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No not at all dear.. But TtC is now with us on that thread I opened. This will allow a wider public to be informed of where we are up to as regard communities. Hopefully he can have a new chance to put his proposition across. He is a fine man.Has a lot to offer and really deserves to be listened to . Loving kindness mudra you have put your stamp of approval on this Indigo boy who cannot speak for himself...but wants people to trust in him without giving the one simple thing we all want to hear from him.... If he does not believe in the things we are all worried might come about..or a NWO....again I have to ask and keep having to ask..but get no answer...and I believe he does need to speak for himself... tTc...what is your vision for this you seek to build? |
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Thank you Oliver..and may your endevor of finding and building a radient zone serve you well.... It is of the opinion I do not believe that radient zones should be built...on the contrary....I just live in a world where I have seen people of good hearts, get burned very badly. If a radient zone is what you are seeking..may your journey be safe...and you follow the path of light and love. |
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I know why others have the need for them...but you have personally told me that you do not believe anything of the sort will happen. So again I ask you..what is your vision |
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TtC is here on this thread on the same grounds as are all other persons working at the moment at building communities as Gio, Carmen, Artvision, NorthernSanctuary, wormhole...etc.. [/quote]you have put your stamp of approval on this Indigo boy who cannot speak for himself...but wants people to trust in him without giving the one simple thing we all want to hear from him....[/quote] I have spoken to TtC two times in life conversations. He clearly laid out the vision he has of the communities he wants to build. He answered to my questions without any problem. I find him a decent young man that knows where he goes , has given it deep thought and has the assets to stand for his vision. I don't see any reason he should'nt be given a chance to speak as all others already here and the future ones to come. I asked him to make a statement of his vision and to post it here. This should be done shortly so all know what it is about. I totally agree with you Brook that this is an important step and must be made for the purpose of clarity and to close the door to speculations. He will then and is already answering genuine questions that people interested may have through life conversations. I think this is decent enough . If he does not believe in the things we are all worried might come about..or a NWO....again I have to ask and keep having to ask..but get no answer...and I believe he does need to speak for himself... I don't think we are " all " worried about what might come as cataclysms or NWO. I do understand those that are but I personnally am not afraid and do not hold any pessimistic visions .As you say these are " might come " . I believe it's just the same for him. He is just looking to a better way of life for all and his proposal stands along these guide lines. I believe it would be in the interest of all that the two of you talk and clear whatever got you untangled. I know your Brook .I know all you have done in Avalon. There is nothing you have to prove or defend there.The light you brought stands on its own. My personnal feelings are that the position you have today as regard TtC might be based on profound misunderstanding. He has responsability in the course it took as you have your own. Also lays in both your hands the fact that you can bring it to a higher and more constructive echelon . There is no happiness to be find in conflict but great joy comes when love and understanding are applied to matters . If we want to build a better future , a new world we have to start this between each other.It can only be positive to everyone . Would you be willing to do so ? Loving kindness mudra |
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I don't think we are " all " worried about what might come as cataclysms or NWO. I do understand those that are but I personnally am not afraid and do not hold any pessimistic visions .As you say these are " might come " . I believe it's just the same for him. He is just looking to a better way of life for all and his proposal stands along these guide lines.
I agree Mudra...however..a mixed message from TtC tells me that the use of the word "safe zones" tells one thing as he as stated in the above post... I will be setting up safe zones in many other states including KY, OH, GA, WA, ID, CO, AB, BC, ON, and the original one in MT. There will be one in Argentina and Brazil as well, come the semi-near future. I will also be buying houses across the globe as a network of safe houses for travelers to lodge at while abroad. I will say one thing: do not rush your plans as insecurity can be disastrous. One weak link in the chain can mean life or death. And he has again expressed something quite different to me. The Original one in Montana..is of importance..as that was found to be the largest oil find in North America...and what better way to get the drilling started, but to develope the roads, provide housing to the drillers, and set things up..this was my first thought when I came across this..but it is only speculation on my part...and once the set up is finished...out ya go..this is my worry and caution. However I know this is not the intention of all of the people involved in setting up radient zones..and their intention is honorable. When asked for spicifics...the questions were vague and ambiguous at most...and the questions still exist today. Would you be willing to do so ? Certainly...as long as the questions are actually answered. I won't be swayed by statements such as "I cannot create in someone else's reality"...that is not an answer...you ask a queston..you should get an answer...if the answer does not make sense, clarify it make it clear the intent ... So I am waiting ...to hear of this vision...and dialogue of a respectable manner will insue...No games..just plain talk. Right here, right now...not in some off base place, but for everyone here to see, so their unanswered questions can be answered as well |
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Thank you Brook .
I trust the matter will clear up. All it takes is good will from all parties. Let's keep the focus on love, respect and understanding. Loving kindness mudra |
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Here is the suggested outline for the Radiant Zone Guide. Feel free to suggest more things, or to delete from that outline. I would kindly like when suggesting something, please specify where you want to add:.
Always say in reference to complete number. Example: Reference to 1.2.12 I do want to add: The signs for SHTF are:....."(just as an example how to refer to different paragraphs) Awaiting your feedbacks! Artvision ================================================== ========================================== RADIANT ZONE GUIDE INTRODUCTORY WORD Here is a guide outliner based on different books and documents read. This doc is desired to be just as an outliner, meaning a collection of important issues that should not be overlooked when someone decide to create a Radiant Zone, that is a place of relative safety when SHTF, in our volatile world we live in. What should be then of most value that a collection of proven be working advices, of how to organize and make that retreat without give too much thought when is pressure of world coming apart. Of course one can read things on internet, but when the time is pressing, you need put in pace a lot of things, systems, etc. With our collection at hand, we want to believe, you will find some pertinent answers. This document is hosted on the Avalon Forum, where the concept of Radiant Zones emerged, or at least started being documented. Our desire is all the people can read, comment and contribute to it. Thus, we need people with some experience in these related disciplines, covered here, to give us a feedback, offer information, or to correct issues. Everything is open to debates and the final goal will be, to create "The Radiant Zones Guide", such as a set of directory lines, if somebody will follow up, will be in a safe side when a major SHTF scenario will hit. We need to prune first this draft outliner, then we will flesh up each chapter and subchapter with information. Please, that everything you are stating, you must to offer the reason, or the rationale for that, just be convincing even for non seasoned people in that matters. Will be a difficult and painful job, but the outcome that is a helper for people in case of need, will be much worthing the effort, also I want to start our work with the words of God, which is recommendable to do in any initiative of ours: "Prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished. "[Proverbs 27:12] All the best! Artvision __________________ SURVIVAL=5B's Belief, Brains, Beans, Bullets, Band-Aids 1. RATIONALE ABOUT THE RADIANT ZONE 1.1 What Are Radiant Zones 1.1.1 Define the Radiant Zones 1.2 Questions about Radiant Zones 1.2.1 Intrinsic need for safety of humans is the base to start a Radiant Zone 1.2.2 Is the survival instinct good? But is moral? Is intrinsic coded in the genetics of every living beings. How can humans evolve from the basic existentialist desire and reach other forms? 1.2.3 We should think as: The concept of continuity of government, COG, survival of the fittest as Darwinist concept? 1.2.4 Or maybe, our survival idea is based on other mentalities rather than pure selfish instinct of survival as we see in government mentality, such Darwinist concepts 1.2.5 The world around us is on a verge of collapse-can we see that 1.2.6 Do we want be staying in affected places of SHTF and be susceptible to massive trauma even death, or we try escape? 1.2.7 Why do I need join with a bunch of other people? Isn't enough if I manage myself to escape for the first wave of the SHTF? Why should I listen and act also in benefit for the others? Why if the decision of other are endangering my personal security? 1.2.8 How we can avoid asking ourselves devastating questions such as above? 1.2.9 How the people you will be with! 1.2.10 Is worth the effort and resources consumption for make a safe Zone? 1.2.11 What if the SHTF never happening? 1.2.12 What are the signs showing a SHTF is approaching or just start to rollout? 1.3 Possible SHTF scenarios 1.3.1 Economic Crash, banks, currency, stock crash 1.3.2 Chemical attack or just damaging a nearby chemical plant 1.3.3 Nuclear threat 1.3.4 Dirty bomb terrorist threat 1.3.5 Devastating meteorological event: tornados, massive storms 1.3.6 Earthquakes 1.3.7 Massive land slides 1.3.8 Eruption of volcanos 1.3.9 Extended famine caused by excessive drought 1.3.10 EMP from sun or man produced 1.3.11 Take over of the government by the underground forces 1.3.12 Psychotronic attack of many important cities and towns of a nation 1.3.13 Chaos created by the imminent landing of ET 1.3.14 Total disruptment of our society by an alien attack 1.3.15 Devastating war 1.3.16 Devastating Pandemics such 1918 1.3.17 Release of biological agents such Staphylococcus aureus, or Necrotizing Fasciitis or a new type of plague of unknown origins, or maybe Bird Flu 1.3.18 Total disruption of International naval transport due to some marine extraterestrial attacking the vessels, leading to a profound lack of goods in many part of the globe 1.3.19 An extraordinary fast and massive cool down of some regions, leading to a total collapse of that region 1.3.20 A meteoritic impact followed by a shower of small meteorites, falling over a large surface of earth 1.3.21 The magnetic poles of Earth heavily shifted by the influence of a nearby passing of a celestial body 1.3.22 Utterly degradation of the human DNA, leading to massive epidemics of cancers and tumors, in a large part of population. Nobody know why, but is feared there is a new type of high energy particle weapon fired form Deep Space. 1.3.23 Destruction of a large surfaces of Terra, in the area heavily exposed to chemtrails where these chemtrails are filtering the light but letting UV passing trough, acting such a focal lens 1.3.24 Major disruption of our society because all the satellites and flying craft are shoot down by some unknown entities 1.3.25 Massive social revolts, riots and upheavals in relation with the current economic crisis, job cuts and overall deterioration of living standard. 1.4 Is worth for me, to engage in a Radiant Zone or not? 1.4.1 PRO's: 1.4.1.1 Possibility of saving your life and the family 1.4.1.2 Good way to met and become friend with like minded persons 1.4.1.3 Lots of things to learn, lots of skills to acquire 1.4.1.4 Living in the nature, with a more ecological prospect than living in city 1.4.2 CON's: 1.4.2.1 Cost, time and emotional implications 1.4.2.2 Maybe family member mock on me calling me a cuckoo! 1.4.2.3 Other can call us fear mongers or hysterics? 1.4.2.4 What if never arrive to the Radiant Zone After SHTF? 1.4.2.5 What if I'm not getting along with the rest of the members after a while when tensions increasing 1.4.2.6 What if governments ban such remote area retreats, on flimsy grounds? 1.5 PEOPLE - consolidating the GROUP 1.5.1 Startup-ers 1.5.2 Members Selection Criteria 1.5.2.1 Good Behaving 1.5.2.2 Similitude 1.5.2.2.1 Same Mindset 1.5.2.2.2 Same Wishes & Desires 1.5.2.2.3 Same religion (or at least non antagonistic!) 1.5.2.3 Skills: to be cover multitude important qualification 1.5.2.3.1 Doctors, Nurses, Dentists 1.5.2.3.2 Militars 1.5.2.3.3 Agriculture and cattle raising 1.5.2.3.4 Mechanics: auto, different issue 1.5.2.3.5 Electricians/Electronists 1.5.2.3.6 Carpenters 1.5.2.3.7 Blacksmits 1.5.2.3.8 Gunsmiths 1.5.2.3.9 IT 1.5.2.3.10 Logistics 1.5.2.3.11 Cooking 1.5.2.3.12 Preserving Foods 1.5.2.3.13 Educators, professors 1.5.2.4 What can that member offer 1.5.2.4.1 Skills 1.5.2.4.2 Knowledge 1.5.2.4.3 Stuff personally accumulated for survival can share 1.5.2.5 Voting in accepting new members 1.5.3 Sharing the responsibilities 1.5.3.1 According with training & skill 1.5.3.2 All should be aware that need to work together and no fuss about 1.5.3.3 All should learn military training, health exercises, bit of crafts, agriculture 1.5.4 People need meet periodically before start construct Radiating Zone, retreat etc 1.6 Searching a proper zone 1.6.1 Factor take i account when selecting a Radiant Zone 1.7 Starting Organizing a retreat 1.7.1 Establish Book of conduit 1.7.1.1 Democratic: 1 person=1 vote 1.7.1.2 example: Native Indians Code of Ethics 1.7.1.3 Amish People 1.7.2 Establish set of procedures: "what to do if, that or that happens" 1.7.3 Establish what scenarios will cover their retreat 1.7.4 Establish what will be their supplies, provisions of food, medical, fuels, etc 1.7.5 Establish their tools, weapons and ammunitions 1.7.5.1 Important rule: Interchangeability: not to many different types of same issue 1.7.5.1.1 By that, parts from one can be replaced to another, also storing a limited number of parts will increase the probability find something when need 1.7.5.1.2 AMMO calibers be easy swappable between guns, pistols, etc 1.7.6 Establish their systems of protection 1.7.7 Establish system of defense 1.7.8 Establish system of communication 2. TO BUG-OUT FROM YOUR HOUSE WHEN SHTF, OR JUST LIVE IN RETREAT, WELL IN ADVANCE? To Bug-Out from your home that is in the middle of the problem and try to make it hundreds or maybe thousands of KM to arrive in the retreat when the world started already to disintegrate, when roads are infested with non moving car because no gasoline, or just live comfortably to the retreat, in the Radiant ZONE already? It is an important decison! But if your life, responsibility are requesting you to live away from the retreat, at least you should keep the most of provisions of food, water, equipment, tools and medicines, at retreat already in the responsibility of a caretaker. Watch for the signs for the collapsing of society and bug-out immediately is possible. For doing safely that distance and arriving in one piece at the retreat, you should prepare the vehicle, with food, important documents, valuableas and defensive means. Try not take all house with you. As light go, more sure will arrive retreat after SHTF. All procedures in places, maps, etc should be prepared in time. 2.1 Dilemma Bug-Out or permanently live in retreat 2.1.1 Bug-out when SHTF 2.1.1.1 Will be Dangerous 2.1.1.2 Difficult to arive to Radiant Zone 2.1.2 Live already in the retreat 2.1.2.1 Seems better option 2.1.2.2 Maybe boring 2.1.2.3 Will get used with the people and accumulate needed skills 2.2 Store stuff in advance in retreat 2.2.1 Because when SHTF limited amounts can be transported 2.2.2 All the food, medicines and hardware should already be stored in RZ 2.2.3 Mostly heavy gear, food provisions, grains 2.2.4 This leads to problems if non live in retreat who will rotate all that food 2.2.5 Better there is already a family or two, look after the retreat, all time 2.3 For Bug-Out well prepared in advance 2.3.1 Watch carefully after signs SHTF is about start; share info within your circle 2.3.1.1 Watch the financial news regularly; Stock composed indices 2.3.1.2 Keep informed from internet 2.3.1.3 Listen in Short waves other countries / continents radio broadcastings 2.3.1.4 Watch any strange movements of people, troops or other changes in the city 2.3.1.5 Keep scnning the frequencies of Police, Firefighters, Hospitals Ambulance System, Sherrif, truck driver communications: everything locally on radio communication in clear 2.3.1.6 Keep a listening on HAM bands, maybe make announcement of perils, etc 2.3.1.7 Watch the sky and any abnormalities 2.3.1.8 Watch carefully of the Meteorological Bulletins for Tornados, Huge Storms 2.3.2 Bug-Out Vehicle 2.3.2.1 Always in pristine technical condition 2.3.2.2 Always with full tank 2.3.2.3 Keep always fuel in canister to cover 3 times distance fto retreat 2.3.2.4 Vehicle should have a survival kit all the time, itself! 2.3.2.5 Most possible to break parts should have been stored in vehicle 2.3.2.6 An diversified tool kits for vehicle 2.3.2.7 Vehicle Technical repair manual 2.3.3 Bug-Out Kit 2.3.3.1 Most important: Maps with all counties in between to retreat-use of communal roads only; be marked on the maps, then maps be plastified after markings 2.3.3.2 Most valuable jewelery 2.3.3.3 Food&Water for all travellers, 3 x times more days than trip to retreat 2.3.3.4 Laptop with all scanned documents and contact list, guides, etc 2.3.3.5 Memory stick with all documents as a backup copy or laptop lost/damage 2.3.3.6 Communication system between members or between cars-talkie walkie 2.3.3.7 Weapons for self protect during travel 2.3.3.8 Diversified Medical kit; do not forget take prescripts meds for chronic 2.3.3.9 Cash: small bills, different currencies, maybe silver/gold coins 2.3.3.10 Credit/debit cards: always use it first if still work, before resort to cash 2.3.3.11 Most Important documents (besides it scanned) 2.3.3.11.1 Printed list with contacts of all relatives, friends, etc 2.3.3.11.2 ID's 2.3.3.11.3 Passports 2.3.3.11.4 Certificates: Birth, Marriage, Deceased, etc 2.3.3.11.5 Contracts: Insurance, etc 2.3.3.11.6 Deeds: Property, land 2.3.3.11.7 Tax related documents (even maybe never needed, never knows) 2.3.4 Keep in touch with all your supporters, relatives, friends 2.3.4.1 Use Phone, Mail for exchanging info during first phases of SHTF 2.3.4.2 When usual comm net are down, use CB/HAM radios 2.3.4.3 When not possible use people going there as messengers 2.4 Procedure should be in place for everything, all should be known and reherased in advance. When SHTF we should work like swiss clock! 2.4.1 Procedures for evacuating house in maxim 1 hour 2.4.2 Procedures to assure and stop before leaving all utilities, gas, electric 3. ORGANIZING RETREAT Is one of most demanding jobs. Do not ever forget: "We are creating in the Radiant Zone, a mini-society!" Expect all the tares from the existing one, to manifest also in the small one. But with some sweeteners! We will join it by good will and we will be surrounded with people with same mentalities, we have been chosen ourselves! Will be based on the democratic approach, between people with same ideas, mentalities and mindset (otherwise we wouldn't form that community, in the first place) therefore responsible and well wishing people. When there is time to debate and there are to decide things will affect everybody, then the voting approach will be chosen. When there is a life/death situation, when there is important the decision taken in an instant, then is the community leader call, to take that decision. Therefore that lader, is very important and should be designated by voting, by the memebers, one of the most trusted, skillful and cold head available from that Radiant Zone group. Not only leader, but also the new members should be apporved or disapproved by older members For this activity, someone should keep a log (most probable the, Logistics responsible), where be written down the resolutions made along with most important moments for the community (births, marriages, deaths). 3.1 Voting System - Decision for important matters 3.1.1 Will be used for all important matters 3.1.2 Democratic - 1 person = 1 vote 3.1.3 Election for community leader 3.2 Scheduling Community Life 3.2.1 Tasks 3.2.2 Chores 3.2.3 Day & Night Watch Shifts 3.2.4 Classes 3.2.5 Training 3.3 Religious life for different confessions from group 3.4 Keep Good Morale 3.4.1 Activities as Morale booster 3.4.1.1 Birthdays 3.4.1.2 Religious day celebrations 3.4.1.3 Country day celebration for different ethnics in group 3.5 Day to day Decision taking 3.5.1 Minor Issues 3.5.2 Fast response issues 3.5.3 Life/Death threats and situation need leader assuming responsability 3.6 Delegation of Activities responsible Persons 3.6.1 Job Description 3.6.1.1 Definition of Activity Description & Task Incurred 3.6.1.2 What to do, what responsibilities they have 3.6.2 Logistics responsible - The STOREKEEPER 3.6.2.1 General caretaker for retreat & Storage Facilities 3.6.2.2 Keep a detail Material Log Book registery: what we have, what required, what need to produce, gather, barter, etc 3.6.2.3 He must be able raise alerts when stocks of most important items close to finish 3.6.2.4 At all time he need tell group what is the status for Beans, Bullets and Band-Aids, generally speaking 3.6.3 Security & Defense officer - GI Joe 3.6.3.1 Must be experienced and military trained 3.6.3.2 He must organize the security: of retreat, perimeter and patrolling neighborhoods 3.6.3.3 He must to decide and inform group about possibility of group face and defeat the threat, or asses threat so major that group need abandon 3.6.3.4 He must organize and lead the military training 3.6.4 Health responsible - DOC 3.6.4.1 An doctor or at least a nurse or para medic 3.6.4.2 Should be able satisfactory handle the health problems of the group, child-birth, injuries, poisoning, other accidents 3.6.4.3 Should be able to manage with scarce resource 3.6.4.4 Would be desirable to lean towards traditional medicine (medicine expire or end stock) 3.6.5 Intelligence officer - INTEL GUY 3.6.5.1 His job will be to collect information gathered from communication systems (radio, scanners, following broadcasting), information from patrolling, etc. He make a report of outstanding situation that can lead to a threatening situation for retreat. He is collaborating with security and community leader in finding a solution. 3.6.5.2 All the events from patrolling and different observation from watch shifts, etc will be reported to him. If need immediate reaction, together with security responsible and community leader will decide 3.6.5.3 What the group intelligence try to find? Everything: news from the far world, what did the next rural neighbor happened with his cattle, everything, because everything can lead to threats to the community 3.6.5.4 He must be an bright person, with curiosity, capacity of listening others and extract relevant informations 3.6.6 Agribusiness responsible - FATHER OF THE LAND 3.6.6.1 The person should have been lived at country side for a while, he/she must know the wheelings and dealings of farming, cattle arising 3.6.6.2 He must be able to asses what the group can seed, how much, where and when to seed and when harvest 3.6.6.3 Must have a good knowhow of handling with animal problems 3.6.7 Systems responsible - HANDY MAN 3.6.7.1 Everything that is running in the retreat must kept so. 3.6.7.2 Whatever parts, materials needed he must know to handle or where or who to ask. 3.6.7.3 The perfect handyman 3.6.7.4 A broken toilet, a running sink? No problem, because he will fix 3.6.8 Cooking Responsible - CHEF 3.6.8.1 What people need most after water shelter is food. Good, tasty and with right amount of calories, vitamins, and minerals. Chef, must gracefully must handle that, without too many complains nor intoxications! 3.6.8.2 Must have hands on cooking, also cooking in prmitive condition, mostly with stocked ingredients. Chef must know to combine the dried tasteless stock food, with something fres, to assure the vitamin and minerals for the group 3.6.8.3 Some old 1900 cooking book, a wooden stove which manage in the end to control, would be a start! 3.6.8.4 Also to get a kiss or a hug, at least a cheerful appreciation for tasty food put on the table 3.6.9 Crafts Expert - Master Craftsman 3.6.9.1 Would be advisable have a responsible for knowing many crafts, because many things, including clothing, must be produced by the group 3.6.9.2 The wood carving, making of baskets, etc 3.6.9.3 Leather crafts, for making some clothing, shoes, or moccasins at least? 3.6.9.4 Making ropes and vegetal lashes and ties from surrounding dogbane and similar plants 4. SHELTER One of the most vital thing for human existence! People along with their family member and their possesions should be protected Very important also the construction of the retreat, utilities, area designation, technologies of construction that will be maintained and assured also after the SHTF 4.1 Building Issues 4.1.1 Legalities 4.1.2 Architecture Solutions 4.1.2.1 Constructing Solutions 4.1.2.1.1 Dome 4.1.2.1.2 Normal House 4.1.2.1.3 Group of many Houses 4.1.2.1.4 Condo 4.1.2.2 How the spaces are utilized 4.1.2.2.1 Provisions Storage 4.1.2.2.2 Places for rest 4.1.2.2.3 Bedrooms 4.1.2.2.4 Baths 4.1.2.2.5 Common activity places 4.1.2.2.6 Dedicated activity Places 4.1.2.2.6.1 Clasroom 4.1.2.2.6.2 Radio Equipment Room 4.1.2.2.6.3 Temporary Storage room 4.1.2.2.6.4 Cooking places 4.1.3 Materials to be used 4.1.3.1 Depending on the type of threats RZ should face 4.1.3.2 Ecological - Health 4.1.3.3 Smooth blending with the RZ environment 4.1.3.4 Very Durable 4.1.3.5 No health hazards (asbestos, lead, etc) 4.1.4 Installations 4.1.4.1 Antennas 4.1.4.1.1 Satellite Dish 4.1.4.1.2 Radio & TV antennas 4.1.4.1.3 HAM Radio special antennas 4.1.4.1.4 CB - large coverage antena 4.1.4.2 Electric nstallations 4.1.4.2.1 lighting 4.1.4.2.2 Pumping 4.1.4.2.3 Electric part for heaters, boilers 4.1.4.3 Heating 4.1.4.4 Air filtering and conditioning 4.1.4.4.1 special attention when Anti-Nuclear Bunkers 4.1.4.4.2 try use natural systems, flow of air, but take care put stoppers which could stop everything in case Bio, Nuclear or Chemical attack) 4.1.4.5 Water distribution 4.1.4.6 Wasted installation, toilets, etc 4.1.4.6.1 Better search solution more ecologic, such composting toilets, etc 4.2 Wastewater treatment 4.2.1 Biodegradation - Bacterial means 4.2.2 Filtration 4.3 Garbage disposal: as much as ecological possible-not much place dump garbage! 4.3.1 Procedure and Codes for Garbage consideration: Throw away NOTHING! Everything must be used, repaired as much as possible and used again! No consummatorism encouraged waste! 4.3.2 Handling residues from human wastes 4.3.3 Handling residues from cooking, food preparing and conserving 4.3.4 Handling residues from other activities 4.3.5 Handling Hygienic and Epidemic risk garbage - PROCEDURE's & sollutions 4.4 Annexes 4.4.1 Sheds 4.4.2 Barns 4.4.3 garages 4.4.4 Technical Rooms 4.4.5 Workshops 4.4.6 Storage Tanks 4.4.6.1 Liquid Fuels 4.4.6.2 Gas Fuels 4.5 Security of the Radiant zone from construction phase 4.5.1 Access in-buidling assured: strong doors, walls, windows 4.5.2 Plan location for Observation Post for Sentries and Sentinel - During Day Time 4.5.3 Plan location for Listening Post for sentriesand Sentinel - During Night Time 4.5.4 Plan location for eventual Spider Holes, moats, trenches, covers 4.5.5 Take seriously Camouflage precautions 4.5.5.1 Avoid unnatural configuration, or things can attract "unwanted" attention 4.5.5.1.1 Previous experience show that is not good attract attention by barbwire, high masonry castle fences, etc. Do not look like an army retreat or something. Because for sure, there are forces out there, anytime can defeat any security systems you may have in place. The idea is those forces not be attracted by that retreat, in the first place 4.5.5.1.2 The retreat should not look like a fort! 4.5.5.1.3 The retreat should be outside of visual sight from regular roads 4.5.5.1.4 First circle of defense should be natural without rise suspicions (dense wood, rocks, etc) 4.5.5.2 From Air 4.5.5.2.1 Avoid vehicle tyre marks, on different places than the normal roads or alleys 4.5.5.2.2 Try to use the existing day shadow, casted by neighbor bodies, such trees, building, etc 4.5.5.2.3 Avoid leaving imprinted tracks of vehicles in the grass, or on exposed soft soil, use the pathways already there or walk through minor creek beds, etc 4.5.5.2.4 Learn to use the camouflage in night and at crepuscule 4.5.5.3 From road 4.5.5.4 Always try to have some part or side of the retreat covered by a natural hard be defetead natural obstacle 4.5.6 Special consideration should granted to places where are passing cables, pipes, disposal facilities, fuel tanks, risk of fire 4.5.7 Special assessment of the surrounding threats, such wildfires, floods risk, heavy storms, mud or water sliding, falling rocks, dams cracking and breaking, vicinity of volcanoes, avoid costal area by at least of 200 Km, avoid earthquakes high risk area, extremely dangerous animals, avoid closest garrisons, penitentiary, hospitals (put many tenths of km between you and such things) 4.6 Water drainage system around Radiant Zone 4.6.1 Rain Water 4.6.2 Infiltration Water 4.6.3 very well design drainage system taking in consideration violent floods, rains, etc 5. WATER We cannot live and function without water. A proper influx of quality water should be provided and maintained even in the worst case scenarios. These preparation should be thinking about and taken very good care. 5.1 Water Collecting 5.1.1 Springs, creeks 5.1.2 Wells 5.1.3 Rain water collectors 5.1.4 Transport with pipe or by recipients from surrounding area 5.1.5 Pools, basin, ponds (bathing, irrigation, for fire quelling 5.2 Water Storage 5.2.1 Medium Term considerations and amenities 5.2.2 Special consideration for Cooking & Drinking 5.2.3 Water for washing people, tools and clothes 5.2.4 Water for irrigations 5.3 Purification 5.3.1 Fixed facilities 5.3.1.1 Filtering - Separate the particles and some microorganisms (not safe drink) 5.3.1.2 Distilling - Is good to use for chemical poisoned waters (not for oils, toxic volatile agents; this stays good only for toxic or pollutants salts dissolved in water but not driven by water vapors into the condenser) 5.3.1.3 Biological safety (notchemical) 5.3.1.3.1 Chlorine, Bleach, Mineral Miracle Supplement 5.3.1.3.2 Iodine 5.3.1.3.3 Exposure of water to strong sun in transparent recipients - take care some plastics are emanating toxic substances into water, at higher pace when in sun 5.3.2 On the move, bushcraft purifying (case of Bug-Out, etc) 5.3.2.1 Ceramic water filters 5.3.2.2 Chlorine or Iodine disinfecting Pills 6. FOOD One of the most important aspect of our life. Without food we will starve, then we will die. A horrible and agonizing death. To prevent that, we should make provisions, must store, but we should think also in the distant perspective when our stock will finish and we cannot replenish from the SUPERMARKET! Therefore we must ensue, that we have the means and skills to provide to our group, fresh food. As the food providing is sesonal we also must have the skills, to preserve gathered food on auspicious times In scarcity condition, for which we are heading towards, it is of utmost importance assure the minimum amount of calories, minerals, micro and macro nutrients, vitamines and essential aminoacids, needed for a healthy and good functioning of the body! Did I mention that someone cannot eat stored food for ever? That after a few months of eating only stored food, sores are developing in mouth and on the skin? That we need fresh herbs, vegetabless and fruits, from time to time to supplement the good caloric boost from stock food (grains, beans, cans, etc)? Thus we need the resources, skills and know-how to provide this fresh food to our community. 6.1 Cooking 6.1.1 Cooking Recipes 6.1.2 Methods of cooking 6.1.3 Oven 6.1.3.1 Dutch Oven 6.1.3.2 Bread Oven 6.1.3.3 Solar Oven 6.1.4 Stove 6.1.4.1 Liquid Fuel Stove 6.1.4.2 Wooden Stove 6.1.4.3 Gas 6.1.4.4 Camping Stove 6.1.5 Grills 6.1.5.1 Charcoals 6.1.5.2 Liquid Fuel 6.1.6 Utensils 6.1.6.1 Cutlery 6.1.6.2 Pots 6.1.6.3 Dish Cloths & Dish Towels, different cloths needed in kitchen or cheese cloth, etc 6.1.6.4 Kitchen Hand Tools (may be lack of electricity!) 6.1.6.4.1 Mincers 6.1.6.4.2 Grain Mill (for your tones of grains-that store better than flour) 6.1.6.4.3 Graters 6.1.6.4.4 Sieves 6.2 Storage 6.2.1 Mid term 1-2 years 6.2.1.1 Honey 6.2.1.2 Oil&Fats 6.2.1.3 Pasta 6.2.1.4 Spices & Prservatives 6.2.1.5 Flour 6.2.1.6 Sweets 6.2.1.7 Rice 6.2.1.8 Pickles 6.2.1.9 Dehydrated legumes and fruits 6.2.1.10 Gems, Marmalades 6.2.1.11 Powder Milk, Condensed Milk Cans, Butter cans 6.2.1.12 Bicuits, Danish Cookies 6.2.2 Long Term > 2 years 6.2.2.1 Meals Ready To Eat (MRE) 6.2.2.2 Cans 6.2.2.3 Beans, Grains 6.3 Preservation Methods 6.3.1 Drying 6.3.2 Salting 6.3.3 Smoking 6.3.4 Canning 6.3.5 Pickling 6.3.6 Marmalade, Jams 6.4 Gathering Fresh Food 6.4.1 Sprouting from beans and grains 6.4.2 Gathering Wild Edibles: fruits, roots, herbs, wild vegetables, berries, chestnuts, nuts, hazelnuts, ACCORN, sweet wood worms, locusts 6.4.3 Hunting, trapping 6.4.4 Fishing 6.5 Farming 6.5.1 Animal Breeding and raising 6.5.1.1 Cattle raising 6.5.1.2 Beekeeping Apiculture - Honey, Wax, Propolis, bee royal jelly, polen 6.5.1.3 Aquaculture 6.5.1.4 Birds, chickens & hens, geese, ducks 6.5.1.5 Small Mammals (rabbits, Guinea pigs) 6.5.2 Agriculture 6.5.2.1 Knowledge & Experience 6.5.2.2 Seeds 6.5.2.3 Land (prepared) 6.5.2.4 Greenhouse 6.5.2.5 Orchard 6.5.2.6 Aquaponics - Hydroponics 6.5.2.7 Tools 6.5.2.7.1 Hand tools: Gardening, plowing, digging 6.5.2.7.2 Tractor plus motortools 6.5.2.7.3 Animal plough, etc 6.5.2.8 Fertiliser 6.5.2.8.1 Natural composted 6.5.2.8.2 Chemical 7. SECURITY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS, after food, water and shelter. Even is a chore, permanent watch routines, keeping sentries alert to any movement, organising patrols and put in place a system of early alarming of anything might approach to our retreat, is of collosal importance. As well as good weaponry skills and fighting tehniques, should be learned by al able members. That, along with the well handling of the COMMUNICATION means, in order to transmit intelligence data or wake up alarms. Did I said we need procedures we must know what to do, even someone just wake in the middle of the night? Did I miss saying that this should become as a second nature, to know what to do if this and that happens? Do you remeber the lessons from human biology about IMMUNITARY SYSTEM from school? That, of defending the whole body? And it never sleeps, that immunitary systems, because when will happen somethng wrong with it, our body get sick and we die. 7.1 Procedure for assuring the security 7.2 Daytime, Nocturnal Watch, 6 h, or 8h, constant watch 7.2.1 Very Important for the safety of the group 7.2.2 All able should partake watch and training and patrols 7.2.3 All must be instructed of using COMM devices (talkie-walkie, wire phones, light and visual signalizing) respecting radio silence when required 7.2.4 All must to know to use many alarming systems and panic alarms in case something happens outside retreat 7.3 Security of retreat 7.3.1 Sentries POSTS watching retreat and immediate surroundings 7.3.1.1 OBSERVATION POST (day) 7.3.1.2 LISTENING POST (night) 7.3.2 Perimeter assured security 7.3.2.1 Natural obstacles (woods, bushes, stones) 7.3.2.2 Fences 7.3.2.3 Moats 7.3.2.4 Trenches 7.3.2.5 Traps, etc 7.3.3 Alarming Systems 7.3.3.1 Systems be triggered by sentries to inform the inside group threat is coming (Beside ther usualy COMM use (takie-Walkie+Wire Phone) 7.3.3.1.1 All Observation/Listening and sentries post have panic alarm buttons wired inside retreat to small wall alarms; so if sudden attack they push these buttons 7.3.3.1.2 In case of redundancy there are air horn alarms in every post 7.3.3.2 Autonomous Electronic Systems 7.3.3.3 Mechanical Systems (for ex. wires pull flares, or sound bells) 7.3.3.4 Dogs, geese, etc 7.4 Security of Neighborhood 7.4.1 Patrolling 7.4.2 Joining with other retreats or neighbor community in stopping a common enemy 7.5 Weaponry 7.5.1 Combat Weapons 7.5.1.1 NON fire weapons 7.5.1.2 Fire Weapons 7.5.2 Utilitary Weapons 7.5.2.1 Hunting 7.5.2.2 Varmints and pest control 7.5.3 Everybody should be train in the weapon usage and advance in specific likened weapon 8. HEALTH Supposed to assure an overal good health state among the group members. What should be more emphasing that for the long run, the natural panaceea provided by nature should be used. Natural remedies, teas, etc should be preferred of those expiring medicines from the stock. Be informed that some medicines, just loosing the healing power over the body when expired, while other turn in toxic substances, making more harm than good. The actual medicines have a few years expiry date! Some of them became dangerous after expiring date! We highly need amongst us, people with medical, nursing and dentist skills. Some training course in paramedics or survival medicine would be a skill appreciated everywhere, so worth make the effort and do such a training! 8.1 Stock of Medicines 8.1.1 Medicines 8.1.1.1 Antibiotics 8.1.1.2 Antiviral 8.1.1.3 Anti-inflammatory 8.1.1.4 Diuretics 8.1.1.5 Dehydration salts 8.1.1.6 Antihistaminics 8.1.1.7 Fever relieving 8.1.1.8 Anti vomiting & vomiting inducers (poisonings) 8.1.1.9 Antidiarrhea 8.1.1.10 Antiparasitary 8.1.1.11 Anesthetics 8.1.1.12 Vitamins, Minerals, Micronutrients, Omega 3(fish oil) 8.1.1.13 Ginseng, etc 8.1.1.14 Anti infections - throat, lungs, urinary 8.1.1.15 Antimycotics, antifungic, antibacterial 8.1.1.16 Dental disinfectant (clove oil) 8.1.1.17 Dental anesthetics 8.1.1.18 Prescription drugs for different ailments (heart, diabetes, etc) 8.1.2 Chemical substances used in treatments 8.1.2.1 Insects repellents 8.1.2.2 Iodine 8.1.2.3 Alcohol 8.1.2.4 Tincture of Benzoin (for better sticking band-aids) 8.1.2.5 Perfusion liquids 8.1.3 Bandages, band-aids, Hemostatic gelatin sponge 8.2 Knowledgeable people 8.2.1 Doctors 8.2.2 Nurses 8.2.3 Dentists 8.3 Child-birthing 8.4 Instruments and tools 8.4.1 Syringes, needles, surgical blades, tweezers, clamp scissors, scissors, etc 8.4.2 For treatment of wounds 8.4.3 Surgery 8.4.4 Dental handling 8.4.5 Means of transport for injured members 8.5 Traditional Healing Consideration 8.5.1 Medical Plants 8.5.1.1 recognize them - Books, Illustrated cards 8.5.1.2 Know what and when to harvest the plants 8.5.1.3 How to process 8.5.1.4 How to Storage 8.5.1.5 How to administrate to the ill 8.5.1.6 Know how can plant yourself by stored seeds 8.5.2 Will be of utmost vital importation after the modern medicines, antibiotics, aspirins are gone, or expired 8.5.2.1 Know how make Home make penicillin 8.5.2.2 Know that the the tea of dried and minced willow bark tree (salix Alba) it containSALICIN, acting as aspirin 8.5.3 Different substances in house for treating illnesses (vinegar, Olive oil, Rosemarie etheric oils, etc) 8.6 Health exercises 8.6.1 Qi Gong 8.6.2 Tai Chi 8.6.3 Pilates 8.6.4 Yoga 8.6.5 Workout routines 9. COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS - COMM One of the most important feature is that of connection with outside world, with keeping in touch between different subgroups or activities. Imagine yourself in a remote area, without any information about what's happened? After months and months, living with the same people, you may ask yourself what was happening? You long to know some piece of information. So, here is coming into help this discipline helping us also to keep us in contact and to collect INTELLIGENCE data, which after dissemination and thoroughly analyze will be the base for , some tough decision to be made! By existing or not these intel data, our life is at stake. The connection with the large world will be made by HAM radio, either CW Morse code, RTTY, serial data transmission with Fidonet, or voice with other Radiant zones. Codification and cryptografic procedures should be put in place. Radio silence procedures should be in place, when required by tactical situation. 9.1 COMM Procedures 9.1.1 Radio Silence Procedure 9.1.2 Codes and Cryptographic Message encoding/decoding 9.1.3 Intelligence gathering, analyzing and reporting Procedures 9.1.3.1 Direct Human Observation 9.1.3.1.1 Sky watching for flights, aircrafts, choppers hovering, other worrisome PHENOMENA 9.1.3.1.2 Observing movements 9.1.3.1.2.1 Normal, regular people (maybe they are in the know of something) 9.1.3.1.2.2 Military or para military troops 9.1.3.1.2.3 Vehicles, especially odd and unusual from the common 9.1.3.1.3 Any changing in environment without explanation 9.1.3.2 Radio Scanner - Duty, Private Non encrypted Channels 9.1.3.2.1 Police, Sheriff agents 9.1.3.2.2 Army agents 9.1.3.2.3 Governmental agencies 9.1.3.2.4 Hospital ambulances communication 9.1.3.2.5 Truckers bands 9.1.3.3 Public Broadcasting 9.1.3.4 Radio-amateurs Radio Communications - HAM Radio 9.1.3.5 From other neighboring people 9.1.3.5.1 Neighbor communities 9.1.3.5.2 From Patrolling trips 9.1.3.5.3 Rumors, etc 9.2 Inside Radiant Zone Communications 9.2.1 By loud voice 9.2.2 By signs visible with eyes 9.2.2.1 Singns - Daytime 9.2.2.2 Light codes - Night time 9.2.3 Wireline phone 9.2.3.1 Old 2 wire old phone between different building blocks and activity places 9.2.3.2 Between Sentries from Observation and Watching Post 9.2.4 Intercoms 9.2.4.1 Bads: simplex and contain electronics (EMP risk) better with Old 2 wire line phone 9.2.5 Two-way radio - Simplex (one speaks at a time, the other listens) 9.2.5.1 Different standards 9.2.5.1.1 Check Legalities for that area 9.2.5.1.2 Different tactics need different powers and coverages 9.2.5.1.2.1 Most of time desired range as max as possible 9.2.5.1.2.2 Sometime is best to reduce to minimum the range, just avoid be "listened" 9.2.5.1.3 CB Radio 27 MHz 9.2.5.1.3.1 FQ: 27 Mhz, 9.2.5.1.3.2 long range: tenths of KM 9.2.5.1.3.3 When Patrolling, between patrols and Radiant Zone 9.2.5.1.3.4 Between Radiant Zone and other citizens, neighbor communities 9.2.5.1.4 Talkie Walkie 9.2.5.1.4.1 PMR446 system -EUROPE; short distance max 0.5 W, range: 0.8 - 3 Km, 9.2.5.1.4.2 FRS & GMRS - Licensed in US (460 MHz), max 5W, range: up to 45 Km 9.2.5.1.4.3 MURS- Business COM, but OK personal (150 Mhz), Max 2W, range 0.8 -3 Km 9.2.5.2 Short Distances - Tactical and Utilitary 9.2.5.2.1 Observation Post - Buildings (redundancy) 9.2.5.2.2 Between different members scattered on the Radiant Zone area 9.2.5.2.3 During Patrolling 9.2.5.2.4 During Bug-Out Operations 9.2.5.2.5 During low level combat operations (when no need respect RADIO SILENCE) 9.3 Communications between Radiant Zone and outer world 9.3.1 Ham Radio - Radio Amateur radio - Using this information channel we can transmit 9.3.1.1 RTTY 9.3.1.2 Serial data transmissions to other Radio-Amateur 9.3.1.3 To PPP computee network such Fidonet 9.3.2 By letters carried by messengers, if the road were opened and some security is in place 9.3.3 Some can think use even messenger pigeons 9.4 Intelligence Data collection - INTEL 9.4.1 INTEL Information Gathering 9.4.2 INTEL Information Analysing & Reporting 9.4.2.1 The outcome is Information on which the Group will react to the threats 10. ENERGY Nothing works without energy! Therefore this feature should be thoroughly given attention. We should cover each and every scenario and energy should be assured. The most important for long term will be wood, some fuel for light and electric energy. Research in radiant energy should provide us with FREE ENERGY. The research internationaly is quelled down by TPTB, because affecting their demographic policies. 10.1 Thermal Energy 10.1.1 Liquid Fuels 10.1.1.1 Diesel 10.1.1.2 Gasoline + Preservers 10.1.1.3 Kerosene 10.1.1.4 Motor Oils 10.1.2 Solid Fuels 10.1.2.1 Wood 10.1.2.2 Coals 10.1.3 Gas Fuels 10.1.3.1 Biogas - recuperable from decomposing organic matter - way of recycle 10.1.3.2 Butane, propane gas 10.2 Electric Energy 10.2.1 Solar 10.2.2 Wind 10.2.3 Water fall 10.2.4 Batteries 10.2.5 Accumulators for storage 10.3 Tesla Radiant Energy or OVERUNITY ENERGY 10.3.1 Lutec Electricity Amplifier 10.3.2 Thomas Henry Moray rectifiers 11. SANITATION Do not underestimate the cleaning, disinfection and pest control which may spread nasty disease. Periodical cleaning, disinfection, limecoating will be in place. More importance should be given to the food storage area, food processing are and kitchen where food is prepared. After floods or some nasty disease outbreaks, good and thoroughly sanitation must be put in place! The rodents, pests, dead and rotting corpses around our retreat are source of disease and pandemics. We must keep a clean and safe environment around us. 11.1 Periodic cleaning 11.1.1 Buildings 11.1.2 Storage facilities 11.1.3 Clothes 11.2 Pest control 11.2.1 Ferals 11.2.2 Rodents 11.2.3 Termites 11.2.4 Roaches 11.2.5 Grain Pests 11.3 Disinfection 11.3.1 Periodically 11.3.2 After Floods 11.3.3 After epidemics 11.4 Lime coating (powerful and cheap disinfectant; also look nice and clean) 12.TRANSPORT Transport will be used for: People when moving far from retreat, patrolling, etc When bringing to retreat different stuff, such cutted wood, harvested crops, etc 12.1 Vehicles 12.1.1 Fuel consideration 12.1.1.1 Short time: 1 year gasoline 12.1.1.2 2 years: gasoline with preservative 12.1.1.3 More than 3 years: Diesel 12.1.1.4 Methanol 12.1.2 Cars 12.1.3 Tractors 12.1.4 Carts 12.1.5 Wheelbarrows 12.1.6 Carriage 12.1.7 Traction/transport animals 12.1.7.1 Horses 12.1.7.2 Donkeys 12.1.7.3 Buffalos 12.2 Transport Recipients 12.2.1 Bushels 12.2.2 Buckets 12.2.3 Sacks 12.2.4 Drums 12.3 Accessories 12.3.1 Ropes 12.3.2 Ties 12.3.3 Textile cloths 12.3.4 Chains 12.3.5 Bungee elastic cords 13.TRAINING Cannot highlight enough the importance of training! Most important of all, the military training, because most of folks, never had this training Why military? Because in the ****ty times ahead we expect, always some peoples will think that is easy to prey on other peoples which they prepared in advance. These people will think that is OK to take by force what they want. Our mission is to prove them they are wrong. Not only that, but also different government folks or agencies might have some plans for us, without asking our approval, How we can face them with a bunch of untrained people? You guess how; we train them! As any of the skills, the weapons handling and military skills, must be practiced a lot. Even we discussing fire arms, or bow and arrows, or just a simply catapulte... Everything need knowledge and practice. 13.1 Military Procedures 13.1.1 Defense 13.1.2 Patrolling 13.1.3 Weapon Handling 13.1.4 Hand to hand combat 13.2 Health Exercises 14.LEARNING The process of knowledge transfer of humans, besides the survival power per se, is assuring knowledge is passed from one member to another. What if the only doctor gets sick? Or what if the military instructor gets badly injured? We need to diseminate information of all sorts, between members and creating skill redundancy people! This is very important for children the community ! Also, very important for rest of the members, to keep their minds wheels, always in motion! 14.1 Learning Methods 14.2 Classes of 14.2.1 Farm land living 14.2.2 cooking 14.2.3 food preserving 14.2.4 Wild edible recognize classes 14.2.5 Crafts 14.2.6 Foreign Languages 14.2.7 History 14.2.8 Socio-Politics 14.2.9 Science 14.2.10 Medicine 14.2.11 Know plants and herbs 14.2.12 Natural healing 14.3 Information Sources 14.3.1 Printings 14.3.2 Books 14.3.3 Computers in a networks 14.3.4 Digital data storage 14.3.4.1 CD, DVD 14.3.4.2 Memory sticks 14.3.4.3 Hardrives 14.3.4.4 MP3 players,iPODS 14.3.5 Audio bands, cassettes 14.3.6 Video cassettes 15.LEISURE TIME Time specialy designated for strenghtening community bondage, sharing knowledges and experiences, a good way for morale boosting. REMEMBER, in the coming times, we will need that morale booster, alot! 15.1 Reading 15.2 Singing 15.3 Playing Instruments 15.4 Video Games 15.5 Society Games 15.6 Music Listening 15.7 Story Telling 15.8 Theatre scenettes 15.9 Organizing Holidays for different Nationality in RZ 16.CRAFTS Very important for maintaing our material base. Things get broken, coming apart. New things or accesories must be manufacturated. Can we buy them? Not very lightly! So, we must have a heap of materials and tools, along with people with skills, to be able make that needed things for us. Also the retreat has a lot of systems and mechanisms. Imagine how it would be without that working properly! 16.1 Tools, Tids & Bits 16.1.1 Materials & Parts 16.1.1.1 Screws, Nuts, bolts 16.1.1.2 Metal sheets, plates 16.1.1.3 Pipes 16.1.1.4 Wires, cable 16.1.1.5 Parts & SUbparts for different sub-systems, vehicles and apparatus 16.1.2 Hand-tools 16.1.2.1 Covering all crafts we have people specialized on 16.1.2.2 Many Tool kits, easy handling and transporting where is need 16.1.3 Power tools 16.1.3.1 Power Drills, electric saws, etc 16.2 Skills person in 16.2.1 Carpentry 16.2.2 Construction 16.2.3 Metalwork 16.2.4 Mechanics 16.2.5 Gunsmithing 16.2.6 General Handyman 16.2.7 Welding 16.2.8 Plumbing 16.2.9 Electronics & Electricity 16.2.10 IT guy 16.2.11 Cloth making: looming, Sewing, Crochetting, Knitting 16.3 Craft are producing 16.3.1 Leather articles 16.3.2 Tools & Utensils 16.3.3 Clothes, textiles 16.3.4 Accessories: Bags, Rucsacks 16.4 Reparations 16.4.1 Different things 16.4.2 Different systems 17.ABANDON RETREAT In difficult times, when the retreat is attacked by supperior forces, which will ooust the resistence force, the community leader along with the military expert should take the painful decision to leave the retreat. Far in advance, based on differnt INTEL of perils approaching, from INTEL Officer, the group should make provisions caches along the way to bug out places, such caves, forrest, etc. Very important: 1. Intel we have, must be correctly assessed 2. The military force correct estimation 3. The preparation be made in time Remember, if need leave the retreat in middle of the night, just with some backsacks, the probability of survival the group, in the following days will be very low, close to nil! The bug-out could be decided for threats not necesarilly military, such heavy winds, or floods or meteorits shower, when a cave or a natural deep underground shelter will offer better chance of survival. But those places, should be secured well in advance. Caches with food, water, materials and tools shoud be already prepared on the way to the final retreat. 17.1 Why to bug out from retreat? Aren't we safe here? 17.1.1 Cases when remaining in retreat is endangering the life 17.2 Major dangers 17.2.1 Huge attack on the retreat; assessment of the military command say we can't defeat 17.2.2 Meteorites shower and retreat not resistant at 17.2.3 Devastating fires in the nearby woods with possibility of totally devastation RZ 17.2.4 Huge attack EMP or attack type Blue Beam Project, need go caves 17.2.5 Different threats ousting the limited defending capacity of the group 17.3 Where 17.3.1 Caves 17.3.2 Hidden places in woods 17.3.3 Wholes, labyrinths in the rock, ground, etc 17.4 Abandon Procedures 17.4.1 Already need be in place 17.4.2 How to abandon retreat, order, what take what leave 17.5 Caches 17.5.1 Water 17.5.2 Food 17.5.3 Materials and equipment (sleeping bags, warm clothes, flashlights, water filters) 17.5.4 Importance of caches: places furnished with food, materials, weapon in advance in hidden places just in case scenarios 17.5.5 How to hide the caches, systems of retrieve after the hidden caches ================================================== ========================================== What is your opinion, if someone is observing all of these issues will be in the safe side, or not? 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Thank you Artvision .
Lots to work on there. This will take some time. I am off now to the UK for a week. Keep the thread burning friends. Do well. loving kindness mudra |
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TtC...no more pm's please..I am not going to open it. Mudra said you would present us your vision, and answer any questions I have.
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Yes, but Mudra does not speak for me, only I do. I suggest you open it. It is the last one.
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I cannot open it...I deleted it. I don't want anymore pm's I just want some answers...if you choose not to state your vision for all here to see..that is your choice
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I am posting this as a courtesy:
Hello Brook, It seems I have caused some confusion. Firstly, no matter what, you cannot control what others think or do. That is what I meant by quoting Crowley when he said “do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” The only thing I can do is control myself. Whatever anyone else does, you have no control over it. As for the reference about cataclysm and the NWO, I find that, yes, there is only a stream of well-being that flows. I do not wish for such things to happen and will not attract such things to myself, but others may. I cannot help that. My intentions for communities is to move away from fear. I want them to be an alternative to current society where we can learn and grow with like minded people in order to move our evolution forward. I know you want to stay in the city or what have you, and I do not object to this. I have the resources to create such a community for those who wish to go there and I am the option is available to them. The property is no where near the Bakken Formation region, it's actually in west Montana away from that. I used to work in the oil field in Alberta and there is no reason why I would go back to the same situation. I am trying to get away from the use of oil, but it is good for the production of plastics and lubricants. Corn is being tested for the same thing as I recall. This is a very large project. I have, indeed, been working on this since I was young. Just something I was compelled to do and I have written nearly ten thousand pages and five million words on how the society will function including logistics for continuance. As you may have seen, Artvision has a good start and it is more complicated than most think. I know you have had some rough times, as have many others, but I feel no reason why we cannot work things out. If you would like the Abraham material, you are more than welcome to it. I will be reiterating my proposal with some clarity, later, for people to look at. Thank you, TtC Mind you, this is not up for debate. |
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Thank you for the offer of the Abraham - Hicks material...however I have most of it already. Been acquanted with the materian for quite some time now. From the very first book to the present, and many Cd's as well...very good material..and highly recommended :thumb_yello:
By "mind you this is not up for debate"..does that mean you are unwilling to discuss some of the pressing questions that many here have...and instead of confrontation, Just simple question and answer time about some of the areas of concern? |
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I did switch on the save out-going messages though in case something like this did happen. I will answer areas of concern and whatnot, but I will not engage in arguing. If I stop answering a certain inquirer then it would be for this reason. |
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As I stated, Ttc..I will not attack you and I will listen with open ears, and mind...all you have to to do is state your position on the concerns
Be honest with me now Ttc..you have a confrontational way of screening. As several have expressed....this might be part of the biggest problem with the realization of your project. Do you at least agree, that that might be why so many here might have been rubbed the wrong way in the beginning? I know it was a huge red flag with me. It could be the largest part of the reason so many here are suspect, and question your motives.... I know you are young, and maybe dealing with the public is not your thing...I myself deal with the public on a daily basis...it is my job to sell myself first...and This is not intended as criticism...and it is not in any way an attack on you...many people do not have that skill...it took me a while to learn it. I used to be a performer while I was in college...and getting on a stage was the hardest thing I ever had to do...however I overcame the fear, and finally learned to cope.... then the skill grew in leaps and bounds...sort of like Abraham-hicks style...the law of attraction set in and took off. But this is not about me ...back to the whys and what evers.... In the screening process..what were you looking for in an individual? |
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To all who it may concern,
I like debate and am for it. What I am not for is the increasing levels of innuendo, character assault and blatant aggression that has been witnessed recently on this forum. I am simply asking you - pleading with you actually - to stop doing it. A.. |
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Ttc,
Hi there. I request that you openly publish the preamble. Thank you. Peace of Mind, Wormhole ps. When ever you can. |
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sorry to offend it was not my intention
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I've read many of your excellent posts on this forum - and when you announced you were leaving I read a few of them again. So I know you understand the difference between off-topic and on-topic. Your story is somewhat off-topic - but you posted it regardless. Assuming there is purpose to it, then I can only assume that by implication and in the context of this thread, are you stating that your purpose is to stop TtC from abusing people ? Isn't that a loaded proposition - don't you see how that accuses TtC of harmful intent? Was that your purpose? If not then what exactly was it? Don't you think that its possible that people are somewhat bothered by the oblique way you are approaching this inquiry you pursue TtC with? Do you really think people here even need that kind of help? I think people here deserve a few things: 1) Respect 2) Tolerance 3) Honesty 4) A hearing 5) More respect A.. |
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That is the context you set for my interpretation of your message. Now if there is anything to expose then this is justified. Is there? Anyway thanks for clarifying your position. A.. |
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I guess for the recoud ttc..that was not intended, or directed at you in any way...it was just an explanation, addressing the post about segregating from society that was brought up much early on in this thread.
It would be along the lines of topic here as to weather start a radient zone, or stay and hold the fort down I guess...I'm a little thrown off on this. Again... this has nothing to do with ttc..and only to do with why those might stay and create their onw safty zone, as best possible I guess also off topic I will remove it |
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Ttc best of luck in your building of community...if I have unjustly accused you..I am so sorry....I actually this time wanted to help you share your vision...as I believe you just are not very good at explaning to the members what is is you intend.. Someone just told my I am taking this all to personally...well I will humble myself and say...you're right...sorry Anchor you were so offended..it was not my intention. |
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Question: What were you looking for in an individual?
Answer: We are looking for people who are willing to contribute to a community with the goal of creating a better society with like minded people and have the mission statement and basic premises resonate with them. Statment: I request that you openly publish the preamble. Counter-statement: The link below is the Fiscal Preamble. It has been changed from the original fiscal gist that was posted elsewhere in order to clarify some points. As it states at the beginning, it is by no means a be all or end all. It is to give a basic idea for those concerned about money and whether or not is will cost them anything. Short answer: it's free. Fiscal Preamble I will make a general statement about segregation and integration and my feelings about it. I do not wish to segregate anyone, but in creating a community is may look as if we do not want to be with the rest of humanity. I would say one of the greater concerns is about self-sufficiency. In most metropolitan areas, it is somewhat hard to even grow your own vegetables year round to support yourself, let alone have a dairy cow. There are many people, not just those who want a different place to live, but those just looking for better quality food. I think that is why most farmer's markets exist. That, and supporting local growers. In a way, yes, it is segregating, but others have the opportunity to do exactly as you do. I would be more than happy to integrate people into the community if they wanted. I don't think the majority of society would like to move buildings to make way for garden plots so we could integrate suburbia as a whole. We cannot wake everyone up. Some of you may have experienced it. The more you try the more the person resists. They will come around in their own time, but some just don't want to be awake. We are segregated now, and not just by our philosophies, but by income brackets, religions, races, gender, sexual orientation, the fields of study we pursue, the jobs we work at. We all hang out in groups and if someone of unlike interests comes by, most will steer clear because they don't like the topic of conversation. I don't think there will ever be a full integration, we are all different and that contrast makes the world go round. If we were all the same, it would be a dull and boring place. |
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Thanks!
Peace of Mind, Wormhole Sorry, I had to laugh about the line..."Those of you who are worried about material wealth and preservation." Thanks again for the preamble. I wish you only the best. I would like to order a copy of the pages. I will be in touch for that. Any other info you would like to share will be greatly appreciated. |
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Dears,
Up to now, here on thread, I observed three major main approaches, to the idea of safety retreating : A. The preparation as best as possible, at your existing home location, which is, of course, located in "civilized" world meaning a city/town of some sort? B. The constructing of the Radiant Zone (RZ) by someone with financial means, something like a condo, or furnished apartments waiting to receive their tenants? C. The construction of a RZ by a cooperative of each respective member contributing, by buying his piece of land, somehow neighbouring one with each other, then using the common powers (financial, work force) to construct for each memeber a house/shelter of the independent lot of each other, being more cheaply, than a individual approach; and more prone a company will move heavy machinery in a very remote place. By this, we are constructing like a small village where everybody can have their own piece of property but will act as a single entity in protecting, working to obtain food, resources, etc... Now there is also to clarify the basis on which, people are let in, into these RZ after they are ready - by any of the method B, C (A is not feasible because is your own house): For B and C by methods of making: 1) The people let in, accepted, by the entity which constructed that RZ on some kind of agreement of some sort (case B) or by the cooperative agreement between the StartUp-ers (case C) 2) After the initial population of the retreat, regardless, B or C method new admission will be: 2.1. The next people to come are under careful scrutiny of the existing members and their admission is based of a sort of "approval" from the majority/unanimity of the existing members and they must abode to a certain set of retreat rules 2.2. Or, let inside anybody, anyhow, from anywhere, without any agreement nor responsibility of any sort, anybody can leave, can do whatever, at the best of the capacity Did I understand correctly, correct me if I'm wrong?! |
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Though I think Ttc will/should be able to address these reasonings, I have to say that all these questions and more should be posed and probed to the best of our abilities.
Now the community that I am working with does have a few rules that have been stated: No guns Participation: planting, harvesting, upkeep of your lodging and communal lodging. includes: Being present for council meetings, being a equal part of the council, communicating your views using the premisses of Non-violent communication. Being service to others. Honesty. Tolerance of others differences and cultural choices. We have a manual outlining the plan of the community which I will download and share. This is a spiritual place, not based in a fear paradigm. Though we think from the head, we also think from the heart. There is a lot of work to be done. Everyone needs to think about what they want. What they are willing to do. Who they are. And not be in judgement of this. All answers really do lead to God. There is no separation here. You can live in a city and be true of heart or live in another way and feel that is your destiny. It's all good. Different societies will begin and change and meld... our only constant "change" is always our teacher. To become a part of any community will change that community just through your joining it. Energy moves... Take heart... Be your own community first with a centered heart and a love for all. Then your truth will resonate no matter where you are! Peace of Mind, Wormhole |
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I too envisage a community.
It will be suitable for those that choose to remain embodied through the ascension process. The members will be people who find it by following their hearts and via the workings of the law of attraction. Its construction will be manifest by the focussed intent of all those who take part. In keeping with the law of allowance, there will be no rules. Love A.. |
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I will agree with Wormhole on the premise that it is not fear-based but a spiritual place.
The community I propose is closer to your B statement. I will elaborate. The way I have designed a lot of the community has to do more with physical mechanical integration of systems that are interconnected to help the community and reduce its environmental impact. That being said, statement A is not valid and statement C seems a little unfair to me. I want to offer everyone an equal opportunity whereas statement C is a kind of "fend for yourself within a loosely knit group" kind of thing. Whoever has the most money gets the nicest retreat. At the moment, the housing arrangements in my community are on a tell us you're interested in coming and we'll build you a house kind of basis. A different scenario would be tomorrow I get a massive influx of people who are all welcome and we have five hundred people there. We would be more inclined to convert to a loosely apartmentish type arrangement. I actually have this covered, but I'm keeping it short. Number 1, Case B: I have proposed a variation of this in order to keep everyone level. If everyone agrees to the same thing, then there are no loop holes per se. I wouldn't say there are strict rules as of yet, because so many factors are population dependent, the "basic premises" give everyone something to work with. At a later time and with more people a formal charter may be drafted, but in doing so, clauses must be written in for the evolution of the community, the people, the society, and the charter itself. I think Case C would have several things in common with Case B. To clarify, I have passed the premises through more than just myself and they were revised and edited to be more accommodating. Number 2.1 I think there would have to be a certain amount of scrutiny. In such a situation there are liable to be people of unsound mind and well as those with malicious intent. Number 2.2 Letting anyone in with no responsibility placed on them could cause harm to a community. You could have twenty people come in and eat all your food and leave in three days while stealing your stuff. A drastic example, but in such a scenario, there are bound to be those who go Mad Max and turn into looters and whatnot. With either of number two, a certain amount of discretion should be employed, but you have to look at it from a logical standpoint because after a catastrophe there is a likelihood that some of the residents will allow fear to be a dominantly deciding factor when faced with a large number of refugees. |
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I added the Introductory word, which has been wiped out when passing from outliner (it was a note in there) to the word processor, being very tired after working for 2 days as visual and another for outlining, adding notes etc.
As TtC said, in one of the previous posts, who thinks this is easy business, making a RZ, is not truthful with himself. If so much work just to line up the titles of chapters and subchapters only, imagine what will be to fill in with information (proper and verified), not mention the fact of bring such project to a working reality! You can read it, added in the same Radiant Zone Guide post at PAGE 7 of this thread: INTRODUCTORY WORD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...t=15480&page=7 |
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