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I hesitated to begin this thread. I am torn. I want truth and goodness to triumph...yet achieving this is a very painful process. The history of our world is very sad and violent. No organization or country has escaped this brutal gang of facts. The history of the Vatican is a huge part of our history...and this includes all of us. There should be no angry finger pointing. The video which I am posting is critical...yet not hateful or vindictive. I am offended by the cartoons, photoshopped pictures of the Pope, hurtful internet comments, etc, etc. There should not be a hateful, superior, triumphalistic, or sing-song attitude manifested toward anyone or any organization.
This includes the Vatican.

Everyone should research the Vatican...whether they are religious or not. There are so many aspects of our historical and contemporary world which are interconnected with the Vatican. All roads lead to Rome. I'm not a Roman Catholic...and I never have been...but I have attended dozens of masses and concerts. I adore the art, architecture, and music...even the art and architechture with pagan aspects. I have been in many cathedrals...and I have been to the Vatican. It is truly impressive.
I have had very good luck with the Roman Catholics I have known and worked with...including priests and musicians. They are doing the best they can.

However, there is something which seems to torment the soul of the Roman Catholic Church. I fear that the heirarchy has to deal with unimaginable problems...which may include dealing with the devil himself(or herself). They may be caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Does the Vatican mediate between Lucifer and the Human Race? Is it the Human Race vs the Underworld? We may be in more trouble than we think. Watch the following video with an open and non-judgmental mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0IC...relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot7Gx...relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2a9G...relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxmhp...relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvXZ-...relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXFre...relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 6

Now watch these videos...and ask yourself if there is a connection:

1. http://www.viddler.com/explore/kakhama/videos/2/
2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71240361070544
3. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30379439989634

Connect the Dots. Respond Responsibly.

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OK...this is creepy. When I posted the links on this thread...they all worked fine. But 30 minutes later...part 5 didn't work...and a few minutes later part 3 quit working. The other parts worked fine. I noted this on the thread...and now they are all working...so I edited the post. Now you see 'em...now you don't. Yesterday...Part 1 of 'V' on Google didn't work while Part 2 did. Now they both work. The sequence is scrambled in both the YouTube and Google versions. I am sane...aren't I?

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They all work Ortho :thumb_yello:

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Wow! This is spooky... :mfr_omg:

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Any thoughts or reaction to the video? Tell me what you think...positive or negative.

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Once again...I'm seeing very little interest in something which I think is extremely important. I'd like to discuss this in a rational and charitable manner. The better we deal with this sort of thing...the more willing the insiders will be to reveal more...and work toward resolving this mess...together as We the People of Earth.
Please take the time to consider these videos as a group...and tell me what you think.

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Hi Brother Ortho - going through the videos now and will be happy to discuss them with you once I am done.

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Thank-you. I alternate between not wanting to think about this stuff at all...and wanting to really help solve this mess...and help the human race to move on to bigger and better things than war, starvation, financial crisis, meaninglessness, etc, etc. The solution...in retrospect...may be very, very simple...yet it may take thousands of years to recognize this answer to any significant degree...apply it globally...and rescue ourselves. Think about the Vatican, Tesla, Advanced Technology, Underground Bases and Cities, City States, Atlantis, Lemuria, Lucifer, the Nazis, and the New World Order. Then read what I have written below.
Then take a long walk...face yourself...and think long and hard.

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I have too. ortho - You have a lot of assignments! I didn't watch the whole V thing you suggested, but I did jump into the voodoo pit just now to begin watching the first video on your list. I had to break, to post this - it was in the info section of the first video.

'The Maya's "Long Count" calendar marks the end of every 5126-year era. A previous cycle ended 13,363 years ago--*during the age of Leo*, at the same time when the Earth was struck by comets and asteroids.'

Remember? It came up in your Red Letter Church thread (and personally) for me.

peace

PS I am going to take some amulet, prayer protection, gargoyle maybe, by the sounds of this topic.

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This is very important and I will give you my honest opinion and watching this tonight brings me the strength to do just that.

I was raised Roman Catholic and raised in a strict home with six sisters. I attended 9 years of private schooling and this whole experience ruined my life!

I was filled with remorse for sinning everyday of my life even though I didnt know this until recently.

When I first seen information regarding the vaticans hand in aiding the Nazi's that should of been punished and started reading up on paper clip and MK brainwashing...................I cried for three weeks. I was devastated with this and almost lost my husband because he thought I had finally cracked up. I know what it's like to be labeld schizzo ! I still have people rolling their eyes at me. I know now to keep things to myself in some instances. My husband comes to me with his little discoveries now and I just have to chuckle inside.

I will say that with all that I learned growing up wasn't all that bad as I was taught how to be kind and generous.

Still, you try to discredit these things because it's against all that you were taught and then you become furious of the lies and the way the nuns and priest made you feel guilty for so much. So many in my family have turned their backs on me thinking that I am surely going to hell now. They pity me and ask me not to contact them. It hurt at first, but now, I feel as if I am the strong one. I do not pity them as they pity me. I wish them the best and pray that they are able to talk to someone when it is their turn to "wake up". I hope they will come to me.

I had one man tell me............Good luck on your path and to say that I will not like what I find........Boy did he have that down.

I do believe in God, our creator and still I do believe in Jesus.....I come to think of him as a rebel as I now see Ron Paul, Dennis Kuchinvich, David Icke,Alex jones, John F Kennedy and Abraham LIncoln and so so many others.

All the whistleblowers on Camelot are getting the word out there as well. So so many are getting the word out.

I look back and wonder how the world could of been so blind and all the ones that still are.

I wonder if I hadn't moved in with the man I finally married 38 years ago if I would be on this site. Because he was Lutheran and was married before I left the church. I walked around loving him and damning myself for sinning and life could of been so much better without that "load of crappy guilt" I carried.

I am feeling pretty smug lately knowing that my whole life is changing and it's all for the better.............


Thank you for posting these videos as when I watched them this time, the only new thing was the part of -not eating fish on friday- was new to me. I played it three times and now laugh thinking boy I was dumb...................LOL

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Have you ever watched 'Brides of Christ'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQgHC...eature=related If not...please do...it's really good...and made me cry. The human race has so much negative baggage. I don't hate anyone or any organization. I just want the human race to get out of the quicksand. This may take a long time...and a lot of pain. I think that eventually the human race will emerge with a highly ethical secular spirituality which will not involve church attendance, rituals, or hocus pocus of any kind. I believe that we survive our physical deaths...and simply get recycled...whether we are good or bad. This makes it all the more important that we create a better world to return to. This is our home.

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Now that is not something I ever even heard of


I'm listening to William Cooper again that you had untop. I am actually picking up alot that I didnt the first time I heard him. My biggest surprise is how long it has been since this appeared for the very first time until today. so much wasted time.

I really appreciate you putting these up there to review.


I have all the faith in the world that WE WILL succeed and save the human race. Anyhow, whose to say this is the only way? The ET's are just as important as we are.

visit my friends site.................www.laurenzimmerman.com and read some of her blogs on The God Experience. You will see what I mean.

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Hardcore Catholic guilt is a bitch to undo the brainwashing on. I have a minor amount of Catholic guilt, but I don't let it mess with my life as it's mostly control mechanisms.
Bill "the Doctor"

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OK got through it all. I'm a bit tired so may have to save more explanation for a later time.

Where to start...

1st off thank you so much for posting the "Jesus: The Last Pharaoh" links - really outstanding.

Let me say that I see a lot of truth in all of the information. Most of it isn't new to me - there are many other sources that corroborate and further enhance every bit of it. All roads do in fact lead to (and from) Rome. It doesn't take a large leap of faith to recognize that the Vatican is not and never was what it seemed. Ask yourself the simple question.... would an organization representing the deepest understanding and practice of biblical wisdom engage in the kinds of horrendous indiscretions that make up the historical Catholic rap sheet? Do these people look and act like good Christians?

The historical information clearly demonstrates that these ya-hoos are playing the biggest game of populace enslavement that this planet has ever seen... the examples are too numerous to cite. Theft and control of all information: Alexandria, Crusades, 3rd Reich Nazi plundering of Europe, North Africa along with the channeled technologies; 4th Reich Nazis - includes Ararat anomaly, sunken cities, plunder of Baghdad, reverse engineered technologies from alien craft/personnel; free energy - reference any number of scientists and inventors who were sacked and killed. Nikola Tesla had access to a microbe of this information and look what he was able to do. Add in mind control through disinformation, indoctrination and fear: religion, good and evil, witch hunts, the Inquisition, hell and damnation and externalization of sovereignty/messiahs. Political/financial control through blackmail, assassination, payola, secret organizations and clubs and any other kind of subterfuge known to man. And yes, let's add the pyramid scheme known as the Catholic tithe system whereby each church on the planet pays dues to the central authority... wonder how many billions that conjures up every year. Are they using a few billion of that to solve world famine (which could be done rather easily with that kind of change let me add)? Or are they engaging in "special secret projects" while paying simple lip service to the real ills of the world?

Illuminati = left arm. NWO = right arm. No doubt there are plenty of fingers, toes and butt cheeks in the mix, however only 1 head/brain fits the bill. Who could be the big mastermind? In the minds of the unconscious, what is the most absurd answer to this question, thus the last place anyone would look? Who is the richest, most powerful organization on earth - free of taxation, ridicule, prosecution... all under the guise of humble and faithful service to God and his children? Look no further than the Vatican. Knowledge is power. They control all of the knowledge.

As far as why? To what end? By what forces? Assume the worst... and it's probably not even close. However, in the end, all paths lead back to oneness. Each serves a purpose, no matter how devious and sinister their plans and intentions may be. You see the negativity in these truths and they inform you as to what you are and what you are not. Simply flow from that point... there isn't anything that you have to do other than what you feel compelled to do. We have all asked ourselves the same questions... many of us come up with a simple answer in the end. You cannot wake people up that aren't ready. In fact in some cases it may even be a violation of their free will. REF: LLRESEARCH - LINK1.
The only thing you have to do is work on yourself. You are a prism bringing forth light into wherever you are. Whatever you are feeling and going through has an impact on those around you and on the planet as a whole; therefore, you have an opportunity at every moment to make a difference... without having to do anything at all. (REF: LLRESARCH - LINK2).

As an adjunct to the historical and spiritual subjects referenced by all of this information, I would encourage everyone to read the Law of One series - especially books 1-2. This was the information that tied everything together for me from all of the research I have done (spiritual, political, historical, conspiratorial) LLresearch is a continuation of this work and has hundreds of extremely valuable transcripts.

For anyone struggling with identity and purpose, I highly recommend works by Eckhart Tolle who is an excellent spiritual guide.

Sleepy time... Night all.

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Whew - I got through most of it. Mostly I enjoy reading everyone's thoughtful comments here. The Vatican videos were another interesting overview. Nothing seemed to jolt me (not even the demonology bits). There does seem to be a relationship between sexual dysfunction/abuse/aberration and the world's power elites, and that's not new, and they can afford it; if 'Satan' gets things sexier with blood, death, whatnot, the whoop-dee-doo for weirdo secret societies - naturally, it is secret because it's probably criminal.

Maybe I'm tired, but I think the Big Energies (good & bad) are mostly people's collective emotional magnetism congealing around a story.

I liked Bill Cooper's talk, which seemed to sum up a lot of information about the secret UFO/ government thing. I found what looks to be similar text only here: http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/cooper.html Also, he was the guy, apparently, who came up with the word 'illuminati' in the antisemitic hoax, The Protocols of Elders of Zion. http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/cooper_m.html

Commander X looked a bit bogus to me - I tuned out. I've already seen Endgame. So, it seems like there's information, but we can't know it.

your fervent energy, orthodoxymoron! that's cool :thumb_yello:

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Exelent, I will see that!

No Angry feelings! Just exposing what happens!

Cheers!

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Thanks for your comments.

Could the UFO/ET phenomenon be from within Earth...rather than from outer space? Could 'alien' technology be ancient human(or reptilian) knowledge? Could the city states...including the Vatican...be controlled from within Earth? Is much of the ET phenomenon really demonic in nature? Is Earth's crust riddled with tunnels, cities, and bases? Is nuclear weaponry, anti-gravity, free-energy, and other space-age technology really from the Vatican Library...and/or other ancient texts stored underground...rather than back engineered from outer-space UFO's? Is that giant Earth sculpture representative of what is really within Earth? Could many of the church atrocities have been ordered from within Earth...rather than by deranged power and money hungry surface humans? Is the true God of the Universe largely shut out of Earth...leaving surface humans to deal with powerful human and reptilian beings(both physical and spiritual) from within Earth? Is the Pope the Vicar of Lucifer...rather than the Vicar of Christ? Does the church or Pope have any real choice in the matter? Are we really dealing with basically good people...negotiating with and battling dark underground forces?

Am I a paranoid, neurotic, deluded wretch who is blaspheming God...and will be punished in the flames of hell...after the Jesuits get done with me? I'm sort of kidding...and sort of serious! I really mean well...and am trying to help...but there is the possibility that I am making things worse by raising these issues. My mind is not made up on any of these subjects...and probably never will be. I'm open to new information and re-evaluation.

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i'm a recovering catholic/born again pagan, myself. i'd love to comment on the videos, but, as usual, i can't watch them due to dialup. but, not much about the church could shock me.

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I watched this movie about a month ago:

http://www.bloodline-themovie.com/

It's about the Jesus and Mary conspiracy, but that's not the real value of this movie. What is important about it is the subtext-- what it doesn't quite say in so many words about the Vatican and who is really in power behind the scenes.

It talks about the Priory of Sion, and the PoS contact the filmmaker interviewed, Nick Haywood, gave me the chills.

And then the games that "they" played with the filmmakers, the merry chase they led them on-- it just all seemed so staged to me. And the question arises, Why play such a game, and for what reason would these things be "revealed" to these particular filmmakers and researchers? And Bruce Burgess, the filmmaker, had the good sense to ask those things, but didn't get a straight answer.

You can watch the film on the website, but failing that, you can get it through Netflix, like I did.

There's way more going on in the Vatican than we can even imagine.

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Thank-you for the link. I'm checking it out. The church seems to contain the best and the worst people in the world. There must be huge daily power struggles and debates within the church...behind closed doors. Have you former Catholics ever watched Pat Condell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWi...rom=PL&index=8
He's a bitter ex-Catholic atheist! He's very rude and irreverent...yet he makes a lot of sense...and is very funny.

I keep worrying that the people in the history books or on the evening news are not calling the shots...and that non-humans may be telling the people and organizations we love to hate...what to do. If I were an elite with immense power, wealth, influence, etc...I would probably try to create heaven on earth...and run as clean and tight a ship as possible. No human sacrifices, no financing both sides in wars that I started, no crashing stock markets and ruining economies, no starvation, no satanic rituals, no atrocities, no environmental nightmares, no extermination, no enslavement, etc, etc, etc. I would try to get the people of the world to really like me...and bypass all the corrupt and destructive bs...while I continued to live in my seaside estate...drive my Enzo Ferrari, attend social functions, etc. I see some of the smartest people doing the most bizarre, corrupt, and destructive things imaginable. I like what I see and hear when NWO people are interviewed...yet I hate the NWO. Sometimes I think the NWO people hate the NWO too...but don't have a choice in the matter. Perhaps I am being too kind to these people...but I am sensing something very evil behind what I think are front men and errand boys. Is Lucifer calling the shots? Is Lucifer a little old lady reptilian/human hybrid from Atlantis? Think about it...a very, very smart...very, very evil...and very, very cruel being wearing a flowing cape and a jeweled crown...issuing orders both verbally and telepathically...while sitting on a throne in an underground cathedral more dazzling than St. Peter's. Could this being be playing God and Satan at the same time...to control and enslave humanity? Far-fetched? Probably...but I'm thinking in this direction at this time. That could change in 5 minutes. I'm in the speculation business. Unfortunately I'm wasting a lot of time...driving myself(and others?) insane...and making no money. How stupid is that?

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so true so true Jonathon. I couldn't of put it better and unfortunately I found out the hard way. The cops came and called ambulance to commit me. They had my husband convinced that I would harm somebody and it's funny now, but not at the time......the first question they asked him was, did we have any guns in the house.............LOL

My husband actually convinced the hospital that I was ok and he would watch me and they let me go home. It took me a little time but I learned to shut my mouth.

I do not speak much in any of the forums, but I do read and comrehend alot. I am much more confident that my mind is good and I know more than most in my family

I am very thankful for all the info that has been put on this site, project camelot and many others.

I am convinced that our biggest problem in solving any of this will be the Christians.

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I guess I'm looking for the highest standards and practice of psychology, ethics, and spirituality...without all of the ritual religious baggage. I don't want to start another religion...a true one this time. I don't want to be a spiritually bankrupt atheist. I don't want to channel ancient...and supposedly superior...disembodied entities. I just want to go through life without hurting, killing, stealing from...or otherwise screwing my fellow humans. Then I would like to get recycled...if it's not too much trouble.

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"I am convinced that our biggest problem in solving any of this will be the Christians. "

Yeah I don't know about that Mntruth... there was a time that I would have agreed wholeheartedly, however now I think the biggest problem is ourselves. There are some really beautifully intelligent, open-minded and open-hearted people on this site who still struggle with getting past their own mind. I'm one of those people... it's a massive daily challenge. Just imagine how challenging it must be for the utterly indoctrinated and misinformed. These is no mountain that cannot be climbed once the self is mastered. As Tolle says, the purpose of presence (being the I AM in the NOW - freeing yourself from ego and mind) is the opening up to and allowance for the gateway of the divine to be manifested. This is supported by every major spiritual discipline/doctrine since the beginning of time. Transcending the human condition. Allowing consciousness to be present. Complete freedom from past & future, attachment, fear, animalistic nature and so on.

I can recall one of the Edgar Cayce readings that spoke about the symbolic meaning of the "Throne Room" in Revelations. He said the great light on the throne represented consciousness while the two rows of men represented the two rows of cranial nerves in the brain (the source of all human function). I believe there is a YouTube of that somewhere.. worth looking. This alludes to transcendence of mind... becoming conscious. That is where the great king resides.

There lies the greatest and most crucial challenge in my observation. Remember, you are responsible only for your own personal growth. You cannot be responsible or held accountable for that of anyone else. Free will is the 1st distortion of the Law of One. Sometimes it is the most difficult to remember. There is that place in all of us that calls us to help others while neglecting ourselves... this principle sometimes leads to the focus of our attention being diverted to what everyone else is doing and ignoring what's going on right in front of our faces. This is another path to unconsciousness... trying to control everything that is beyond us and neglecting that one thing we CAN control: ourselves. Right now.

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After watching all 6 parts i started feeling slightly depressed, like I've picked up some bad vibes.....

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Johnathon

I am lost into the L/L research library now. I want to thank you very much for their website.

You're right it will be with ourselfs that the biggest problem lies.

I have so much to learn and not enough time in the day, I'm afraid

Sometimes I feel a "tug" with a feeling of already knowning this and it makes me happy because maybe I am remembering certain things as I hope to do.

I seen the video bloodline and found it very interesting. I also am reading the book Demons and Angels. For some reason I set it down and never got back to it. Now I think I will just see the movie as Im not into reading much anymore. I get so tired out.

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I found this interchange between Jordan Maxwell and Alex Jones to be very interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI. In this thread...I am not trying to blame the Catholics for all of the evil and destruction in the world. I am trying to get at what is behind many groups and individuals...which continues to divide and conquer us. In the recent Project Camelot interview with Joseph Farrell...he makes a comment regarding present day Germany...which seems to coincide with the Maxwell/Jones clip. I can't remember the details. Watch the interview...which is fantastic...and you'll notice it.

Here is a clip of Malachi Martin being interviewed by Art Bell(warning: the video is graphic and the subject is exorcism): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c91jUTGyNCQ. Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7...eature=related And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0 This stuff is real. One last video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9x...eature=related. I don't agree with everything in this one...especially the part about the Pope going to hell. I don't believe in heaven and hell as historically presented...and I certainly don't know the heart of anyone.

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Check who's still around in Italy from the P2 days: PM Berlusconi!

Propaganda Due

P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[2] or a "shadow government".[3] The lodge had among its members prominent journalists, parliamentarians, industrialists, and military leaders -- including the then-future Prime Minister *Silvio Berlusconi*; the Savoy pretender to the Italian throne Victor Emmanuel; and the heads of all three Italian intelligence services...

Italian Masonry had been outlawed by the fascist regime of Benito Mussolini, but was reborn after the Second World War under American influence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
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Scandals / Banking / Italy

http://www.namebase.org/books53.html
Tosches, Nick. Power on Earth. New York: Arbor House, 1986. 290 pages.
DiFonzo, Luigi. St.Peter's Banker. New York: Franklin Watts, 1983. 308 pages.
Cornwell, Rupert. God's Banker. New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1983. 260 pages.
Gurwin, Larry. The Calvi Affair. London: Pan Books, 1984. 251 pages.

Four books in NameBase describe the 1970s Italian banking scandals: "Power on Earth" by Nick Tosches, "St.Peter's Banker" by Luigi DiFonzo, "God's Banker" by Rupert Cornwell, and "The Calvi Affair" by Larry Gurwin. The first two are about Michele Sindona, the last two about Roberto Calvi.

These scandals involved Sindona, Calvi, Pope Paul VI, Bishop Paul Marcinkus and the Vatican Bank, the Mafia, Licio Gelli and the P2 Lodge, Franklin National Bank, Banco Ambrosiano, and shell companies too numerous to mention. It's a story of international high finance and lavish lifestyles that Hollywood might reject as unrealistic: bank shares traded like baseball cards, blood oaths and *secret P2 membership* lists, Mafia hits, Italian intelligence agencies, terrorists, arms dealers, corruption at the highest levels, and even a faked kidnapping.

Sindona's empire was collapsing by 1974, and his protege Calvi's by 1978. In 1980 Sindona was convicted in the U.S. on 65 counts of fraud and was extradited to Italy in 1984, where two years later he was poisoned in his cell while serving a life sentence for murder. Calvi was convicted by an Italian court in 1981 of illegal currency transactions. He was found hanging from a London bridge the following year, possibly murdered, and $400 million is still missing.

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Thank you Orthodoxymoron for starting what I think is one of the most important threads. The infomation and links are very thought provoking. I am currently working my way through. There is much to think about and digest.
:mfr_omg: I need to take a long walk!
Love and peace
Golden

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Thank-you no caste. There is plenty of dirt...if one wishes to dig. I can only stomach so much...and then I have to move on to more pleasant subjects.

golden lady: I'm glad you like the thread. It's sort of a necessary evil. I don't relish this subject...but it seems to be central to understanding how this world really works.

If you want to really dig...read 'Murder in the Vatican' by Lucien Gregoire...regarding the death of Pope John Paul I. This book really made my hair stand on end.
'In God's Name' by David Yallop is another book which will keep you awake at night...

To any practicing Roman Catholics: I'm not suggesting that you stop going to church...but I do think that being well informed is very important. Your local church and priests are probably a blessing to the community. It's just that I think there is a powerful dark side at the highest levels of the church...and that the visible church leaders may not be in ultimate control. I doubt that they are happy with the situation...but it may be nearly impossible to change things for the better. I think we are all in a lot of trouble.

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I was in London when John Paul I died in 1978. It was a big deal - rumours swirling immediately. Everybody was watching the Vatican smoke stack on TV. Then, we saw Cardinal Wojtyła (John Paul II) in Munich.

What I wanted to add, though, is that it must be very handy to do business with an organization that is tax free, if one's a back room kind of boy. The money laundering possibilities! I may pick up those books. I'm not Catholic, then or now, but I've been told by friends that my temperament is.

I don't know what that means! :mfr_omg:

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Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple with a whip. Perhaps this needs to happen again...

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Now that's a solution I can get behind.:thumb_yello:

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On a more positive note:
Sometimes I wonder if the cathedral architecture, organ design and music...is really from underground cathedrals. Reptilians are supposedly builders. Masons are builders. Hmmmm. According to biblical theology...Lucifer was the preeminent musician in heaven. Hmmmmm. As far as I know...they don't know who designed Chartres Cathedral. Imagine that! Sometimes I wonder if organists find music of unknown origin waiting for them when they arrive at the church to practice. Notice how complex and abstract the above music is. Have you ever seen the sheet music? I have some by Bach, Widor, Vierne, Dupre, etc. Devilishly difficult. We supposedly received religion and technology from the reptilians and greys. What else did we receive? The Vatican Library may contain the comprehensive answer to this question. The truth is in there. I'm not gonna say another word...

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What would happen if church services and masses were music only? No liturgy. No sermons. Just music...complete with organ, orchestra, choir, and congregation? The pastors and priests would be counselors...and would officiate at special services and ceremonies. There probably is not an easy answer. I am beginning to have a problem with the concept of worship and praise. It seems to me that this is what Lucifer aka Satan really wants and needs...and that the God of the Universe doesn't want or need this sort of thing at all. It makes me wonder who is really being worshipped and praised on Sun-God Day. I love the music, architecture, glory, and grandeur...but I am seeing a huge and fundamental problem. This applies to all churches...and not just the Roman Catholic Church. I don't go to church.

If I did go to church...and attended a Roman Catholic Church...I would probably consider myself to be a...Pope John Paul I, Bishop Fulton Sheen, Father Malachi Martin...Roman Catholic. Those who are in the know...in the Roman Catholic Church...really know. I would love to sit in a room full of Jesuits...and talk theology. Unfortunately...I might not make it out of there alive! They have a reputation...you know! I just hope that the dark forces can be converted or exorcised from the church...and the entire world. I continue to think that the Roman Catholic Church is a major part of the problem...and potentially a major part of the solution.

Please consider the following thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...=letter+church It touches on some of the issues raised in this thread...and contains many positive solutions.

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Some follow-up on Berlusconi's current troubles -

June 12, 2009
Angry wife blasts media - news clipping (Reuters, Metro)

The wife of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said Thursday her reputation has been "muddied" by the media... Some media, including outlets controlled by 72-year-old Berlusconi's Mediaset group, responded with stories about the private life of Veronica, a former actress and his second wife.

May 28, 2009
Berlusconi would 'have to resign' if lying about affair with teenager
http://www.france24.com/en/20090528-...-lying-denials

REUTERS - Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, facing demands to explain his relationship with a teenage girl, denied on Thursday he had had a "steamy affair" and said he would have to resign if caught lying about it...

May5, 2009
Berlusconi attacked by Catholic Church over divorce and 'weakness' for young actresses
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/05/0...orce_and_weak/

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has come under fire from the Catholic Church - one of his biggest allies - amid continuing controversy over his impending divorce. In a front-page editorial Avvenire, the official newspaper of the Italian Catholic Bishops Conference, condemned him for his behaviour describing it as 'worrying'. The stinging comment added that Italy deserved a Prime Minister who was a 'mirror of the country's soul' and called on him to be more 'sober and sombre'. Italian.....

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Are the Vatican and Italy on good terms...or is there trouble brewing? The reason I ask...is the last post...and what Leo Zagami said recently when in 'prison'.

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One of the best kept Secrets of the Vatican is no longer a secret. It is now possible to purchase Indulgences Online with a Papal Account.:naughty:

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How much research have you done on pope john paul?

I won't even capitalize his name..........because if you think he wasn't involved in all this, you are sadly mistaken.

Its like washington dc..............people fight amoung the party lines and its all one great big party ................what a joke on us

The vatican has been involved from the start and it was john that was in there during the second world war. It made me sick and to be honest I cried for three weeks, I was so sick over the vatican's involvement in all of this. They make the decisions.

Its ugly and it needs to be said.

when they say we were dumbed down...............they meant it didnt they?

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My question continues to be...who is REALLY calling the shots? Is it a group of men sitting around at the Vatican...dreaming up all manner of evil and atrocity for Earth? Or...are these men TOLD what to do by evil aliens and/or evil spirits? If the second choice is the correct one...how much of a choice do they have in the matter? I presently consider the Pope to be the Vicar of Lucifer...rather than the Vicar of Christ. I really don't think he has much of a choice. Christ is supposed to mediate between God and Humanity. I currently think that Christ stands between Lucifer(the God of This World) and Humanity...and that there is a war between the Vatican and Christ. Somehow...the Vatican must betray Lucifer and embrace Christ. But this might result in the Battle of Armageddon. They have embraced Lucifer...and betrayed Christ...for a hell of a lot more than 30 pieces of silver...believe me. This is simply my personal speculation.

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well its been years in the making and it should not surprise anyone at this time.

You know if you look at Michael Angelo's hand reaching out to the small child you can see the letter M. Its there clear as day


I read the book Angel and Demons and found it wothwhile. I still feel that so much is still being left out. In fact I'm sure it is. A need to know basis

Being raised Catholic myself, I know how shocking all of this is. I really believed the BS and my son tells me now that I have to continue to Someone told me once that I would not like what I find in my search and he was absolutely correct.

The videos that Ashatav put out there explain so much. I learned about all the symbols from Maxwell and Tsarsion. They have a lot to say but neither believe in Jesus. I do believe in Jesus and I can't shake that he was indeed sent to show us the way.

I can't be upset about my upbringing because it instilled in me some very fine qualities. I like to thing so anyhow. I never ever believed that I was better than anyone of another religion. A boy once said hello to me and when I answered him, he said he was shocked that I did because of my uniform. I had no idea I wasn't suppose to . I know they instill this thought in school but it didnt stick to my brains. I even remember going to a lutheran church once and recieving their communion. I didn't burn yet and I know now I will not.

The priest refused to bless my marriage when I was 21 because I didnt know what religion my husbands first wife was and had no intentions of finding out. This is the first time I really felt slapped by the church. It didn't set with me well.................I felt bad for years and refused to attend mass as I felt singled out with the shame of not being able to recieve the sacraments.

That maybe one reason it killed me to learn all of this. I did alot of research on this last year. I believed it was just starting but oh lol what a fool I have been all my life.

I can remember my sons father walking into school and the nun threw holy water on him. You know it was just recently I realized it was because he was Native American. How really sad that is. He was a kind and decent man and he was a loving man. Not deserving of that type of treatment. I thought he was just so evil but now I know why.

So you see, the stories are all coming together even on the nuns.

Thats a whole new story.............sad in itself

The stories are out there and when you think back now to those times...........it starts to pull together and its the worse horror story that one can tell you.

You have to go way back in history and its not a pretty picture at all