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Old 10-28-2008, 05:36 AM   #1
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Default I don't know what's happening. Do you?

I've been reading alternative stuff for two or three years. I feel fairly confident that something special is happening, and I feel confident that main stream media isn't telling the whole truth.

But my understanding of the alternative ideas is very limited. Normally, when you want to evaluate the legitimacy of various claims, you ask for evidence. But evidence isn't, for the most part, available for claims involving the strange ideas of this realm.

So I have to admit that I don't know what's really happening in regards to these alternative claims.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?

I can't feel confident that I can answer any of these questions.

I keep reading, but I'm frustrated that I still don't know what's really happening.
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:15 AM   #2
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me and you are in the same boat. except number 5 lol. but yeah i would love ascension or a mass ET visitation but i have no idea if any of that will actualy happen and ive yet to see any undenyable truth.
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:26 AM   #3
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None of us "knows" what the future will be. We have all heard or read what the future "could be", and many of us, (but not all), "believe" what the future will be. I strongly suggest that if we all concentrate on believing in a "positive" outcome for the future, then so it will come to pass. Why? because, by invoking the "100 monkey effect", we will ensure a positive outcome.
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:44 AM   #4
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It's important to balance the positive with the negative. We can make a positive future for ourselves but we must be prepared for anything negative as well. It's important NOT to dwell on the negative stuff or we will end up creating that stuff.
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These are my answers and my truth at this moment. I can't prove it of course and I might be wrong, but I promise I think its true.

I like your post because I like summaries like this - they are quite fun to do occasionally.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
Yes - I will stake my life on that one.

2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
They do already, but not on a mass, undeniable, public stage; so I would say: no, not yet - maybe nearer 2012, and after we have done most of the work we need to do

3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
Yes - very freaking profound

4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
Not sure - if it is a reality, then it might be part of the ascension mechanism

5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?
Yes - quite surprised you ask this one.

There are lots more questions you could have asked

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Old 10-28-2008, 08:31 AM   #6
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well I would agree more or less with Anchors answers but
with #4 too much info about a planet X too not be something...
do not most astronomers say over half of all the stars we can see
and more are of a binary system? good chance planet X is simply
a brown dwarf/dark star...
but really what is it?
and why does the Vatican have so many telescopes?

5) The very wealthy PTB answer to negative
hyperdemensional beings that do NOT have our best interests
in mind... ( Just like we do not give too much room for
our Chickens,Cows,Pigs and Sheep. )

A very good (and short booklet FREE ) on line to check out
is at http://montalk.net
its called " Fringe Knowledge for Beginners"
also The RA material at llresearch.org
all their books are now FREE on-line
and The Wave series at cassiopaea.org
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Old 10-28-2008, 08:50 AM   #7
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These are my answers and my truth at this moment. I can't prove it of course and I might be wrong, but I promise I think its true.

I like your post because I like summaries like this - they are quite fun to do occasionally.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
Yes - I will stake my life on that one.

2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
They do already, but not on a mass, undeniable, public stage; so I would say: no, not yet - maybe nearer 2012, and after we have done most of the work we need to do

3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
Yes - very freaking profound

4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
Not sure - if it is a reality, then it might be part of the ascension mechanism

5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?
Yes - quite surprised you ask this one.

There are lots more questions you could have asked

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Great answers, Anchor. I agree with you on most of those answers.
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Old 10-28-2008, 09:18 AM   #8
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So I have to admit that I don't know what's really happening in regards to these alternative claims.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?
I've been feeling the same way, there are many signs that this stuff is going on - but direct evidence is very hard to find.

My take on it:

1. I'm open to the idea, but I can't say there's any objectionable evidence to support it.
2. According to contactees, not until we change, so this may not happen for a while - but it might happen within our lifetime.
3. I think some major changes will happen around 2012, many ancient cultures seem to hint at this independently.
4. I am not sure whether Planet X/Nibiru is real or disinformation
5. I think this is provable...

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Old 10-28-2008, 09:53 AM   #9
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I forgot for those who feel like your
a "Stranger in a Strange Land"

The book " Wanderers Handbook"
is also FREE on line now at the library section
http://llresearch.org

One should do a poll on this site ?
I wonder how many of us really feel
like we don't belong here & what the HELL is
going on .....
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Old 10-28-2008, 09:54 AM   #10
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well I would agree more or less with Anchors answers but
with #4 too much info about a planet X too not be something...
do not most astronomers say over half of all the stars we can see
and more are of a binary system? good chance planet X is simply
a brown dwarf/dark star...
but really what is it?
and why does the Vatican have so many telescopes?

5) The very wealthy PTB answer to negative
hyperdemensional beings that do NOT have our best interests
in mind... ( Just like we do not give too much room for
our Chickens,Cows,Pigs and Sheep. )

A very good (and short booklet FREE ) on line to check out
is at http://montalk.net
its called " Fringe Knowledge for Beginners"
also The RA material at llresearch.org
all their books are now FREE on-line
and The Wave series at cassiopaea.org
Many thanks for that montalk link buddy, I have several friends who I know will benefit from reading that info -- I totally agree with you - 110% about the way we treat animals... !

Here is the second half of Adrian Cooper's newsletter - He is very much of the same thoughts too !

You are what you eat
---------------------

I have chosen this subject due to the numerous messages I receive
on the subject of diet, as well as ongoing discussions in the Our
Ultimate Reality forums.

Now most people will have heard of the expression "we are what we
eat", but in most cases not fully appreciating the greater
meanings that make this saying true on these three levels.

1. Health

2. Ethical

3. Spiritual

Let us now take a closer look at each of these factors in turn.

1. Health:

First of all I realise that food is a touchy subject with many
people, but I make no apologies for bringing eating habits to your
attention.

If what I am about to present you with conflicts with your desired
lifestyle or comfort zone, perhaps you should consider whether this
and future newsletters are of value to you at this stage of your
evolution.

I am not writing about subjects that I think you want to hear, but
rather that you should hear for your own benefit, happiness and
above all - evolution.

The majority of people eating meat today do so not because they
feel they must eat animal flesh in order to survive and remain
healthy, but rather because eating meat is deeply entrenched in
their psyche, and has been from a very young age.

Babies are not born as avid meat eaters of animal flesh, and
neither do babies or young children require meat and dairy products
in order to survive and prosper.

The only reason that people eat meat is because, as with many other
aspects of society, such as religion, it is a family tradition.

Babies are not born with any pre-conceived ideas, customs or habits
whatsoever. Instead they are learned and conditioned as the child
grows.

A child in the early years, up to between the ages of 5 and 7, is
extremely receptive to everything they are taught by parents,
relatives and schools. This is because the brainwave frequency of
children, even when full awake, is at the Alpha or even borderline
Theta frequencies, which is an expanded stated of consciousness and
therefore of learning. This originates from the fact that
historically a baby and later young child must quickly learn
everything required for survival. This also applies to all animals.

This is also just one reason that very young children have many
inner abilities such as Clairvoyance, Telepathy and Telekinesis.

As the child grows, and becomes more equipped for survival, as he or
she becomes more "tuned" to the physical, material world, brainwave
frequencies increase in frequency to the faster Beta range.

So eating meat is learned - not "normal" or instinctive.

Once learned, I child will grow up believing that eating meat is
"normal" and will continue to eat it out of habit, just as a child
who is born in to a famly of a certain religion, will often devote
themselves to that religion for life, without ever considering the
alternatives.

If this person later becomes awakened, and realises that eating
animal flesh is not the thing to do, it becomes difficult at that
point to adjust to a more appropriate, healthy diet.

Much can be said, and evidence presented as to why eating meat and
dairy products is damaging for your health, but instead I will
recommend a book that everyone in the world should read:

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/the-china-study.html

Suffice it to say that eating meat and dairy products is directly
responsible for a very wide range of diseases, not the least of
which are obesity, diabetes, colon and other digestive tract
cancers, toxic and allergic reactions and premature ageing.

A common argument is that many animals in the wild eat meat so why
should not humans?

The fact is Divine Providence has provided a "food chain" which
every animal on the planet adheres to except for humans.

Humans are "designed" to eat natural whole plant based foods
provided in abundance by Divine Providence. This was even stated in
the Bible book of Genesis thus:

"God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which
is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears
fruit yielding seed. It will be your food". -- Genesis 1:29

Some people believe that plant food is not sufficient to provide
nutrition for full development of the physical body. Well consider
this:

The very largest animals on the planet - both on land and in the
sea - and including the mightiest dinosaurs of yester year - are all
plant eaters. Elephants, Rhino, Giraffe, Basking Shark,
Brontosaurus and all prehistoric sauropods - all herbivores - Vegan.

Others may say - "our ancient ancestors hunted and ate meat". Well
the fact is the our very earliest direct ancestors, which had a
very similar digestive system to ours, were exclusively plant
eaters.

Humans who eat natural, harvested whole foods - Vegans - are not
only much healthier than carnivorous humans, but also live for
between 7 and 15 years longer.

We started out as plant eaters and in order to fulfil this cycle of
evolution we must finish this cycle as plant based food eaters.

2. Ethical:

Animals reared artificially for food are often kept under extremely
adverse, crul and unnatural circumstances designed only for one
thing - the maximum production of meat and milk in order to gratify
the sense of taste of human beings.

Not only are they kept under such awful conditions, they are also
injected with all sorts of chemicals and hormones which are soon
absorbed in to the flesh of the animal or excreted in their milk.

Most people have visions of chickens happily clucking their way
around farmyards, cows peacefully grazing in the fields etc. But
these are the small minority. The reality for the majority of food
animals is completely different.

This video reveals all, but I warn you now it is horrific, even
though it is true:

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/meetyourmeat.html

Anyone eating meat and/or dairy products is always part of this
situation. I realise that to most people that meat is simply chunks
of red stuff on supermarket shelves, or cartons of milk or blocks or
cheese, but these conceal one of the greatest transgressions of
humans who were originally entrusted by God with their well-being.

3. Spiritual:

It could be argued that humans who have not evolved to a certain
level are still ignorant about true nature of animals and their
relationship with humans, or of the consequences of their actions
in eating milk or dairy products. But this does not excuse those
humans who have evolved to the stage where they should know better.

The fact is, animals are not separate to us - they are aspects of
ourselves and, like humans, aspects and part of the Whole. To kill,
harm or mistreat any animal - any animal for any reason - is to
kill, harm or mistreat part of ourselves and all life.

As we evolve and gain more understanding of the true nature of the
Universe, of all Creation, and of all life, we also gain full
realisation of the sanctity of all life, and our individual
responsibilities towards all life and ultimately to and of God.

Unawakened, unaware people can hide behind their material view of
the world, but those who have evolved to the next level have no
excuse - we either respect the equality of all in Creation, or we
regress.

The books of religions teaches this to their congregations thus:

He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man. -- Isaiah 66.3

If one has a strong desire for meat, he may make an animal out of
clarified butter, or one of flour, and eat that. But let him never
seek to destroy a living being. -- Manusmriti 5.37.174

As long as human society continues to allow cows to be regularly
killed in slaughterhouses, there cannot be any question of peace
and prosperity. -- A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by
the way in which its animals are treated. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself. --
Prophet Mohamed

There is not an animal on the earth, nor a flying creature flying
on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. -- Koran, Surah 6,
Verse 38

So in conclusion - indeed you really are what you eat. If you wish
to evolve to the next evolution of human being, you must be the next
evolution of Human Being Now - a Human Being that understands the
Oneness and sanctity of all life, and chooses to live life as such.

Again - I realise that these revelations will not be popular with
some of you who are still eating the diet programmed in to your
Subconscious Mind by parents, teachers and society, and that some
of you enjoy gratifying your senses of smell and taste through
meat, milk and cheese, but I would be failing in my service to you
if I said only those things that you would wish to hear apposed to
those you need to hear and act upon for your own benefit and above
all Spiritual Evolution.

But as always you have the Divine freewill to make your own choices.

As the saying goes: "don't shoot the messenger".

I am here to be of service, and that is what I will continue to do.

Until next newsletter enjoy a wonderful, healthy and abundant week.

In Love, Light and Truth,

Adrian.
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/ou...-the-book.html
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/ne...2005-2007.html
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/sc...paperback.html
http://www.scienceofbeing27lessons.com
http://www.ourultimatereality.com
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums

Additional resources:

http://www.mindpowerbooks.com
http://www.charleshaanelbooks.com
http://www.developingpsychicpowers.com
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums
http://www.thewayofthecrystal.com
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:46 AM   #11
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hi Droid,
to me, your questions, and i think many of us have similar questions, otherwise we wouldn’t be on this forum, are leading towards one conclusion;
finding my own truth is all what matters. what’s meant to be secret will be secret until we will know, until then its just distraction.
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:31 PM   #12
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I forgot for those who feel like your
a "Stranger in a Strange Land"

The book " Wanderers Handbook"
is also FREE on line now at the library section
http://llresearch.org

One should do a poll on this site ?
I wonder how many of us really feel
like we don't belong here & what the HELL is
going on .....
I was thinking out loud to myself this morning and I realized that I no longer feel connected to this world like I once did. A lot of things that I used to enjoy are no longer that enjoyable. I think it's possible that I've matured enough to a point where everything bores me and I want to be challenged by something.
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I take issue with the idea that humans are not meant to eat meat.

I think that food needs vary from person to person. I personally can't imagine eating only vegetables and nothing else. It just isn't feasible for me because I like the occassional steak or hamburger and I usually prefer leaner meats.

The only way I will ever be able to abandon my own desire to eat meat and dairy products is if I have some help in the transition because I cannot do it on my own.
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:46 PM   #14
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I'll take a crack at it.


1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?

Yes. Most definitely. But it's misunderstood more often than not. For example, most ascensions are temporary. Most ascensions occur in relation to one specific aspect of our existence. They are personal spiritual enlightenments. I'm feeling or intuiting that there is something much bigger and more profound than these personal ascensions coming up in the near future, but that it's well within our sphere's of influences and choices to see it through, or to blow it yet again. This isn't something that "happens to us", it's something "we do", and while pushing up hill against opposition. We're in a battle, and recess is over.

2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?

They're here, and for a very long time. Mass landing seems unlikely, as it would interfere with the game going on, which has a very pivotal importance. ET visitors are both corporeal and non-corporeal.

3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?

This seems certain, although not yet set as to which "flavour" of reality will prevail.

4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?

No idea. The likelihood, in my opinion, is that this one is entirely "timeline" related. some potential futures available to us may have this option, and some perhaps not.

5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?

Very much yes. But the lie is different at every level, and this applies to them as well. many of these people are under subtle, but powerful control of ET entities, or their minions. They have no idea that they are at much at risk as the rest of us. Big surprise coming for them as things unfold.

These answers are simply my opinions, and notice the frequent use of "likely" and "perhaps".

What is going to happen, is up to us. This is a major obstacle that we face, is waking people up to this fact. It's all up to us, and we have way more than enough power to shift this game in our direction, but only if we step up and make the necessary changes, starting with ourselves, and the realization that "no drop of water thinks it started the tsunami".

We're making progress, but need more intention and responsibility.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:50 PM   #15
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1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?
Great questions!

1. This appears to be an actual phenomenon. David Wilcock has shown that with the hyperdimensional quantaum physics model, there can exist a state of vibration that doesn't change despite external changes, and yet when energy is increased, at a threshold, there is symmetry breaking and a new, more complex model is formed. That appears to be the underlying basis of our change, is that we are physically going through this phase change, and then breaking out on the other side with a new body, DNA fully manifested, light body etc...

Will we feel this? Will it be painful? You could ask the same about when you die.. but my guess is, is that this transformation is more natural then I could ever put into words.

2. ET is ready to come here... I think the humans are ready for the ET's. There was the Ruport poll that showed public increased interest in UFO disclosure. The difficult part how to let the people know what the governments and ET's have been working on together for over 50 years, and the IF of will we ever find out.

3. Yes. 2012 represents and major paradigm shift in human consciousness that has not happened in at least 12,000-24,000 years and possibly longer. It means how we view lives, our existance, our purpose will change. We have a lot of problems RIGHT NOW that we need to fix, and I think it is giving us some good incentive to come up with some neat, creative solutions.

4.Planet X has a strong possibility of existing. There was the report in the late 80's of a gaseous object located at the edge of our solar system, and only with infra-red techonlogy development then and after were able to study it. My problem with the idea is that it just happens to be an event at the same time as this celestial crossing... so whether there are two events... crossing and a planet visiting... or just crossing. Remember the Mesopoatamions not too long ago depicted Nibiru in their architecture, and Sky Gods that came to visit.

5. There are wealthy, elite people right now who have power, and are struggling to retain it. Some of the family lines are hundreds of years old and their power came from the original banking insitutions in Europe... Rothschilds and Rockefellers... The problem with their struggle is that there is so much momentum going into the next 8 years... people want transparancy, they want global solutions... the internet is spreading ideas faster and increasing psychadellically... our media HAS changed much from what is has been the last few hundred years. These are just a few problems facing the wealthy elite.
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These are my answers and my truth at this moment. I can't prove it of course and I might be wrong, but I promise I think its true.

I like your post because I like summaries like this - they are quite fun to do occasionally.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
Yes - I will stake my life on that one.

2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
They do already, but not on a mass, undeniable, public stage; so I would say: no, not yet - maybe nearer 2012, and after we have done most of the work we need to do

3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
Yes - very freaking profound

4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
Not sure - if it is a reality, then it might be part of the ascension mechanism

5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?
Yes - quite surprised you ask this one.

There are lots more questions you could have asked

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Old 10-28-2008, 04:31 PM   #17
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I take issue with the idea that humans are not meant to eat meat.

I think that food needs vary from person to person. I personally can't imagine eating only vegetables and nothing else. It just isn't feasible for me because I like the occassional steak or hamburger and I usually prefer leaner meats.

The only way I will ever be able to abandon my own desire to eat meat and dairy products is if I have some help in the transition because I cannot do it on my own.

I can totally relate to what you are saying, End Times. Not too long ago I could not imagine not eating meat. I love a perfectly done tenderloin with a good merlot. I love my favorite BBQ sandwich place called Pecos Pit. I love a juicy burger with a fried egg on top....etc.

However.....I made a shift. I no longer eat meat or eggs. I started out vegan for the first couple months, but I settled into a vegetarian mode as I will still eat a little seafood and cheese occassionally. I shifted to a plant based diet. Believe me when I say this: I am totally blown away that I actually shifted in this lifetime! Like I said, I could not imagine not having all of those meat based foods I listed. But, I did it. It's one of the most proudest things I've done. I'm proud of myself because I felt I could never break away from meat. Here's a brief synopsis of my process.

A few years ago when I was totally getting into the subject matter of everything Camelot and Avalon is about, that brought about an awareness of many things. Of those things I became aware about the treatment of animals for food and what that's all about. You know, each of us is ascending everytime we realize something of truth. That is, at each level we progress we awaken, we ascend. We shift in our consciousness. This awareness brought me to the sacredness of life and our interconnectedness with everything on the planet. Not saying anything new here for you all. My awareness of the unconscionable treatment of animals for our food brought me a desire to one day become a vegetarian. For over a year I would say to people that it would be good to ultimately become a vegetarian. I just didn't think I could do it right away if at all in this life. I really loved to eat all that good stuff that I mentioned!

It was earlier this year when I saw George Green's first interview on PC that I began to really shift gears. I devoured Green's 3 ebooks on his site. I consider myself part of the Ground Crew. I feel as if I went into something of an accelerated mode in shifting for preparation for what we are going through right now and the near times ahead. I also purchased the Rave Diet book from Green's site. This was the nudge that got me to shift. I desired to become a plant eating person because of the evil treatment of our animals, but I shifted when I became aware of the health issues of a meat based diet. My understanding has also been that eating meat brings a heaviness in vibration to one's being. I'm not saying that you can't be spiritual and be a meat eater. But, I feel that getting off of meat definitely lightens the vibes within. I want to raise my vibrations, and being a vegetarian helps bring that about. That's my opinion.

So, pretty much immediately after reading the Rave Diet and watching the very enlightening CD that came with the book called Eating, I switched to a plant based diet literally overnight. I didn't ease into it. I just became a vegan--at first. After a couple months like I said, I settled into a vegetarian diet, which is where I'm at now. It's been 6 months. The thing that friends and associates say to me is how's that diet going? It's not a diet I'm trying to maintain or seeing how long I can do this meatless thing. It's a shift. A total shift. It happened. All those things I used to love to eat are really wonderful memories. It's akin to wonderful memories I had as a child playing children's games, but as much fun as that was I could never revisit that again because I am no longer a child. Pleasant memories though. Such is my case with meat.

I must say that all the reasons for my shift are pretty much exactly what Pomguymguy stated.

It's a timely thing that I shifted because of the way the economy is and where we may be headed. I have become more resourceful in terms of preparing food and keeping my money in my wallet instead of eating fast food. I discovered that I am actually pretty good in the kitchen. I rarely eat out anymore. I lost weight naturally. I feel better knowing what I put in my body will not bring me down. I don't have indigestion anymore (used to go through Tums and Rolaids like candy everyday). Saved money by cooking more and not going out. My family hasn't followed me, but I feel I'm setting a good example for my kids in regards to animal ethics and health. Maybe one day they'll know what I know and shift also.
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Thanks Pomguymguy,
I appreciate what you have written. While I still eat meat, I find my feelings about it are changing. I think what you are saying is making sense. Some of it is gradually sinking in here. I grew up eating meat as many do - without truly thinking about it. But now that I am really thinking about things - I see the connections to the rest of the world. I am not ready to give up my hamburgers....yet. But little by little my diet is changing. I plan on searching what is right for me - but also what is right for all.

I have read so much in the past few years that I feel the need to know MORE! It finally became recognizable. But your points were heard here today.

BTW - I read "Fringe Knowledge for Beginners" the other day, and it really reasonated with me.

I just wish I had others to talk to that don't think I am completely crazy. That is frustruating! But does not move me in the least. When will they figure all this out too?
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I've been reading alternative stuff for two or three years. I feel fairly confident that something special is happening, and I feel confident that main stream media isn't telling the whole truth.

But my understanding of the alternative ideas is very limited. Normally, when you want to evaluate the legitimacy of various claims, you ask for evidence. But evidence isn't, for the most part, available for claims involving the strange ideas of this realm.

So I have to admit that I don't know what's really happening in regards to these alternative claims.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?

I can't feel confident that I can answer any of these questions.

I keep reading, but I'm frustrated that I still don't know what's really happening.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:11 PM   #21
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IMHO, I'm still perplexed on what (if anything) will happen within the next few years until 2012. The skeptic part of me of course says nothing will happen. Don't get me wrong, I want SOMETHING to happen though! From my research into the paranormal/conspiracy theories over the years, it still hard for me to grasp the concept of something extrodinary happening to change the way we live our lives.

2012 reminds me a little bit of what happened with Y2K. People were going hysterical about it being the coming end of the world but NOTHING happened...well, worth talking about. And I am leaning towards that way with 2012. But as I remember, not too many people worried about Y2K until 1999 but I wasnt into the whole paranormal subject so I didn't do any researching back then. But we still do have 4 years till 2012 so I believe there is alot more focus ion 2012 than Y2K.

The problem being skeptical (with is of course with any conspiracy), is that there is no hardcore scientific proof. Sure there are paranormal websites/books out there that state the opposite but how do WE really know they are telling the truth? Just because they wrote a book, have a video interview on Camelot or sound like they know what they are talking about? Thats what gets me on Camelot interviews, the HARD questions are never asked.

-where is your proof? (Example-Duncan O'finioan interview he said he had wires all along one of his arms to amplify his strength but of course he didn't have an X-Ray to prove it.)
-should we just believe you just because?
-who are you sources? (of course its always confidential no matter who the whistleblower or their source. So how are WE supposed to know?)

I guess with all my ranting the only real way to determine what will happen in the future is going by what you research yourself. Of course ,what I believe is not 100% proof but if anything, I see a possible new world order or something thereof. I DO want some type of ascention to occur but there is no proof of it occuring and it sounds like fairy tale to ME atleast more than anything. I mean who doesn't want something to happen to change how our world works? I would assume everyone that is a member of this forum would want something like that to occur.

Believe what all your research points finally towards, but don't believe what those sources says because who knows what their real intentions are. I wish 2012 would hurry up and get here though so I know for a FACT what will happen! Fingers are crossed for ascention!
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from my experience all this is just an exercise of faith in the full significance of the word.
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I've been reading alternative stuff for two or three years. I feel fairly confident that something special is happening, and I feel confident that main stream media isn't telling the whole truth.

But my understanding of the alternative ideas is very limited. Normally, when you want to evaluate the legitimacy of various claims, you ask for evidence. But evidence isn't, for the most part, available for claims involving the strange ideas of this realm.

So I have to admit that I don't know what's really happening in regards to these alternative claims.

1. Is ascension an actual phenomenon?
2. Are ET ready to appear to the people of this world?
3. Is 2012 the date for a profound change?
4. Is Planet X a crock of manure?
5. Are there a number of very wealthy, powerful people that are working to gain control over our planet?

I can't feel confident that I can answer any of these questions.

I keep reading, but I'm frustrated that I still don't know what's really happening.
I think number 1 is a possible scenario, i'm counting on this one i can't see any other way that this earth will change other wise.
2. The ET's are already here and part of our make up anyway so yes!
3, Not sure about the 2012 thing change is coming but is 2012 the actual year hmm! can we be sure the years are in sync that's the prob.
4. Planet X urm!!! not sure on that one either we will have to wait and see.
5. Oh definately........ always have been always will unless this acsension takes place.
A mass change is coming we should all feel extremely lucky it has come in our time, we will be the most talked about race in the future i think, for the leap of mankind.
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:14 PM   #24
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All of the questions deal with physical illusion.

Reality only exists WITHIN each of us...so our individual answers can only explain what is inside each of us.

My answers won't work to explain your perceptions.
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All of the questions deal with physical illusion.

Reality only exists WITHIN each of us...so our individual answers can only explain what is inside each of us.

My answers won't work to explain your perceptions.
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