliminate it every day.

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Im laughing too Truthseekerdan.

One of Dr Hawkins books is all about transcending the ego.
"Discovery of the presence of God /devotional nonduality".

The reason I resonate with his work is that he is in that rare state of nonduality -ego less, Oneness with God, he is here now and there is therefore no chance of miss translation, doctoring his words, he is of my culture speaking my language in modern terms stating his experiential truth which is the same truth as told in the Vedas, by Krishna, by The Buddah by Christ. Eternal TRUTH.
Im not taking away from other cultures but there is essence unique to all cultures and if your not born to that way of expressing there is a chance of misunderstanding the essence of it.

So for me I want it straight from the horses mouth, no go between, nothing second hand.
Its essential in my view we trancend the ego at this point in time or it will just be more of the same a 1000 years from now, if we survive the egos tendency to get the human race into big trouble.
Smiling
Chris

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Glad to make you guys so happy.

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What does it mean to be fully enlightened? If All is from the One source, then if I'm fully enlightened to that reality, that I truly AM an extension of my Source which is the infinite, then should I not at the very least, be able to do the works that Jesus did only greater works than these should I BE able to do?

I suggest, we realize, there is always MORE, and some teachers help us climb higher, but should we become dependent on teachers or teachings outside of ourselves, we can never surpass them. Full enlightenment to me, means knowing that I AM the eternal student, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to those who are as children ~ always learning, always BEING MORE

It also means, being no longer limited by the matter realm. I Am the spiritual Being having a material experience... should I choose to shift my consciousness, yet not have mastery over matter, time and space, and call myself 'fully enlightened' then I would suggest I am very likely caught in a higher place on the path, yet no longer making upwards progress, I've created a better mousetrap...

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God point ~ surrendering the illusions of seperation to Be reborn in Oneness to me is the entire path.

Beliefs are beliefs. They limit. They are prison walls. They are attachments. Truth is an experience in Oneness ~ sometime beliefs can help us to move closer to experiencing Truth, but if they are not helping us achieve this higher consciousness experience in Being Now, then they are chaining us to duality, to our own prison of lack, limitation, powerlessness and suffering...

We must surrender our "riches" of human beliefs to gain the treasures of the Christ consicousness...

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I totally agree with you on this! :thumb_yello:

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In the infinite beyond space and time there's many things we have yet to understand. Here's a doozy of a question which makes my head spin: if God create us who created God ? Where there other Gods ? For me the word God is affiliated with mythology, legends and this sort of things; anything we do not fully understand we label God. Please do not misunderstand I do believe in an origin of all things . However as most of us here know humans are a genetic experiment and I do not believe the so call God had anything to do with it.
What I do not know is; how did we originally decide to inhabit a human body? Did the creators of the genetic experiment intentionally force us to inhabit the human body? Did the origin of all things decide to level the playing field by giving humans a fighting chance?
I am ever so grateful to be a part of this creation experience and I know there's a lot yet to be done to liberate all of us from the chains of human ignorance. My feeling is that there's many other worlds in the same situation that we are in, seeking the same type of answers. What I know for sure is that our soul has a dwelling place and it is infinite . :naughty::mfr_omg::original:

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My pleasure Lisa. I appreciated the reading of the Talmud also. What I found very interesting was the reference in the Universal Laws in this version of Jesus life. He called them the Laws of Creation, which are most definitely at work everywhere all the time. What surprises me is the near absence of the Laws of Creation in many religion and spiritual leaders. Well, to be honest, it does not really surprises me :lol3:.

Personally, I like my Ego and will never attempt to crucify it :original:. Ego does not mean egocentric of "big Ego". It is only your current personality, essential for your soul to evolve. I see there are a lot of different point of views about this, this makes the world richer! Here is how I see the Ego: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...6&postcount=41

I also see a confusion with the concept of duality. I have study a bit of buddhism, but I really do not see this concept as problematic. I see sometimes a confusion with freewill and choices. Freewill is a principle in Creation, so choices are available to sentient beings. Living with choices brings consequences and impacts on us and our surrounding. That's how we may learn and evolve with understandings. That is also why there are extremes, what we often "tagged" as polarity, which is not the case. There is duality, its nor good nor bad, it is part of Creation. Duality is also part of Oneness, it takes two for Love to flow in between...

Namaste, Steven

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IS the eternal NOW where you and I AM beyond the illusions of the Matrix.

Before Abraham was I AM. There is no begining and no ending, only IS. There is nothing outside of the infinite. The infinite is not some 'thing'. The infinite is infinite potentiality. What exist is infinite potentiality. No thing at all exist, only infinity. We are individualization's of infinite potentiality. No thing created infinite potentiality. It just IS. God is not some guy in the sky. God is not seperate from anything. To make even any kind of an image of the infinite is instantly a graven image, because the infinite truly is INFINITE. That's the basis of God ~ INFINITY NOW.

Time and space are creations that we are playing in right now ~ BE-yond them is eternally NOW ~

In reality, BE-yond Duality you and I AM infinite potentiality ~


There is only Oneness ~ Yet there are infinite individualization's of infinite potentiality Co-creating in symbiotic unity in the eternal NOW.

There are many God's, many Masters, there is a very large spiritual hierarchy in our particular universe that leads up to Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end of this creation ~ but not the end of us ~ it is our eventual destiny, when we surrender our own illusions of separation and are reborn in Oneness with I AM, to grow our unique perspective in Oneness with All that IS and eventually create our own universe! This is not going to happen anytime soon , but it is part of our journey's in the schoolroom's and playground's of infinity ~ We're here in this dense area now to learn lessons about how to connect to Love and our source even when the illusion of separation is so strong...

I like to call it 'the Infinite'.

It must be learned by humanity now for us to pass the test that are in front of us. There is no God in the sky responsible for our conditions. That is a false god. The only true God is the I AM that is accessible directly within us in the stillness of the Now. We're co-creators, we've created our problems, and now we'll let the Father Mother within Be the doer to bring forth solutions.

We are a spiritual experiment. Can souls earn their divine individuality in this dense environment? Can they eventually see through the veil? Or do they choose to remain forever associated with the unconsciousness until their evolutions cease completely. It is time now to see whether the experiment has been a success:

We face a choice: to BE or not to Be


We came from many different evolutions. All of us however have fallen under the spell of amnesia. Now it is time to Awaken. We are MORE than the thinker. It is time to grow up, to evolve beyond our lack and limitation and take responsibility for our own world and creations. The choice and opportunity is ours.

We have an exceptionally diverse level of evolutions here. Fixing our problems here will have powerful reverberating effects throughout cosmos and help heal the consciousness of many species and groups throughout the galaxy and universe. As we raise up the densest (Earth), it will push everything above it higher. We are here for an exciting time and an important mission ~ the freeing and raising up of planet Earth and it's peoples!


Yes. That's the ticket to gaining back our rightful place in Being.

The reality is, that we are that divine spark that rest within us. We simply need to awaken to it, and Now is the time to do it!

Espavo (<Lemurian for: thank you for taking your Power!)

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Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts and wisdom!

Yeah RedeZra, this I am not sure.
Meier never said this outright (as far as I know), but a few shreds of his material lead one to imply that he is Jesus reincarnate.

As with most people, I listen to many different sources.
I spend more time on sources that I find more reliable.
Then I buy some and don't buy some.