Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

We don't do that - ever.

Do you really think otherwise ?

A..

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Good call Bill. Cut and dried really. :lightsabre:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Me too, I enjoyed his posts tremendously. It is a shame really. However as was mentioned earlier in this thread. Membership at Avalon is a privilege not a right, No one here is above the guidelines and the staff here are more than fair in maintaining those guidelines.

Trust Us. :)

Life is an illusion, so is this. As the Beatles once said; "Nothing is Real"

Peace

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

I dont realy understand the IP thingy, what chances are there that this could actually be hacked?? or even posible to be hacked?

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Wow! Why do people do that sort of thing? We have to deal with enough trouble as it is. This site should be all about discernment and what I call 'Thought Triage'. We should all develop very effective BS Detectors. This is sort of a Spiritual and Philosophical No Man's Land. Moderators and members seem to be quite good at cross examining people...which might be a good substitute for banning...in most cases. Obviously...multiple online personalities, profanity, threats, graphic descriptions, obscene pictures and paintings, etc...cannot be tolerated in any way, shape, or form. Potential legal liabilities also need to be watched very carefully. But this site is a real zoo and a philosophical food for thought fight. This helps to make us strong. I think things are about to get unimaginably confusing, disillusioning, and disorienting...as if they weren't enough already. Dealing with 'problem posters' might be good practice for what's to come.

:mad3::wall::zip::lightsabre::lmao:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

I would like to be examined. Just to get it out of the way.

no cold hands.:lmfao:


peace:original:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

I just wanna know why in the above thread, are the words David and Wilcock colored Red?

I know that when I made my posts I certainly did not put it in that color. What's the deal...

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

IP is an address you get off your computer and it follows you around. You are capable of changing it each and every night if you care to do so.

Two computers will never share the same IP#.

I'm still not ready to place any judgement on Kinsuemei2 as I am not sure what the point was he was trying to get across.

Its a give and take world and I stick by my feelings that we are all entitled to believe whomever we want.

There are many that give interviews that I consider very much full of disinformation.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

The reason is that I did a search to bring up the post because I knew where Kinsuemei2 made his remark regarding Dr Anderson and Bill and Kerry not believing his story. So red came up on the "searched words"

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

It is the search highlighter in action. You probably followed a link that had search parameters.

A..

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Oh okay, thank you for the answers, no conspiracy here. :original:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

A dangerous assumption - which is unfortunately incorrect.

Many people share the same IP address, I am doing so right now because of how I am accessing the site today I am behind a proxy. My IP address could well be being used by another users right now.

A..

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

me too.

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A dangerous assumption ? How so ? Bill banned Kinsuemei2 for using the same IP# for 2 various names................Did he do this unfairly ?

I didnt take in consideration of a corporation IP # so I stand corrected there......and I did assume it was a personal computer usuage.

Explain how Bill could make his decision based on IP # please

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

LOL...are you sure about that !:original:

I'd say there's been some serious mischief going on re the whole thread...and the other thread about banning.

Just My Opinion....:tongue2::mfr_lol:


EDIT to add...thanks for clearing the matter up Bill....I expect a lot of people try and discredit Project Camelot by making stuff up.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Anchor, does this mean someone could send information and such and it could be recorded as you while not actually you....?

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

unfortunately the truth tends to come in bits and pieces at times. It's up to Bill to share what other info he has if he chooses to do so. However, I sense he did cover the basis before making his post.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Assumption is a bad idea when hatching conspiracy theories or dealing with them.

It is not just corporations that use proxies.

Bill did his own checking, I can't comment on how that was done. Nor can I fault what I have seen of his post.

A..

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

People sharing the same connection at home can have the same IP as well... this is not just a corpseration thing.

For what its worth I've only read one post of Kinue2 some time ago, I think the first one he made, and knew he was full of it. :lmao:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

the IP is traced back to a Carolina residence...............so its not a corporation.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

I've been a mod before, so IMHO there doesn't seem to be any conspiracy here, other than the fact this thread has been started when its really a staff issue, I can also tell you that in comparison to most other forums, the staff here are being more than cordial allowing this thread to gain much attention and answer everyone's questions, when they are not obligated to do so in the least.

Truth is, just another person who broke simple guidelines and was banned, just another day in the life of forums. :original:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Nobody knows who anyone is online. On one former forum of seemingly hard headed research freaks, there was a stalker with multiple personalites ( and terrible idiosyncratic punctuation , so it seemed pretty obvious) who went on to stage her own death , all taking place across several forums with an international cast of characters . Who knows why people do it?
A bedtime story /salutory warning:
http://www.laweekly.com/2007-10-11/n...-jesse-james/1

remember what the dormouse said, keep your head

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Hmm.... there is more going on behind the scenes here than what has been presented.

I pressed this *Dr. Heather* to speak via phone , get int touch with Kerry etc; it was just a matter of time IMO before she was *killed*.

My intuitive red flag warning came on failry early- I shared that with Kerry who was more in the line of well, it makes for a good Hollywood type story.


You see, there were the same typos on both Kin and Heather's writings- that was an early red flag for me- I decided to give them *both* the benefit of the doubt because I know the nature of these MKULTRA programs are just so unreal and many times come off sounding Sci Fi.

I did check both IP addresses and knew they were one and the same. Kin told me Heather was rescued and staying at their house.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Agreed, or at least pm'd a mod for answers first to see if there is a good reason... rather then trying to create drama. :sleep_1:

I think the mods here do awesome work, and its not an easy job when your every action can get picked to pieces by the many.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

yeah those typos will get you busted everytime LOL

Do we call you detective Eleni now ?

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Hi there, mntruthseeker:

I didn't make the decision based on an common IP address. That was the clincher. I had previously worked through pages of information provided to Camelot privately by "Heather" - line by line - and none of it added up.

I had red flags then, and Kerry and I discussed it. I told Kerry I wasn't buying any of it as there were way too many anomalies and inconsistencies, as well as the close similarity in (poor) writing style between Kinsuemei2 and Heather.

Then I heard a few days ago from Eleni that "Heather" had been killed in a traffic accident. That seemed like a really convenient way of "deleting" an imaginary person who had become a problem... because Kerry was wanting to meet and talk with "Heather" - etc. Clearly that could not have happened, and Kerry was pressing.

Another person in this loop had already noticed the IP anomaly and called Kinsuemei2 on it. He said that Heather was staying with her. When this other person phoned him and asked to speak with her, he told them "she had escaped via boat to another country".

Heather never existed.

Very best wishes, Bill

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Thank you Phtha, That would of been a far more constructive course to take first off.

Thank you for your kind words...
Sincerely.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Interesting indeed. I say bravo to Eleni for her skills at detecting the IP address. I have to say I was confused on IP # as being the only reason.

Thanks for addressing this as I did think that many of us were fooled by his dismeaner and clarification was not too much to ask. You have cleared it up just fine.

When he first mention this drs name back on the wilcock thread, I too tried to find information on her and found nothing.

Besides I was sure he told us he was hiding out in a motel room in Florida at one time and I felt bad that he had to hide out with a little one.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

From the sidelines Bill most of this thread....To what ends??

Running diversions on the forum??

Causing drama??

Attention??

Just looking for opinions so we can be on the lookout in the future.

Thanks

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Bill do you think you and Kerry are constantly being mis led by PTB? I mean vast number of people visits camelot site ...Maybe PTB think that it`s got out of control and they had to bug your efforts more than ever?

How many times when you got a story ,you think in the middle of it that it`s actually BS someone wishes to bore you with? To detract you from a possibly true and better interview along the road?
Namely ,say, some possible guy has a true story and is a bit afraid of being ridiculed.Now he follows your site and in some point decide to call you guys. But then you show several suspicious interviews and guy decide to step back in silence again.
I think it`s a strong possibility of that. And I salute you if you and Kerry are trying your best to prevent BS on your sites...

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Oh yeah!!

GREAT JOB BILL AND THE MODERATORS!!!

hmm....sounds like a rock group or the new super friends!! :naughty:

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LOL Stargazer...............it does keep getting better doesnt it ?

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You know MNT.....life is becoming more interesting than fiction these days

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Which is more than can be said of The Who playing right now during the Super Bowl halftime break.
Fantastic laser show, though.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

You got it. I can't be certain of anything in here anymore.

I do not want to judge anyone and I feel whenever one does that they do nothing more than "put themself down".

whistleblowers tell their stories and it's up to us to decide whether we buy it or not. I for one do not want to be told whom I should believe in or not.

I wont congratulate someone for judging

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Super bowl :tongue2: it`s for nannies... All those feathered guys ...cartoon I tell ya...Pardon me my American friends but football (the real one) is the thing...:naughty:

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

I unexpectedly appreciate this thread for a number of reasons which I will share:

Carol the OP, for her concern over an Avalonion comrades ban,

The contributing Mods, for their efforts in finding out why said ban was imposed,

Bill, for his openness and apparent honesty in evidencing his own decision to impose the ban and his posting of the details for us all to see.

This gives added credence to PC/PA as a whole, I am more inclined to believe that should it come to Bill's attention, that a recorded and shared testimony found after the fact to be a fabrication, he would equally evidence it to the forum, regardless from whom it came.

I am not saying Bill or Kerry believe all their interviewees to be necessarily factual, however it indicates to me (and hopefully to you too) that at least the testimonies they do record, are not known to be fabrications, and that if sufficient evidence does indeed come to light that any actually were "hoaxed" for whatever reason, we would all get to hear about it, right?

So (IMO) a positive outcome from a negative situation, perhaps the truth indeed shines through and we are better for it.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

With the quality of some of the posts on here the TPTB must be "P'ing" themselves laughing for all the own gaols. Saves em having to do anything.

Oh man! school break must be horrendous. Also, when you think of those PC vids having 30,000 to 400,000 viewers each, it's gotta attract more nuts than an electro magnet in a scrap yard.

On another forum I've been on they caught a guy arguing with his shade account. :lmfao: Another guy was scammed for $5,000 off a con artist.


Nowt queer as folk.

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

this is extraordinary...not that he/she was banned...BUT that....

A. the site owner would publish actual IP's of the individuals involved on the net for all to see.

B. said IP's geolocate back to what is likely a temporary office suite in florida...(that tends to scream 'gov private contractor')

C. bill posted screenshots of the email headers in order to make a point, when the audience of p/a would CERTAINLY take bill's word for whatever transpired.

SO...

the diligent reader could reasonably deduce that...

since p/a doesn't ban ANY of their hoaxsters...

but this ONE was banned...and a VERY suspicious IP posted for all to see...

this is a setup of sorts...

so...HOW?

well...ONE possibility is....

if it's a gov private contractor, pinging that IP could quite likely give THEM full control of your pc (yeah...they can and will do that...no debate necessary)

not 100% sure that's what's going on...

would like to hear other theories....because this doesn't smell right....

Re: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
 

Well after Bill clarified the situation I spent the rest of the day gardening, transplanting blueberry starters, cleaning out the strawberry beds, repotting and just having a very satisfying day outside. It seems sometimes it is too easy to get caught up in forum land and let is slip between getting other things that need doing done.

I liked Kinsuemei2 and felt sorry for him. I had not read all of his posts but recalled our earlier PMs and had been wondering how he was doing. Subsequently, I decided to check his statistics to see what he had been posting when the ban occurred and after checking what he had been writing saw no visible reason for the ban and asked why. I only saw Anchor and Gareth logged on as well as Bill. No mods. So it didn't make sense what happened and being the curious sort pressed for answers.

This was an unusual situation. Usually when a member is banned it is pretty obvious they had been acting out which is visible to other members reading the forum. This other drama was hidden. When the word hoax came out I was concerned because of what he was posting about ingesting various flaxseed oils. So I pushed harder because it was a possible health issue for a variety of members that I thought we all should know about. I had no clue as to the nature of the hoax and very much appreciated Bill making the time to clarify what was going on. The multiple aliases was the give away and then I understood immediately what was happening at one level. I also appreciate Bill going the extra mile to further clarify some of the other details.

Then I thought... were we made fools of by Kinsuemei2? Was his entire posting history a sham? If he lied about who he is ~ how can any of his posts be deemed credible? This then leaves multiple other questions which are still unanswered and only Kinsuemei2 can answer them. And even if he were back, with an explanation, are we to trust anything he has to share again?

Having multiple personalities and avatars on a forum is just one way of totally discrediting oneself. It truly saddens me that this is how Kinsuemei2 chose to spend his time at Avalon. From all I know about karma, one cannot escape it. Karma will follow one from life to life until it is dissolved. Consciously incurring karma just makes how it more difficult, more challenging to dissipate when the time comes for it to unfold. I wish Kinsuemei2 the best and hope he comes to realize what he lost by indulging in this charade.