09/18/09 Webbot Cliff High with Veritas Show
 

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Northern: where is the rest of the vids.....I have gone through every single page of vids on youtube & cannot find the other 17 parts.......agh!

Why can't these vids be uploaded in sequence so they can be found together.

Sorry I very frustrated with not being able to find the rense interviews also.

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Here is all 18 parts for the Veritas show...

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If you want the playlist, click on the user name webbotproject. On the user page on the lower right side will be the play list versions. Just hit Play All.
Bill "the Doctor"

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was just about to post this sved me the job thnks.. has anyone got a download of the veritas shopw on chemtrails yet??

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Listening to it meself, intersting comment about fluoride in irish water to keep us stupid during the troubles, I have been told that there is no fluoride in N. Irish water unlike the rest of the UK, and recently the republic of ireland. I think it was stimulants we got, we have been fighting for 800 years:lmao:

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But but we gave them a moon rock!!!! So what if it's proven to be petrified wood, it's proof trees were once prevalent on the moon! :lol3:

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Thanks Bill.....its so much easier this way. Have written it down....lest I forget.:naughty:

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I thought it was the Guiness:mfr_lol:

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Those that want to view this should view it now as a copyright infringement has taken place and you tube are going to remove it

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They havent pulled it but its now 'private'. I couldnt access it, if anyone knows of a free to view post of these videos please post here.....thanks..

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Hello folks,

I did report the copyright infringement. You can come to http://www.veritasshow.com and listen to segment one there for free. Just like this forum depends on your subscription to survive, Veritas depends on memberships to survive. Segment two requires a membership.

Cheers,

Mel

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You can listen to all 18 episodes here..

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People don't learn that this material is copyrighted. I hate to use legal terms but I have already warned someone yesterday.

I am very disappointed that people do not have $1.25 to pay for a show.

Mel

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Right On Mel :trumpet:& Team:mfr_lol:,
Cheers
SWIFT

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Vidya Moksha,

If you would be so kind to read the above post in which I've already indicated that this is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, perhaps you wouldn't be perpetuating the behavior by plastering my material here.

My attorneys are already in contact with the person who posted the show for the second time.

Thank you.

Mel Fabregas
The Veritas Show

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I agree Mel...and keep up the great work..it's always a pleasure to listen to your shows...I've been a little busy lately ...but the interview with Sanni Ceto was brilliant!...especially part two..but you have to be a member :thumb_yello:

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I'd like to add..I've watched Mel blossom into one of the best interviewers of the year..he does not inject his opinion..he searches for the facts and strives for the truth at every turn...well worth the membership :naughty:

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Dear Brook,

Thank you for your vote of confidence and kind remarks. In nine months, I have learned a lot and keep learning. You are a member and I thank you for your support.

Best regards,

Mel

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Mel...you always have my support...and for those who are not members..the first half of the interview is available for FREE at his website..only the second half is for members...and to support his work is something you should all think about..he does a great job...and deserves the support.

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I disagree with Mel's business model simply because it old world scarcity.

Info should be free like we intend all black ops info be disclosed and released and available for those seeking it.

putting it behind a barrier of debt paper is counter productive.

I have helped individuals make millions of dollars and could help Mel bank without loosing so many potential customers.

the current 1st hour free model sucks, and like i said is counter productive to the everything-open-source model that the world is moving towards. Thus the Veritas show lacks the integrity that it stands to represent. This is why it is not as successful as Mel wished it would be.

This all being said, i must say that when it WAS free i was very impressed with Mel's style and guests and was an avid fan even subscribing to the podcast. Since the business model was implemented i havent even paid attention to whose been on.

I saw the Cliff high interview on YouTube and downloaded it with a new respect for Mel thinking that Cliff insisted it be available for free.
Only thing was i downloaded only part of the interview. I am missing parts 12-15 and anything after 16. evidently my download helper didnt work for those episodes.

i was disheartened to find it pulled off Youtube when i arrived at my next hotel.

now im left on my cross country trip without those parts. sux right? yeah

find a better business model Mel.
The future is free, and there's money all around us now.
email me if you want some ideas how to get more fans, make some money, and have the show be free like it should be.

-X

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Well...we always have the option to listen to Bill and Kerry for free :naughty:
But My guess is there are expenses to a radio show and web site...even Bill and Kerry charge for their membership to the forum...I for one like the quality of the interviews Mel does...so I don't mind paying for the membership for a quality listen

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I wanted to follow this up with some history and fractal relation to another industry i am involved with.... The Music Industry.

It has taken a **** due to piracy issues and downloads.

The Music industry itself has lost around 18 billion dollars a year for the past for or five years due to piracy issues and digital downloads.

Instead of go with the customer demand, the market demand for free music, they have sued and brought legal charges against their very clientele.....retarded? yes.

Instead of getting creative and innovative with money streams they fought the wave and are LOOSING. BADLY.

this is why you have crappy artists making it big time...because the big record companies have to keep running their musical business model and re-fabricate the same old acts with different names.

Prince did a great job monetizing his music ina different way. He charged the normal price for his concert, and INCLUDED a FREE CD that scanned by soundscan and made the top of the charts on Billboard.

Radiohead asked for donations or whatever you wanted to pay for a disc on their website. you could have paid nothing...and still gotten a CD. They Made more money doing that then they would have just charging regular price.

Now granted, these are both well established acts who were around "before the fall" as it were.

Nowadays any act that wants to mke ANY sort of ripple in the collective sound wave and get recognition needs to look at their music as "Marketing."

free...giveaway.... marketing and include the cost of production in the business model AS marketing. Not as an investment which they expect a return on. The real product is their live performance, or merchandise, or ..... the other ways which i'm not about to reveal just yet as i am currently implementing them myself. But you will eventually see the results.

point is...our "creative" that is to say our artwork, interviews, videos, etc...is FREE. you cant OWN it. intellectual copyright is a thing of the past. WOOF WOOF. truth be told, it doesnt originate with you the artist ANYWAY. it is inspired and therefore belongs in the realm of belonging to the universe. and you cant own that any more than you can own a piece of land.

monkey minded humans think they can own land, and can justifying killing people because of it, but that's because their un-evolved. Original Peoples knew the truth. My people Knew the Truth. We are caretakers of land. We are partners and brothers and sisters of land.

our music exists without us to sing it, but we give it life in this world as parents. the beats born from the drum are living things, we give birth to them with our hearts. We dont own them. just as parents don't own their children but guide them so too is our music, our art, our videos, our interviews, our passions.

They belong to universe and we just care for them.

this is abundance and this is truth.

and when you step this way, you will be guided and cared for and your needs met for you to be able to do the work.

....and if your creative and innovative....you can live a rockstar lifestyle with a budget for tithing and vacationing bigger than most people make in a year....

WOOF!
-X

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Great post Thunderbird... I agree that one can make more money being creative than being restrictive :thumb_yello:
I also believe I may have been the second one to post this on this thread and I do apologize for the copyright infringement, as id did not know. If I knew those were the rules, I would not have posted. I'm not that computer savvy to know the do's and don'ts, I just copy and paste. The extent of my computer savviness. I apologize and will be more careful.
I have not been contacted and hope not to be for my lack of knowledge :thumb_yello:

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thanks!! :thumb_yello:

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Hi all,
Is it a common term for not paying for something call a freeloader?
Cheers
SWIFT:wink2:

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Thunderbird, let me ask you and anyone else who believes my show should be for free. Do you pay $5 per month to be posting here? I presume the answer is yes. That is exactly what I charge per month.

I have a suggestion for you and anyone who may be attempting to listen and read people's hard work for free. Try to produce a show and spend countless hours with your own time when you have businesses to run and a family to tend to and then come back to me and say you would love to do it for free. You will go bankrupt and will be divorced.

I embrace anyone who loves the open source concept. However, I consider my show to be done with the utmost quality. No one is forcing you to listen. I provide the first hour (87 minutes this week) for free. If you don't feel that's enough preview, then don't listen. If you listen to other shows, you will notice they are full of commercials. I don't have one single sponsor or commercial.

Next week's show comes directly from Norway (3.5 hours) uninterrupted. Try listening to that anywhere else without spending another 2-3 hours of commercials. Do you think I work for free? I'm being honest. My time is valuable and my resources are not free.

In summary, and respectfully, if you don't want to pay $1.25 per show (or $5 per month), which gives you a forum like this and a member chat system where you can chat with my guests, SIMPLY DO NOT LISTEN.

Should a book author spend a year writing a book so that you can read it for free? Absolutely not. Have you been in business for yourself? I bet you have not. For if you did, you would understand that labor and resources cost money, and when you don't have a lifeline to continue the effort, the business dies.

So to those of you who continue criticizing my efforts, simply don't listen and listen to other radio shows that will make you endure commercials and countless interruptions. That is the only way they can survive, unless they also adopt a subscription model. I am proud of Veritas' growth because guests really talk and members are really joining. Why? Do I really have to answer? I'm sure you've figured it out by now.

Let's agree to disagree and start your own show if you wish, but I would appreciate it if you don't endorse/condone people who STEAL my intellectual property. And please, to anyone who may come and say that Project Camelot is free, think again. Bill and Kerry do an outstanding job, but they have sponsors and a subscription model that was adopted on this very forum so they can continue doing what they do best.

So before you continue criticizing, have all your facts straight. It is becoming futile to reason sometimes. That's the way it's going to be. It was either adopting a subscription model or killing the show. Period.

This last show with Clif High took a long time in production and it was a 3-hour with absolutely no help. Would you like to make a product and have everyone steal it? Because that's exactly what happened here. Learn intellectual property law before you continue perpetuating this.

Respectfully,

Mel Fabregas
Veritas

P.S. By the way, you say you have helped people make millions and you are paying $5 per month here, yet, you don't agree for me to also charge $5, you haven't helped me, but you expect everything I do to be for free? Explain the reasoning behind your logic because I absolutely do not understand it.

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Indeed, you have the option to listen to Bill & Kerry's work for free. However, I am paying to be posting here. How much? $5.00 per month; which is exactly what I charge. Now, do you think that B&K should subsidize this too? Absolutely not.

I appreciate people like Brook who support my efforts. I don't charge for my forum. It is an added benefit.

B&K don't charge for their interviews, but charge for this forum. I have the same model but backwards. How is it different?

Best,

Mel

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To Angel in Disguie and anyone else. Why don't you start your own project and take countless hours researching topics and guests and try to do a high quality show? It is true that it is a compliment when someone tries to steal my intellectual property. Something must of interest. However, do any of you smoke or drink a soda? How much is a soda these days? How much is a pack of cigarette these days. I don't know because I don't drink soda nor do I smoke. However, I guarantee it that you will derive more benefits by listening to my show or participating in this great community than smoking or drinking a soda.

Put things in perspective, and maybe, just maybe, you will see the big picture. When I am able to load my show with commercials, then it will be okay to air it for free. In the meantime, I ask everyone to respect my intellectual rights to do with my show what I deem to be the best.

Sincerely,

Mel

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That's exactly right SWIFT. I have a few other names for that which I will not use, in order not to cross the decorum line.

But look, go to the FREE SUBSCRIPTION link of my Web site: http://www.veritasshow.com and you will find ways to obtain a FREE SUBSCRIPTION.

I am a true believer in reciprocity. If you provide value to me, I will reciprocate. If anyone is qualified to transcribe a show, I will give you a 3-month subscription. If you have any ideas that will translate into value to Veritas, you will also be considered.

However, no one should expect value coming your way by just kicking back and listening without helping me. Bill has Kerry and Kerry has Bill, and many great volunteers (kind souls). I have absolutely no one helping me.

How would you like go to the movie theater and watch one our or more of the movie before you bought your ticket? That would be great, wouldn't it? Especially with some many disappointing movies we watch every so often. I give you an hour or more so you can decide if it's worth it or not. It is your choice to listen and move on or buy it, not to steal it. That is a very simple equation and I'm having a hard time understanding how some just don't get it.

So before you continue expecting something for free, ask yourself this question: Are you providing any value? If not, why are you expecting any value? Listening is not enough.

Thank you.

Mel

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Hi Manticore (Mel & Team):mfr_lol:,
Spot my son and stealing is stealing.:thumb_yello:
Move like a butterfly and sting like bee my friend,:lightsabre:
Cheers
SWIFT

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Yes Mel...many of these FREE things we take for granted take much more then you realize..for instance...those Music videos you all watch for free....My son does lighting for them once and a while..besides doing movies and television...well one of the pieces of equipment he has just paid off..is a Lighting board that is no bigger then the size of a normal dining table..but cost him $50,000.00...and he just got two lights each costing $15,000.00...computerized of course...and his skills to learn to operate these came for a college course that also cost him money.....three different courses to be exact.
In reality...these things take money to put together...they may be free on You Tube..however these videos require...Producers, Cameramen, Editors, Sound techs...and they choose these professions to make money to feed their families....until a new paradigm comes along and money is not required....these things require it for your viewing pleasure.

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Had i know this was not released thru mel I wouldn`t have posted it I have apologized to mel . Cliff just did a show the day before with Jeff Rense i believe it is on the site somewhere don`t blame mel for protecting his work he has to eat just like you do . Bandwidth is not free and he does a quality job his shows are second to none out there and from what i have heard going to get better

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I understand all of this which is why I apologized for my copy and paste illiteracy. I truly do apologize Mel and am willing to donate to your radioshow for having made such a mistake. I am an avid word spreader so to speak. This show was something I wanted to spread because of it's importance and there 'copied and pasted'. I understand your hard work and appreciate it... had no idea it was copyright infringement because it was readily available. Once again I apologize and understand your position... As I;'m sure you understand mine in being unaware yet wanting to spread the news :wink2:

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No need to apologize Northern Boy. I know you and because it came from YouTube, I would have thought it was fair game. However, my issue is wit those who insist after I have already notified them of the copyright violation.

In all honesty, I would love to do this for free if I had all the money and time in the world. The reality is that I don't. How many of you have heard Kerry say that she may not have money to pay next month's rent? Do you think that's a great position to be in?

As Brook well stated, until the paradigm changes and money is not an issue, I have to do things this way. I have to remove myself from the business that supports my family and I, in order to do the show. I have to pay to have someone replace me and I have to pay for the products and services needed. Believe me, this is my passion and I think this is what I was intended to do and would more than love to do it for free, but I can't.

Cheers,

Mel

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Dear Angel in Disguise,

Apology accepted. Thank you. I'm not trying to rip anyone off; just as Bill and Kerry are not either. But we have to make ends meet. That's all. By the way, Bill and Kerry will be on my show in the next few weeks. We have already corresponded and are working on dates. I'm excited that we will be interacting with each other for the first time.

I left ATS to join this forum and I never looked back. This is a great place full of great people and this forum has been instrumental in the success of my show. I will never forget that. I don't want any negativity or animosity between us. To the contrary.

Namasté,

Mel

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I fully understand your position and wonder if there is anyway we can all brainstorm to get it out to the general 'sleeping' population and make you more profitable at the same time?!?!... I would love to help your cause, any ideas???

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I have an open door policy and welcome all ideas. That is why I offer a free subscription to anyone who can help transcribe. I'm sure brainstorming would be a good start.

Best,

Mel

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I'm just glad to be part of show by membership...it was great hearing how you handled that interview with Sanni Ceto....WOW....not many could have handled it that well...that could have been a great disaster...but you were sooooo good...OMG... how you did that I have no idea..but great job :thumb_yello:

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Hmmm. If we went viral with your radio shows via facebook etc and asked for donations, do you think you would make more? Or are people to cheap to donate for something that awakens them to what our small society already knows which you elaborate on extensively?... I find your radio show to answer a lot of questions that saves me the time in explaining to people who don't have a clue. Nonetheless we never pay attention to those that care and look out for our best interest yet we always have respect for those we do not know who validate that which those who love us have always been saying... Does what I am saying make sense?... It does in my world and when people hear things I have been saying forever from an unknown sourse it's then and only then that they jump on the bandwagon and gain so much respect for what has been revealed.