Coming Polar Shift-Jan.11th 2009.12 audio vids.

[Antaletriangle]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=baKFXr...x=0&playnext=1

George Knapp welcomed researcher Brent Miller, of The Horizon Project, who warned of mounting evidence that Earth is due for a polar shift which will end civilization as we know it. "It could happen tomorrow, it could happen 50 years from now, but all the evidence that we've been able to collect indicates that the next one is about to happen," Miller cautioned of the global catastrophe that he sees as imminent.

Describing the cataclysmic changes which would befall the planet during such an event, Miller said that as the poles move, the equator will be upended as well. According to him, this will result in widespread geographical changes due to wild gravitational shifts. Noting the preponderance of water on the planet, he said that "during this sloshing about, as Earth wobbles and reorients itself, what happens is that the waters literally decimate all the coastal areas around the planet." Painting a grim picture of a post-shift world, Miller estimated that the event would "wipe out four billion people within six months and then a 'Mad Max' scenario."

Miller explained that the Horizon Project based their forecast for a polar shift on a growing number of anomalies around the world. He cited weather oddities, such as snowfall in Baghdad for the first time in over 100 years and the increase in earthquakes in unlikely locations. According to him, off-planet clues, like the increase in solar activity, also lend credence to a polar shift scenario occurring in the future. While he suspected that the worlds' governments knew of this impending disaster, he was doubtful of any official announcement, saying "I think we are given all the warning we're going to be given. We're seeing all the signs."

courtesy:eyezbback channel.

[franciejones]

You beat me to the post. Good work!

[Antaletriangle]

Hey no probs.francie! lol. There are always vids being uploaded onto youtube that pass us by just tryin' to keep the "finger on the pulse".lol.

[Dantheman62]

I like Brent Miller, he's using science instead of prophetic BS, and I've got my eye on the sun, no solar flares yet. The last big one was about 2003, but the solar activity cycle is in minimum activity now. But it just so happens that the major activity part of the 11 year solar cycle falls around 2012.

[Jnana]

I'm afraid I don't find Brent Miller at all credible. He claims to be using a scientific approach, but his arguments are internally inconsistent, he makes claims that have absolutely no support or are inconsistent with real data collected over decades, and he repeatedly spews utter nonsense (such as "we can't create a purely magnetic field" - oh really? what then, is a permanent magnet?).

I will provide a more detailed dissection of this interview if and when I get a chance. To start with, take a look at this article on sea floor spreading. The data showing magnetic pole reversals captured in the rock of the sea floor symmetrically around the mid-atlantic ridge is one piece of the puzzle that established plate tectonics. There are many other pieces, including the fossile record. The movement of the continents from Pangea to the current locations did not happen over a few days as Miller claims. The age data on the sea floor rocks IS consistent with the slow movement model, including the age of the Pacific basin relative to the Atlantic. This is one of the most thoroughly established theories in modern science. It was highly controversial at first, and it took a lot of data to convince the nay sayers. Miller is either dishonest or totally misinformed.

The "galactive plane" discussion is even more nonsensical. A small gravitational force causing a geographical pole shift? More nonsense. Oh, right, they did a computer model.

I can't help but wonder why so many groups like the Horizon Project are promoting these doomsday fabrications. One possibility is that the PTB are going to crash civilization and they want us to blame external forces rather than them so that when they offer to "save" (enslave) us, we'll accept willingly (problem-reaction-solution, as usual, they create the problem). Another possibility is that this is "fair warning" to prepare, even though the real cause of the problem is not the one described. Perhaps both? Is it just to make money? Something else?

In any case, please use some discernment. Use what you know. Learn enough to challenge these claims. Don't take this stuff at face value.

[Antaletriangle]

Yeah, as a geologist i'm fully aware of all P.tectonic theories subduction zones,constructive/destructive plate margins etcetera-as for the galactic plane well,i'm inclined to agree that cosmologically speaking 4 years is nothing in distance so in theory we should be and probably have been on the plane for some years and will be some years to come bearing in mind the size of the galaxy relative to the speed the solar system moves around the galaxy.Unless there is some energy form that is so specifically focused on a miniscule plane on dead centre,which would last days,weeks,months a few years?

[piers2210]

great post, as usual.

Btw, science is always being proved wrong.

What is a "thoroughly established theory" today will be thoroughly trashed tomorrow.

I kind of like what Miller is saying, I'm glad someone is saying this in an understandable way to a non scientist like me, ultimately i'll always go with my instinct though.

[Jnana]

Btw, science is always being proved wrong.

What is a "thoroughly established theory" today will be thoroughly trashed tomorrow.

This is quite true, but the way that is done is by collecting new data and showing how the new data disproves an old model and/or supports a new model. The age of the sea floor has been established by drilling rock cores in the deep ocean and applying various tests. I don't think Miller has rented a ship and got his own deep ocean core samples. In fact, he hasn't shown any evidence of doing anything at all other than making unsupported claims. The magnetic orientation of the sea floor was established using other deep ocean surveying techniques. Show me where Miller is presenting his data and we can start to have a discussion.

There are serious problems with modern science. So far, I don't see that plate tectonics is one of them.

I kind of like what Miller is saying, I'm glad someone is saying this in an understandable way to a non scientist like me, ultimately i'll always go with my instinct though

Unfortunately, I think he is counting on the scientific illiteracy of his audience in order to get away with what he is saying. I'll elaborate on more examples of this from this interview when I get a chance.

[piers2210]

Hey Jnana, so there's nothing to worry about?

What came across in the interviews was he often said things like "i just want people to be prepared" ...

I'm going to stay in good ol' london town anyway, but i've got food, water and candles etc just in case....

Do you think that he's talking such BS that there's going to be no changes to our life styles in the reasonably near future??

I'm not against people making money by selling a few dvd's by the way, if people can spend money on some of the **** games, dumb music dvd's etc that get to the top of the charts today, why not allow a very lucid speaker of the Brent Miller variety to make a buck, even if its possible to find fault in some ways?

Actually, I'd love you to say its such BS that we can forget all the talk about underground bunkers, remote shelters, etc.......

Take it easy. I'm listening!

[Jnana]

Hey piers,

I'll quote myself here:

I can't help but wonder why so many groups like the Horizon Project are promoting these doomsday fabrications. One possibility is that the PTB are going to crash civilization and they want us to blame external forces rather than them so that when they offer to "save" (enslave) us, we'll accept willingly (problem-reaction-solution, as usual, they create the problem). Another possibility is that this is "fair warning" to prepare, even though the real cause of the problem is not the one described. Perhaps both? Is it just to make money? Something else?

So, the short answer is, I really don't know why he is saying this stuff.

Anyone who is paying attention to the world around them knows that some very major very bad things are afoot. I think the bankster bailout is a really big clue that America is going down and bigger demands are to follow. I've said before that I think the 2012 doomsday stuff is largely a distraction to keep people, especially the younger generation who are usually the activists, from paying attention to this type of activity, or to view it as part of a bigger spiritual plan and so put up with it. I really do hope I'm wrong and around mid-year we discover things are getting better, but I think we're looking at a manufactured global economic collapse, as Lindsay Williams has described. Things could be very bad and preparing is a good idea. It just won't have anything to do with geographic pole shifts or this other stuff Miller is talking about (IMHO).

Other earth changes are indeed possible. Climate change is an observable fact, and we're overdue for some big earthquakes in some key areas. The sun is coming off its minimum and heating up again, and the magnetic poles are weakening and could be flipping (eventually). A coronal mass ejection hitting the earth with a weak magnetic shield could get messy (fried satellites, electronics, and power grid). There are plenty of ways to add interest to the situation without talking nonsense.

I'm not opposed to people making money. Gotta make a living somehow. Maybe "doom" is the new "porn".

[piers2210]

I hear ya!

Take care..and btw, I think in the worst case scenario, Indiana was still on the map and will be fine anyway!!

Well the planes have stopped flying over Richmond on their final approach into Heathrow now...must be time for bed!