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Perhaps I should wait to see if there is any negative feedback before I make a decision.............its pending for now

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Question.

In the world of your Special Forces, Military \ Civil Intelligence and other agencies involved with sneaky pete, 1997 was a watershed year. If you are still some times employed by these powers that be in some role, how come 1997 doesn't apply to you?

This puzzled me for a while so I thought in the interest of fairness I had to ask before writing any more. As I wrote above - 1997 - The entire covert world was transformed forever. So, why not you too if you were employed in the psyops world even as a green badger by that date?

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1997. The (UK) covert world was changed forever. I will wait for an answer to my question before carrying on.

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Without going into any detail, as this does not concern anyone here, on such an open arena as this. For your information the Unit I am alligned with is a joint UK/US Unit. 1997, lets see, one or two reforms, concerns over spending in Intel circles, inter-rivalry between agencies, nothing new there. Looking for safehouse in US at time, found one in Vermont. Did some filming in Rendlesham with Miles Johnston. Tony Blair and Labour Gov assigned. Hmmmm, see nothing that changes the scenery!
The one thing which sets aside WHY I am still alligned is because of who/what I am and what I can do. This arena is too open for any description on that I'm afraid. Dialogue will not be entered into here. Employees/contractors/assets blend into an area not too well defined in certain circumstances.

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My pleasure:original:

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What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?

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SPENT HOURS READING THIS THREAD..........................WOW

EGG YOU HAVE A VALID POINT AND MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THAT IF I HAD TO STAND ALONGSIDE SOMEONE IT WOULD BE EGG.

FOR WHAT MY OPINION IS WORTH ONCE PSY OPS WAS MENTIONED MY OWN PERSONAL SIRENS WENT OFF.........AND I AM A NO-ONE, NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILITARY OR ITS WORKINGS.

ITS JUST AN OPINION THE WATCHER AND IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT

BUT WE ON THIS FORUM MUST BE ON OUR GUARD AND GUARD WHAT WE MAY KNOW.

MY RESPECTS EGG :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

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Hmm, nope not US citizen, a strange aside is that I was required to sign not only the OSA but the American secrecy oath in July of 1979. sep units working as one. I will not detail further than that as this is heading away from what was envisioned for this forum. Some areas of my past/present will remain witheld unless I see a direct reasoning as to why I should openly disclose. Perhaps we can get back to business or do we continue to drive in circles?:original:

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I can fully understand and respect your views, I think I have been very open and forthcoming with data here, some might say too open, but thats me. If I did not know myself I would not initially trust me either LOL (little light hearted interjection LOL). No problem, as stated above, if anyone sees my being here a threat or an intimidation I can just as easily stop now and walk away.:original:

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Oh your not driving in circles at all - your travelling to my destination. Two seperate journies with two seperate destinations.

Now - firstly 1997.

Let me refresh your memory and inform other readers. All peoples employed by Her Majesties Government in any capability that pertained to Army Intelligence, Special Forces, Covert Warfare cadres, Secret Intelligence and Secret Service and any ancillary units that touched or were employed directly or indirectly - and yes even the cleaners and security men at the gates and inside the complexes - had to sign a second, more detailed confidentiality paper which in detail spelt out the penalties and punishments for disclosure of information that related to their employment.

This included all contractors - surveillance operatives, psychological warfare operatives, technical officers, drafted in 'secondment' staff from overseas, every body who recieved a role within the arena was made to sign this document.

In short, 1997 would of been the year you were called in to your supervisor and made, in front of witnesses to sign this document. You would of kept a copy, and they would of taken the other two.

Now, for me to believe you, I would like to see your copy of that said document that would prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that you Mr King are telling the absolute truth about your special access and employment.

(You can black out the Commanding Officers / Unit Commanders name, as well as the second witness and your Team Supervisors names. Please leave yours visible).

Or, as I said earlier in the thread, produce your little red book or cadre training certificate. The former soldiers and Royal Marines here on Avalon have done it so I can trust them in our email correspondance - please could you do so yourself so that I can lay this nagging doubt I have in my head about the reality of the information in this thread.

In short, I am amazed that this slipped your memory as it was truely a very stark warning you recieved in the five minutes before you signed this document, very bleak indeed from what I have been told by reliable, caste iron sources within the secretive world of military special warfare.

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Further delving into areas here could compromise myself and those I'm alligned with, past and present. Therefore all comms will cease for the time being. Apologies for this decision but we have strayed from areas I wished to pursue and have entered others that should remain away from this open arena. Keep well, keep safe, keep searching for answers, they are out there.
I find it highly unusual that even regulars, away from more esoteric fields, would give a perfect stranger such data, let alone those within specific fields. The deeper the black the deeper the darkness, such applies to those involved in these areas, not restricted to open paper trails that openly acknowledged units are tracked by. I will not compromise myself or others simply to satisfy one persons curiosity, you are a stranger and an unknown element to me. Very few here have gained sufficient trust from me to warrant specific data. In areas I have to say i do find this line of enquiry a wee bit odd as I'm sure others before me have not been subjected to such scrutiny re their stated past, I could name several such individuals. But thats life. Think along whatever lines you choose, believe, disbelieve or be somewhere in between. I did not openly bring this up but trying to be civil enough to answer, within reason of course. I have other things to attend to rather than drive in circles here. The forum, the thread is over to you.

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Just from reading the Definition on page 4 is enough to throw up some major alarm bells. I stand with Egg on this. What would psyops operatives be doing in this forum? We know how insecure the WWW is. We know there is "no place to hide". I also know that should any operative prove to be risky he will be taken out forthwith, so that means that the info is custom-built for a purpose other than that of benifitting this forum.

Stand amazed at society watcher, we can be full of surprises for a bunch of half-wits.

Just for the record, I have not taken the time to read this full thread, snippets here, pieces there is enough to get the gist.

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ZEDDO MATE MY HEADS SPINNING I READ IT FOR 4 HOURS IT BLOODY TOOK MY BREATH AWAY AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION I THINK EGG WAS ON TO SOMETHING AND MAY WELL BE PROVEN RIGHT ...............WHICH IS A SHAME REALLY ............IN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DUPED .................... WHAT A SHAME .............IF BARRY CAME FORTH WITH WHAT EGG ASKED FOR I ALONG WITH OTHERS WOULD EXTEND MY APOLOGIES TO HIM, FOR DOUBTING HIS AUTHENTICITY, BUT WE AS I STATED ARE IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION ..................... SOME MORE THAN OTHERS ........... THERE IS ONLY ONE DAVID CASTER IN MIDDLESBROUGH FOR INSTANCE, OTHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE RISKING THERE LIVES AND SECURITY TO BRING FORTH INFORMATION........I HAVE NOTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE I KNOW NOWT !
HENCE THE DECISION TO LEAVE MY NAME ON THE FORUM IN RESPECT TO THOSE WHO DO BRING TALES TO THE TABLE........FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO WALLOW IN !!.......JUST A SHAME SOME OF THESE TALES ARE FABLES !!!!!


MY DEEPEST RESPECT TO ALL INCLUDING BARRY AND ALL THE WHISTLEBLOWERS ESPECIALLY EGG AND SOL INVICTUS .....WHERE EVER YOU MAY BE..........KINDEST REGARDS ALL MY BEST WISHES TOO :sad:

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All it would take is a PM of your 1997 signed act or your cadre certificate from what ever unit you qualified from or the inside page of your little red book.

Send it to a Moderator such as Colin or Helen or any one of them - and if they say you have that piece of paper with nothing blanked out bar the names of the witnesses and your team leader / Commanding Officer I will issue you not only a public total apology, but a personal one as well.

Until then, I will say this - My belief albeit unprovable, is that this thread was a sophisticated psyops for unknown reasons by agents unknown.

My final passing thoughts - First of all I feel sorry for all of those people who sent their names and addresses to Mr King and possibly his handlers within his unit - is that also part and parcel or is it genuine? there lies the greatest sadness of all.

Secondly, think of this list.

David Shayler, Secret Intelligence Service, whistle blower. Stopped dead and prosecuted for breach of the Official secrets Act. Jailed.

Richard Tomlinson, Secret Service, whistle blower, stopped dead, arrested and jailed for breach of the Official Secrets Act.

Mike Coburn, Special Air Service, wrote a book about Bravo 2 Zero in GW1 blowing the whistle on the command failures. harrassed, prosecuted and chased around the globe by the UK government.

Dr David Kelly. Breached secrecy rules according to the UK government. Dead.

These boys don't mess about when it comes to keeping the lid on events, and if you look at how many people work at Groom lake, and not a word has leaked out, you begin to see how far their reach is, and how powerful their might is.

If you are real, you are protected by God and all his Angels themselves.

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You forgot one crucial element. The ONLY reason the CPS have not brought me into court is this.............I would have a fully open arena to speak out, as defending myself, and lay wide open to the media and public, a deep black program that uses genetics on unwitting individuals, that uses mindcontrolling technologies on unwitting individuals, that experiments on unwitting individuals. Not by the few but over the years by the thousands!! Do you honestly think the NSA, USAF, DoD would actually ALLOW such an open prosecution, rendering their projects to an end?


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Very good - I accept that your unwilling to even PM a moderator here with details unlike former soldiers and Royal Marine Commandos - Heck, one even sent me a picture of them at the Fort Bragg Special warfare School when I enquired. Thats how deep some folks are in the black world here.

That shut me up and I issued them an apology. I would glady do that for you public on these very pages. All it requires is a few subsantiated facts. Solid, undeniable facts.

I will leave you with one thought now - In area 51 (Groom Lake) 60 years has passed by, and not one, not a single employee has blown the whistle with proven facts. Want to know why? the second you do, the Federal Authorities are all over you like a swamp rash. Just like they are in the UK, and in both these countries people can vanish or have a nasty car accident or suicide themselves from bridges.

Governments don't play games, but psyops units do.

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I am going to use a saying from blastwavechaos here on Avalon.

You just #dropped a bollock# my friend, because thats where you just fell flat on your face trying to use that as a defence.

In the United kingdom it is called I believe a 'D' notice. You would also know that you would be held on remand and in solitary before, during and until the end of your trial. When found guilty the 'D' notice would stand, the papers would not touch you with a barge pole, and your life laid in tatters around your feet.

Your trial would be held in secret because of the classified nature of the evidence, there would be no jury, there would be only one judge, and that judge is the holder of a secrecy classification so high he / she can hear any and all evidence you have, and the prosecution have. Your trial (if you lived that long) would be able to tear apart your claims, get all tax files, all national insurance files, all hospital files, all telephone files, and the prosecution would tear your life to shreds.

The papers would be barred for 25 years / 50 years / 100 years from reporting on this matter under the United Kingdom secrecy rules, and you would vanish into the system, not even a blip on the back pages of the most sensasionalist papers in the UK.


In short, I am saying that you would meet the black world head on and be destroyed if you even had the remotest chance of singing like a caged canary. In fact, that your current psyops shows this to be true - you continue under their direction and tolerance - Hence forth not a single word you utter can in my opinion be believed.

Read this next bit about UFOs.

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m14-021.shtml


BBC don't cross a D notice, so your thoughts would not even get through their doors let alone into the news.

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I fear you answered your own postulation right here. You would not be brought before a court of any kind at any time in any manner or form, they would merely illiminate you if you were indeed a threat.

I do beg to be proven wrong however and would also shout my abject apologies loud and clear. Having said that, i do not regard people cross questioning you as being tiresome. It is easy to herd sheep, less so those who are beggining to awaken, get used to it and expect being intorregated as par for the course. This is the real world, we too are finding things tiresome, like being led by the noses and made light of.

Credibility is like respect, it does not come automatically, it has to be earned.


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First off - you join just to post three times in this thread. Do you work from the same desk as Barry in his psyops unit? 3 posts, all here, all in defence of a self confessed psyops operator getting the light shone on him?

Secondly - Paid rights? I pay too - I just expect sensational claims to be backed up with even a small amount of proof. Colin is good for keeping the lid on things a moderator.

As for those people who I mention, they prove that if Mr King was telling the truth and not authorised to outside of his work as a self confessed psyops operative, he would be either jailed or dead and not a soul would know as it would fall under the 25/50/100 years secrecy rule.

Oh and lets re-visit the information I am asking for. Proof he was in the employment of Her Majesties Services in some form. Thats not a jail offence - because he could say it was before he did his secret stuff and public knowledge. His little red book would do nicely for that.

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KARI LYNNE I TOO HAVE PAID OUT OF MY £400 A MONTH DISABILITY I PAID FULL PRICE, IF I WANTED TO READ STORIES WH SMITH HAVE A GOOD FICTION SECTION STARTING AT £2.99 OR YOU CAN PICK UP GOOD FICTION FOR 10P ON A CAR BOOT SALE !!!

YOU NEED A GOOD MEMORY TO BE A GOOD LIAR :thumb_yello:

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND MY KINDEST REGARDS

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All 4 of your posts are in this thread. Now, I for one cannot believe a person would join just to defend Mr King from people who need answers to very pertinent questions.

He need not risk anything, just provide a slim glimmer of proof he was employed in her majesties services at some point in some form.

1997.

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Kari Lynne Barry King has his own website ......... surely you did not join just to read "THE WATCHER". For some reason i had never gone onto that thread ...don't know why but i started reading tonight spent over 4 hours reading ........... he was not giving anything away people were asking Q's and he was not telling them owt..........then i got to where egg was cross q'ing him and he turned into glass it was a brilliant bit of detective work on his part and a lot of people should be thankful and greatful for it

all those people who privately gave him info..........theyre all red tagged now
crikey when the s%^t hits the fan they're first to be bundled into cattle carts !!!

its a damned shame

my best wishes Kari Lynne

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ROLF! are you serious! by what law are you talking about! lol! What do you think?

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firstly Kari Lynn I must correct you in that in no way were you ridiculed by egg or myself, that was not our intention, i am making it sound like we are working together i assure you i am not .......... i do not know who egg is whether male or female Egg and many like him/her have given some fantastic valuable information over time...........information i might add that has put them in direct danger for there livelyhood/lives and family.

i do not bring anything to this forum other than comments or stories, i have shown my respect to those putting there jobs/lives on the line by putting my name on the forum as i stated there is only one David Caster Middlesbrough
there thats me red tagged, because believe you me you are on a hit list coming onto this forum..........THEWATCHER took a lot of people into his confidence and recieved a lot of personal mail from members now if he is agovernment plant........then thats all them red tagged, and if true Egg who i strongly suggest you try follow some of his posts has just bust him wide open, and possibly stoppedwhat could have been the destruction of Avalon.

there is no negativity here no backstabbing and no evil, surely you did not only go onto the watchers thread Avalon has much much more to offer than that.........with regards Egg...........i don't know him/her but he/she is the mutts nuts...........follow some of his/her posts kindest regards dave caster :thumb_yello:

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Hi Kari Lynn :welcomeani:

I haven't been following this thread but I do know that there have been over 1,000 posts and 47,000 views of it. That can hardly be equated with no-one listening. Barry King also has his fair share of supporters on this thread so there are people who believe him. However, if he was expecting everyone to believe him then it was inevitable he'd be disappointed.

Surely any whistleblower or witness has to accept that they are not going to be universally believed, and that they will be challenged on their story by some of those who hear it. They also need to accept that emotions can run high on subjects like this and that they may open themselves up to criticism if there are certain questions they cannot or will not answer.

For those hearing whistleblowers' stories it is essential that they critically evaluate them and ask whatever questions seem pertinent. Taking any of these stories at face value is pointless because of all the disinfo that has been and is still being spread around. I think it is also worth remembering that not all those who are spreading disinfo know that they are doing it- they genuinely believe what they are saying. As Richard Hoagland has said, "the lie is different on every level."

I don't know enough about Mr King and his testimony to have an opinion one way or the other. I'm simply stating what I consider universal principles in this subject area.

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here here STEVIE G nice post and well said sir

it would be a shame to lose the watcher from this site as it is up to the individual to evaluate what is being written

the watcher would respect and an unreserved appology should he wish to supply the information egg was hinting at.

but i am afraid i fear not

which as i stated is a double shame

for those dedicated supporters and who placed there confidence in him
and for Avalon itself

my respect and best wishes dave caster :thumb_yello:

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I am remaining, watching, from the sidelines, I shall continue to idle for the time being. I do not expect anyone to simply believe anything I have disclosed over the past 15 years. Never hinted that I expected to be believed by everyone so where did that come from?. I simply refuse to have certain joe public types demand data that are within areas that are of no business to anyone here. It is surprising that Egg has a knowledge database exceeding the regular joe public types but thats his business. BUT constant demanding specific data which I feel is beyond what I am allowed to provide is becoming a nuisance value here. I would appreciate the careful thinking before certain data is posted here by others re my past. I do not take kindly to certain events being openly displayed here and will contact the individuals concerned in order to delete that data. It is not for open discussion. IF I felt it were necessary I would provide my data, as demanded by Egg, NOT to the indians but ONLY to the chiefs. I.E., Bill and Kerry, but only under specific conditions. Interview and evaluation conditions set within parameters I would set out. Provided of course I was given clearance to do such a thing. Then and ONLY then would that data be provided. I hope I have made myself clear.
I also take offense at the assumption and accusation that I have collected names and addresses of members for undesirable purposes. People from all over the World have contacted me since the early 90's once my disclosures began. Still friends with many of them. They are not tagged, redlisted or anything insidious as stated by some paranoid thinkers here. Enough is surely enough. This can go one of two ways, a continuation or an abrupt ending. Those whom feel a threat from me should perhaps refrain from entering this thread, why should I pack up and deny others assistance? Why should I not be allowed to resume my disclosures because one or two feel intimidated? Today I am in a reasonable mood so reasonable attitude comes forth.


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bye watcher.



joe public type

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The Watcher: My post was in response to the quote from yourself that Kari Lynn published in her post directly above, and also a general theme on this page of the thread about unanswered questions. I also clearly stated that I was speaking in general terms and that I hadn't formed an opinion on the content of this thread or the story it relates to.

What data you choose to release or not, and what answers you choose to provide or not, is entirely up to you. How the members of this forum choose to react to the information or lack thereof is entirely up to them.

I would also point out that I seriously doubt any of the forum members consider Bill and Kerry their "Chiefs." Project Avalon is an internet forum, not an organisation. They are not the bosses of anyone here, and personally I find your dismissal of the very people who have been taking an interest in this thread as "joe public types" and "Indians," the implication being they are unworthy of your information when compared to the "Chiefs," rather arrogant, condescending and insulting. Happily, as I previously stated, I haven't been taking an interest; a policy I will now resume without a moment's regret.

Best wishes to all.

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Yes I can be arrogant and condescending just as much as others here have proven to be. Other whistleblowers have been given the courtesey of not being hounded and put up for vetting by the public here, rather by way of vetting and checking credentials by those individuals whom started and do still head this enterprise called Camelot and Avalon. The ones whom do the actual interviews, travel to witnesses, etc. An open forum here yes but its those guys whom ultimately run the show in the background. Keep reality going. I see several others that have come into this arena and have assisted little if any, rather just to sit and say 'hiya' to any member that posts. I think I have contributed a great deal here, because I wish to part with data here and assist where i can. I sincerely hope those whom wish to dig try digging at others, Dan B would be a good example. Ask to see his documentation, its only fair surely? Anyways, as I said, I'm in a reasonable mood today. But sly comments will be met with equally sly replies.

No Steve, you missed the point when I said those in charge, the chiefs, rather than joe public, should be privy to certain specific data. Not a case of joe public being unworthy, simply none of their business and have no right to know. Common practise. SOP.

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Kari, I would appreciate the deletion of this post, the info here is not for public consumption, thanks

Regards

THE WATCHER