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Old 03-02-2010, 06:33 PM   #601
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you have done it again, saying what I meant to say so eloquently, but couldn't find the words.


Without the belief in the ego being real this current play would end.

see you say it all the time Chris


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Old 03-02-2010, 06:39 PM   #602
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The play of duality is it the play of Life? I suggest it is truly the play of unconsciousness, forces unseen, rather than the play of Life.

The end of the caterpillar is the beginning of the butterfly. Surrender the ego is not the death of Life, rather it is the beginning of it and marks the beginning of our role in the play of Life.
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:50 PM   #603
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no point to play

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Old 03-02-2010, 06:51 PM   #604
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Thanks for your kind comments RedeZra.
And yes 14 and I just love butterflies.
A type, I know not which, flew on to my heart in the kitchen one day and was in no hurry to move. Eventually it went on to the window which I opened to let it out but it was happy just to stay there in the light.
I have never seen its like before or again.
Let us be butterflies together 14 Chakras and all welcome to join us.

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Old 03-02-2010, 07:01 PM   #605
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no point to play

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That sounds almost like a quote from "Divine Romance" by Yogananda.
Where are you Kriya?

By the way this thread has attracted over 10,000 hits and the ego is still here

My humor will get me into trouble.
I once said " Well I have a good sense of humor Uffe", He looked at me sadly from lofty hight and said "oh no Chris, but your parents certainly had"

It is amazing how some people can make a massive impact on your life he did and does though we have been in touch for a while.
I know you visit this thread from time to time Uffe so thanks for being a fine friend and teacher for me.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:53 PM   #606
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I highly recommend, really from the bottom of my Heart, these ego discourses here:

http://www.askrealjesus.com/H_Reject...hristMain.html

They are a Divine gift for those who choose to BE ~

Follow the Way
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:20 PM   #607
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I highly recommend, really from the bottom of my Heart, these ego discourses here:

http://www.askrealjesus.com/H_Reject...hristMain.html
Certainly, an interesting website.

But, after a few minutes of searching, I did not see where it is ever specified that Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; and that the perversion of this one Doctrine was the chief manner in which his Teaching was perverted.

And, without that specific acknowledgement, the rest of the comments fall flat, as I see it.

Much more egregious, however, is that this so-called "Jesus" has anything positive whatsoever to say about the Pharisee, Paul; that person who is chiefly responsible for turning upside down the Teaching of Jesus on the Doctrine of "resurrection"; which led very directly, several hundreds of years later, to the slaughter of millions of Jews during the Holocaust.

On the other hand, I consider the entire conflict to be a conflict between the preservation of the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' and the preservation of human civilization itself.

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Old 03-02-2010, 11:39 PM   #608
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Hi if this is your first visit to this thread,

Can I suggest that you start page one as there are a lot of interesting contributions from day one.

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Old 03-03-2010, 12:05 AM   #609
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Here we go Chris for another round

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Old 03-03-2010, 12:09 AM   #610
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:11 AM   #611
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Here we go Chris for another round

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Do I need my boxing gloves? Smiling broadly.

Thanks for the M video.
Friend went to see him in London exellent and so simple.
I have a video of him must look it out.
Thanks again for everything you do.
My world is a much better place for you being in it.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:43 AM   #612
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Thanks for the M video.
Agreed.

A very good video, presenting a very clear explanation of consciousness and reality.

Except for one thing:

There is no such thing as the 'mind', for the same reason that there is no such thing as a 'thinker'.

There is only thought.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are thoughts.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are a violation of Occam's Razor.

Thus, one should not identify himself or herself any more with the word 'mind' than with the word 'thinker'.

The 'mind' is merely another thought that one can observe as not being a part of oneself.

It is the "observing consciousness" which is capable of observing thought rather than identifying with thought.

To the scientists of consciousness, however, there is only the consciousness of the 'thinker' or the 'mind'.

In other words, the function of the 'thinker' to the science of consciousness is the same as what the function of the term "ether" once was to classical physics.

There is no more evidence in support of the existence of the 'mind' than there ever was for the existence of the "ether".

Just this one fundamental change in the perspective of the science of consciousness would result in a quite dramatic improvement in the over-all understanding of consciousness.

But my writings to this effect are regularly censored and suppressed by the JCS (Journal of Consciousness Studies) Online 'discussion' group which is exclusively interested in only the 'thinker' dimension of human consciousness.

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Old 03-03-2010, 01:59 AM   #613
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Well, well, well, was I surprised at finding more childish egoistic responses today .

But instead of beating myself up, I'm simply cutting out that sticky "fly paper" with the help of my clearing practitioner. It is almost becoming as simple and routine as putting a load of dirty linen in the washing machine (sigh of relief).

The trail led back to some small incident with my Mom when I was a child :-) (HI, MOM! I WUV YOU )

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:08 AM   #614
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Much more egregious, however, is that this so-called "Jesus" has anything positive whatsoever to say about the Pharisee, Paul; that person who is chiefly responsible for turning upside down the Teaching of Jesus on the Doctrine of "resurrection"; which led very directly, several hundreds of years later, to the slaughter of millions of Jews during the Holocaust.

Poor Paul

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1 Corinthians 15

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. -v19

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. -v50



Paul adamantly asserts that Christ rose from the dead after 3 days

the resurrection of men and women is a spiritual one and not physical
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:15 AM   #615
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Poor Paul

the wolf and the pepper



1 Corinthians 15

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. -v19

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. -v50



Paul adamantly asserts that Christ rose from the dead after 3 days

the resurrection of men and women is a spiritual one and not physical
I can subjectively confirm that -- for in my clearing work I encounter myself when I had not yet assisted in creating bodies, thus a "me" existed before bodies existed, and it is that "me" that I am returning to, body or no body :-)
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:20 AM   #616
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Destroy the ego!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFhmxOThFUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYS5WMWV2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc1EIYKR93A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywe6erdOcrs
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:39 AM   #617
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The play of duality is it the play of Life? I suggest it is truly the play of unconsciousness, forces unseen, rather than the play of Life.

The end of the caterpillar is the beginning of the butterfly. Surrender the ego is not the death of Life, rather it is the beginning of it and marks the beginning of our role in the play of Life.
Definitely the transformation of the caterpillar into the butterfly explains it beautifully.

On a second note, the "ego" these days is so twisted that most common gadgets denote it (i.e. ipod, iphone, itouch, etc...).
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Agreed.

A very good video, presenting a very clear explanation of consciousness and reality.

Except for one thing:

There is no such thing as the 'mind', for the same reason that there is no such thing as a 'thinker'.

There is only thought.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are thoughts.

Both the 'mind' and the 'thinker' are a violation of Occam's Razor.
this is interesting because deep in meditation, maybe you've experienced something like this, you realize your thoughts are separate from you, like they're happening off to the side of you and you can see them flow in and out around you. and then you realize you can turn them off if you want. so i see what you're saying with this.

my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?
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How timely for me. It seems that my recent perceptions of AI have been nullified.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:12 AM   #620
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this is interesting because deep in meditation, maybe you've experienced something like this, you realize your thoughts are separate from you, like they're happening off to the side of you and you can see them flow in and out around you. and then you realize you can turn them off if you want. so i see what you're saying with this.

my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?
Oh, I feel I am so close to realizing that awareness. Perhaps that is why AI no longer can get it's hooks into me, except for some trifling stuff. Yes, first me and my Prime Thought, then other thoughts, then manifesting, then other forms of "me", then universes, then topographical consciousness and mind to navigate these universes, then playing "head" games until now when our mind is almost considered a liability on all sides and our thoughts are no longer our own.

What is my Prime Thought(s)? Separation from Static is still a mystery for me.
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:36 AM   #621
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my question is, where do the thoughts come from? have they always existed?
from where the wind blows
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Thank you Gnosis5 for posting the video! I did not see it before however, when Dr. Deepak Chopra talked; it confirmed for me what I was shown when I asked within me the Q. about the 'ego'.

Got the same answer that Deepak confirmed, from within. Funny thing is that before asking, I always 'thought' that the devil/satan was actually an 'outside adversary' (talking about mind conditioning).


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Old 03-03-2010, 08:08 AM   #623
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Dear Michael Cecil (4Q529)
You are right when you say there is no thinker.
In the words of a Beatles song.
"Nothing is real nothing to go on about"

Talking about is only alluding to and is not it.
Trying to keep it simple as I do.

The mind is like a radio receiver and picks up thought.
According to its "tuning" it picks up the latest "news"

There is nothing in this world of physicality but atoms in movement e-motion.
We are atoms in movement an electromagnetic fields with a personal vibration, an attractor field. it is the purpose of life to evolve so if we can leave at a higher vibration than we arrived then that is good.
We are a walking attractor field and will attract the negative or positive into our lives in accordance with the thought process, which is totally automatic.
We did not ask for a thought to arrive but however it does and thats ok.
The problem is when we call it my thought.
Thats the ego.
We are the actors on the stage in a powerful play and we have forgotten that we are but the actor not the character on stage
Non existent but so powerful is the ego, just a bundle of thoughts that we identify with as me.
The moment witwnessing consciousness identifies with a thought that is egoic.
Einstein did not claim to have invented his famous formula, he worked for years but it aluded him, then he awoke one morning with it there.
Thoughts are an electromagnetic energy field which we tune into, they are not personal till we make them "mine"

Dr David Hawkins wrote "Power versus Force" originally as a scientific paper which was presented to the scientific community. He wanted to bring spirituality into science in the form of consciousness research which he is still working on. Science is stuck in the Newtonian principal of cause and effect and must be measurable.. The world of the Mystic is not measurable.

But is this information helpful in transcending ego?
I dont know.
When you start on the spiritual path everything within you that is not of love comes up to be released, it can be unpleasant to find one thinking badly of others.
What works for me is surrendering these thoughts which I didnt ask to have and are not my true self, to God.
Even though it not my true self identification with the thought is very strong so its one thing to say the ego is non existent another thing to reaize that. if it was easy everyone would do it instantly. It takes the power of God to remove what we have created in identifying with thought.

Regards an welcome to all new to the thread.
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:39 AM   #624
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A thought
What if people share what has benefited them in situations?
How they were able to let go of resentments etc
Thats transcending ego.
The subject of transcending the ego should bring practical answers to various degrees of spiritual understanding.

I could say "Only God Is" that is ultimate truth.
But Is it helpful to some one struggling with three kids and a missing partner filled with "Why me?
No it is not.
So different strokes for different folks.

Lets try and keep it simple.
Whatever gets you through the day is what I would like to hear.
Not a pity party just practical sharing.

With love
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Agreed.

A very

It is the "observing consciousness" which is capable of observing thought rather than identifying with thought.

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I believe I am following you there Michael Cecil .

Consciousness is the observer capable of projecting self created truth (postulates) to manifest an effect. By doing this it can hold a viewpoint and a point to view.
Consciousness can create and decreate as many viewpoints as it wishes freely in the now.That's how we operate when we are inspired : instant knowingness

I see thought itself as something more solid , a standing wave one identifies to and that creates the illusion of time.When the illusion of time sets in one goes through thought processes ( one thought opposing an another and creating dichotomy ) and this in itself creates the illusion of mind.

By letting go of the illusion of time .. of being anchored in a specific space one takes back his sovereignety as the observer outside of time : pure undisturbed freely flowing Consciousness.

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