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Unfortunately, we tried that. I did the show completely free for six months. I asked for donations and a few kind souls came forward. However, it was not enough to keep things going. We're already on Facebook. Believe me, I've benchmarked and the current scenario seems to be working fine within the current paradigm.

Best,

Mel

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Mel,
we have exchanged private mails on this. I wanted to say publicly I apologize for posting the videos, they are on you tube and I didnt read your previous posts, i just searched for the interview, found it, watched it, enjoyed it and posted the link. I guess its maybe naive to assume that people posting to the net checked the copyright issues. I shiver at the word lawyer though, its too much into the **** system most of the world subscribes to. I prefer to take a more karmic view of things. If I have erred in posting these videos I do apologise again, know the universe will sort me out for my crimes ;)
I have now read this thread and I am just too weird to contribute anything sensible. I am the person who gave my farm away, gave all my stuff away, gave up a paid job, spent years years writing a book to freely give that away. I have no 'home' and few 'things'. I dont run a radio show and I have a great life. There is much to be said for freedom of movement. There is truth in the cliche that you get back what you give in life. I survived 6 months in India with $10 in my pocket. Looking back I had a great time, but was I worried at all? Of course, Im not so enlightened yet. I usually find the universe waits till the last minute to put you on your path, just to test the faith :)
Its equally true to say there has to be an exchange of energies. It is ok to charge money. Its ok not to, it will come anyway (maybe not in the form of money and maybe not from the person you are dealing with, but you will get it back, whatever is it you put out. Although this is never in your mind when you are dealing with the world)
I have been outside of all media for 6 of the last 7 years, and I will be outside of the system and all media and internet again soon, so I wont subscribe to any more things on the net. I did subscribe to PC because I learned many things of benefit to me and it was a way of saying thank you. I will stop coming in here so often as it is becoming repetitive and the negative subject matter is too draining for me. Back to my hole in a few weeks.
We dream our our future into the present.

Nice interview with cliff, the best I have heard yet. Keep up the good work.

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Hey Mel,

i want to be clear here. I am challenging your model, NOT you or your value system or your hard work.

I WANT you to be making tons of money from the work you LOVE doing. thats what i do. granted i dont make TONS of money yet, but i support a family of four, homeschool my kids, and my wife doesn't work at a job trading hours for dollars.

I LOVE your interview style and scope.

I DONT pay to be here. I came here Helping Bill and Kerry and i am a whistleblower but have not yet shared my story to anyone here. I had just finished a great year of consulting and offered my services to BIll and Kerry for pretty much nothing. They didnt like my model as it involved selling products through joint ventures. they are strictly NO SELL ANYTHING. so i said ok. but i helped them start the newsletter (which could be a HUGE profit center if they cared to do so).

I Believe (i want it to be so) that your show should be for free. It will get you more money and fans. i want people to have access to this vital info. I would be happy to share some model ideas with you about how to make that happen AND take care of your family.

I Like the cut of your jib AND i believe you are business minded and see the bottom line. so shall we see if we can find a solution that meets all your needs and provides the basic service for free?

PM if you like and we can exchange skype info and i would be happy to meet with you for free and discover some revenue streams that are right around you.

AGAIN, i really respect you, your vision, and your work. I think it is vital, and more people should be doing it. Balls to the wall you deserve respect for gettin off your a$$ and contributing to the awakening. That in and of itself earns you top accolades in my book. AND I respect your needs and agree that you should be able to make enough money to meet your needs.

I do what i want and am beholden to no one save the creator. I take clients only when im inspired to and live the life of my dreams. I AM working on a special project right now for myself that everyone will see next year. and most all of my clients I never charge for, but rather partner with so that if profits are made, i get paid. this makes it free essentially.

since i have spent years slaving away as it were in the corporate sector, and waiting tables, and fire-fighting/emt, and lifeguarding i REALLY enjoy the lifestyle i have now and have been able to BE MYSELF, which is vitally important for me.

I speak my mind, talk dirty sometimes, and generally have no class (though i turn it on when i deem it really necessary). I apologize for my rudeness and rough around the edgeness. i hope you can attribute it to my character rather than my soul and see the value i possess.

namaste homey.
-Xavier Hawk

P.S. check out my music if you'd like at xavierhawk.net
im workin on giving it out for free for download.
AGAIN- you rock. keep up the momentum. do your thing. If you want to explore some cool sht give me a shout.

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P.S. i just thought about this.... LOL

i guess i AM a freeloader!

I generally dont go to concerts, festivals, or conventions unless i am getting paid or invited as VIP.

ironically i never download pirated music, ALTA reports, or movies.
i actually DO pay for all of that. lol.

but yeah for the most part if im gonna give a place my energy i get paid i dont pay.

nature of my medicine.
-X

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Vidya. Nice post. I too get a bit weirded when I watch the 3D world try to cling to it's modus operandi.

As the next few years unfold, I'm certain there will be more and more situations where those who have abandoned the old ways of greed and manipulation, will find themselves in conflict with those yet to do so.

Not saying that's the exact situation here, but I'm seeing more and more of it, and when I ask around, people who are moving up the ladder mention feeling the tension which is building from the results of the separation of viewpoints. Leaving 3D is probably a bit like a rubber band in a certain way. the more you move away, the more it stretches and builds energy potential meant to snap you back into "reality". But if you just take one more step when the tension is greatest, the rubber band snaps and you're free.

If you then come back at a later time, it just feels weird to interact with the old world and it's ways. Kind of like trying to put a straight jacket back on. When you didn't know there was the condition of "no straight jacket", it didn't seem so bad, but once you've freed yourself to any significant degree, you just can't go back to being comfortable in it.

With regard to this specific incident of Mel interviewing Clif, and the results being made freely available even though Mel's intention is to restrict access to those who pay for it, I'll offer my opinions for perspectives sake.

Nobody is wrong. There are just different perspectives. Mel does a good interview. He speaks clearly and deliberately, he thinks through his questions and researches what would be good questions, and even I believe, likely answers from the guest so he can prepare follow up questions. His audio is of good quality. He maintains a good flow, without interruptions. His site is attractive and obviously has taken lots of work to create, with functional add ons, like the flash player, etc. Mel is correct in claiming his copyright, if he chooses to do so. I'm not sure whether he requires guests to relinquish THEIR rights to repost interviews of theirs with Mel elsewhere.

The other perspective, which will always be at odds with the Old paradigm think of "what's mine is mine", and I'll need due consideration if you would like to share what's mine. Knowledge can never be otherwise than free for all. A specific recording of an example of that knowledge can be owned, but not the knowledge contained. You can own an mp3, or pdf, but not the knowledge contained. People who object to restrictions of the sort Mel imposes, probably object to the restriction of knowledge, and could care less really about the ownership of a recording. There is no question of Clif High's knowledge and it's value. But once the knowledge escapes the attempt to control it's egress, It's like the proverbial cat out of the bag.

Mel has the right to do what he does, and to charge money for his hard work, and excellent product. There is still enough old paradigm viability left for it even to continue to be a going concern for a while. And Mel is correct in saying that anyone who doesn't want to pay for his work, can forego listening to it.

Personally, I find the business model repugnant. I see the providing of a teaser, and then ending the free portion with a self stated "cliff hanger" to be manipulative. That model will change or die. It can't be otherwise. But each has their own choice. Mel has the choice to use this model, and retain any rights to his product, and those who object have the right to step around it and continue on their way.

I find the offer to others to do their own shows kind of specious. Not the least of which reason is that whistleblowing of the "I've got a secret" type is dead on arrival now, and actually serves the PTB more than those who are attracted like they would be a car accident. Alex Collier's talk in LA this weekend gives a good summary of why that is.

I don't lump Clif High into that category, because he is painting a picture of the new world these days, and simply uses his predictive linguistics work to identify the land mines and cow patties along the way to the new world. And to borrow one from Kerry, "I must say" that Mel's interview with Clif was very well put together and extremely informative. Well done Mel.

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Lawyers are expensive I imagine

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Just curious, did Clif get paid for the interview? Does Mel own his side of the interview (ie the questions) and Clif's answers as well? Are both inputs Mel's intellectual property? If Clif does not get paid for the interview I guess it could be seen as being an advertisement for his work....yet Clif's work made me listen to Mel,( whom I had not done until now) and Mel would not have a show without Clif either.
I'm not drawing any conclusions from the above , just looking at the"I'll scartch your back..." loop but it does indeed make me more interested in what Thunderbird has to offer. I am intrigued, it's good to hear you having a life of abundance on your own terms. It certainly affords one more generosity.

I think redice creations does a good job, they have long and in depth public access interviews and if you are a member you get more info but not of the cliffhanger type, it's just more in depth. Henrik's interview style is also very informed and unintrusive.I think he has influenced a few current interviewers.
Also Conscious Media Network seems to be fine with their system, those that want to/can afford to pay for the site and yet it is open to anyone. It seems to have found a balance that way.

It just seems kind of untrusting and a scarcity based mental construct to have to start talking lawyers .

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Oops. double post

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Even in a free world (ie new paradigm) there is an exchange of "something"
We enjoy the benefits of Mel's hard work, quality of production etc., the monies he has to spend to make it happen. So how then can we exchange with him in return for him offering us the interviews.

Most of us are still trapped in 3D whether we like it or not. That means "money" is the method of exchange. In my opinion, until something changes with the networks, I can't see another way atm to do business. Believe me I'm just as eager as the rest of you to get off the money grind, but I also know that we are not all progressing at the same speed.

Perhaps a little patience & love is needed to support each other while a complete transition takes place.

Just my opinion:wub2:

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Mel: Recently I have been feeling jaded from the "whistleblowers" so called testimonies, mixed with disinfo. Its the same old....blah....blah. If it leaves the listener confused and uncertain as to whats the truth, then whats the point in listening to them anymore.

So, I think most of us know enough now to move forward & lets start turning the tide to a more positive approach.

So Mel.....I am asking you to consider interviewing some people who have already started the new paradigm......whether it be new communities, new sources of energy....whatever it is. I just know there are many unsung heroes (groundcrew) out there who need a opportunity to share their work with the world & to give hope to all. So, imo. now is the time to start a new journey.

What do you think Mel.

Thank you for your hard work.

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I know exactly what you mean. One has to be very careful with disinformation.

Actually, what you propose I have already started. It has nothing to do with whistleblowers, but with people who are not that high profile but who have great knowledge and wisdom. Take Pane "Astralwalker" Andov as an example. He has the most popular thread on this forum. No one wanted to give him the opportunity to be interviewed and I did. It is a 4-hour show and it is still one of our most popular ones (still holds the time record).

Cheers,

Mel

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This was a great interview with Clif, and well worth subscribing for. Thanks, Mel.

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Thanks sarahmay.

All the best,

Mel

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Welll, Mel Fabregas, Your a hell of a salesmen...

I give You my word; I'll NEVER, Never ever listen to anything You ever

put out again... But, You've inspired Me... I'm going to go over to RMN Radio

Right Now and give them 100.00... N'know why, cause Raye doesn't DEMAND.

Come to think of it... I'm going to give George, a 100.00 too...

You keep 'Paying it Forward' buddy.

Have a great show in the future...

Verry trooly,

Tango

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Hello Tango,

Are you paying $5 per month on this forum or are you in for free because you contribute in other ways? I ask because I also have a FREE SUBSCRIPTION offer for those who do something for my movement too. It's called reciprocity. Here's the laughable part. You disagree because I charge $5 a month, when you are here paying $5 a month to argue your point. Why are you not upset at Project Camelot for charging? They need to survive! That's why. And people who are here on this forum understand it. So, aren't you contradicting yourself? No one is forcing you to be here (paying) nor forcing you to listen to my show (paying). You have options: Pay or contribute with value. Now, that's a fair arrangements in today's paradigm.

Oh, and don't forget that RMN and others survive on their commercial sponsorships. Without commercials, donations don't go far, as expenses come back every month. You should know that.

Happy trails buddy!

Mel

P.S. I could post many e-mails like the one below, but I won't. One is enough to convey the message. It's refreshing to see most people truly get it!

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I think Mel is one of the better interviewers. :thumb_yello:

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i enjoy the veritas show , i stumbled on it on google video so i get to listen to interveiws that are many months old but the information is timeless. i have no bank account so will have to wait for cliff to do his next radio interview in october or whenever it is..

perhaps time is short for him (webbot) if they start censoring the net ect. i understand he only may have till around the end of theyear.. anyway ill try and get a friend to do the trnasaction for a few months subscription..

i like the format of veritas radio..:smoke:

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Thank you Debi5!

All the best,

Mel

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Thanks for your understanding pineal-pilot-in merkabah. By the way, I love your avatar and username.

Yes, let's all write down important IP addresses (just like we write telephone numbers today) in the event someone pulls the plug on the internet (Senate Bill S773 wants to do just that).

Cheers,

Mel

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I just did a federal records search on You... Your a pilot according to the FAA
Public records... You own a aircraft... I haven't done a state search yet...

Avalon is a community... Cliff, goes on several radio stations: Pays it forward.

Now, You, add drama to his interview... The people on this site don't have
a lot of money... More drama; the internet is going to go down... B.S. its on
to many servers... You, come to this Site to sell subscriptions... For Your
Site... Where are peoples ethics in these years... No, No, I won't bother
you; go ahead and pick those bones. Its YOUR methods... DRAMA...

As your defence; You don't use advertisors...? OK...

You threat use of an attorney to these people... With No money.

I gotta go... Before, I lose it completely. Just listen with your mind

I tell what I think of Your ethics...

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:nono:

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I'm just sitting back here as an observer, but I will tell my tale.
I am a hairstylist (good one)... I have people befriend me all the time for haircuts or colors. I have learned to say no because I see that they have way more than me (which I don't envy)... or always offer services that they never provide (getting them to follow through on their offer is like pulling teeth)... Even though they always come back for hair services :nono:.
However, I've come to the conclusion that if you own a house and I'm still renting, or if you drive the latest high end vehicle while I'm still driving a 76 Blazer or 98 Cavalier then damn rights you should pay the price I charge. I have spent endelss hours training and spending money to get educated in my field which reflects in my work... I might give ya a few freebies but if I don't see the reciprocation you are getting charged full price and then some.
I do give discounts to those unfortunate that appreciate my work, however to give discount to someone who has so much more than me seems like a burn. I have things I need to do and acquire as a groundcrew member. Perhaps not what others are trying to attain, but I have to build it for survival and to help others. That is my goal and I am charging what I am worth meanwhile educating every single one that sits in my chair as to what is happening in the world. Some seem to come for that more than for an amazing hairdo!... :thumb_yello:

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Mel: to be honest I have observed in this forum that offering free memberhship has not increased the membership, at least not, the ones that are posting? So I don't think thats the solution either.

So I return back to what I said earlier, we are straddling the threshold of 2 paradigms now & we need to figure out how we move fully into the new one.

Forget the old, & carefully with well thought out steps move into the new. We have to do this, for the time is upon us now. There is no room here for threats, accusations etc. for they will only serve to entrap us still in the old ways of doing things.

We are at the frontier of our new world. So lets pull together and work this out. We are all on the same team.

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I could not have said that better. You can apply that to any career. Thanks for sharing your story.

All the best,

Mel

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Oh, you're one of those who craves attention and loves to engage. Good luck digging. Too bad that is how you choose to contribute to this forum.

This will be the last time I give you the courtesy of responding. You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't threaten anyone. I'm very aware that many are suffering financially and that is why I provide a FREE SUBSCRIPTION to those who can't afford it. I simply announced that my material is copyrighted and I was contacting those who uploaded it to YouTube (not to the ones who posted it here, since I would also have thought it was fair game) without consulting with me. You're parsing words and trying to gain sympathy from others by putting them against me. There are too many bright minds here to fall for that trap.

I would rather spend my time productively researching what matters, including what you claim to be "drama about the internet going down."

Read S.773 - Cybersecurity Act of 2009.

Cheers,

Mel

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ME too :thumb_yello:

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Hi all,
Some people go to far and investigating people :mfr_omg:it just sounds like Big Brother?

Peace, Freedom and Cheers:mfr_lol:
SWIFT

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{putting on moderator hat}

OK Tango, everybody, take 10 deep breaths and relax.
Meditate on the words "allow" and "flexible."
When the s really hits the fan what skills will serve you the best?

I guess we are going to have to throw money in with the hottest topics of politics and religion. {mumble, mumble, mumble}

Please play nice!
Thank yew,
Karen

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Im sorry for all the negativity in this thread, people seem to be freaking generally in the world right now. I struggle in the stream of media I am presented with on the net (which I look for!, at least Im not bombarded with tv etc).

I think it was me who first raised the word attorney (lawyer) - i would point out Mel never threatened me for my post, nor was he at all 'off' with me, he simply wanted to remove the upload to you tube and was going to ask his attorney to do that. Hey thats what attorneys do. I dont like them, but thats me.

I didnt want to have a go at Mel here, far from it. I wanted to say that I dont 'subscribe' to his world business view, but I respect his decision to do what he wants, he is ultimately responsible for his own actions as we all are.

Isnt there a term 'loss leader'? My guess is that posting this interview with Cliff for free would see many people listen to a very good show and maybe some of those would sign up for other shows. There are so many cliff interviews out there for free, people will be saturated and I guess not too fussed to losten to veritas? i dont know.

Mel obviously puts a lot of effort onto what he does, i did check out his facebook profile, its full of good links etc. Its ok (necessary even, depending on other financial incomes) to receive payment for this. I saw one you tube site, cant remember which, but a lot (not all) stuff was free with a very good 'contribute' section inviting donations. I guess this works for that site. Seems a good idea to me.

Cliff charges $10 for his reports, I read one for free on a pirate site and then bought the real thing (a duplicate)...i was put on an open mailing list :thumbdown: with the thousands of other people who bought his last but one report, thats a lot of $10, i would guess he does ok financially. His radio interviews I guess he does for free, but they are 'advertising' on some level, and the mechanism obviously works for him. (I wont buy the latest report, I want out of here without worry about impending disaster scenarios)

Good luck with veritas Mel.

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Hi All,
Lol Karen :wub2:and all we need is love, love everybody!
Well done Bill & Kerry:wink2: for the PC conferences and guest speakers:mfr_lol:.
Karma,
Cheers
SWIFT

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sorry to go off topic but i understand its going to be something to do with turningthe |(DNS) severs off .. im not well versed in internet protocols could you tell me where the IP adress numbers are for sites ,, il start writinf them down now.. thanks again mel.:smoke:

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Out of respect, for YOU Kar... As I've always said It takes only one word
frm you.

I will stand down... took the breaths... And, walk away.....

I will " allow ".... As I believe everyone should Pay it Forward. Not take

from everyone.... When I saw attorney... I started to really, heat up...

Backing away slowly.... But, I won't turn MY back on this one.

I'll be watching him... [Squint]

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Yeah Vidya, im not havin a go at Mel either, frankly i want him to be more successful, more impactful and reach MORE people because i want there to be more conscious humans. it just so happens that i know better business models, but often we humans (still part monkey) often times deny what we really want (happiness, success, peace, etc.) in favor of what we think we want (to be master of our domain).

I for one would love to play the role the universe has for me since it involves my supreme joy and unity. still my monkey mind fuchks that up cause EGO is a horrible master, but an AMAZING tool. And like others, I often times miss the cue's from Universe when they are not packaged as i want them to be and have missed great opportunities thinking i am better than the opportunity being presented to me. alas..... if i could just master this thing called sublimation of the will...

funny aside...i opened lifes little instruction manual today randomly to a page that said,
"The True Leader of a true cause is the unacknowledged servant of mankind.
Stationary in the background, this individual is doing the work that nobody else can or will do. An erratic career is like the comet's course, dashing through space, headlong and alone." Anonymous -1883

this hit hard because i have not been living the true life...according to this quote...i have been erratic and seeking recognition.

I suppose i have been an arrogant and blusterous in my time, and I often seek to be recognized for my gifts, abilities and skills as a leader...at least thats what my wonderful wife reminds me of at times that i get longwinded. I really am thankful for her.

my growing edge right now is finding that meaningful work that engages my full faculties and puts all my god given talents to work to making more joy, truth, and passion in the world. My growing edge is finding that work AND having it fulfill my need for recognition. I DO enjoy being special, however i DO NOT enjoy being special at the expense of others. I DO enjoy living a blessed life, but again not at the expense of others. I seek to always provide as much value to the community, the world, my family, etc, as i receive.

I am grateful for my sensory gifts and acuity. However, I have been judgmental, cold, and critical. I declare my correctness with authority and without apology too often. ultimately though i know my weaknesses and lay them bare before the world without fear. I am the sternest judge i shall ever face as i have found out nearly passing over.

anyway
I am also not a fan of negativity. Unfortunately im a bit of a martyr and often get the negative perspective of people when they look at me. just the nature of my medicine. im ok with that though. have to be i suppose...

It helps me see who they really are behind the facade of pleasant social contract bull. you never really know a person till you mess with them a bit. Kerry and i had a convo bout that and it's definitely an effective tactic for determining a persons true character. however it doesn't exactly win you brownie points with "gentle-people," or people who believe politeness is key.

f-ck polite. Be the light. and if one dont get you the other, just do whats right.

feel me?
-X

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I feel you. And I do think the reasoning can be split a bit further if desired. I agree you can break up peoples "social veneer" by confronting and challenging them. And often what lurks below becomes visible.

But I see that as a technique, and techniques are not needed where the outcome can be had directly without use of techniques. In other words, can you just directly observe what's below the surface on people, or get to the "truth" without creating a disharmony in the process? Sure you can.

I'm a fan of doing directly what can be done that way. Meditative techniques are great for many things, but if those things can be achieved or arrived at simply by achievement, or arrival, that would seem a simpler way.

Overall, I think humanity is being challenged to find the harmonious, peaceful, loving road as opposed to the confrontational, polarized, violent, self serving road. The hallmarks of where we are headed are unconditional love, non judgement, living in the now moment, and complete harmony. We can use techniques or exercise ourselves towards these things, or we can simply forego all the linear approach and choose them now, with nothing more than simple choice involved. We have them here now, available to each and every one of us, and the challenge for the human race is, what will we choose.

Where we end up over the next few years depends utterly on the choices we make now. And not to put anyone on the spot, but the whole universe is watching, because what we are doing on earth right now has implications throughout all that is.

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wow :nono: I can`t believe this is till being discussed . Mel I`m sorry i posted this here you don`t need the aggravation coming your way . I know we have discussed it here and else where . Its a no brianer folks Cliff has done other interviews Jeff Rense and some one posted a file sharing interview from Sept 22 there are other ways to find out what Cliff had to say you could spend 10 bucks and buy Cliff`s report. See even Cliff doesn`t give it away for free.

I will say this mel it is a testimony to your interview skills and techniques that they would jump on Your a*s to hear your show when others are availalbe for free and they won`t search them out .

Tango you have alot on the ball but posting of personal information is unbecoming regardless of how small it is with out permission . I enjoy reading your posts Tango with the exception of the ones in this thread. mel I promise this is the Last Apology ............Rick

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mods lock thread:zip:

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I just wanted to add to your statement Tango.....

In my life, I have found real JOY in doing for others. It has caused my husband to get angry at times but not I. I know that it gets returned to me and if we don't always see that happen in this lifetime, I'm sure it will in the next.

I find pleasure in this and there have been times when things "came back" to me in double. I know you understand because you live the same way

The whole problem with this is we do it because we want to and sometimes others do it in a different form or way.

Its hard to understand where to draw the line on fees and charges for others. We really do not know what they need to put out on a daily basis.

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to me it looks as thouh the matter has been resolved no need to lock it

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me too....:original: though never thought about any reward for that....but it makes me feel happy....:original:

Re: 09/18/09 Webbot Cliff High with Veritas Show
 

Nor do I It makes me very happy and I feel lucky that I am able to do this