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Karen 11-08-2009 09:26 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
I need to ask everyone to please cooperate with this rule.
Just post a summary or a paragraph and a link to the web page hosting the article.

waitinginthewings 11-08-2009 10:20 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Question:

Since bandwith is a concern here, what about posting very large pictures, & sometimes many large pics in one post. What about posting You-tube vids, many of them in the same post. Do they not take up bandwith, the same as long text posts?

Not picking on anyone here, just trying to understand what the limits are and are not.

Karen 11-09-2009 12:43 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings (Post 186095)
Question: Since bandwith is a concern here, what about posting very large pictures, & sometimes many large pics in one post. What about posting You-tube vids, many of them in the same post. Do they not take up bandwith, the same as long text posts? Not picking on anyone here, just trying to understand what the limits are and are not.

It's not just about band width. It's more about respecting people's copyrights. I've made a lot of comments about the whys in previous posts in this thread. I supposed in a perfect world everything would be all lined up, cut and dried, but in this world there are grey areas, overlaps, etc, and you have to pick a point at which to draw the line. I'm just trying to do the best we can with the guidelines the way I found them when I came on as moderator. It's a pretty standard set of guidelines for maintaining order in online bulletin boards, email discussion groups, and internet forums.

Here's a link to the guidelines:

Anchor 11-09-2009 02:59 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings (Post 186095)
Question:

Since bandwith is a concern here, what about posting very large pictures, & sometimes many large pics in one post. What about posting You-tube vids, many of them in the same post. Do they not take up bandwith, the same as long text posts?

Not picking on anyone here, just trying to understand what the limits are and are not.

Just a technical point here - those things do use up bandwidth for the user, but not for Camelot/Avalon's server. The bandwidth they use is the server that is linked to (eg: youtube, or that of the picture hosting sites). When I am working remotely I can block those images to save my broadband caps and still be able to browse Avalon. Many people still use low speed telephone and modem connections and large postings can be a problem for them.

So really the point is about not forceing people to download content that given a choice they would not have. That is why a brief description and a link is kinder.

More extreme examples of breaking this rule include threads comprised of books posted one chapter at a time per post! Or many posts containing long sections of an even longer article Is the kind of thing we have seen (and removed) - a link to scribd or the source is better for everyone.

A..

waitinginthewings 11-09-2009 03:25 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Tks mods for clearing up this somewhat confusing issue.:original:

Karen 11-11-2009 05:35 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Still trying to get compliance with this guideline.
Read post #1.
Thank you so much.

Karen and all the moderators

EYES WIDE OPEN 12-07-2009 11:21 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Hi. I work as a research librarian so am familiar with copyright. Not to throw a spanner in the works but I think fair use CAN be applied here. It has worked without problems over on the OMF forums for years.
Also, most of the links that are posted are originaly written by people who want nothing other than to get their information out to a wider audience. Im sure they would be grateful rather than ****** off. Also, the links are for information purposes only and nobody is making a profit. I think a simple citation after a link is enough. Or put the whole artcle into a quote. It just seems more reasonable to me. What do the mods think? Can a happy medium be reached before you guys just go ahead and do it? :)

Karen 12-07-2009 11:31 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Ok, so a few weeks back we decided to rewrite this rule - Now one of us just needs to make that happen.

EYES WIDE OPEN 12-07-2009 01:28 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Also, in terms of "long posts" you need to define "long". After all, how long is a piece of string? :)

morguana 12-07-2009 01:48 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
eyes, the string has an infinate lenght, multidimensional and only has a length when it is given one.........:lol3:, apparently :smoke:

sorry couldnt resist!
bou x

EYES WIDE OPEN 12-07-2009 02:19 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
:lol:

Majorion 12-07-2009 02:47 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen (Post 186952)
I need to ask everyone to please cooperate with this rule.
Just post a summary or a paragraph and a link to the web page hosting the article.

I couldn't agree more.

You know sometimes I wonder why people even post these huge amounts of text when they could easily copy/paste a sentence or two just to illustrate a point. I'm betting that most people don't even read those large quotations, I mean who has the time. And I don't think its confined to just external material, often in threads there are those who quote others' entire passages, only to deliver one meaningless sentence under the entire quotation.

Its fairly simple, query-and-response, a sentence replying to another sentence, thats the beauty! :smoke:

leeellismusic 01-10-2010 01:50 PM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
To Karen - Or any of the moderators (Off This Topic :)

Maybe you can help me. I'm new here, about three months - and for some reason I cannot send a private message OR even post a visitor message... I've sent three (!) help requests to the "Contact Us" button at the bottom of these pages - to no avail...

You can e-mail me at <leeellismusic@mac.com> - if you have a suggestion I would be ever so grateful!

Thanks, Blessings and Happy New Year!
Lee

Roman195 01-12-2010 06:46 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
I think if you got a good lawyer this forum can qualify for an academic setting. I agree with just posting snippets of a work and then lead the person to the complete work if need be. You could spend days reading the infromation on this forum and become a prisoner to it.

Peace
Roman
:eyes:

Karen 01-12-2010 07:44 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leeellismusic (Post 219711)
To Karen - Or any of the moderators (Off This Topic :)

Maybe you can help me. I'm new here, about three months - and for some reason I cannot send a private message OR even post a visitor message... I've sent three (!) help requests to the "Contact Us" button at the bottom of these pages - to no avail...

You can e-mail me at <leeellismusic@mac.com> - if you have a suggestion I would be ever so grateful!

Thanks, Blessings and Happy New Year!
Lee

Seems like it was 2 or 3 days ago, Anchor made it so you can PM -

I have reported the "Contact Us" button problem to admin. Thanks for the head's up!

Karen 01-12-2010 08:47 AM

Re: Posting long passages of outside text is prohibited.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman195 (Post 220986)
I think if you got a good lawyer this forum can qualify for an academic setting. I agree with just posting snippets of a work and then lead the person to the complete work if need be. You could spend days reading the infromation on this forum and become a prisoner to it. Peace Roman

I know someone that I think can check this out for us - thank you, I have passed along the message.


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