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Old 09-11-2009, 02:20 AM   #1
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Do we really want to be all "one"? Is this a "New Age" trap? Is this the "hivemind" or the "borg". A trick? They are full of them that's for sure.

We left the oneness of "God" to travel out and experience for the Creator.

Well, maybe this is the time of the "in breath" of God, or maybe it's a trick.

I dunno. I am most wary of "movements" that have a lot of energy, money and personalities behind them.

I was just going to start a thread with this question when this thread appeared.

Many Blessings and be very careful out there,
Karen
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Hi Karen,

Important question, it does need it's own thread.

Oneness is not sameness.

Oneness is not sameness.

Oneness is not sameness.

I realize this is hard to understand from a linear perspective yes? Well, it's not meant to be understood from a linear perspective, it's meant to be experienced in a state of Being in the Now.

The hive mind is exactly where things go for humanity that goes into the DUMB's (did you read the "Greys - who, what, where, when, why, how" thread?).

Literally, that's what happened to the people in the last timeline that went into the DUMBS (deep underground military bases). They didn't move towards Oneness with all life, they tried to save their lives and egos, and thereby they lost their individuality and they moved into a collective ego, a collective mind. They ran away from the ascension, they ran away from doing the work on themselves, and they went underground. They went to save their lives, so they lost their individuality as the saying goes: "Those who seek to save their lives (egos), will lose them. Those who seek to lose their lives (egos) for my sake (Christ consciousness), will save them."

WHEREAS, those who did not go into the DUMBs, but did the work on themselves, did ascend to a higher level in the schoolroom and gained a HIGHER level of individuality than they did before the asension. They remain individualized and continue to grow in consciousness in the infinite schoolroom of the universe.


Oneness with your higher Self is what we are talking about here, to be as above so below. Seeing that all life is One, yet respecting the free will of all life, because even though it is One, each "I" is it's own "One".

We are here to grow in consciousness, to take up our rightful roles as co-creators with the infinite. We were not created to disappear, we were created to become More.

The more separate we believe we are, the more limited our co-creative abilities become because the more likely we will misuse our talents and create karma for ourselves.

Think about all the conflict on planet earth, then imagine that all people had abilities where they could create and destroy things just by using their consciousness. You think this world already has problems???

We are going to move into an age where our co-creative abilities increase very significantly. We're not losing us, we're realizing we're More than the little seperate sense of identity. We are an INDIVIDUALIZATION of the infinite. We can affirm our Oneness with our higher Self, our I AM Self, and be an expression of that I AM here below.

Each one of us is a COMPLETELY UNIQUE individualization of the infinite. No two one of us are the same, we are far more unique than our egos are from each other.

The ego literally is the false sense of uniqueness. In the end, egos are pretty darn similar. When we surrender to the reality we're not really separated from everyone else and separated from the infinite, we gain access to the creative source that is behind all of creation. We don't lose us. We gain us. We gain the real version of us, rather than the illusion that we're no good 'sinners' or 'sick' or limited. We're not limited. We're unlimited. We're One, but we're unique individualization's of the One.

This is literally the single biggest understanding that needs to come forth now for people to really get onto their divine plans. People are so afraid to get back in the Now, what will it be like? What will I lose?

We will lose the pain body, lose the illusion that we're nobodies. We will become More.

The false path is the path of the ego, it literally leads us to lose everything. Eventually we run out of light, run out of opportunities to move higher, and we disapear because we've become so associated with illusion.

The true path is the path of Self transendance, where we constantly become More. We stay "I", we just become a bigger "I" and together we are the "I"s, we are what IS. All the ascended "I"s make up the IS.

Anyway, a grand subject and one that deserves More and More attention.

God has no desire for you to disappear, you just have to trust God, by surrendering to the higher voice within, to become More. It is the not trusting of the higher Self, not trusting of God's plan for us, that is leading to all the problems in the first place... It's just about getting in harmony with all that IS and constantly being willing to become More in the process...

We are More than the seperate sense of identity, we are One, but we are unique and beautiful individualization's of One.

God is INFINITE and has no need to take your "I" away from you. You will continue to grow in consciousness until one day you create your own Universe! Why would this not be the case? God is INFINITE. There is no limit on the gifts you will earn along the way. The game is Infinite. We've got infinite adventure to go between here and creating our own universe too!!! But let's just get back in the divine flow and get back in harmony with the rest of life.

Oneness is reality. But Oneness is infinite diversity because the creative consciousness is infinite and has infinity to give to YOU.
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Old 09-12-2009, 04:11 AM   #2
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Hi 14chakras,

14 - hmmmm does that mean there are two of you?

Thank you for the great explanation.

No I did not see the Grey thread, but I have heard that thought before - about the ones that go into the DUMBS.

Your explanation made me think this -
perhaps there is a
True "We are one"
and a False "We are one".

As Don Croft and Don Bradley explain the whole New Age Movement was set up by the likes of Tavistock to deceive us - to maybe give 90% truth with a 10% twist to send us down the wrong path. Croft explained - if you want to study or join Eastern religions, great, but why not go straight to the source instead of this corrupted version, Theosophy, that they handed to us on a silver platter. I've posted about this before and a search for "New Age Stable" should show those posts. The "ascended masters" also don't get a very high rating from Croft and Bradley, and are explained as being part of the trickery.

I get this vision of deceived zombie-eyed new agers shuffling off to join the "One", chanting "We are One", and ending up in something like TimeToTellTheWorld's "we will be batteries to power their space ships - forever" kind of a scenario. The brighter we are, the more pure, and higher vibrational, the better the batteries we will make.

If we can stay on the non-corrupted path, then yes, we are one in that largest perspective, and yet free to go out and be the creators of our own universes.

I bring this up because I see a lot on this list falling for the same trickery that I fell for and according to Croft that includes the Harmonic Convergence. Hey look "convergence". I didn't notice that before - Let's all be ONE! Shuffle, shuffle.

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Old 09-12-2009, 09:06 AM   #3
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Aha, yes, eureka!

I think this is should be a new thread by a different title.

This pushing of this oneness doctrine IS trickery!
Communism/socialism is giving up your individuality for the good of the group or collective.

Other threads on this forum share the work of Charlotte Iserbyt who identified and blew the whistle on the collectivist agenda of forced public education. It's all connecting.

John Taylor Gatto, a New York School teacher with teaching awards, shows us how the agenda of the mandatory government schooling is to quash the individual and turn us into good little worker drones.

This site connected about a bazillion dots for me - as I clicked on each link.
http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/deceive.html
I'm not saying it is the end all be all of the truth, but it may be about 85% correct.
Am I ready to be a Lucifer worshipper - NO!
But my mind was opened to a totally new way to read the stories, such as those in the Bible.

I started here - a page a bit more complex than the others:
http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/borg.html
Jesus of Borg - The New Jerusalem: God's Heavenly Mothership

http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/rupture.html
Independence Day or "The Rapture?"
The climax of the Cosmic Conspiracy
"As we approach the millennium, tensions mount in preparation for a great CHANGE. New Agers await the coming ascension of mankind, when the benevolent alien watchers will trigger man's shift into the next dimension of ONENESS in the "Photon Belt." Believers in the Bible lock their doors and look to the skies in anticipation of the great rapture, when they will be changed and beamed up to the clouds to be with Jesus. The common theme here is: "Man's time on earth as an unpredictable individual is about to come to an abrupt end." The orchestrators who are behind this effort to alter man's destiny have been preparing us for their direct intervention in our affairs for hundreds of years."

"The Ascension
There have been hundreds of accounts of people who claim to have received communiques from aliens (channelers) that speak of the coming ascension of man. Those who fall for this propaganda ... "

http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/tower.html
"The Tower of Babel - The Slaves Threaten the Master
War has been declared on mankind by alien life forms which pretend to be "GOD." Discover why we have been kept busy fighting each other while these aliens feast on our misery. "

"When they heard God walking in the garden (since when does a spirit make noise when walking in a garden?) they hid. The all-knowing God must call out to them: "Where are you?" And when he saw that they were covering themselves, he realized that they had become sentient; possessing the ability to discern values and to choose between alternative options. They had become AS GODS! Now God was in a delimma and he realized that if man became able to live forever, then he wouldn't be able to keep him enslaved for very long, so God kicked man out of the garden and cursed the ground, telling man that he will have to work by the sweat of his brow in order to survive. This was God's first declaration of war on mankind. God hoped to keep man busy living hand-to-mouth, just to stay fed and alive. In this way, man would not have the time he needed to become a threat to God's status quo. God could keep man as his slave for a very long time."

"When we look at the world around us we see that life is a struggle of "eat or be eaten." If God created this world, it was his intention that one life form devour another. This is reflective of a truly barbaric God! God could have made life which received its energy from sunlight (like the plants do) and thus rid the world of the inhumanity of life devouring life. But since God himself is merely an alien life form which feeds off the energies of other life forms (See Interdimensional Reptilians), we couldn't expect for the nature of life to be anything but what it is...dog eat dog."

And that brings us back to that vegan debate thread from which this thread sprung!

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Old 09-13-2009, 10:56 AM   #4
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This site connected about a bazillion dots for me - as I clicked on each link.
http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/deceive.html
I'm not saying it is the end all be all of the truth, but it may be about 85% correct.
Am I ready to be a Lucifer worshipper - NO!
But my mind was opened to a totally new way to read the stories, such as those in the Bible.

Again if the Universe is a Creation - Is it not?

Surly there is a Creator - makes sense?

And perceiving the spectacle of the Universe some pretty High Intelligence is at play here

How could all this come to be if its not a Projection conjured up in Mind


You see God knows everything and pretend to know nothing
while Man knows nothing and pretend to know everything

...

Btw how hard can it be to understand the concept of oneness

Essence in everything is the same It does not change for It is God - Namaste

When every layer of the onion is peeled What remains is the Essence and It is God and all of us came to be because of Him

And He sees every one of us and He knows every intimate secret

God is totally foolproof

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"When we awaken, everything changes. Yes, God is “out there” but God is also in you, in me, and in everything, everywhere we look. The sacred and divine are in all of life. We now see with new eyes. We see we are a cell in a body and we naturally desire to look after the entire body. All of the body is interrelated, interconnected and interdependent. We are part of this body and we can call the whole of the body, God or Universe or even our new Self [this is why Jesus said “inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me”].

We continue to look after our own body, our partner and our children but our new Self is much larger than this. Now we look after all of humanity and all of life and we do so in co-creation with God. We remember we can call forth resources and healing through faith in God. God is our partner and we come to see strong desire and faith are never denied in co-creation.

In our professional lives we seek now only to harvest what is necessary for ourselves, our family, our community and our world. All resources are part of the sacred and divine family so we harvest minimally, with great care, and with great gratitude, for that which is being harvested. We seek to nurture all those whom we are connected with. We see this is in our Self interest.

We naturally nurture and share. Nurture and share replaces exploit and harvest.

We can now see how we create a world based on love, compassion and sustainability, can’t we? When we awaken, we naturally transform the world because we look at the world in a whole new way. We know Who We Really Are and we know Who Other People Really Are also.

This is why Humanity’s Team focuses on awakening. We see this is the “first domino”. When we awaken together, world transformation happens naturally."

Steve Farrell: http://humanitysteam.org/node/1007


P.S. Yes Karen, bingo, there is ALWAYS a false teaching for every true teaching. Oneness can certainly be used by the serpentine consciousness to deceive. Oneness is not sameness. Oneness is not about joining some collective ego, like the borg, or communism etc. Oneness is not about giving up your free will or your divine individuality.

Divine Oneness is about the realization that all life is interconnected and therefore the source is accessible directly within you and it is in your best interest to express your divine talents to help raise up the rest of creation rather than to fight it or try and prove yourself better than it by putting it down...

We are all One, but we are unique and beautiful individualization's of the One.
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...Oneness is not sameness. Oneness is not about joining some collective ego, like the borg, or communism etc. Oneness is not about giving up your free will or your divine individuality.

Divine Oneness is about the realization that all life is interconnected and therefore the source is accessible directly within you and it is in your best interest to express your divine talents to help raise up the rest of creation rather than to fight it or try and prove yourself better than it by putting it down...

We are all One, but we are unique and beautiful individualization's of the One.

Creation is the Emanation of the Creator

Creation is only a fraction of the Glory of God

Oneness means we all share the Spirit of God and God is One Only

It is fine to call it individualizations of the One but it is Emanations of the One


God is the Breath behind it All

It is He who plays all the roles and dons all the costumes
He is the Sun the Moon the Mountains the Saint and the Sinner

And He is Himself
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Consider "God" has no desire to take away your "I". Does God need it? God is infinite. God has infinity to share. God has a crown for you. You are a co-creator with the infinite. God becomes More because you demand More of it. You create with love and God must create more love to supply your demand.

As all of creation creates using Love, God creates more love to supply your demand. God is love, and becomes More through your demand for love. Increase your creation through Love and God will create more of itSelf to supply you.

Free will is the ultimate law of creation. God did not bother with this whole creation to have it's children disappear. Your "I" is your gift. It is yours to do with as you desire! Once we get it in alignment with the reality that all life is One, our talents will be multiplied and we will be a much more powerful co-creator than we are today...

As Jesus continually told us, we must be reborn to inherit eternal life. He did not say our "I" would disapear, he said it is life eternal we are inheriting here...

To be reborn is to reborn into the reality that all life is One, while maintaining the "I", while maintaining free will... it is then we truly enter from the consciousness of death, this endless reincarnation cycle where we continuously feed the matrix, and enter into the reality that I AM, I AM an infinite spiritual Being having a material experience... and so are you! We are one, and we are each unique and beautiful "I"s here to become More...
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Consider "God" has no desire to take away your "I". Does God need it? God is infinite. God has infinity to share. God has a crown for you. You are a co-creator with the infinite. God becomes More because you demand More of it...


Oh no God does not become more because of our enterprises here on Earth

We add no Glory to God

God does not change


I on the other hand am a fleeting phenomenon in Ocean Divine



I might reek to Heaven Hell and Back to Earth again for a very long time and on and on but it does not change the fact that I as Body Mind Soul and Ego will eventually soak and drown in God



In but a short time Death comes and removes the garb of body
In time the mental rag is cast away
Long live the Soul til It drops on the floor
And gushes forth the Spirit within



The I Am you speak of Is God Himself installed in you who thinks he is an individualization of God



God is Light like a thousand suns

Brimming with Love Truth and Beauty

We have but to pause and receive



Free will is a cause for sorrow to God and the Angels

Look how we apply our free will

It is heart breaking



Innocence like little children observing obedience to the Commandments
enters the gates of the Heavenly Kingdom

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Old 09-22-2009, 11:25 AM   #9
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God does not change

The only thing that does not change in All is perpetual change, even in who you call 'God'.

Creation evolves... Since you are an adept of the bible, look for the 'Heart of the world' written by Hans Urs Von Balthasar, a highly regarded theologist.

Namaste, Steven

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Very interesting, and very intuitive, 14 Chakras.

I hit a real rough spot yesterday, so went to my guidance, and asked what it was all about.

I got a couple of channeled message back. One from the 9th dimensional Pleiadian collective (2500 individuals participating in a group consciousness) and the other was from my Arcturian guides. I'll copy their messages here, but also start a thread in general discussion so more can see what higher dimensional friends have to say about what we are all experiencing right now.

first the Pleiadians:

"The purpose of this wave is to serve as our ride over the next large chunk of highway, moving towards going home.

The idea is that we must find our own power and learn to use it as the multidimensional beings that we are in order to move beyond the wave and towards our higher dimension home.

Many will succumb in this wave. it will be very difficult for most, if not all.

In this wave many people will be faced with those things which cause them the most difficulty. in other words, those things which we have struggled with and fought against all of our lives, will come to us as a test in this wave. The test will be on whether or not we are able to act as the multi dimensional beings that we are, or whether we will succumb on the orders of our lower selves.

This is another opportunity for each of us to find out what our power actually is."

And this is what I got from the Arcturians on the same subject (what was yesterday all about???):

"This wave is moving us home, in the direction of our multidimensional selves. In our natural state, we are all one. There is no separation.

Separation is a construct/product of 3D, the dwelling place of our human minds, and lower selves.

What we have to learn and what we can gain from this wave is a restoration of our ability to be as one, rather than to see ourselves and others as separate. with separation comes blame. assignment of responsibility outside of ourselves. none of which is true or natural.

The wave is rubbing our noses in the 3D places we've come to learn/explore/deal with/integrate.

The key is dealing with what comes up as our multidimensional selves, rather than to succumb to the urge to support separation."

(end of channeled messages) (and for those discerning with their minds as filter, yes I know who I'm talking to, and NO Lucifer, Satan, reptoboy, and voice to skull operator were excluded from participation - their vibrations are SOOO obvious it's funny)

I hope this helps some to see more clearly what the strong impulse towards disharmony is right now, or however this wave is manifesting in their 3D space right now.

It's likely to go on for at least a month, and potentially through the rest of the YEAR. Yikes!!!!

Many here are posting in what I'd say is an "out of character" manner. I believe the above explains at least a part of that.

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[quote=Karen;168288]John Taylor Gatto, a New York School teacher with teaching awards, shows us how the agenda of the mandatory government schooling is to quash the individual and turn us into good little worker drones.

This site connected about a bazillion dots for me - as I clicked on each link.
http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/deceive.html
I'm not saying it is the end all be all of the truth, but it may be about 85% correct.
Am I ready to be a Lucifer worshipper - NO!
But my mind was opened to a totally new way to read the stories, such as those in the Bible. quote]

It looks very much inspired by the Zecharia Sitchin work. The summerian tablets brings up all these ideas written here.

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a good presentation of this topic i feel:


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How about Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Responsible Freedom as a methodology for facilitating infinite diversity in a constructive and orderly manner? This is tricky territory. Tyranny is the ditch on one side of the road. Anarchy is the ditch on the other side of the road. Trench warfare can result from people falling into the ditches on each side of the road. The two ditches feed off of each other...and get deeper and deeper as the two sides fight with each other.

Oneness = Staying Out of Both Ditches.

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How about Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Responsible Freedom as a methodology for facilitating infinite diversity in a constructive and orderly manner?

It is all noble ideas

but what to do with deviants from the methodology

Rules regulations breaches breaks courts and corruption all as it is today


It has to come about a change in the mentality of Man

Man will have to change


But to what We have no Standard

Oh yes we have

But I cannot live up to that

Besides we dont agree on that


Well the Universe will raise up and Align you

Dont worry

Everything will be Alright in 2012


Dont you feel it already

Dont you feel the Love

You see all is Love

and the Universe will sort Itself out


Go back to sleep

Nothing to see here

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“Listening not to me but to the LOGOS it is wise to agree that all things are One.”

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Angels of Avalon hear me.

The All Is One Society needs our assistance.

On February 2003, the All Is One Society was origially founded
by Brian Sanchez as an online spiritual nexus devoted to
exemplifying and spreading the philosophy and practice of
Oneness to others regardless of one's spiritual or religious beliefs.

Unfortunately, on February 2009 our web hosting account was
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As of June 2009, we are reaching out to spiritually and socially
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If you are interested in volunteering your time, ideas, skills, and
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