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Has anyone read the Matrix 5 books (or any of the Matrix books by Val) from the Leading Edge International Research Group web site, hosted by Val Valerian. I would be interested in your thoughts on this subject.

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it’s on my long list of ‘to read’ books – although I’ve not purchased it yet as it’s far too expensive even second hand. Any foot notes would be appreciated.

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I have all the Matrix books,, but the M5 books is in a whole new arena. It can be very upsetting.

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Horizons, I have it..but still not read it. Tell us something more...

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In 1999, the same year the Matrix V Project began, the public was shown the movie Matrix in theaters, which gave a glimpse into the possibilities inherent in technological manipulation of society and individual reality. It left a lot of people thinking about the reality in which we exist on this planet. But, there is a real Matrix that is even larger than anything even hinted at in the movie - a Matrix in which human experience on Earth is but a small part of a much larger picture - beyond society, beyond the planet, beyond the alien paradigms, beyond religion and beyond all belief systems on the 3rd and 4th densities. The "big questions" that people have on this planet - why we're here, who we really are and what life is really about - are not questions that cultures have answers for. There are plenty of "new age" paradigms around, but none of them have any real answers either, which is why people are stuck on "the eternal search" for truth. They won't find it within their Earth-bound personality, within all the paradigms that permeate all cultures on the planet that depend on identification with body and gender, and they won't find it in the paradigms of religion. Where is it, and what is really going on here on Earth?

One of the keys to discovery of the Ultimate Matrix is out-of body experience and long-time observation of what is actually out there, who we really are, and what it means to incarnate in a body here on Earth. Matrix V is all about your Higher Self, who you really are, your journey of self-discovery on this planet, and what's really going on, both here on Earth and in the density levels which lie just outside our 3rd density level. It is not based on beliefs or belief systems. The scope of the material in Matrix V exceeds that of any existing literature, which will become quite evident to the reader. If you identify with your body or your gender, or are comfortable in your "human" existence, do not buy Matrix V. You will not be ready for this advanced material, which is geared toward Advanced, Dominant and Final 3rd density incarnational perspectives. Matrix V is, no doubt, one of the most spiritually enlightening books ever printed, and at the same time to the factions that control this planet - and control anything anywhere - this is the most dangerous information ever released to mankind because it discusses who we really are, what the polarity-based control structures are really about, and the truth about incarnational experience on Earth. It is also a book that concerns accurate information about what is beyond the 3rd density and higher, based on direct observational explorations that have lasted more than a decade. It is a book that deals with the big questions in life - who we are, and why we are here.

It can be safely said that it accurately describes, based on direct observational experience, the nature of the Higher Self and human incarnations, ancient manipulation of human DNA , the genderization of the human body, the mechanics of incarnation and detailed information on the realms which we perceive when we become independent of the body after physical death. Matrix V, in effect, decodes earth reality, as well as the reality beyond the earth experience, in a way that has never been achieved in human literature. Are you a "man" or a "woman"? No. You are an androgynous being using a genderized body for experience. Only "men" and "women" buy into the cultural belief, which promotes identification with the body and gender, and they will continue to revel in Earth life and seek gratification and fulfillment of the DNA programming to which they have become slaves. The actual beginning point of these explorations started experientially with actual exploration of other densities slightly out of phase with ours, using out of body travel, however, the scope of this book far exceeds anything ever completed by Robert Monroe, author of three famous books on the subject, Journeys Out Of the Body, Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey. In fact, Matrix V Gold Edition is so far beyond the material Robert Monroe or any other explorer has ever released that it constitutes a major key for discovery for those Higher Self incarnations that are on the verge of spiraling out of this reality altogether. Think we're kidding? See link below to 32 pages of reader comments.

If you are at a position in life at this time where you seek more than what is around you in the controlled, idiotic culture we live in, more than religions, channeling, alien contactees, belief systems and the pathetic body of knowledge on this planet, Matrix V is for you. For more than two years, we have been leaking some of the information out to the public, who have responded with questions, and a tremendous body of follow-up material has developed which enhances the main series of segments which are collectively called Information for Very Advanced, Dominant and Final Incarnations.

The Second Edition of the book came out in August 2001. It featured 146 segments with 300 Q&A on the material. After 2 years have elapsed, the 600 page third and final edition (the GOLD EDITION) was released in March 2003. Much more advanced, the book has more than 340 segments (including 50 never before published), 439 Q&A on the material and a large 862 line-item index. Matrix V GOLD EDITION is the most advanced material available on the planet for those predisposed to evolving perspectives."

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K626, thank you very much, I am starting to read it:original:

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I am real intrigued to know more about this.


Thank you K626. All you wrote resonates with me as it’s what I’ve intuitively known all my life even though I cannot always articulate it. As a child I knew without doubts that everything around me was not real. I never bought into religion, money or authority for obvious reasons and as far as reincarnation goes, I’ve always saw that as yet another prison system. This books sounds very interesting and I would love to read it but probably when finances allow.

Any more info from the book would be greatly appreciated.

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Get it here http://pdfdatabase.com/matrix-v-gold-edition.html :thumb_yello:

Just tried one of the links but you have to be a member so I wont bother

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Thanks for the link Swanny - but the membership isn't free but it's a lot less than the cost of the book. I'll keep a note of the link for later on. :thumb_yello:

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Found a link where you can read excerpts for those who are interested.

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/excerpts/

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/segments/



Also a long running thread on Matrix 5 on David Icke’s form;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831

Better get reading.

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This thread you posted has some really good info on it, and I am not finished reading it yet. It is good to read what other readers have said about the M5 project. It is truly a different kind of read. I'll have more to say later...

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This is a good review from a certain perspective. I will say the the M5 project will challenge you in new ways and make you THINK more then you might have otherwise. At this point I will not state as to the validity of the work - it is what it is - it could be the most profound work you have read or the most dangerous books ever written, or fall somewhere in-between. It is the reader must decide.

please, K, elaborate.
 

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The post by k626 is from the M5 website, he is not the author of it unless he is The Author.

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:mfr_omg::furious: I really hope he is the author.

Good detective work Horizons - respect.:thumb_yello:

who is K?
 

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Here is the source:
http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

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Thanks for the link. Just had a quick look and looks pretty good.

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Not bad, I read some of the excerpts.. I like the guy's common sense and no-nonsense style :).. although the information is rather unrefined and too much built upon the Monroe framework of the astral. The great value is that it is based on practical astral projections.. but when you've had such a strong infuence by the framework of Monroe.. then those astral travels are greatly distorted and filter out any waves that don't fit the framework (for example the Monroe institute made astral projections for months or even years before they met anything alive.. simply because this was not the belief structure of the travelers at the time)

In any case personally I'd recommend Seth Speaks (the 1st book) a lot more.. the same themes explained into a much more dense, refined and inter connected structure from the point of view of 5th density rather than 3rd..

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Thanks for your remarks, I liked your viewpoint on the possible influence of the Monroe Inst on his experiences. Surely the foundation of our belief structures has a bearing on what we experience, especially in the Astral.

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I've subscribed to this thread! Way back in the mid 80's I began experiencing a frightening phenomena in and around the sleep state as though something was trying to pull me out of my body (this began after I had practiced lucid dreaming for a while). I would wake up (w/body paralysis in the sleep state) and I'd "hear/feel" a frequency that would begin to rise, that felt like something was "taking" me, it was very frightening and would impose itself on me. I never knew when it would happen and took all of my might to resist.

I then wrote Charles Tart (author of Altered States of Consciousness) and he wrote back advising me to get in touch with Robert Monroe. Within a week I met a lady who ("coincidentally") plopped Monroe's book in my hand.. (synchronicity all over the place)... and, come to find that he described ExactLy what was happening to me and referred to himself (and me or anyone else) as the unfortunate ones, those that actually experience the transitioning from lucid mind through the process of going out of body (most people just find themselves out). It began as an imposition for him too.

It was very frightening but his book was comforting in that he gave advice on how to work with it. Anyway, I really didn't want to do that much after awhile as something told me that because of my ignorance of what's out there in the astral, that I might heed caution, which I did. Not to mention that I might examine my belief system. That was the start of it all for me back then, the fringe topics! My experience with the times that I actually made it out of body using his techniques I found that whatever I thought would likely manifest and I knew that I was not in control of my thoughts to such a level that I would be fearless (then)...also I "heard" feminine voices (two) speaking to me that "we are always there to help". I said WhoTF are "we"? I wanted outathere!!!

I went on from there into a spontaneous kundalini rising, now really knowing what it was... all before the internet. Man, how much I've learned since then. Still I'm cautionary but have a mighty intuitive mode that I do trust!

Now here I am immersed in Ash'a Deane's work and now about to order Matrix V. .... much more cognizant of shielding/protection & 2 way communication w/my Higher aspects and such. I'm SO glad I'm not "normal".

Enjoying this thread alot!

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Can one dive directly into the M5 book or should the earlier books be read first? (I am presuming there are 1,2,3 and 4?)

Z

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See link on post #18 above

You can start on M5 if you are ready - and only you can decide that. There are 4 volumes to the Matrix V series. Matrix 1, 2, 3 and 4 can be found at trufax

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i see you are also merged with your Higher Self :original: he looks just like my Higher Self too!!

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Hello Moxie, it is because of posters like yourself that I am attracted to this forum.

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"Females - The current thrust by American and other western females for domination over males is Orion Empire instigated. This is like a cat wanting to become a dog, a tree wanting to become a fish and so on. The purpose of the female gender (from the simultaneous point of view) was to have a totally different experience than the male, not to have an equal experience. This 'same experience idea is sequentially incarnating trait and seeks to undo the simultaneously incarnating path. The current female problem is one of the most serious threats to the simultaneously incarnating paths on earth today. On the other hand, it is one of the most important features of the Orion Empire and the sequentials' objective in the game.....You cannot escape the game and graduate to higher matters until you are aware of this problem and your body has overcome the alien DNA commands to 'serve the female'...

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Huh??

I must admit after my casual perusal of this material, I am a bit confused by this particular. Does this 'shim' presuppose the male experience to be the standard by which the female seeks a 'different' experience, the male being the prime reality...or what exactly is shim getting at here...

this sounds like buggery-at least this part, some of it is kind of interesting, I will say.

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I met some real females, not in western countries but, for example, some groups of Somali women -- females with female power, not females with male power. But this is simply bowing to the experience of polarities as i now choose to experience within the polarity of darkside and lightworker. All polarities, dualities get merged, and I suppose I simply go to a place where they do not even exist.

As a spirit who is aware of its androgynous nature I still feel a need to experience being a true feminine -- it does me no harm.

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Holy... I have to retract my statement :).. anyone who states the following has clearly lost the plot in my opinion

This goes against all the major systems of reality I tend to agree with (Law of one by Ra, Seth speaks, personal experiences of my own etc).. Also for anyone to state they have the 100% of truth and that it is completely undebatable into the system of reality we are in right now.. is pure ignorance on their part.. There are always distortions to any kind of information as a result of personal bias or misconceptions (something repeated over many times in the law of one channeling for example)... so even though the author might have done OBEs .. those are hardly objective as anyone with any real experience will tell you... one single stray subconcious thought or program and you are completely lost in the experience..

I'd really just stick to the Seth Speaks book 1 (haven't read the others, maybe they are just as good) for a well done explanation about the dynamics of incarnations/individual experience. I can't think of any reason why one would bother with the inferior Matrix5 material (which ironically claims to be the most supreme and truth containing book ever in the whole human history...lol... incredible)

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The Author states that these are "his" experiences and you need your observations from "your" experiences. What this material does is challenge you at a very deep level to examine what it is you do and why. I too had trouble with several parts of the material but when I looked objectively at why the Author said what he said from his experience, how that made me feel, and is there any truth to it within my experience, I could then see things from a new perspective. Why is it that I am a het? Is it because I "need" a female or because I desire spiritual union? If it is because I desire spiritual union then gender wouldn't really matter because there is no gender in spirit, and sex for sex is not spiritual, but intimacy is. To read the material "correctly" is to read without bias, which is very difficult for us to do. And you also need to read more than a page or two to even come close to what is contained within. If you are not drawn to the materials then let it go without judgment and you will be the better for it. This is not for everyone to be sure.

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I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x:naughty::wink2:

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An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

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Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.:thumb_yello:

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If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow :lol3:

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

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Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big!:naughty: It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

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Sacrilege to be sure--I stand corrected :wink2: I have read about halfway through the DI thread and there are some good comments within it. Without a doubt controversy does/will surround this work, for it is difficult at first to understand where the Author is coming from, and many never will; and that is OK too. One of the main points is to regain you power from the external back to the within and to remain in a Balanced state of awareness. This way we are not drawn into the "game matrix" way of things and gives us a backdoor out of all these trappings. (Which seem to abound on all levels of human consciousness.)

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Yes, a lot of it has to do with the ‘matrix’ – as if that wasn’t enough Icke’s new book in on the ‘moon matrix’ – everything is a matrix!:lol3:

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The moon matrix??? :shocked: Crap, this matrix is enough for me to deal with, besides I am not planing a trip to the moon any time soon. :lmfao: But it will probably be an interesting read.

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It would be an interesting read. According to Icke his new book contains new info including about the moon. The info about the moon I'm already aware of and have done some clearing work concerning the moon. Am interested to see what he says about its matrix though - darn, more books to read!:lol3: