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Old 10-02-2008, 01:07 AM   #1
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This thread is for those sitting in front of the computers doing nothing and waiting for somebody else to guide them through the unknown. Don't be a conformist who's waiting for somebody else to chew something and "serve you to enjoy". That's the solid way to become believer or simple follower. Followers are full of fears, capable to defend believes not knowledge. In the reality, they're not standing for anybody or anything, they're defending own ignorance, and at the end of the day own selfimportance.

We can't change the world by playing guitars and singing beautiful songs about love. What we can do is change ourself only. By doing that we'll change the collective consciousness of this civilization. We are powerful beings, but unfortunately were not aware of that energetic fact. Don't underestimate your being.

Strong intent to change yourself (or get rid of fear), will bring you some tools (techniques) to do that. You'll find the truth within yourself by yourself and you'll know that by COMPLETE BEING. After that nobody else will be able to sell you "wisdom", and you'll know is it "the boy who cried wolf" warning or manipulation.

Be impeccable, don't calculate, start now. Everything else is bs.
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:17 AM   #3
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Strong intent to change yourself (or get rid of fear), will bring you some tools (techniques) to do that. You'll find the truth within yourself by yourself and you'll know that by COMPLETE BEING.
Which is EXACTLY why I am HERE!

Knowledge is power.
Discernment is personal.
We all have something to share here, and that is what it is for.

The time we choose to spend here absorbing what we want to is our choice.
I sense some judgemental energy. I do however agree for the most part. Perhaps I am being defensive.


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Old 10-03-2008, 03:31 AM   #4
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you are totaly right, they did that in the 60's cute as it was it left no lasting effect or we wouldnt be wose off now. Action is the fianl and 3rd key to manifestaton. Also true what u say about fear, it paralizes so there is no action.

Maybe the first obsticle we have to concur is on ourselves, the last month my brain as been pulled and twisted like a piece of taffy, the one thing im trying to learn is to really trust my own intuition and put action behind it.

Intuition is the only thing that is pure, if you delay and calculate ego gets into it and its preprogramed state of beliefs and responces attached to 3d :P which weighs the mind down like a lead fishing sinker

If we can have a full line to our higher mind we wont need to follow, or listen to others channel either which i always wonder how much is flavored by the mind of the reader, the only way to have the purest truth is to hear it thru your own soul.

it is pretty funky thou when you look around and see others on the same channel LOL its a interesting confirmation.

Who is considering making a strong and major change in there lives? Totaly out of character or something uprooting?


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This thread is for those sitting in front of the computers doing nothing and waiting for somebody else to guide them through the unknown. Don't be a conformist who's waiting for somebody else to chew something and "serve you to enjoy". That's the solid way to become believer or simple follower. Followers are full of fears, capable to defend believes not knowledge. In the reality, they're not standing for anybody or anything, they're defending own ignorance, and at the end of the day own selfimportance.

We can't change the world by playing guitars and singing beautiful songs about love. What we can do is change ourself only. By doing that we'll change the collective consciousness of this civilization. We are powerful beings, but unfortunately were not aware of that energetic fact. Don't underestimate your being.

Strong intent to change yourself (or get rid of fear), will bring you some tools (techniques) to do that. You'll find the truth within yourself by yourself and you'll know that by COMPLETE BEING. After that nobody else will be able to sell you "wisdom", and you'll know is it "the boy who cried wolf" warning or manipulation.

Be impeccable, don't calculate, start now. Everything else is bs.
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Old 10-04-2008, 12:34 AM   #5
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Thanks God, there is more than three of us. You are absolutely right Seva.

Like everything else in known reality, we are energy. That makes us possible to perceive whatever we intent. Beside intention to perceive, we need energy to shift our consciousness to reach some other positions.

The problem is, that we are loosing our energy by keeping own traumas in subconsciousness. Otherwise we'll crack. By solving own traumas we'll relieve energy needed for new breakthrough in our consciousness.

Real knowledge is not a concept, it's energetic fact. So if we want that knowledge, we better start to dig in ourself. If not, there is always easy solution to believe. That's religion, is it?

Unfortunately, we need some kind of braking point (usually big **** or a bus) in our lives to realize that.
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:52 AM   #6
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you are totaly right, they did that in the 60's cute as it was it left no lasting effect...
I was just gonna let this one pass. Honest, I was. But then I realized how deeply entrenched the old paradigms are, and how we see them - fail to see them, actually - in every corner of our minds.

If you think that those of us who came of age during the 60s, who marched both through the streets and off to war, had no effect on the world, you seriously need to turn off your TV and your X-Box and read some history. The hippies didn't really start anything either...before them were "beatniks" and before them were anarchists and socialists, all idealists groping toward a greater awareness and a higher reality. Today, that march of consciousness is reaching a pinnacle, but it is far, far from the exclusive property of the youngers.

My point is that you must learn to see the connectedness of it all. Our roots can be traced through history as far as you care to dig. We're not just one in space. We are one through time as well. We are our ancestors. We are also our descendants. As truly sovereign as each of us is, we are so intimately connected with each other and with all life that the tapestry can never be unweaved.

Trust me, we are all connected. I'm glad you think we were cute, by the way.
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I was just gonna let this one pass. Honest, I was. But then I realized how deeply entrenched the old paradigms are, and how we see them - fail to see them, actually - in every corner of our minds.

If you think that those of us who came of age during the 60s, who marched both through the streets and off to war, had no effect on the world, you seriously need to turn off your TV and your X-Box and read some history. The hippies didn't really start anything either...before them were "beatniks" and before them were anarchists and socialists, all idealists groping toward a greater awareness and a higher reality. Today, that march of consciousness is reaching a pinnacle, but it is far, far from the exclusive property of the youngers.

My point is that you must learn to see the connectedness of it all. Our roots can be traced through history as far as you care to dig. We're not just one in space. We are one through time as well. We are our ancestors. We are also our descendants. As truly sovereign as each of us is, we are so intimately connected with each other and with all life that the tapestry can never be unweaved.

Trust me, we are all connected. I'm glad you think we were cute, by the way.
RIGHT ON Brother!!!!
Here, here and well done!...thanks for the pick-me-up tonight...really needed it! Like Ringo sings "I get high with a little help from my friends"
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:28 AM   #8
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True, but on the other hand, each of us should deal with own personal history.
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Then explain why music has been one of if not the most effective form of mind control employed against humans? Music has changed the world, and you will notice that musicians are often targeted once they achieve mass popularity and still challenge the system. They remove them because of the power wielded on that stage to totally manipulate people physically and mentally. The experience can do many things to one person's mind and outlook/perception.

It is modern magick.

My next point being that a peaceful warrior, one who uses the "martial arts" or physical dance like artful expressions to protect oneself, has a different battlefield. The artist is engaged in the war for the mind, and the war for freedom to express and create effectively that which is pure in intent and emotion.

Music is great form of peaceful warfare. The arts are that, peaceful expressions that can change things, be it painting or visual arts, music or singing, sculpting, writing. Martial arts without combat is still a beautiful physical expression and very dance like. The fact that it can be deadly is the sting of the jellyfish.

Musashi's Five Rings. Great read.

I totally agree that people do need to begin acting on all the talk that is brought forth about change and this and that. Enough talk, do it.

And the reason none of the 60's stuff worked is because they removed the ones that opposed what they were using music for. The only ones around are the ones who support and are a part of their industry and brand of mind control, ala the rock and roller. Also the idol trend says it all in name, and it just lets everyone regurgitate said industry MLabels mind control. The idol trend makes brainwashing via music much easier because everyone does it to themselves and everyone around them.

There is no need to make new music, that is why the mainstream is so cyclical, and it is just recycled mind control. Radio stations need to go back to how they were in the 60's. Instead of a Label's playlist, DJ's should be playing their own lists. Turn on the radio and hear something new by someone you never heard of. But no. That is not what the music industry is about at all.

And yes I know what I am talking about in case you think I am some young kid who has never toured and been in the industry from a player's perspective as well as promoter and management for over 10 years.

I also told my friends that when metal or heavy metal becomes mainstream the world will have gone to **** or pretty much be there. Glad to see I was right.

And Ozzy is still kickin. Hedrix overdoses, and Ozzy literally has drugs instead of blood to stay alive. That makes sense. Punk movement was stopped pretty quick. Band broken up, and then death. Both parties. Murder suicide eh? Right. Joplin, overdose on booze. All these veteren rockers and partyers/drug users die, yet the ones who promote their crap still remain in spades. It makes little sense to me, and every case from Holly the first to really flip of the major labels to Cobain who was subject to the same "ritual" as Viscious. Not to mention those plane crashes.

That is why the 60's died. They literally killed it and have been active in keeping musical movements dead or in check. The NSA has a book in their library about the neo punk movement and the heavy metal movement. How to deal with it, as it was labelled an inevitable movement to be dealt with in the "future". That book was supposedly written in the aftermath of the murder of the first punk movement in England. Early 80's. It wasn't shortly after that they began cleaning up metal bands, (see recent Dimebag Psyop Ex Military Shooter) and warping them to promote the "image" or "idol" that they have been trying to since Elvis was made "King". Long point short, what kind of music is often playing in the background to military recruitment commercials? That's right, heavy metal. What about punk? They have been watching punks like hawks because most can't be warped. The movement is simply the anti establishment, hence they plan to beat the **** out of them. That kind of person is the only physical resistence they feel they will encounter when certain things begin. The same thing basically with the rap or urban movements. They were formed as an anti movement, and of course through temptation and label magick, they are made idols which provides them their ghetto dreams come true.

My last point, that is the music industry, now what do you think hollywood is like with all its mafia/drug connections, symbolism, red carpets and even more money?

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Old 10-04-2008, 09:37 PM   #10
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Hi Rev,

It's very simple, our personal problems are buried in ourselves, not in the music. We can say part of the personal problems are on some levels related to the music, yes but that's not the only substance of which our problems are made of.
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It's very simple, our personal problems are buried in ourselves, not in the music. We can say part of the personal problems are on some levels related to the music, yes but that's not the only substance of which our problems are made of.
You are talking about getting out and acting, music is an awesome part of any grassroots movement. Festivals can generate large funds as fundraisers to actually do things which is what you were getting at no? The artists will fight in their own way, the warriors in their own way. The bankers in their way. All classes and parts of society will have an active battlefield or way to peacefully combat what seeks to oppress them, and we all share that problem.

Often the music tells us we cannot really change anything, and that life really sucks, so just be douche and psychic vampire to everyone around you. Let alone that hallmark love or absolute whoredom that is now love thanks to the music and movie industry. Of course there is politics in music as well. Speaking of how powerful music and sound is, watch a movie with the sound off. Not very impressive is it. With sound it is something a little more real, but add music and it changes everything.

All in all whatever. I don't see how bad mouthing a form of combat is doing anything positive. They are acting. You are not and saying they aren't. However:

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So playing guitars and singing can only change yourself? Again I would debate that, but you continue with this:

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So I don't really need to debate it. Music created from freedom gives you a chance to experience that freedom the artist feels. Nothing really wrong with that, and as I said the experience can be very powerful, and sure it can change one person definately. I hear that alot after concerts, when someone who never has been to one, is literally changed after the show. It is like the music showed them doors or even opened a few for them.

Music created to trap, ensnare, or brainwash does just that. If you look at any major media medium, they always repeat whatever is successful in A) Money and B)Achieving their goal in what the film was to do. Again films the major studios support, are not made by them, at least not all, and so they support artists who suit their needs. No different in music and this has been used against us for a long time. The battle has been strong since the 50's when artists began to break molds and start to actually create and act with true musical freedom in their art form.

Again, all I can really say is that music is an excellent ally to any revolution. Especially one in which the fight seems to be about what it is to be free and to be a human being living free on this planet. The freedoms of expressions and artforms. The freedom to think.

Musashi's 5 Rings. Before you cut down society and efforts made in different parts, understand it and all the roles properly before you rattle off against the peaceful people or something you don't see as effective or important because you simply don't understand it.

After all, what should the artists do if their form is so lame or innefective? Become lawyers or something?
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I'm not talking about getting out and acting. I'm talking about getting IN (us) and cleaning sht. Anyway this thread is not about the music only.
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I understand that but you made the remark. I merely responded to the accusations made.

So you made a thread to say, hey everyone know yourself? Ok. Duly noted.



Also proof of internal change and true intent, is always revealed externally by actions. Hence getting out and active proves internal change has taken place or is taking place. Encouraging people acting in the right direction would be far more internally cleansing then scolding people who don't even know where to begin in making such a drastic change or how to do it.
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Also proof of internal change and true intent, is always revealed externally by actions. Hence getting out and active proves internal change has taken place or is taking place. Encouraging people acting in the right direction would be far more internally cleansing then scolding people who don't even know where to begin in making such a drastic change or how to do it.

Just turn your concept upside down and you will hit the target. On the way you put it, becomes simple manipulation. In that case ignorance is bless. But for whom?

Solving own traumas will free us from concepts and manipulated perceptions of this civilization. What's wrong with that? What can you lose? Who's losing?
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On the way you put it, becomes simple manipulation. In that case ignorance is bless. But for whom?
No it becomes influential. Manipulation has an intent to control or conform. If you are trying to free someone you cannot do it yourself, they have to do it. On the level you are talking. Hence you cannot impose your will or make commands and orders for them to follow otherwise you are completely guilty of what you say you aren't and that is imposing your will with an intent to change per your desires and what you see fit. What you can do is share your own inner self and express it. If someone is moved by it, so be it. Powerful creative expression in any way shape or form can do that. Of course there is a dark side to it, and we see it everyday.

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How exactly is this done?
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[QUOTE=rev;39621]No it becomes influential. Manipulation has an intent to control or conform. If you are trying to free someone you cannot do it yourself, they have to do it. On the level you are talking. Hence you cannot impose your will or make commands and orders for them to follow otherwise you are completely guilty of what you say you aren't and that is imposing your will with an intent to change per your desires and what you see fit. What you can do is share your own inner self and express it. If someone is moved by it, so be it. Powerful creative expression in any way shape or form can do that. Of course there is a dark side to it, and we see it everyday.

Hi Rev,

What is freedom?
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I started to like this thread...then it turned a corner.

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The "taffy" metaphor works for me. When taffy is stretched...it never returns to it's original dimensions...same as novel thoughts expanding ones psyche.

The directions and proportions of this 'stretching' are controlled by many things, not the least of which is "free-will". Some who read these words see attacks being made:
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I understand that but you made the remark. I merely responded to the accusations made.
accusation=attack (in this context) Remark does not equal attack (imho)

This thread started as a message...which in turn was mis-interpreted...by ego.

please be aware which part of yourself/you is "behind the wheel".

Seek and Share Love and Light.

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This is the accusation made I was responding to:
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I responded and obviously disagree for reasons stated through out.

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Whatever. We can change the world that way. Don't care what any of you say about that because IMO.

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Which was? You can change the world, but you can't unless you listen to me and forget about change via music. If the entire point of the thread was to simply say know thyself well preaching to the choir is really old and getting pretty pointless. Instead criticism was given for those who might use music and frequency to unlock their hidden strands which in effect cause internal change or at least a good step in that direction.

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Yeah who has the egos around here bud? He said himself the thread was about what I was talking about, just not the point of the WHOLE thread:

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Not about music only. Implying it is about music and more. I was just addressing music as that is what I was responding to. If you people would read without slanted and furrowed eyebrows you might open your eyes enough to actually see the words. I wasn't attacking, I was disagreeing and putting on pressure for him to back up what he said. If he can't whatever. You light sider guys acting like jedi coming to save someone, can save it. You showed your own true colors.

All this **** about telling people not to conform and what happens when someone strongly disagrees to something said? Exactly. Thanks.

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There is no wheel. I am more than a mere vessel. Much more. Enjoy your drive. Again, the preaching to the choir thing is pretty tired. Besides, of all the alledged star kids and indigos here, about 2 or 3 can actually verify it in any way. In fact a whopping majority regurgitate the same light side control ****. Blue beam! I have noticed people here, especially those new agers and indigos, get real upset at some of the things I have said. Going so far as privately telling me to go **** myself. I appreciate that. It proves my point. The hypocrisy here stinks to high hell. The truth hurts. That is why you get mad. The first response to truth is always what? Denial! Fierce denial! That is right. Ain't control programming a bitch?! Yeah, thanks for the new age lesson Ringo.

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What is freedom?
I am hoping this is a serious query. Gonna take it as such and give an honest answer. At least what I can of an answer. Gonna be my last too.

Freedom is the ability to see every option. Choice is not freedom. Otherwise you would be able to pick all the options at once, or just the ones that suit your fancy. Sometimes choice is not available and we need that freedom to see our way out of it, understand and grow from it. We are masters of our fate, but destiny is not ours to choose. The universe is no different than a human body in that it contains the same aspects. Spirit, matter, and as usual always at odds with eachother, but completely necessary for all to be.

People have a perception of freedom. They base that perception from a point in which freedom is options and choosing one of many. I think of freedom as an ability to see all the options and I think the word takes on the most meaning when you are faced with little or no choices. When you must act in the kinetic and literally let the force guide you. That is freedom. For some it is the level of authoritative will imposed over another, for some it is choosing, for me it is seeing. So long as I can "see" I am free. Free to choose, free to act, free to think, and free not to think or make a conscious choice. To use my abilities as a triad human being to their fullest.

I guess I place a more potential tag on freedom, where as most would place it on the act in the kinetic, or ability to do so under imposition or oppression by a higher force. Also, if you can see a good route, but you know you have to take this one in which it is gonna be hard, but maybe someone needs you there. In that case, how does freedom apply when you choose the tougher road knowing that and being able to see both road outcomes?

Peace out "ground crew".

Know thyself. Could've just said it like that.
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concept again.
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Rev,
I'm only writing this to insure you that I have read your response to my "comments". (note: "comments"...not attacks).
I'd also like you to be aware that I don't share your "need to be right".
You seem to be defending your position...why?

Have you missed the law of Allowance?

Again...be careful not to take my words as more attacks on your "stance"...for I truly care not what you think. (I never shared your anger in this topic either)

Just smile and allow others to think as they will.
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No, I am defending my person against distractive character attacks upon myself for raising valid points of conjecture or my "position". I have yet to actually defend my position. Something I have been saying this whole time.

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Again this is not the point and has been a way to drag everything away from the objective arguments raised. This has nothing to do with me being right, this has everything to do with the thread creator explaining himself on certain comments made. If I am wrong then prove it. Debate me. Instead I get a bunch of the typical new age rhetoric all implied to take care of me before anyone "has" to address my comments and arguements.

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Have you totally missed the point? Is this a place to come and spout whatever without being challenged on anything said? There is no room for argument here, I am living proog, so practice what you preach.

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You do actually care or you wouldn't have responded at all. Also I like how you threaten me and then tell me you don't care about what I said. That is the programming. Again thank you guys for proving my points on light side blue beaming. You see you make many points with so few words. Again it isn't about my stance, no one has addressed anything I said. You all just have a problem with me and the fact that I actually don't fit in with you humans. Otherwise my points would have been addressed/nullified and I would have sat down long ago. Instead I am told to sit down, not because of what I have said, simply how I have said it, so bluntly, and so openly. Which makes it OK to ignore what I said and call me a know it all based on literal post examination and selection to draw words to fit your own conclusions about me, and again not about what I said.

How could I expect you to feel anger? The world burns and all you care about is smiling and feeling good about yourself, and letting it happen while preaching a bunch of disinfo and misinfo about light side knowledge. Of course you wouldn't care about musical expression. You said it. You don't care. Only enough to respond on the internet to someone who is challenging the control and spell you are under.

Seems everyone is blinded by the light or drowning in darkness these days. Bi polar madness. How else would you get order through chaos? To get the chaos you need to opposing sides. A bi polar conflict. But you guys are so above everyone and in the position to judge, so allow me to show myself to the door.

As long as you are happy....

rev over and out. I won't bother you guys with reality any more. I can see you are tucked in and still sleeping soundly. Pretty grumpy if you get nudged or moved while you slumber too. You guys are helping people wake up? Helping people know themselves? How?

Again you guys have avoided my actual points like the plague. Blue beam conformity is not freedom my friends. Someday you might actually wake up and see that.

I do care about many things as well. I am outspoken in my cause. Liberation is not achieved by simply wishing and thinking good thoughts. that is complacent conditioning. Liberation is achieved through struggle. How hard that struggle is depends on how smart you are. After all, most of you think it is about standing in herds and ruffling feathers at those you blame for your own voluntary entrapment. You volunteer yourself as a slave and make it legal and then say you are gonne use a legal document against them? No. You are legally wrong. Red light, do not pass go and do not collect 200 bucks. If you stand in groups protesting and trying to say you have rights you have legally abandoned and are now subject to strict statutes and acts, well you are providing the other end of the bi polar interaction being induced. You are the plant eaters. They have made you passive, but you think you are asserting yourself. You are merely exposing yourself for the meat eaters when they come for you.

People do need to wake up. If you argue the above paragraph, then you prove by opening your mouth you don't know who or what you are. You have an idea of what your soul is, and you understand there is a connection, but you fail to see how all things incorporate. You have freed your spirit. That is the first part. The first step in any creation is always spirit and intent. You all seem to have one, the next step is formulation and thinking. Using the mind. The way. The last step is acting in the physical on the way shown through the overall harmony to achieve what was birthed in the spirit or in the unseen.

To not conform you have to break molds and literally see that this whole thing is an actual deception as well as a rich metaphoric one. In the world of wolves, they speak a different language, they behave in another world. To actually attain the freedom or liberation everyone seeks, you will have to meet them in their world, raise the curtain on the wizard yourself, and then walk away from the illusion after you have abandoned that world from that world. You have to say no in their language, you have to claim your rights in their world. You cannot abandon it from here. You need to enter their world which is responsible for this matrix of socio economic slavery, and sever your own cord from the source.

Since none of you have said anything remotely close to this, I am going to run with my opinion that you guys have a clue, but have a lot to learn yet. Especially since it is claimed that the root of this thread is to spread an awareness and urgency to know oneself. You figured out your soul, big deal. None of you can remember anything contained in it. No history or parts of the personal equation. Just spiritual rhetoric.

I am not saying any one here doesn't know themself, I am saying there are many more aspects to it than what is commonly repeated on forums like these, and that there is much more to it. There is an old passage from an old book that says,

Cursed is the flesh that longs for the soul,
and cursed is the soul that longs for the flesh.

It is a warning from Jesus Christ about what I was talking about in regards to bi polar control methods and order through engineered chaos.

So long Avalon Kids. Procyon sends its regards.

MTFBWYall

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Old 10-09-2008, 10:05 AM   #22
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concept again.
Spot on...keep up yer (sic) questing. These are the things most don't want to conceptualize because...I don't know. They don't.
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No, I am defending my person against distractive character attacks upon myself for raising valid points of conjecture or my "position". I have yet to actually defend my position. Something I have been saying this whole time.



Again this is not the point and has been a way to drag everything away from the objective arguments raised. This has nothing to do with me being right, this has everything to do with the thread creator explaining himself on certain comments made. If I am wrong then prove it. Debate me. Instead I get a bunch of the typical new age rhetoric all implied to take care of me before anyone "has" to address my comments and arguements.



Have you totally missed the point? Is this a place to come and spout whatever without being challenged on anything said? There is no room for argument here, I am living proog, so practice what you preach.



You do actually care or you wouldn't have responded at all. Also I like how you threaten me and then tell me you don't care about what I said. That is the programming. Again thank you guys for proving my points on light side blue beaming. You see you make many points with so few words. Again it isn't about my stance, no one has addressed anything I said. You all just have a problem with me and the fact that I actually don't fit in with you humans. Otherwise my points would have been addressed/nullified and I would have sat down long ago. Instead I am told to sit down, not because of what I have said, simply how I have said it, so bluntly, and so openly. Which makes it OK to ignore what I said and call me a know it all based on literal post examination and selection to draw words to fit your own conclusions about me, and again not about what I said.

How could I expect you to feel anger? The world burns and all you care about is smiling and feeling good about yourself, and letting it happen while preaching a bunch of disinfo and misinfo about light side knowledge. Of course you wouldn't care about musical expression. You said it. You don't care. Only enough to respond on the internet to someone who is challenging the control and spell you are under.

Seems everyone is blinded by the light or drowning in darkness these days. Bi polar madness. How else would you get order through chaos? To get the chaos you need to opposing sides. A bi polar conflict. But you guys are so above everyone and in the position to judge, so allow me to show myself to the door.

As long as you are happy....

rev over and out. I won't bother you guys with reality any more. I can see you are tucked in and still sleeping soundly. Pretty grumpy if you get nudged or moved while you slumber too. You guys are helping people wake up? Helping people know themselves? How?

Again you guys have avoided my actual points like the plague. Blue beam conformity is not freedom my friends. Someday you might actually wake up and see that.

I do care about many things as well. I am outspoken in my cause. Liberation is not achieved by simply wishing and thinking good thoughts. that is complacent conditioning. Liberation is achieved through struggle. How hard that struggle is depends on how smart you are. After all, most of you think it is about standing in herds and ruffling feathers at those you blame for your own voluntary entrapment. You volunteer yourself as a slave and make it legal and then say you are gonne use a legal document against them? No. You are legally wrong. Red light, do not pass go and do not collect 200 bucks. If you stand in groups protesting and trying to say you have rights you have legally abandoned and are now subject to strict statutes and acts, well you are providing the other end of the bi polar interaction being induced. You are the plant eaters. They have made you passive, but you think you are asserting yourself. You are merely exposing yourself for the meat eaters when they come for you.

People do need to wake up. If you argue the above paragraph, then you prove by opening your mouth you don't know who or what you are. You have an idea of what your soul is, and you understand there is a connection, but you fail to see how all things incorporate. You have freed your spirit. That is the first part. The first step in any creation is always spirit and intent. You all seem to have one, the next step is formulation and thinking. Using the mind. The way. The last step is acting in the physical on the way shown through the overall harmony to achieve what was birthed in the spirit or in the unseen.

To not conform you have to break molds and literally see that this whole thing is an actual deception as well as a rich metaphoric one. In the world of wolves, they speak a different language, they behave in another world. To actually attain the freedom or liberation everyone seeks, you will have to meet them in their world, raise the curtain on the wizard yourself, and then walk away from the illusion after you have abandoned that world from that world. You have to say no in their language, you have to claim your rights in their world. You cannot abandon it from here. You need to enter their world which is responsible for this matrix of socio economic slavery, and sever your own cord from the source.

Since none of you have said anything remotely close to this, I am going to run with my opinion that you guys have a clue, but have a lot to learn yet. Especially since it is claimed that the root of this thread is to spread an awareness and urgency to know oneself. You figured out your soul, big deal. None of you can remember anything contained in it. No history or parts of the personal equation. Just spiritual rhetoric.

I am not saying any one here doesn't know themself, I am saying there are many more aspects to it than what is commonly repeated on forums like these, and that there is much more to it. There is an old passage from an old book that says,

Cursed is the flesh that longs for the soul,
and cursed is the soul that longs for the flesh.

It is a warning from Jesus Christ about what I was talking about in regards to bi polar control methods and order through engineered chaos.

So long Avalon Kids. Procyon sends its regards.

MTFBWYall
Nicely Put. I'll not take sides but I am enjoying the banter.
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Cleaning our inner mirror will bring change on the surface. This is energetic fact. The rest is thinking.
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