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Knowwheretorun 03-09-2010 08:07 PM

Gregg Braden Debunked
 
Gregg Braden Debunked (1 of 15) INTRO
youtube.com/watch?v=7rkwQgeJcFs
the2012deception.net
Notes for this video:
The 2012 Deception Presentation- (1 of 6)
youtube.com/watch?v=VaVDhOU6jLE
How 2012 "Enlightenment" Will Lead To Genocide (1 of 3)
youtube.com/watch?v=7xtN1qo9yLw


Gregg Braden Debunked (2 of 15) The Schumann Resonances
youtube.com/watch?v=zLGDOVeb5bw
Notes for this video:
quake.geo.berkeley.edu/ncedc/em.intro.html
knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Introduction_to_Geomagnetically_Trapped_Radiation/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17795213
crawford2000.co.uk/sch.htm


Gregg Braden Debunked (3 of 15) Pole Shift
youtube.com/watch?v=7CG62lSLrzk
knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Earth%27s_magnetic_field/
The Earth's magnetic field reverses at intervals, ranging from tens of thousands to hundreds of
thousands of years. It is believed that this last occurred some 600,000 years ago (Comins - DEU p.84).
The overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a rate which will cause the field to disappear by about 4000 AD.1 Other sources have put the date of field collapse as early as 3000 AD.
knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Introduction_to_Geomagnetically_Trapped_Radiation/
scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2009/02/is_the_earths_magnetic_field_a.php
nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7043/full/nature03674.html
bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/43775-pole-shift-idea-origins.html


Gregg Braden Debunked (4 of 15) The Earth Stops Rotating
youtube.com/watch?v=t9Dxu3PkYr8
notes
khouse.org/articles/2003/479/
trustbible.com/planetx.htm
creationism.org/patten/PattenMarsEarthWars/PattenMEW10.htm
creationism.org/patten/PattenMarsEarthWars/PattenMEW08.htm


Gregg Braden Debunked (5 of 15) The Photon Belt
youtube.com/watch?v=zXZqlKbzfwg
notes:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_belt
bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/esp_cinturon_fotones_15.htm
geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/Pleiades.html
etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html


Gregg Braden Debunked (6 of 15) The Sun's Magnetic Field
youtube.com/watch?v=QQEf89GtDiI
adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1992A&AS...92..221B
science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm
wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ap_index_oct09.png
globalwarmingart.com/images/4/43/Solar_Cycle_Variations.png
science.nasa.gov/ssL/pad/solar/solar-b_brochure.stm


Gregg Braden Debunked (7 of 15) Quantum Physics , Entaglement, Bell's inequality EPR Paradox
youtube.com/watch?v=IFrVGYt-Y1A

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
physlink.com/Education/askexperts/ae634.cfm
A commonly debated use of the term refers to quantum mechanics, where, if the outcome of an event has not been observed, it exists in a state of 'superposition', which is akin to being in all possible states at once. In the famous thought experiment known as Schrödinger's cat the cat is supposedly neither alive nor dead until observed. However, most quantum physicists, in resolving Schrödinger's seeming paradox, now understand that the acts of 'observation' and 'measurement' must also be defined in quantum terms before the question makes sense.
That is that the reason science must come up with a third possibility namely that the cat is neither alive or dead is because they cant mathematically detailed. And they like to be able to explain things mathematically..


Gregg Braden Debunked (8 of 15) Fraudulent Footnotes
youtube.com/watch?v=nreOOetXZJM
greggbraden.com/resources/technical_references/
twm.co.nz/DNAPhantom.htm.:
skepdic.com/plants.html
greggbraden.com/newsletter/2000.html
energygrid.com/spirit/guide/gregg-braden.html


Gregg Braden Debunked (9 of 15) The Great Red Spot
youtube.com/watch?v=pnS0BBpLBMc
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1981AcApS...1...87X
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Great_Red_Spot_and_other_storms
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1899MNRAS..59..574D


Gregg Braden Debunked (10 of 15) The Maharishi Effect
youtube.com/watch?v=uewnSF3p-No
youtube.com/watch?v=rlPiXNlhKFo
behind-the-tm-facade.org/Maharishi_Effect-mdefect-uscities-1976.htm
behind-the-tm-facade.org/mdefect-peer2.htm
behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-lebanon.htm


Gregg Braden Debunked (11 of 15) The God Code
youtube.com/watch?v=jWoA0v2lyKM
energygrid.com/science/2004/03ap-godcode.html


Gregg Braden Debunked (12 of 15) Messages from Water
youtube.com/watch?v=uyp_4Ttbt6k
youtube.com/watch?v=rlPiXNlhKFo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto


Gregg Braden Debunked (13 of 15) The Global Consciousness Project
youtube.com/watch?v=gxbLPDwNUPQ
skeptiko.com/73-skeptoid-brian-dunning/


Gregg Braden Debunked (14 of 15) The Council of Nicaea
youtube.com/watch?v=ngQMOBY26ck
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
youtube.com/watch?v=mh4OoIseGGs
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4395387373297652024
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3367901243436172139


the council of nicea bible edited proof constantine rome by catholic christinas texts

Gregg Braden Debunked (15 of 15) Jesus and Conclusion
youtube.com/watch?v=SBBdNEx3RJw
dvdtract.com

pineal-pilot-in merkabah 03-09-2010 10:24 PM

Re: Gregg Braden Debunked
 
this thread is silly.. perhaps just not agreeing with a researchers point of veiw will sufice. although you can post anything you like of course.

Aztar 03-09-2010 10:32 PM

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Hello Chris White

Ya know you can just post part 1 of 15, people here are smart enough to find the rest if they choose to.

to embed video type [youtube]zLGDOVeb5bw[/youtube and Closed with a ]

truthseekerdan 03-09-2010 10:40 PM

Re: Gregg Braden Debunked
 
Silly 1st post, know.where.to.run... :dog:
:welcomeani:

sunflower 03-09-2010 10:42 PM

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Hi knowwheretorun, it's too bad that your very first post to the forum is so negative. I don't know too much about Greg Braden but until I do I don't feel it necessary to check out your links.

And by the way. welcome to Avalon.:welcomeani:

morguana 03-09-2010 10:54 PM

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Knowwheretorun, firstly i would like to say hello and welcome :welcomeani:

it might be a good idea to introduce yourself and meet the rest of your fellow avalonians before posting a thread showing greg brandon in a contoversal light, just a wee hint!

its a bit like turning up to a party for save the foxes and shouting tallyho! :lol3:

much light to you
m x

pilot 03-10-2010 12:51 AM

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imo gregg braden is too vanilla to bother with, much less put that much effort into debunking.

anyway, welcome.

Carrie1971 03-10-2010 01:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by morguana (Post 252943)
Knowwheretorun, firstly i would like to say hello and welcome :welcomeani:

it might be a good idea to introduce yourself and meet the rest of your fellow avalonians before posting a thread showing greg brandon in a contoversal light, just a wee hint!

its a bit like turning up to a party for save the foxes and shouting tallyho! :lol3:

much light to you
m x

I love your suggestion..

AS most of you here that read my few postings know I support him... IN FACT he was the first one to make me open my eyes. Then after reading his books my heart was touched. Then.... Well the flood gate was no longer able to be closed and even if you read this and do not agree with my support of his work I can still send out good positive words and thoughts.


Remember that no matter who you are or what you think you know. Life is a gift and you are here for a reason.

Steven 03-10-2010 01:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrie1971 (Post 253068)
...Remember that no matter who you are or what you think you know. Life is a gift and you are here for a reason.

Indeed. So true. It is ours to discover and I must say Gregg helps a whole lot. I have experience some of what he says. That is what I like about the Universal Laws of consciousness, you can use them and see them at work...

What saddens me is all these thread about consciousness are so unpopular even here :tears:. :lol3: But it is Ok! Gives me more work!

Namaste, Steven

swordsmith 03-10-2010 01:18 AM

Re: Gregg Braden Debunked
 
hiya chris, how's the beef with michael tsarion going? new fish to fry ol buddy ol pal? keep up the hate if you want to, but what would jesus do , eh? chris white debunked more like if there is a second coming, unlikely as that is.

PilotSimone 03-10-2010 01:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot (Post 253053)
imo gregg braden is too vanilla to bother with, much less put that much effort into debunking.

This was my first thought as well.

It's like 'debunking' Ram Dass or Alan Watts. :naughty:

Zeddo 03-10-2010 01:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrie1971 (Post 253068)
I love your suggestion..

AS most of you here that read my few postings know I support him... IN FACT he was the first one to make me open my eyes. Then after reading his books my heart was touched. Then.... Well the flood gate was no longer able to be closed and even if you read this and do not agree with my support of his work I can still send out good positive words and thoughts.


Remember that no matter who you are or what you think you know. Life is a gift and you are here for a reason.

Nice one Carrie

I don't care if GB is vanilla coated with fudge, I have a lot of time for him and his work. Perhaps (and I have said this of other people who are pet hates on this site) when we do just a fraction ....a teensy weensy itty bitty fraction, of what these people do, we can open our un-informed traps and start shouting SCAM !
Until then, I will continue to enjoy both his and others, works as they provide love and light in these times.
I debunk debunkers and all I say is, get a life and start to love.

Z

Knowwheretorun 03-10-2010 04:31 AM

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Hi all, Im glad to be here, I was exited to see my approval notification the other day, Im sorry that this comes off as negative, I assure you its done out of love. I really really used to believe Braden's general line myself a few years ago, I also used to think it was because it was scientifically stable.

The reason I hope that some of you watch the presentation is two fold, the first being that you will see that there is no ambiguity in regard to the wrongness of Braden here, its plainly evident, and as I state right at the outset, this is no mere nitpicking, the fundamental points of Braden's main points are unquestionably wrong (see for yourself). I chose to use him as an example because he holds many of the views I used to hold simultaneously, and therefore is a good medium in which to show the problems with many of the ideas at the same time, while also demonstrating why they are so easily believed by us. Its also set up in a way that each part is self contained, so if you see the heading of a particular part that your interested in, say for instance The Schumann Resonances, you can watch just that clip.

The second reason that I think this is important and should be attempted by you to view it as an act of genuine concern by me is because after looking over the root, or first causes of much of these specific ideas I think I stumbled over something that would (if I am right) mean that the NWO or whatever you want to call them, are actively involved in promoting the ideas for a very specific reason, please understand that this does not mean that the people themselves are "agents"..... try to think of it like a professor of economics at a state university, They are usually true believers in the model of economics they are teaching, they have been taught what to think in such a way that makes them think that it was their idea in the first place, so they are not agents per se, but they are basically performing the same function as one, this after considering the ultimate objective, which I would submit may be very different that most of us anticipate.

I try to explain this idea in a few different videos including
How 2012 "Enlightenment" Will Lead To Genocide (1 of 3)

Also in the latter part of this one I state the case much more clearly:
The 2012 Deception Presentation- (1 of 6)

Also to a lesser degree here:
My rant to the truth movement (1 of 3)

Derek 03-10-2010 05:21 AM

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Yes, alot of Greggs work is pseudoscience that he seems to have made up. Especially his book "the god code". On the other hand alot of his science is valid. I don't think he is an NWO agent, because some of his science has some shotty footnotes. I think he had some well researched material and wanted to continue to support himself by making up nonsense. The basic premise of his real research has been supported by native societies all over the planet for thousands of years. It can be found in Taoist, Buddhist, and Hindu philosophy as well among others. It's nothing new.

Chris, Ive seen your work. Your debunking Maxwell video was very well done. I don't agree with your views though, and frankly if you were the only one with the truth you'd be dead and/or replaced. Your not that well known.
We both know Alex Jones is a disinfo agent. Take a look at his views on Christianity and the new age movement. We both know the bible was rewritten and manipulated. Yes there is a move from a faction of the illuminati to say he didn't exist. At the same time there's a move from another faction (british royals) to say he did exist and left a bloodline, so they can come out and say there part of it and be basicly worshipped.

They want to make you feel powerless and scared. By making you become an atheist you are devoid of spirituality and feel powerless. By making you think there is a conspiracy run by one all powerful group where all of the members unanimously agree on all the same agendas and ideas which you have no way to stop except by buying guns and food (or even worse saying there is no way you can stop it because its been prophesied to happen an exact way) you also feel powerless and scared.

There is a massive part of the new age movement (if you want to call it that) that respects and applies biblical teaching to their life. I keep the 23rd psalm in my pocket at all times. I even call upon jesus for protection and guidance and feel I have a closer relationship and respect for him now then ever.

You do have a compassionate drive to help though, and you put in alot of hard work. I really respect you for that.

Thank You

truthseekerdan 03-10-2010 05:29 AM

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:Update: Newest video interview on CMN with Gregg Braden :thumb_yello:

Fractal Time

In a much awaited follow up interview with Gregg Braden, Regina discusses his vision of 2012 and the next great cycle from the persepctive of Fractal Time, the title of Gregg's latest book.

As Deepak Chopra says, Gregg Braden is a rare blend of scientist, visionary and scholar with the ability to speak to our minds, while touching the wisdom of our hearts. His ability to look at the grand picture, observe the important scientific facts and synthesis them into an understanding that touches deep within, is one of Gregg's greatest contributions.

Gregg is internationally renowned as a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality. Following a successful career as a Computer Geologist for Phillips Petroleum during the 1970s energy crisis, he became a Senior Computer Systems Designer for Martin Marietta Defense Systems during the last year of the Cold War. In 1991 he was appointed the first Technical Operations Manager for Cisco Systems where he led the development of the global support team that assures the reliability of today’s Internet. For more than 22 years, Gregg has searched high mountain villages, remote monasteries, and forgotten texts to uncover their timeless secrets. To date, his work has led to such paradigm-shattering books as The Isaiah Effect, The God Code, The Divine Matrix and his 2008 release, The Spontaneous Healing of Belief: Shattering the Paradigm of False Limits. Gregg’s work is now published in 17 languages and 27 countries and shows us beyond any reasonable doubt that the key to our future lies in the wisdom of our past.

For more on Gregg Braden, please go to www.greggbraden.com

To go directly to the Fractal Time code calculator, go to www.greggbraden.com/home/fractal-time-calculator

:trumpet:

mu2143 03-10-2010 05:35 AM

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What people mostly do not understand is, that the newage movemend is a part of the illuminati program. They are allready aware of what is going come out in the future!!
so they put in there players to pick it up where and when it is needed and keep the people in confusion.

So most of the so called spiritual leaders are trained by the illuminati for this and there good in what they do.
There always talke half truths and fill in the part that looks like it is right, but most people stop questioning this by then and think there wonderfull!!!

There here to make sure you do not progress futher to more understanding!!!
and keep you busy with sweet talk!!!!

Derek 03-10-2010 05:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mu2143 (Post 253189)
What people mostly do not understand is, that the newage movemend is a part of the illuminati program. They are allready aware of what is going come out in the future!!
so they put in there players to pick it up where and when it is needed and keep the people in confusion.

So most of the so called spiritual leaders are trained by the illuminati for this and there good in what they do.
There always talke half truths and fill in the part that looks like it is right, but most people stop questioning this by then and think there wonderfull!!!

There here to make sure you do not progress futher to more understanding!!!
and keep you busy with sweet talk!!!!

Of course the new age movement has been infiltrated by the illuminati.

So has the conspiracy movement, the exopolitics movement, even the christian movement. I don't think that means all of them are 100% lies and disinformation.

Do you really think the illuminati didn't get to the bible or protestant christian doctrine, but the new age movement is fully under their control?

Anchor 03-10-2010 06:00 AM

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Even the "everything has been infiltrated by the illuminati" movement has been infiltrated by the illuminati!

When will it end!

AJ..

Knowwheretorun 03-10-2010 06:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 253184)
The basic premise of his real research has been supported by native societies all over the planet for thousands of years.

I think that I know the basic things that you are referring to here (Mind changing matter, and thoughts effecting external things) but this is one of the things that I was refuting in the video. You seem to agree that Braden is untruthful selectively, but I would encourage you to see the sections of my video called Fraudulent Footnotes (about this subject), also The Maharishi Effect, The Global Consciousness Project and the section called Messages from Water You will find that all four of those sections are dealing with the one aspect of Braden's teaching that you seem to want to keep.


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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 253184)
We both know the bible was rewritten and manipulated.

The interesting thing about this claim is that as often as its claimed, I have never seen anyone attempt to prove it, Which if you think about it, would be the easiest thing in the history of ancient textual criticism to do. Especially considering that there are more fragments (26,000) for the New Testament from the 1st century on up, so all that would need to be done is to show a point in history where the texts were altered, but even the skeptic scholars don't argue this other than minor spelling errors or similar things. The fact is that all of the texts agree, and considering that they are by far, the most scrutinized texts (by both sides) in the history of the world, you would expect at least someone to simply point to the place where it was changed and say "Ah ha!, before this time it said this, and now it says thus".

I think people tend to confuse this idea with the various modern English translations, but this is the same thing you deal with in french or Chinese or any other language that the bible is translated in, there are challenges and some things get lost in translation when going from the original to the modern but they ALL have recourse to the same unchanging Greek and Hebrew texts, a simple concordance is all anyone from any language would need, We can in fact be sure, (despite the earnest attempts of its critics for thousands of years) that the bible is the exact same thing that was written originally. see my video Council of Nicaea myth debunked


Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 253184)
There is a massive part of the new age movement (if you want to call it that) that respects and applies biblical teaching to their life. I keep the 23rd psalm in my pocket at all times. I even call upon Jesus for protection and guidance and feel I have a closer relationship and respect for him now then ever.

I understand why you would think that, but as I tried to show in the last section of the Braden video that the position is not something that can be held logically. It was C.S. Lewis, a professor of philosophy at Oxford and Cambridge, both when he was an atheist and afterwords, that demonstrated this so clearly C.S. Lewis - "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic"

mu2143 03-10-2010 06:13 AM

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You think, I do not know that. Of course I'm already aware of that, there still rewritting the bible today.

You need to find out what is truth and which is a lie, the main problem is with people when the have read something they read it like if it is a scribt and not trying to understand what is writen in any forms of media.


There are thing in the bible that speaks of truth for example I found this video of this person that is reading a line out of a bible about Sumeria and I knew that was true. Because where repeating history again and he gets his information from spirit with out this your lost.

He my sound crazy, but it is created to make people ignore them
http://www.youtube.com/user/photohel...25/Qt6HjW8UnQM

I know this guy is in contact with spirit and he is getting prophetic Dream of things to come

It those not matter if you follow/listen the/to Bible or Newage when you do not do you research then you do not become aware of it.

mu2143 03-10-2010 06:21 AM

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But only the thing about Sumeria, but not the rest of that video that the he said it could not be changed!!! this of course depending on the people waking up

Derek 03-10-2010 06:31 AM

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I think I know the basic things you are referring to (mind changing matter and thoughts effecting external things) but this is exact thing that I was refuting, you seem to agree that he is untruthful selectively, but I would encourage you to see the sections of my video called Fraudulent Footnotes (about this subject), also The Maharishi Effect, The Global Consciousness Project and the section called Messages from Water You will find that all four of those sections are dealing with the one aspect of Braden's teaching that you seem to want to keep.
Yes that was part of what I was refering to. I do beleive that at least one group in the illuminati is promoting the law of attraction as being a totally self serving materialistic thing. I don't think that means that its all made up either.

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The interesting thing about this claim is that as often as its claimed I have never seen anyone attempt to prove it, Which if you think about it would be the easiest thing in the history of ancient textual criticism to do considering that there are more fragments (26,000) for the NT from the 1st century on up, so all that would need to be done is show a point in history where the texts were altered, but even the skeptic scholars don't argue this, other than minor spelling errors or similar things, the fact is that all of them agree, considering that it is the most scrutinized text (by both sides) in the history of the world, you would expect at least someone to simply point to the place where it was changed and say ah ha before this time it said this and now it says thus.

I think people tend to confuse this idea with the various modern English translations, but this is the same thing you deal with in french or Chinese or any other language that the bible is translated in, there are challenges and some things get lost in translation when going from the original to the modern but they ALL have recourse to the same unchanging Greek and Hebrew texts, a simple concordance is all anyone from any language would need, We can in fact be sure, (despite the earnest attempts of its critics for thousands of years) that the bible is the exact same thing that was written originally. see my video Council of Nicaea myth debunked
Thats interesting, I was unaware of that.
The bible was in fact written by rome though, and we both know how corrupt and power hungry the roman catholic church and that whole bloodline was. There is evidence to support books being left out as well.

and like I said above

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Do you really think the illuminati didn't get to the bible or protestant christian doctrine, but the new age movement is fully under their control?
It wouldn't make much sense that they left it all perfectly in tact.

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I understand why you would think that, but as I tried to show in the last section of the Braden video that the position is not something that can be held logically. It was C.S. Lewis a professor of philosophy and Oxford and Cambridge both when he was an atheist and after that demonstrated this so clearly C.S. Lewis - "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic"
Well I can assure you it's a very real day to day experience of gratitude for the man. I can also assure you the people that think along these lines (including myself) are much more christlike in thier behavior than most christians Ive met and am aware of. Thats not to say christians are bad or ignorant either and thats not to say that all new age people are christlike.

mu2143 03-10-2010 06:45 AM

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Isabelle's Vision this if from a child !!just found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5g-...eature=related

Derek 03-10-2010 06:56 AM

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I just watched "the maharishi effect"

Ive read all those anti TM sites and for that reason stayed far away from TM. I was really skeptical of those studies to begin with so this was no surprise to me. The fact that they were being promoted by the RAND corporation was even more suspicious.

I do however believe that meditation has an effect on other people. I believe this from experience not studies. TM is from what I understand almost like the opposite of meditation. When you meditate you feel at peace and more aware. TM makes you feel confused chaotic and unaware.
I believe this is why it was developed and promoted by the beatles and such and why it causes crime rather than decreasing it.

Knowwheretorun 03-10-2010 07:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 253210)
The bible was in fact written by rome though, and we both know how corrupt and power hungry the roman catholic church

No argument from me on the latter part, but to say that the bible was written by Rome is simply impossible, the catholic church didn't come in to existence until almost 400 years later, and before that time the Roman empire was enthusiastically trying to wipe Christianity and their bible off the face of the earth. They fed them to the lions for sport, lit them on fire for garden parties and such.

And the killings didn't stop after Rome became the catholic church either, they eventually killed more Christians than ever before, except their new reason was because the Christians wouldn't believe the wacky stuff that the Catholic Church was teaching, stuff that is 100% NOT in the bible (Mary worship, priests, saints, popes, pagan rituals and holidays.... I could go on and on)

They called people that wouldn't go along with the new version "heretics", and the rest is history.
They scared people for centuries into going along with a system that was 180 degrees opposite to what was in the bible.

The thing that will really make you do a double take is when you realize that what the Illuminati (or whatever you want to call them) was really doing with the Catholic Church is actually taking away the bible from the common man, (they said the masses in Latin, a language that almost no one understood, they told people to only let the priests tell them what it said, they actually put it on the banned books list in the 1200's! .....many many people were burned alive during the inquisitions because they chose to believe these fragments of the bible that were still circulating and not the catholic church.
Almost without exception these people were given a chance to recant and avoid any number of excruciating deaths, if they would only renounce what they read in the bible..

THAT is the mindset of the real Illuminati, they have just got better at selling their own viewpoint to people, in subtle ways that make the people think they were the ones who came up with the idea to hate Christians, never stopping to consider it was sold to them from cradle to grave, from the schools to the tv.

Derek 03-10-2010 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Knowwheretorun (Post 253218)
No argument from me on the latter part, but to say that the bible was written by Rome is simply impossible, the catholic church didnt come in to existence until almost 400 years later, and before that time the Roman empire was enthusiastically trying to wipe Christianity and their bible off the face of the earth, they fed them to the lions for sport, lit them on fire for garden parties and such.

And the killings didnt stop after Rome became the catholic church either, they eventually killed more Christians than ever before, except their new reason was because the Christians wouldn't believe the whaky stuff that the Catholic Church believes, all this new stuff by the way is not in the bible (mary worship, priests, saints, popes, I could go on and on)

The thing that will really make you do a double take is when you realize that what the Illuminati was really doing with the Catholic Church is actually taking away the bible from the common man, (they said the masses in latin, they told people to only let the priests tell them what it said) they actually put it on the banned books list in the 1200's! many many people were burned alive during the inquisitions because they chose to believe these fragments of the bible that were still circulating and not the catholic church

No Im afraid you wont find any support for this idea in the real world, neither from atheists or theists.

Yes, I agree the christians had a strong philosophy of purity, devotion, love, forgivness, and understanding which threatened the whole power structure of rome. It's no surprise they kept it well hidden from the people for hundreds of years.

If the bible is really completely in tact (and id like to see your sources on this) does that mean it's all literally true? Perhaps there was secret knowledge they were hiding in metaphor so that these secrets couldn't be used by people with bad intent (and there is research to support this).

The disciples came to Him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" (Matthew 13:10). Jesus answered, “. . .The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them'” (Matthew 13:11, 15)

Derek 03-10-2010 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Knowwheretorun (Post 253218)

THAT is the mindset of the real Illuminati, they have just got better at selling their own viewpoint to people, in subtle ways that make the people think they were the ones who came up with the idea to hate Christians, never stopping to consider it was sold to them from cradle to grave, from the schools to the tv.

Yes, but this is only happening in america and a few european countries :original:

In south america for example (where a really good friend of mine was born raised and now lives and some family members of mine lived until a couple months ago) there are very strong christians and no tv specials about Darwinian evolution and no zietgiest. From what I understand this is also the case in Russia and of course the middle east (lets not forget what religion their trashing the most).

I don't think its one big conspiracy run from the vatican. I think there are many groups all with there own interests. This is why you hear things about the jesuits, illuminati, freemasons, NWO, thule society, neocons, etc and it all gets very confusing. All of this information is out there.

I agree with you that they are trying to make people hate christians. I also think they are trying to make christians hate athiests, muslims, abortion patients etc just listen to rush limbaugh, glenn beck, or alex jones.

truth and integrity 03-10-2010 07:53 AM

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Chris White,
What a pleasure to meet you here. Several days ago, I made a decision to never come back but my soul did not want me to do it. Yesterday and today I have received the answer why I could not do it. Any way, one year ago, I have listened to your videos. However, I did not agree with you. It took me another year of hard research where I literally put my life on hold to seek the truth. One month ago, I saw you videos again, I have realized that I am on the same page with you. I was also guided to other people who shared the same view. I was so excited to notice that if we dig deep enough and ask hard questions we arrive at the same place. Chris thank you for your work, commitment, and passion for truth. What a life. My whole day I felt a deep pain and now I am singing with joy.:original:

Love to you all,
t&i

Derek 03-10-2010 08:09 AM

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Theres one more thing I wanted to say on this subject.

I don't lie
I don't steal
I don't kill
I don't covet
I don't cheat
I don't in any way hurt or manipulate someone
I love others as myself
I forgive others unconditionally
I accept others as gifts
I don't drink or take intoxicants
I try to live as pure as possible
I am completely devoted to god
I spend most of my day in gratitude for the creator and all of creation
I nurture all of creation
I offer my service to help others very often
I respect, appreciate and use the teachings of christ
I pray every day and sometimes several times a day
I bless all of my food "in the name of jesus the christ of unconditional love"

The only difference is that I do these things out of love and a genuine desire as opposed to the majority of Christians (and I live in a very religious place, most of my family is fundamentalist) doing it because they think they have to or out of fear or guilt.

john-d 03-10-2010 08:50 AM

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Some more syncronisity ...... i was watching a gregg braden movie last night on here :
http://www.maya12-21-2012.com/zero-point.html
I like him , i think he has a good message ( even if not all the data is totally accurate) . As with all researchers , you just have to take what resonates with you and leave the rest .

John

yiolas 03-10-2010 11:57 AM

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Hey knowwheretorun, I know exactly what your agenda is. You are an interloper and an intruder. You are not here to share knowledge but to spread disinformation. I've heard your radio programs and I've got your number. Spread your garbage elsewhere.

micjer 03-10-2010 12:47 PM

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I would just like to make a couple of points if I may.

First I would like to say that I do like Gregg Bradens' work. I also see nothing wrong in Chris challenging him on some of his conclusions. We are after all looking for the truth. Chris has pointed out some things that are wrong in Gregg's conclusions and I applaud him for this.

A few of his points are a bit of a stretch however. A couple of the references that Gregg used were later proven to be misquoted or not accurate, but you can hardly blame Gregg for this as it was after his presentation, (or book was written).

Chris you infer that the bible is 100% accurate and all gospels that were not included were proven to be fraudulent. (for example The Gospel of Thomas) Well this is hard to prove either way also. What about all of the other text that was not included in the bible? The writings of Mary Magdelene for example. Is this fraudulent also?

I am not a biblical scholar, but I have trouble with your assumption on this one.

Anyways debate is good and we must research everything and not take any one person's conclusions as the only truth.

:welcomeani:

Stardustaquarion 03-10-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mu2143 (Post 253189)
What people mostly do not understand is, that the newage movemend is a part of the illuminati program. They are allready aware of what is going come out in the future!!
so they put in there players to pick it up where and when it is needed and keep the people in confusion.

So most of the so called spiritual leaders are trained by the illuminati for this and there good in what they do.
There always talke half truths and fill in the part that looks like it is right, but most people stop questioning this by then and think there wonderfull!!!

There here to make sure you do not progress futher to more understanding!!!
and keep you busy with sweet talk!!!!

:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

Stardustaquarion 03-10-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor (Post 253199)
Even the "everything has been infiltrated by the illuminati" movement has been infiltrated by the illuminati!

When will it end!

AJ..

It wont dear Anchor, they have too much to lose if we awaken. It is very difficult to accept but we are in a multi-universal war that started in 2000, our minds struggle to grasp that. People does not know but Earth, not humanity, Earth is prime real estate for their plans. It has to do with stargates

Personally it took me many years and a lot of money to find the truth I was seeking, but it is again not everyones truth either and I respect that

Love

yiolas 03-10-2010 01:31 PM

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Furthermore, Gregg Braden's messages are one of the most inspiring and uplifting on the internet today. What is there to debunk? Why would you want to debunk the positive and empowering ideas that he puts forth? Why would you want to argue with the fact that humanity might be entering a golden era of peace and enlightenment ?

Stardustaquarion 03-10-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by micjer (Post 253324)
I would just like to make a couple of points if I may.

First I would like to say that I do like Gregg Bradens' work. I also see nothing wrong in Chris challenging him on some of his conclusions. We are after all looking for the truth. Chris has pointed out some things that are wrong in Gregg's conclusions and I applaud him for this.

A few of his points are a bit of a stretch however. A couple of the references that Gregg used were later proven to be misquoted or not accurate, but you can hardly blame Gregg for this as it was after his presentation, (or book was written).

Chris you infer that the bible is 100% accurate and all gospels that were not included were proven to be fraudulent. (for example The Gospel of Thomas) Well this is hard to prove either way also. What about all of the other text that was not included in the bible? The writings of Mary Magdelene for example. Is this fraudulent also?

I am not a biblical scholar, but I have trouble with your assumption on this one.

Anyways debate is good and we must research everything and not take any one person's conclusions as the only truth.

:welcomeani:

I was listening the other day, I think it was Ken Klein that said in his videos, not the C2C, that there are no original manuscripst for the Bible, not known anyway. It is possible that there may be in the Vatican but it is likely that they will not compare with the current editions of the Bible

There are also the Nag Hammadi and the apocrypha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha testaments that do contradict the official version

Basically, the Bible it is a minefield itself which is difficult to disentangle because one would need to speak Arameic oneself which very few do

Like with the Pyramids being dated to certain time, not to contradic the history of creation in the Bible, there have been many manipulations

The bottom line, Christianity is not a religion is Kristiac living, it comes from the first word of creation Ka Ra Ya Sa Ta Ha La KRYSTH LA which implies that one is aligned with Source and the natural laws of creation, like the law of cause, effect and consequence

All humans are Krysthla beings until the lose their inner light to less than 30 pct and embrace the fallen ones that are in government

Now do we really know what has been hidden from us?
We know sciences are lieing, and so most of officialdom

Where the new age information is comming from? Ancient texts? who's ancient texts?

It is a minefield and I wish I could say all is hunky dory but it isn't. Religions are not exception, they hold part truth but it is necessary to dig what is what for much has been given that is in accordance to the "great work" of the Masons too

All that can I say is we are being compell to use our discernment and to seek our own cellular memory for the way home before we get those chips

I respect all ways of thinking as there are many that hold a piece of the puzzle. Most people do what they do with good intention not knowing they are being manipulated

Seek the real sciences of creation, how things were really made, who made them, make the difficult question: I want the truth now! and the thruth will come, all you need to do is ask

Knowwheretorun, welcome, thank you for your effort and imput, I know that you have some valid points. I am not a church goer, I am not into organized religion anymore nor againt it. We are all sovereing beings if we chose to be and we do not need to give our power away to other beings. We were created by Source as Source not less from my perspective.

Love to all

truthseekerdan 03-10-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yiolas (Post 253350)
Furthermore, Gregg Braden's messages are one of the most inspiring and uplifting on the internet today. What is there to debunk? Why would you want to debunk the positive and empowering ideas that he puts forth? Why would you want to argue with the fact that humanity might be entering a golden era of peace and enlightenment ?

Agree with your post, yiolas :thumb_yello:

We all know GB is still a human and is in no way perfect.

What matters is the core message and not, "the devil is in the details".

As for me, and I suggest for everyone else here to go by this Scripture verse:
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1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 (Contemporary English Version)

21. Put everything to the test. Accept what is good
22. and don't have anything to do with evil.

~ Love & Light ~

truthseekerdan 03-10-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion (Post 253367)
I was listening the other day, I think it was Ken Klein that said in his videos, not the C2C, that there are no original manuscripst for the Bible, not known anyway. It is possible that there may be in the Vatican but it is likely that they will not compare with the current editions of the Bible

There are also the Nag Hammadi and the apocrypha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha testaments that do contradict the official version

Basically, the Bible it is a minefield itself which is difficult to disentangle because one would need to speak Arameic oneself which very few do


Love to all

Let's not forget also the Dead Sea Scrolls :original:

Stardustaquarion 03-10-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by truthseekerdan (Post 253571)
Let's not forget also the Dead Sea Scrolls :original:

Hi Truthseekerdan, I don't know if I am mistaken but I think the Nag Hammadi scrolls and the Dead Sea scrolls maybe the same?

Love

yiolas 03-10-2010 07:08 PM

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Agree with your post, yiolas

We all know GB is still a human and is in no way perfect.

What matters is the core message and not, "the devil is in the details".

As for me, and I suggest for everyone else here to go by this Scripture verse:

Quote:
1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 (Contemporary English Version)

21. Put everything to the test. Accept what is good
22. and don't have anything to do with evil.

Thanks for your words of wisdom truthseekerdan.


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