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Old 09-10-2008, 08:57 PM   #1
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Default **COPIED FROM JL FORUM per Bill** ISS - International Space Supercenter Shopping Mall

Forget everything you thought you knew about what is going on in Space... all that is about to change

Welcome to the
Shopping Mall

Someone asked the other day in one of the threads at another forum... Please do not reply until I have placed the full presentation here... It will take awhile The Voice of your tour guide will be in White... enjoy the tour, there WILL be a test at the end...

"But John, seriously, if there really were Secret Space Stations out there and bases and mines on the Moon and Mars, where the heck to people working there go to shop? Surely they don't make the trip back to Earth every time? and they must get pretty tired of packages space food?"

Now that is a fair question... and a good one because no matter where humans go we are spoiled and will want the things of home... So we put together this presentation to try to answer that for you. But first we wish to clear up a little Myth that most Americans are not aware of...

"How many parking slots does the ISS have?"

Parking Concerns

Image Credit: NASA

Well, it would seem that there are quite a few docking spaces. One for the Shuttle, a second APAS capable port for the new HMX-ASS craft and three "Probe and Drogue" couplings, the lower two being capable of multiple moorings.

So parking while you are visiting to shop should not be a problem at all!

"How do you get to it from Earth?"

Currently the only way to reach the Shopping Center from Earth is via the Space Shuttle that NASA operates from Cape Kennedy in Florida. However seating is very limited. You might have a better change hitching a ride in Russia, but most of their ships are robotic freight carriers, and tourist flights are expensive, currently going at 20 million for a 10 day visit, so it may not be easy. There are several private companies working on projects that are promising and other foreign nations have space programs, but with little results for passenger space.

On a recent Mission to the Shopping Center... Space Shuttle Atlantis took the following photo...


Caption from NASA - S115-E-06750 (17 Sept. 2006) --- This view of the International Space Station, back dropped against the blackness of space, was taken shortly after the Space Shuttle Atlantis undocked from the orbital outpost at 7:50 a.m. CDT. The unlinking completed six days, two hours and two minutes of joint operations with the station crew. Atlantis left the station with a new, second pair of 240 foot solar wings, attached to a new 17.5 ton section of truss with batteries, electronics and a giant rotating joint. The new solar arrays eventually will double the station's onboard power when their electrical systems are brought online during the next shuttle flight, planned for launch in December.


Below is a description of the Vessels Currently docked. Click on both Images to get a larger view. A Progress Cargo Ship, a Soyus-TMA and a Soyuz-7K. Shuttle Atlantis took the photo. So here we have four vessels docked at the same time.


Attention!! May I have your Attention Please!!

Progress Cargo Ship M-61 carrying Computer Equipment is currently docking with ISS at docking port 3 of the Russian Module Pirs. Off Loading crew please report to your station....

Ah! That would be the Progress M-61. It is a Automated cargo spacecraft carrying food, water, and fuel supplies for the crew, and equipment to repair onboard computers. Wait a minute... It has automatically docked with the global orbital station, mission control said. The cargo ship docked with ISS on schedule at 22:40 Moscow time (18:40 GMT) today Sunday August 05, 2007. It is delivering much needed additional equipment to fix the onboard laptops of the Russian segment, which crashed on June 11. The Russian crew, Fyodor Yurchikhin and Oleg Kotov, had temporarily repaired the damage but extra equipment was required.

This Progress shipment also delivered equipment to conduct space experiments as part of the Japanese program. The vehicle will delivered more than 2.5 tons of cargoes. They encompass oxygen, water and food supplies, propellant, consumables, science hardware and equipment, including 459 kg of equipment for the US Segment.

Now that Progress M-61 has arrived, currently docking at compartment module Pirs we have transport vehicles Soyuz TMA-10, Progress M-60 and Progress M-61 cargo transport vehicles. Progress M-59 cargo transport vehicle operating as part of the station on August 1, 2007 was undocked from Pirs module and de-orbited into the Pacific Ocean. The unburned vehicle structural elements landed at 23:28.

Image Credit: NASA

Attention!! May I have your Attention Please!!

This just in from Houston TX (JSC) Aug 05, 2007

The ISS Progress 26 (P26) is on course to arrive at the ISS just about on time, but the space shuttle Endeavor is going to be a little later than planned. The arrival of the new Progress scheduled for about 2 40 p.m. EDT.

Wow! Its going to get real busy around here next few days what with the Soyuz TMA-10, Progress M-60 and Progress M-61 already docked, and the Progress P29 and STS Endeavor on the way. That is the most I have seen berthed at one time since my posting...

They are bringing in a lot of material for the new additions. We sure need the space if this schedule is going to continue. Lets continue the tour...

Image Credit: NASA

"Essentially an empty shell of metal in 1995, the Zvezda service module takes shape at its factory near Moscow. The open holes at front will become docking ports." - Jack Arneson (5 Docking Ports in 1 Module)

Progress M-61 Cargo Ship With Computer Equipment Docks With ISS

Progress P-26 To Dock Sunday At Station

NASA STS118 Mission Endeavor - Launched Late Aug 8, 2007

Space Shuttle Endeavor lifted off from NASA's Kennedy Space Center on Aug. 8, 2007 following a smooth countdown. The STS118 mission was the 22nd flight to the International Space Station and Endeavor's first flight since 2002.

SPACEHAB Ready for Last Mission

The single module bolted into Endeavor's cargo bay will continue that work by carrying some 5,800 pounds of equipment and supplies to the ISS, according to Don Moore, director of ground operations at the company's Cape Canaveral, Fla., facility. NASA could still enlist a pressurized SPACEHAB module for a shuttle supply run in the future, but the flight manifest currently leaves that task to the Italian built multi-purpose logistics modules.

Image Credit: NASA

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Construction and Expansion

Image Credit: NASA

Pardon our dust but we have some major expansion work going on to better serve your shopping needs. If you look out that portal on the left, you will see some major additions "Atlantis left the station with a new, second pair of 240 foot solar wings, attached to a new 17.5 ton section of truss with batteries, electronics and a giant rotating joint. The new solar arrays eventually will double the station's onboard power when their electrical systems are brought online during the next shuttle flight, planned for launch in December." This expansion is ongoing as the needs increase.

New Space Station Robot Asks to be Called "Dextre the Magnificent"

Image Credit: NASA Click for larger view

"Dextre the Magnificent"

April 01, 2008

"In a surprising and potentially troubling request, the new space station robot known as Dextre demanded that astronauts refer to it in the future at "Dextre the Magnificent." Brandishing power tools that would make any handyperson blush, the mobile servicing system thanked humans for creating it and promised a glorious future where humans would retain an important role in the new robot order. Happy April Fools Day from the folks at APOD. The classic fable of humans mistakenly creating technological evildoers dates back to Frankenstein and includes famous fictitious villains such as HAL and the Terminator. Dextre, although real, is no Frankenstein, since its computer intelligence is mainly geared toward allowing astronauts to control it remotely. Dextre was deployed last month to help build and service the International Space Station. As seen in the above picture, Dextre is truly a technological marvel, wielding long arms capable of handling both small tools and large modules with precision dexterity."


Well...Isaac Asimov warned us.....

"What kind of accommodations are available?"

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Hotels and Habitats
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Hotels and Habitats

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

One thing we get a lot of requests for is better accommodations. Admittedly the Rooms available in the Shopping Complex are small and there are few available. However if you look out the other portal, you will see Phase Two is completed on the Bigelow Aerospace "Project Genesis". Robert Bigelow is a Vegas entrepreneur that has designed and launched modules for an Inflatable Hotel in Space. Only someone from Vegas could think up such a plan... (Click for a larger version. More wall paper available at Bigelow Aerospace). The project was launched with the help of the Russians and Space Suits will be provided by Zvezda For those seeking a future career you can pick up a brochure in the front lobby. They are currently hiring all positions.

Here on the wall you can see a schematic of the Genesis Module

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

For current location tracking of the two stations you can watch them here...
Genesis Orbital Tracking Current Location

For those of you who will be leaving here and going on to the Moon and Mars... you can make your reservations for the Habitats at the front desk... They are very spacious and clean well lit rooms. Instructions and emergency kits on repairing leaks are also provided.

Image Credit: NASA

These units are available either as individual "cabins" for your privacy, or you can choose any of the established complexes near the mining centers. The ones below are near Tsiolkovsky Crater on the Farside. These are very well known resorts and have been active since before the Apollo Mission. The images below were photographed by Apollo 15. Unfortunately those expensive cameras they had were out of focus that day...

Over here on this poster you can see two of the Habitat locations near Tsiolkovsky Crater on the Farside of the Moon taken by Apollo 15

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Advertising Opportunities

One of the ways the Shopping Center makes money to support our facilities is the same way you do back on Earth... namely ADVERTISING... We have many options available.. Posters on our walls is the least expensive of the options and there is a lot of wall space on the station. Posters tend to break up the monotony of the metal walls and remind us of home. Robert Bigelow has a very interesting poster, taken from what inspired him. I am sure you have seen the message before... Look to the wall above your head...

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

Bigelow Aerospace also offers you the opportunity to "Fly Your Stuff" Click on the link or image above and find out how. And don't worry, we have lots of "space" up here.

Seeing as Robert doesn't get along well with NASA, (his anacronym is No Access to Space for Americans) ask yourself just how is he getting his modules and your 'stuff' up here. Interesting question indeed... but we will cover that later

There is a lot of traffic up here, what with the cargo flights to the stations and the mining operations, flights to the outer planets, the "Visitors" and not to forget the Military. Its a wonder we don't get more collisions. If you wish to reach traffic on its way to the the Moon, Mars and the outer planets that don't normal stop at "this" station there are two options we have available... We have banner space available on the outside of the station. Several companies have already taken advantage of this space very effectively through our sponsorship opportunities. The second option, Bigelow Aerospace has just completed their new "electronic billboard", again only someone from Vegas would conceive this...

Hello from Genesis II
Historic – First Time – Never Done Before!

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

Lego Creates New Toy

Cosmonaut Talgat Musabayev plays with the LEGO Mars Planet Protector toy while aboard the ISS. (HO/WirePix)

Lego has just released their new toy in their "Life on Mar" Series. Here Cosmonaut and Soyuz Commander Talgat Musabayev tests one out in Zero G. I am told these are very popular with the kids on Mars. However if your thinking of getting one for the kids back on Earth don't count on it... These are in reality much more than toys...

"The Lego Company, being active in the non space area, in co-operation with Intospace, a space industry service provider, developed a space education project aimed at developing, launching and operating a Lego Robot on the Space Station. This series is a highly sophisticated assembly set with programmable microchips and advanced reaction systems such as light-, touch or rotational sensors. The space environment of the ISS was perceived as the right scenario for this hi-tech project."
Source - Smithsonian

PEGASUS NOTE: This Lego Robot does not sound like a toy! In fact the Smithsonian Report above states - "Therefore a public competition was announced to create attention offering interested people to participate in developing a robot that will be in the condition to support the ISS crew during their daily routine work."

You probably picked up a copy of popular Mechanics on your trip up here or while waiting it the lobby for the tour. Popular Mechanics has long been showing the world what's going on in Space. It's only fitting that they are a sponsor as well. You can purchase copies in the Commissary

Popular Mechanics

Cosmonaut Yuri Baturin, the flight engineer on space tourist Dennis Tito's Soyuz trip to the ISS, took Popular Mechanics to new heights - as it were - on his recent visit to the station.

Another opportunity available to advertising agencies is the shooting of commercials for television back on Earth. We recently did a Father's Day presentation for Radio Shack...

Radio Shack Shoots Commercial in

Image Courtesy: Luna Corp.

Radio Shack delivers Father's Day gift in space International Space Station Astronauts Receive Father's Day Gifts

Fort Worth, Texas - April 30, 2001 - The Russian cosmonauts who ferried up a fresh lifeboat to the International Space Station are delivering surprise Father's Day gifts for American astronaut James Voss and Russian cosmonaut Yuri Usachev. Radio Shack is sending them talking picture frames with photos and 10 second voice messages from their daughters.

Today's Soyuz docking is the last opportunity to have a crew deliver Father's Day gifts before Sunday, June 17. The visiting Soyuz cosmonaut crew of Talgat Musabayev and Yuri Baturin, who blasted off from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, on April 28, carried both frames up to the International Space Station." - Source Luna Corp.

Radio Shack First To Air TV Spot Filmed On The International Space Station
Commercial Launches May 27 For Father's Day

Shooting on Location: Outer Space

Image Courtesy: Luna Corp.

"Luna Corp. created several projects that engaged the public's interest in space, and that were aimed at enabling direct participation in space exploration. It was founded in 1989 and was dissolved in 2003 after working with NASA, the Russian space agency and commercial sponsors on visionary projects. The company's former president, David Gump, is now CEO of Transformational Space Corp.

Luna Corp. was the first company to successfully arrange for a television commercial to be shot on the International Space Station. Radio Shack aired its space station commercial starting on May 30, 2001, and bought additional network time leading up to Father's Day because it drew such a strong positive response from audiences. The following is the news release issued by Radio Shack and Luna Corp. announcing the event." - Source Luna Corp.

Many of you are probably getting hungry by now... and I know most of you are interested in just what we eat up here... I know Earth TV tends to show you the prepackaged 'sterile' food pouches. We always get a kick out of those reports... we never could figure out why its such a big secret on Earth...

So lets take a few minutes to finish with the commercialization of space and we will give you a tour of the 'pantry'... then stop for a bite to eat at the commissary

Pizza Hut Delivers in Space

A Pizza Hut logo appeared on the side of the Proton rocket that launched the Zvezda service module; part of Russia's commercialization of its cash strapped space program

Station captain Yuri Usachev proudly displays the first chain pizza out of the gravity well. (HO/WirePix)

Capitalism Wins: Russia Takes the Lead in Space Age Advertising
By Todd Halvorson
31 May 2001

It's also the beginning of a new space race, one in which the Russians have once again taken an early lead over their American counterparts.

In what amounts to an orbital battle of "me first" product placement, advertisers in the U.S. and Europe are scrambling to get onboard Space Station Alpha, which is being raised some 240 miles (384 kilometers) above Earth.

In may, four major corporations -- Radio Shack, Popular Mechanics, The LEGO Company and Pizza Hut -- paid to have cosmonauts promote consumer goods aboard the outpost. Meanwhile on Earth, U.S. federal government regulations have relegated NASA to the sidelines as the cash strapped Russians are rocketing off into a new age of high flying advertising, marketing and promotion.

Said Jay McGill, publisher of Popular Mechanics: "Anything can be done for rubles." Source

As you have probably guessed by now, the Russians play a key role up here, unlike what you have been led to believe on Earth. You will see many more examples of this as we continue the tour... Yes Robert Bigelow uses the Russians to launch his vessels, as a matter of fact has recently contracted with the Russians and ATK, An Advanced Weapon and Space Systems Company to purchase the ISC Kosmotras Space and Missile Complex
Russian Federation, Province of Orenburg, Yasny. This is a little known fact back on Earth...

Pizza Hut Celebrates Successful Delivery to Space
22 May 2001

"Pizza Hut announced Tuesday that "the world's first space consumable pizza" had safely arrived on the International Space Station (ISS), where it was eaten by the astronauts living onboard.

"Wherever there is life, there will be Pizza Hut pizza," the Dallas based pizza chain's chief marketing officer Randy Gier said in a statement. "If space tourism is going to be a reality, Pizza Hut pizza will make the trip even better." Source[/COLOR]

"Despite the unusual delivery address, the pizza, called "the culmination of nearly a year of collaboration" between the company and Russian nutritionists, largely conformed to the familiar recipe served up by some 12,000 Pizza Hut restaurants worldwide -- crust, tomato sauce and cheese.

However, the vacuum sealed space pizza was topped with salami rather than the traditional pepperoni. "Researchers found that pepperoni did not withstand the 60 day testing process," a company release rather cryptically stated." Source

Pizza Hut Puts Pie in the Sky with Rocket Logo

Capitalism Wins: Russia Takes the Lead in Space Age Advertising

"The US restaurant chain Pizza Hut has announced that it has become the first company in the world to deliver a pizza to outer space. The company is no stranger to making deliveries in bizarre circumstances - in 1991 they delivered pizzas to Boris Yeltsin and his supporters, who had prevailed over an attempted coup. When food supplies dwindled in the Russian Parliament building, Mr. Yeltsin called Pizza Hut delivery. The publicity stunt however, may antagonize Russia's American counterparts on the ISS." BBC News: Pizza sets new delivery record

Pizza Hut now holds the record for the first pizza delivered to space, the fastest delivery, the furthest delivery and the highest delivery. Speaking of which, I believe it is time to take a break and have something to eat. Follow me....

"That brings up a good point, what's the food like up here?"

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Food in Space

You have probably all seen the Discovery Channel and other reports talking about the food we eat out here. Foil pouches and the like. There have been several reasons to "disguise" this from the public, reasons I cannot reveal here, and quite frankly, its not my area. However now that you are up here on your way to the Moon or other destinations we can show you a little... In the last shipment alone we received over a half ton of fresh fruits and vegetables. They don't keep long here so we need to move them 'down the line' quickly, but as you can see by the crew, oranges and grapefruits are a big hit up here.

I watched the Hi-Def 30 minute broadcast of an "interview" with one of the crew members of the ISS on Discovery HD channel on 08/15/07. Ten minutes of it was on what they eat. No mention of fresh fruit or vegetables. The Commander showed dehydrated food packets, fruit juice packets and everything was in packets. Not a banana, apple or veggie in sight or even mentioned. - Jack

Our main supplies come through Russia. And just like in the Advertising Department you saw mainly Russian activity, this is also true of the Cargo Shipments. NASA has long had a policy of not endorsing products because they are funded by the government and tax dollars. You can review some of their policies in the library HERE

It has also been NASA's policy not to show the public too much... few in America even realize that Russia runs supply ships up here even though they simply need to look at the photos of ISS on NASA images and see the ships docked. It is curious however to note that while they do not cover the food on mainstream TV, they do show the school children back on Earth what we really eat.

Perhaps they wish to prepare the next generation and show them Life is not as harsh out here as they have been told...

The supplies are brought up by the Progress Series. Just as an example...

Progress M-59...

...is a Russian automatic cargo carrier that was launched by a Soyuz rocket from Baikonur at 02:12 UT on 18 January 2007, toward the International Space Station. It carried 2.5 tons of food, fuel, water and equipment and docked with the PIRS module of the ISS at 03:03 UT on 20 January. [2]

Progress M-60...

...is a Russian automatic cargo carrier that was launched by a Soyuz-U rocket from Baikonur at 03:25 UT on 12 May 2007. It carried 45 kg of air, 419 kg of water, and 1.4 tons of dry cargo, 241 kg of fresh fruits and vegetables, 136 kg of medical equipment. [2]

Now for those of you not using the metric system, that is over 500 pounds of fresh fruits and vegetables. So you can see we are not suffering for lack of good food, despite what they tell folks on TV back on Earth.

In the NASA publications for the school children 9-12 you will see that they state...

"Currently, the Russian Space Agency provides half of the food consumed on the ISS, with NASA supplying the other half." [1]

Lets go into the food storage area and I will show you some of the cargo manifests...

"Fresh fruits and vegetables (apples, bananas and carrot and celery sticks) were first flown on STS-6 in April 1983. Oranges, pears, nectarines, grapefruit and jalapeno peppers have also flown occasionally." [1]

"Fresh fruits such as apples, bananas, and oranges, and fresh vegetables such as carrots and celery sticks are loaded onto the Space Shuttle less than 24 hours before launch in a special fresh food locker, which also contains such things as tortillas, fresh bread, and breakfast rolls. During space flight, fresh fruits and vegetables have a short shelf life, and many must be consumed within the first 7 days of flight. Carrots and celery sticks are the most perishable items in the fresh food locker and are recommended to be consumed within the first 2 days of flight." [3]

"The Russians send onions, garlic and tomatoes with each Progress shipment to the International Space Station (ISS). ISS crew members report that the fresh fruits and vegetables from Shuttle and Progress add variety to their diet and increase crew morale." [1]

Now as you can see on the shelves, we do get tons of food in dry packages and other containers. The Russians still prefer the old style tin cans, requiring a can opener. The Service Module that contains the ISS galley is provided by Russia and is designed to accommodate Russian food packages. The Russian galley dining table has slots for heating foods that are sized to fit both can sizes, tubes and the bread packages. [1]

"Cultural differences between the two food systems include the lack of any typical American breakfast foods. There is also more fish on the Russian menu. Some of their breakfast items include perch, both pickled and spiced, and fox berry juice, a mixture of wild cranberry and buckwheat gruel. Several thermostabilized and dehydrated cottage cheese items appear in the menu, mostly with fruit. And, of course, we cannot have Russian food without borsch, a soup made of beets." [1]

Fortunately for crew members, the pantry is well stocked during missions. Due to American and Russian astronauts sharing living space aboard the ISS, NASA provides half the food supply, and the Russian Space Agency furnishes the other half. Entrees such as beefsteak, chicken teriyaki, scrambled eggs, and beef stroganoff with noodles make up the NASA menu, while the Russian ration includes chicken and rice, fish, ham omelets, and prune omelets. Both menus also feature an assortment of fruits, vegetables, and snacks. [4]

"New supplies of fresh food are one of the most prized deliveries for astronauts brought to the Station either by the Space Shuttle or by the unmanned Russian Progress supply ship. Astronaut Whitson said that when a Progress supply ship arrived after she had been in orbit for months, “Fresh fruit and tomatoes seemed like a fantasy… Tomatoes have never tasted so succulent and apples so sweet!” [3]

"Even when fresh fruits and vegetables are not available on the Space Shuttle or Space Station, astronauts have them available in other forms. Things such as applesauce, fruit cocktail, dried fruits, peanuts, and fruit juices have a much longer shelf life, and will last throughout a long Space Station stay." [2]

"Bananas and oranges became less popular over time because of the odor they produce. The fresh fruits and vegetables are loaded on the spacecraft 16 to 24 hours before launch. The odor permeates the spacecraft. Upon arrival in micro gravity, some crew members may become nauseated and then associate the odor of the fruits and vegetables with the nausea." [1]

"The in orbit shelf life is two to three days for most fresh fruit and vegetable items because there is no refrigeration." [1]

So you can see by the above statements that it is imperative that the fruits and vegetables are redistributed rapidly. Consider the logistics of moving a half a ton through the 'network', and remember that that is merely one shipment, representing half the volume of food that passes through here from one shipment. And that's only the fresh goods. There are medical supplies, electronic equipment and many other items that move through here. It keeps the staff very busy...

Just what did you Earthers think we did up here for months on end?

1) Fresh Fruits and Vegetables in Space - 05.13.04
Editor: Shelley Canright - NASA Official: Brian Dunbar - Last Updated: March 4, 2006
2) International Space Station & Russian Progress Launches
Jack Arneson, Pegasus Research
3) Fresh Ideas For Space Food
Courtesy of NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate, January 9, 2003
4) NASA - Exploration Systems - Raiding the Cosmic Pantry
NASA, Author : Space Research Newsletter, Editor: Space Research Editorial Board

UPDATE Re: "Raiding the Cosmic Pantry"
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PEGASUS NOTE: We found the above page "Raiding the Cosmic Pantry" with the photos of the oranges and grapefruits in google cache and saved a copy. Below is Jack Arneson's observation

"OK, we have NASA Shuttle reports on Fruits & Vegetables that say carrots and celery (Ugh), have to be eaten in two days or they will spoil
Progress delivers 243 kg [of F&V] after 3 days. In one case the fourth day.
No refrigeration on the Progress, Shuttle or ISS.
Half the F&V are already breaking down by the time Progress docks.
ISS commander shows [for Discovery] only packets of this and that.
B. Morgan [Shuttle teacher] shows M&M's in sealed packet and more packets of this and that on the ISS.

Where is the over 500 lb. of F&V?

Must be in here on the Russian Space Station in a refrigerator. "- Jack Arneson

Almaz (Diamond)

Pegasus Note:UPDATE: June 01, 2008
The Almaz was the Russian counter station to the American MOL program. We will cover that in the Military section...But you can see the story of the Secret Astronauts on PBS NOVA "Astrospies"... This is only now being released... you can extrapolate the implications

"Do they have a post office up here, can they get packages from home?"

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Delivery of Mail and Cargo in Space

At the moment the US Post Office does not deliver to Space. Most of the personal packages are brought up in the cargo transports or the shuttle... as well as the high tech equipment...

Progress M-59
"The most important cargo of Progress M-59 is the new Liquid Unit (BZh) for Elektron-VM system..." - NASA

Progress M-61
"Along with other cargo, the spaceship is also carrying books, movies, gifts and other personal items for the crew". - CNN

Progress M-60
"Progress is carrying 241 kilos of food, including fresh fruit and vegetables, 136 kilos of medical equipment, medicines and personal items - which includes parcels from the families of crew members. Specific to the US side of the ISS, Progress is carrying 377 kilos of food, equipment and clothing." -NASA

NASA STS (Space Transport System) Shuttles
"To help break up the monotony, there are usually two space shuttle visits that deliver a bonus container about the size of a lunch box filled with items not included in the baseline menu such as candy, cookies, preferred store bought items, and fresh fruit." - NASA

Most of the Cargo we get delivered comes by the way of Russia in the Progress automated ships, but several Private companies are also involved. There is a lot of material coming through here. CSI has been under contract with us since 2002 with their LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System, an innovative, patented method for resupplying space stations using existing technology. Currently they are using Progress ships, but their space tugs are a valuable asset for us. Another company is Rocketplane Kistler, launching out of Woomera, Australia

But from time to time when we need something in a hurry, we call FedEx...

LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System

Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI)

Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI)

"NASA's Alternate Access to Station project — part of NASA's Space Launch Initiative — awarded four contracts on July 12, 2002 to expand options beyond today's capability for delivering supplies to the International Space Station. These awards, with a combined value of $10.8 million, will cover 12 months of work." - NASA News Release 07/12/02

"Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI) is an entrepreneurial orbital human space flight services company that is currently focused on cargo logistics to low Earth orbit (LEO) space stations. CSI is developing the LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System, an innovative, patented method for re-supplying space stations using existing technology."

"The sixteen partners in the International Space Station (ISS) project currently spend well over $1 billion per year to resupply ISS. NASA's budget for ISS crew and cargo services is scheduled to grow to approximately $500 million per year after the Space Shuttle is retired in 2010. Meanwhile, private ventures are planning private space stations which will need low cost economical resupply." - Source

"CSI's patented service "disaggregates" the space logistics supply chain into an orbital space tug and a standardized cargo container. Since the launch vehicle only transports the cargo container, and not the entire spacecraft, the CSI service delivers more cargo to orbit for any given launch vehicle . If one launch vehicle becomes unavailable because of technical problems, the standardized container can easily be launched on other launch vehicles." - Source

"CSI's LEO Express (SM) system can use many spacecraft as orbital space tugs.The earliest tug the system can use is the existing Progress spacecraft which is already certified for ISS operations. Over time as the Crew Exploration Vehicle, or other spacecraft, become certified for ISS operations they also might be converted to a reusable orbital tug." - Source

CSI is a Delaware corporation, founded in 1998. To reach us:
Telephone: 1.818.710.3877
Constellation Services International, Inc.
2313 Via Puerta, Suite B, Laguna Woods, CA 92637

Fed Ex
Olympus Space Utility Vehicle (SUV)

Command Module (CM) – A scaled Apollo capsule 4.6 meters in diameter. The internal volume has a flat back wall for mounting powered and unpowered Mid Deck Lockers as well as Cargo Transfer Bags. Cargo Transfer Bag payloads while water and gas bottles, fill the remaining cargo volume. The Command Module incorporates structural provisions for seats to rapidly convert the capsule for crew transfer missions. This packaging arrangement provides flexibility for meeting a broad range of commercial customer requirements.

Andrews Space, Inc. Olympus Commercial Orbital Transportation System
Capacity: 4 Persons + Cargo
Olympus Commercial Orbital Transportation includes the Olympus Space Utility Vehicle (SUV) and the Olympus Launch Vehicle. The Olympus SUV is a reusable spacecraft capable of transporting unpressurized cargo, pressurized cargo, and crew – all during the same mission - to and from the ISS and other orbital destinations.COTS PDF

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Andrews Space, Inc. Olympus Commercial Orbital Transportation System

Rocketplane Kistler

Kistler Aerospace Cargo Ship Docking with ISS

Contract: 2008
Price: K-1 Cargo Shipping Rates List Prices - See Here

We are very pleased to announce that we have teamed with Rocketplane Ltd Inc. of Oklahoma and will continue operations as Rocketplane Kistler (RPK). We are the developer of the K-1 fully reusable aerospace vehicle, designed to deliver payloads to orbit and provide a low cost alternative to single use launch vehicles. The K-1 is fast becoming the industry leader in reliable, low cost provider of launch services for commercial, civil, and military payloads destined for Low Earth Orbit (LEO), Medium Earth Orbit (MEO) and Geosynchronous Earth Orbit (GEO), as well as to and from the International Space Station (ISS).

Orbital flight tests and commercial operations will be conducted from RPK’s commercial spaceport at Woomera, Australia, and performed by Kistler Woomera and Spaceport Woomera, wholly owned Australian subsidiaries.

An additional commercial spaceport is planned within the USA. - Rocketplane Kistler

RPK Wins $207 Million Award to Demonstrate International Space Station Servicing The Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) contract culminates in two flights to the ISS with first launch of RPK’s K-1 launch vehicle in late 2008.

Update... This just in...
Cargo Shipments

More freight will be delivered shortly by the new European Space Agencie's "Jules Verne" Robot Ship... Like the Progress they will be unmannes, but have a much larger cargo capacity

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"Jules Verne" Robot Cargo Ship

More information is available in the library. These new ships will greatly increase the deliveries and fill in when the Shuttles are retired

Europe Launches Jules Verne Robot Space Freighter
Mar 09, 2008

"What about Tourism? Are there any opportunities for ordinary visitors?"[/COLOR]

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Tourism in Space

Look out the portal on the left... the view you see of the curvature of the Earth seen from orbit provides one of the main attractions for tourists paying to go into space. Tourism is certainly on the Horizon, but current trips to Luna and beyond are only for those with clearance. There is too much risk of exposing operations. There are many private companies offering low level flights, but they are in the $200,000.00 plus range for a few minutes in space... so quite out of the reach of common travelers. Our good friends in the Russian sector offer the occasional opportunity for an 8 to 10 day stay here on this station.. but it seems they have discovered the benefits of capitalism... price tag for one of those excursions is 20 million.

But NASA is annoyed with our friends... seems they are not keen on the idea of tourists up here. I am not sure why they feel this way, after all they are supposed to be a publicly funded organization.

Well that's the end of the tour for today. I hope you enjoyed it. Back in the lobby area while you await your transports you can browse through some literature on the various vacation packages and tour flights currently available.

Also there is a short film for those interested about the Progress Automated Cargo Vessels that support operations out here in space. Many will be surprised as to the number of support vehicles we have.

Thank you and have a safe journey...

Dennis Tito makes history as the first 'official' space tourist. The trip cost him 20 million. Dennis does not like to be called a 'space tourist' but the media have stuck him with this after his historic flight on the Russian Soyuz TM-32 to the ISS in April of 2007

Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported
By Yuri Karash Moscow Contributing Correspondent
posted: 04:00 pm ET 16 May 2001

"Dennis Tito received a frosty welcome from the American crew aboard the International Space Station (ISS) during his sojourn in space, according to his crew members at a post landing briefing held Tuesday in Star City, Russia.

"Having entered the station, we immediately felt that the U.S. crew members had been instructed to keep their distance from Dennis, and they followed this instruction," Soyuz commander Talgat Musabayev said at the event, held at Russia's cosmonaut training center." Source [1]

"Tito and others reported that the greeting from the Americans aboard the ISS were less than cordial and made for a somewhat tense stay while on the ISS." [2]

"Nasa objected strongly when last month American space tourist Dennis Tito spent six days on the ISS, having paid a fee of $20m (£14m) to the Russian space programme." [3]

"Unfortunately, some of Mir's good traditions are not observed onboard the ISS," remarked flight engineer Yuri Baturin. "When visiting crews docked to Mir, the station main crews had always asked the visitors what they would like to have for lunch or dinner, even before the hatches separating the station from Soyuz were opened. When newcomers entered the Russian station, warm food had already been waiting for them."

According to Baturin, he, Musabayev and Tito had to wait for three hours after entering the ISS for a meal. "Its too bad that even Yuri Usachev, Russian commander of the ISS, had apparently given up his traditional Russian hospitality to observe the U.S. developed rules and procedures," said Baturin.

Baturin and Musabayev took the lack of traditional welcoming bread and salt onboard the station, as one of the most eloquent signs of U.S. dominance in the outpost. " [1]

"In conjunction with the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and Rocket and Space Corporation Energia, Space Adventures facilitated the flights for the world's first private space explorers: Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, Gregory Olsen, Anousheh Ansari and Charles Simonyi. The first three participants paid in excess of $20 million (USD) each for their 10 day visit to the ISS.

NASA Public Affairs has used the term Space flight Participant to designate space tourists. Tito, Shuttleworth, Olsen, Ansari, and Simonyi were designated as such during their respective space flights. [6] lists Christa McAuliffe as a "Space Flight Participant" (although she did not pay a fee), apparently due to her non technical duties aboard the STS-51-L flight." [4]

"With the realities of the post Perestroika economy in Russia, its space industry was especially starved for cash. The Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) offered to pay for one of its reporters to fly on a mission. For $28 million, Toyohiro Akiyama, was flown in 1990 to Mir with the eighth crew and returned a week later with the seventh crew. Akiyama gave a daily TV broadcast from orbit and also performed scientific experiments for Russian and Japanese companies. However, since the cost of the flight was paid by his employer, Akiyama could be considered a business traveler rather than a tourist.

In 1991, British chemist Helen Sharman was selected from a pool of public applicants to be the first Briton in space. [2] As the United Kingdom had no space program, the arrangement was by a consortium of private companies who contracted with the Russian space program. Sharman was also in a sense a private space traveler, but she was a working cosmonaut with a full training regimen." [4]

Image Credit Tass News Agency

Q: "You've written before about the need to commercialize space. What does that mean, and how does it compare to the prevailing attitude abut space, especially NASA's perspective?"

A: It's quite insidious. NASA's version of commercialization is not privatization. Those are two very different words in NASA's mentality. NASA's view of commercialization is: "We, NASA, own everything. We own all the hardware. We own the facilities to move people back and forth, and when they get there, we own that facility too."

So in our scheme of commercializing things, we intend to be in business. They are a federal agency that's tax exempt and that gets $14 billion a year. And so they are paying no income taxes and here they are absolutely in business. They take 100 percent of the revenue of any company that pays them to do anything. And that's wrong; that's absolutely dead wrong. And it's a huge competitor to free enterprise."

Q: Why do you think NASA has been reluctant to allow tourists in space, like Dennis Tito, for example?

"Well, it's the mentality that "we own space." NASA stands for "No Access to Space for Americans" -- that's what it stands for to me and to most Americans. NASA has exclusive control and a lock on everything having to do with space, except for the Russian side. And they were just beyond belief in being rude and obnoxious [in response to Dennis Tito's trip]. It was just embarrassing to this country." [5]

1) Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported
2) Space Tourism - Dennis Tito
3) BBC News: Pizza sets new delivery record
4) Private space tourism - Wikipedia
5) My own private space station - Interview with Robert Bigelow

Space Tourism

Soyuz Rides to Space Sell Out!
Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Anatoly Perminov

Anatoly Perminov, the director of the Russian Federal Space Agency, has announced that all Souyz rocket rides to the International Space Station by orbital 'tourists' have been sold out until 2009. A waiting list is available for subsequent space flights in 24-to-30 months.

With demand running high for Souyz orbital flights, the price was raised from $20-million to $21-million recently to meet materials cost. The tourist may also pay an additional $15-million for a space walk.

To try and meet the growing appetite for space travel, Miassishchev, a Russian aerospace firm, is developing a suborbital spacecraft for perhaps as low as $100,000. Anousheh Ansari is involved with the development of the suborbital spacecraft.

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Royal Princess Bea Planning Suborbital Space Trek
Sunday, November 12, 2006

British Princess Beatrice has accepted a suitor's offer to become the first member of the Royal family to fly into space aboard Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo in 2009.

To Bea or not to Bea?
The 18-year-old daughter of the Duke and Duchess of York (Prince Andrew and his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson) and fifth in line to the United Kingdom throne, has reportedly accepted the invitation of David Clark, 24, son of wealthy New Yorker Michael Clark and a favorite young protege of Virgin billionaire entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson.

Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice of York may be the first British Royal in space and help bring about greater social acceptance of space.

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Image Credit: NASA/HMX

Thirty-four years have passed since our most famous amateur golfer astronaut, Alan B. Shepard, Jr., described the exaggerated distance of his moon shot as “miles and miles and miles.” Those famous words followed a one-handed golf swing with a rigged up six iron on the moon. The first swing was reported to be a duff, but the next connected. SOURCE

Now what self respecting Illuminati or Free Mason would go anywhere in the Galaxy if they couldn't play golf...

Saturday, November 18, 2006

Russian Cosmonaut Mikhail Tyurin will hit a long drive golf shot Wednesday 6:28 PM ET 22 November that may literally go around the world. The Russian will swing knocking a lightweight golf ball off a tee placed on the top of the Russian docking port on the International Space Station.

Club maker Element 21 Golf Co. of Toronto is paying the Russians an undisclosed amount for Tyurin's time, which included plenty of practice swings aboard the space station. Tyurin's drive is expected to be one for the record books, though not everyone agrees on how long the ball will fly. NASA figures it will fall into Earth's atmosphere and be incinerated within three days. Element 21 Golf is betting on three years 2.1 billion miles, and several orbits of Earth.

The last golf shot in space was on the Moon by the late Apollo 14 Commander Alan B. Shapard, Jr. in 1971 going "miles and miles and miles" above the lunar surface (see video here).

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So it seems Robert Bigelow was right... "No Access to Space for Americans" (NASA)... we may have to learn Russian to get along in Space...

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We have already shown you the Lunar Habitats available at the Mining sites and other work stations... but for those who really want an out of this world vacation... I would recommend the LUNAR HILTON

Lunar Hilton and Orbital Hilton, Luna

Phase One: 3 Story 100 Room Underground - Began 1967 with Press release
Phase Two: 5,000 Rom Luxury Hotel under Glass Dome
Drawings Complete March 1998 Peter Inston
Initial Investment for Phase Two: 300,000.00
Capacity in Final Phase: 5000 Beds
Support: A school, a hospital and a multi denominational church
Features: Sand beaches on artificial moon lakes, hotel internal water Recycling system
Final Phase Completion: 2050
Class: Luxury Hotel - Lunar Hilton Hotel
Price: Special offer for one week: $25,000 Euro (Transportation Extra)

"Chairman of the US company Hilton Hotels, Barron Hilton (not Baron Hilton) at a space conference in 1967. The optimistic "Can do" spirit that existed in the US space industry in those days during the build-up to Apollo 11 is particularly notable. That discussion continued in the press for a few years, with senior NASA figures making speeches about the possibility of ordinary people being able to buy trips to space. But it faded away as the space shuttle project was begun and almost everyone waited, relying on that to reduce launch costs. The speech is made more notable by the announcement early in 1998 by Hilton International (a British company) of their plans for a "Lunar Hilton" - using water from the "polar ice" to make an artificial beach. " - Press Conference 1967


"Entrance to the Lunar Hilton will be on the surface of the moon, but most of the Hilton will be situated beneath the surface - say 20 to 30 feet - to establish constant temperature controls and a more workable hotel area. The experiments of [4] Surveyor Three seem to indicate that excavations on the moon are possible and that the moon soil might be used for construction. The Hilton will have three levels. At the bottom mechanical equipment will be housed. The center level will consist of two 400 foot guest corridors crossing in the middle core. These corridors will contain 100 guest rooms. The top level will be used for public space. Off the dining room we will place necessary machines and storage areas. To start with we will have only three floors, which will eliminate elevators and minimize power requirements. The multi-storied underground hotel will come later. But - and this is very important - in almost every respect the Lunar Hilton will be physically like an earth Hilton."
- Barron Hilton, 1967, "Hotels in Space", Based on Preprint AAS 67-126, 1967 AAS Conference Proceedings.

First on the Moon for Hilton

"A beach holiday is all very well but where better to top up a stellar suntan than the Lunar Hilton? Soaking up the rays under an Earth lit sky may sound like something out of sci-fi, but plans to open the first luxury hotel on the Moon are already well underway. Top British designer Peter Inston (Inston Design International, 33, Cork Street, London W1X 1HB) has been chosen to design the new building, which will include a vast rotunda containing 5000 guest rooms and a central "activity" dome bigger than the controversial Millennium Dome in Greenwich in London. The Lunar Hilton project has gained momentum recently due to the possibility that there are vast ice reservoirs in lunar craters. Ice means plentiful supplies of water and oxygen. Lots of people would love to go on holiday to the Moon, especially if they could stay in luxurious surroundings," says Mr. Inston, who has designed hotels all over the world including the Intercontinental hotel lit Istanbul and the new Hilton hotel in St. Lucia in the Caribbean. "Lunar tourism is going to take off in a big way. I am particularly pleased to be working with the Hilton on this ground-breaking project." - Lunar Hilton

Bigelow Sundancer Space Hotel

Sundancer Bigelow Aerospace

Cost: $75 Million
Capacity: 180 cubic meters
Support: attitude control, orbit maneuverability and three windows to support a crew of three.
Class: Orbiting Platform Budget Suites
Price: $8 million a week per person

Billionaire Robert Bigelow, founder of the Budget Suites hotel chain, is attempting a significant breakthrough in the private space tourism with inflatable modules. Source - Bigelow Aerospace

CSI Lunar Express

Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI) Lunar Express View

Constellation Services International (CSI) of Laguna Woods, California.

Concept: Cheap Fare to the Moon via Cargo Freighter
Capacity: Combined Soyuz and Progress
Class: Cargo Vessel; Passenger Capable
Price: Contact CSI for quotes and schedules

CSI is primarily a commercial re-supply company for the International Space Station (ISS). However, we have a vision that includes taking average people on a trip around the moon.

CSI's inter modal architecture with standardized containers for space cargo delivery has other commercial applications, most notably as an affordable, near term capability for sending humans around the Moon, or even into Lunar Orbit. And by sparking a normal market driven trend towards more affordable cargo delivery to crewed platforms in Earth orbit, CSI will make new innovative markets for human space operations in LEO economically feasible, including large scale orbital tourism, satellite retrieval, maintenance, or repair, and exploration.[/COLOR]

SpaceDev Dream Chaser

Photo Courtesy SpaceDev
Designed After: NASA and Air Force Bell X-2, North American X-15, and Northrop T-38
Class: Sub orbital Apogee 63 miles
Price: $200,000 to $300,000 per person
- SpaceDev

The Benson Space Dream Chaser (also called the SpaceDev Dream Chaser) is one of the newest space tourism space crafts from Benson Space Company out of Poway, California.

Virgin Galactic

Photo Courtesy Virgin Galactic, Inc.

Design: Unique Concept
Class: Sub orbital Apogee 330,000 feet
Reservations: Fill out Form
Price: $200,000.00 per person Deposit $20,000.00

Virgin Galactic is the world's first spaceline. Giving you the groundbreaking opportunity to become one of the first ever non-professional astronauts. Virgin Galactic will own and operate its privately built spaceships, modeled on the remarkable, history making Spaceship One. - Virgin Galactic


Virgin Galactic is going to fly out of the new Spaceport America in New Mexico... construction has begun...

Welcome to

Rocketplane XP

Photo Courtesy Rocketplane XP

Class: Sub orbital Apogee 330,000 feet
Reservations: 877.238.0057 or Fill out Form
Price: $250,000.00 per person

Rocketplane XP space plane and start your flight on a modified Learjet 25 (plus delta wing and V-tail) from the Oklahoma Spaceport. - Rocketplane XP

Space Ship One

Photos Courtesy Scaled Composites, Inc. Spaceship One takes off (right) and view from space over Santa Barbara, CA (left).

Class: Sub orbital
Price: Contact Scaled Composites

Spaceship One (SS1) is the brainchild of Burt Rutan and his aviation company Scaled Composites. The $25 million funding for the project was provided by Microsoft co-founder, Paul Allen, who regularly appears on the Forbes list of the world's richest people. - Scaled Composites

Blue Origin New Shepard

[COLOR="Red"]Testing: near Van Horn, Texas.
Designed after NASA's DC-X
Capacity: 3 Persons 1 Crew
Class: Sub orbital
Price: Undetermined - Blue Origin

Blue Origin project - a manned rocket called the New Shepard for purposes of space tourism. Blue Origin is owned by billionaire Jeff Bezos, who is also the founder of Amazon.com.New Shepard is being developed as a commercially viable, cost effective sub orbital and reusable launch aircraft and is being assembled in Seattle, Washington.

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Scaled Composites

3 Killed, 3 Critically Injured In Mojave Airport Explosion

July 26, 2007

MOJAVE, Calif. -- A fatal explosion at a Mojave Desert airport during testing of a propellant system for a new space tourism vehicle has shaken a small community that prides itself as the hometown of the first private space launch.

The blast Thursday at a remote test facility belonging to Scaled Composites LLC killed three workers and critically injured three others.

Emergency responders found a tanker truck overturned by the force of the blast, according to KNBC news.

Scaled Composited employees, Eric Blackwell, Charles May & Todd Ivens were all killed in the blast, KNBC news reported. Blackwell and May died at the scene, Ivens died after being transported to Kern Medical Center.

All three were at a test pad while pressure-testing the flow of nitrous oxide in a tank. For an unknown reason, the tank exploded.


Letter from Scaled Composites

29 July 2007

Dear Friends,

On Thursday, July 26, 2007, Scaled suffered a tragic accident. In a routine test of rocket motor components, an unexplained explosion occurred that took the life of three of our family and injured many others.

We are working closely with government investigators to determine the cause of this accident. In addition, we are engaging several outside experts to help us ensure that we precisely understand what went wrong and how we might prevent a future occurrence. The safety and well-being of our employees is our highest priority and we intend to share the appropriate lessons learned from our investigation with the industry so others may learn from our experience.

Words cannot express the appreciation we feel for all of you who have extended your prayers and good wishes to us during this time of hardship. The outpouring of comfort and support has done much to bring some healing. As you know, we lost three of our own; three more were critically or seriously injured and are in various stages of recovery in local hospitals; and several others retained less serious physical injuries but face the emotional healing that follows tragedy.

Memorial services are scheduled for the families and friends of the deceased. Todd Ivens' parents have arrived in California and will be having a memorial for their son with his Scaled family, Tuesday, July 31, at Noon. This will be followed by a burial service with his family in Oregon in the days ahead.

The funeral for Glen May is Friday, August 3, 2007, in Collierville, TN. The family would love to hear from anyone who has special memories of Glen; please email them to aprildmay@aol.com. They will be sharing many stories with all those gathered in Glen's memory.

Eric Blackwell's services will be August 11, 2007, in Ridgecrest, CA. There will be a gathering afterwards for those close to Eric to share their memories.

The three who were critically or seriously injured in the accident remain hospitalized. Gene Gisin and Keith Fritsinger remain in critical condition, but are progressing in their rehabilitation. Each day shows improvement, and our hope for a complete recovery becomes more and more visible. Keith Fritsinger will be taken later Tuesday afternoon to a burn unit in Southern California to continue his recovery.

Jason Kramb is making great progress. He is no longer listed as serious, and he has been in good spirits and surrounded by many friends and loving family. To continue his recuperation, he has been transferred to a burn unit in Southern California. Although he has recovered to a great extent, he still has some weeks to go in his rehabilitation.

All three of the hospitalized are surrounded by loving family, who are also in need of our strength and support. Many of you have extended your desire to help them in their time of need. Letters and cards of sympathy can be sent care of Scaled at the address below.

Scaled Family Support Fund
c/o Scaled Composites
1624 Flight Line
Mojave, CA. 93501

As many can understand, this accident has left an emotional wound in our Scaled family. We ask for your continued prayers and good wishes that all those hurting can find strength and solace in the days ahead.

With grateful hearts,

The Scaled Composites Family
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Disappearance of Adventurer Steve Fossett Baffles Experts

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James Stephen Fossett
(April 22, 1944 – missing September 3, 2007, declared legally dead February 15, 2008)

He was an American aviator, sailor, and adventurer who became the first person to fly solo nonstop around the world in a balloon. He made his fortune in the financial services industry and was best known for many world records, including five nonstop circumnavigations of the Earth: as a long-distance solo balloonist, as a sailor, and as a solo flight fixed-wing aircraft pilot.

A fellow of the Royal Geographical Society and The Explorers Club, Fossett set 116 records in five different sports, 60 of which still stand.

Fossett was reported missing after the plane he was flying over the Nevada desert failed to return.[4] Despite more than one month of searches by the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) and others, Fossett could not be found, and the search by CAP was called off on October 2, 2007. However, privately-funded and directed search efforts continued.

On November 2, 2007, Peggy Fossett and Dick Rutan accepted the Spread Wings Award in Steve Fossett's behalf at the 2007 Spreading Wings Gala, Wings Over the Rockies Air and Space Museum, Denver, Colorado.

On November 26, 2007, Fossett's wife requested that Fossett be declared legally dead.[6] The petition was granted on February 15, 2008.


Rescuers to Resume Search for Plane Carrying Aviation Adventurer Steve Fossett

Plane Carrying Aviation Adventurer Steve Fossett Missing
Fox News - Wednesday, September 05, 2007

Rescue crews on Wednesday were to resume their search for the plane of aviation adventurer Steve Fossett, who disappeared after takeoff from a private airstrip in Nevada.

Fossett, 63, the first person to fly solo around the world in a hot-air balloon, last was seen on Monday in a single engine plane heading south of Smith Valley, Nev., Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Western-Pacific region of the Federal Aviation Administration, told FOXNews.com.

Fossett departed at 8:45 a.m. Monday from the Flying M Ranch in Yerington, Nev., but did not file a flight plan so it is unknown where he was going.

Photo Associated Press March 3, 2005: Steve Fossett and Sir Richard Branson, left to right, celebrate after Fossett landed the Virgin Atlantic Global Flyer at Salina Municipal Airport in his solo flight around the world without refueling, Kansas.

Originally posted by johnlear at ATS Post ID 3485269

I didn't know Steve but I know the Flying M Ranch very well and flew out of there many times. I was Baron Hiltons personal pilot (Barron owns the Flying M) for about 3 years.

Here is a map that shows the Flying M Ranch (blue rectangle of left) in relation to the Navy Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne. The Flying M Ranch is 18 miles due west of NUWC on the East Walker River.

I do not believe that NUWC could have had anything to do with Steve's disappearance its just on the same map I am using to show where the Flying M Ranch is located.

This Ranch is very close the the Naval Underwater Warfare Center in Hawthorne Nevada (We will do another thread on that later)

More here

John is also familiar with the "Flying M Ranch" from his earlier days as private pilot for Barron Hilton... As a matter of fact John was there at the Ranch for those meetings about the Luna Hilton (Luna is the official name of the Base on Farside built by 1962 by the US Army (More on this later) Hence the name "Luna Hilton" and "Luna Corp" that we saw earlier

The biggest thing in following trails is to look for the...


Hotels in Space

1967 AAS Conference Proceedings
American Astronautical Society, AAS 67-126

HOTELS IN SPACE (Based on Preprint AAS 67-126)
Barron Hilton (President, Hilton Hotels Corporation)

Relevant Excerpt... Barron Hilton talks about Don Douglas Jr.

"Perhaps we'd better learn to walk before we run, so let's begin with the Orbiter Hilton. My friend Don Douglas, Jr., has been telling me about his company's concept of a space laboratory which would be 14 stories high and could comfortably accommodate up to 24 people. Personnel would arrive in a six man ferry craft.

As developed and expanded why couldn't this be the first orbiter Hilton? Perhaps the two organizations - Hilton and Douglas - could get together on a deal. Mr. Douglas could provide the orbiter hotels and we would franchise the Hilton name and know how to set up a chain of Hilton Douglas orbiter hotels.

These might be like Hilton Inns for short trips in space. They could accommodate brief stop-overs on a continuing journey to the moon or other planets. I should advise you - and I guess I'd better tell Mr. Douglas too - that an Orbiter Hilton is already in existence. It's known as "Hilton Space Station Number Five" and you'll be seeing it next fall in a motion picture called "2001 - A Space Odyssey". So I guess it behooves Mr. Douglas and me to get busy with our orbiters before somebody beats us to it." - Barron Hilton 1967 - AAS 67-126

Many people have asked "How does John know so much... Well above you see the document dated 1967 where Barron Hilton talks about Don Douglas Jr. and their plans for the Lunar Hilton back in 1967..

Barron Hilton has encouraged the sport of gliding through the Barron Hilton Cup since 1981. Pilots who have completed the longest triangular flights are invited from around the world, with their guests, by Barron Hilton for a week long soaring camp at the Flying-M-Ranch in Nevada. The objective is for the best pilots to get to know each other and to fly with some of the other best soaring pilots. - Wikipedia

John sent me this letter today (Sun Sept. 16, 2007) as I was finishing this page..

This was taken on April 9, 1966. I had flown Barron Hilton up
to see Donald Douglas, Jr.. I was flying number 100 Learjet
N 427 LJ.


John Lear at the Flying M Ranch 1966

John Lear at the Flying M Ranch 1966

Photo Associated Press
March 3, 2005: Steve Fossett and Sir Richard Branson, left to right,
celebrate after Fossett landed the Virgin Atlantic Global Flyer at Salina
Municipal Airport in his solo flight around the world without refueling, Kansas.

Rescue crews on Wednesday were to resume their search for the plane of aviation adventurer Steve Fossett, who disappeared after takeoff from a private airstrip in Nevada.

Fossett, 63, the first person to fly solo around the world in a hot air balloon, last was seen on Monday in a single engine plane heading south of Smith Valley, Nev., Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Western Pacific region of the Federal Aviation Administration, told FOXNews.com.

Fossett departed at 8:45 a.m. Monday from the Flying M Ranch in Yerington, Nev., but did not file a flight plan so it is unknown where he was going. STORY FOX NEWS
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The Amroc - SpaceDev Connection

AMROC (American Rocket) became important to our research because they were about to manufacture a new Cargo Transport rocket launch system called the AQUILLA... why this is important will be dealt with later in a new thread because of where it leads... and will shock many people...

What is important here is the connection to our story and the key players in this arena. The AQUILLA is part of the 'hidden' space program and as such will be harder to track (but not impossible )

So for now remember the name... we will come back to it soon...

Launch of Aquila-Amroc test vehicle

"The NSS mourns the death of a valued and visionary member of the Board of Directors, George A. Koopman, president and co-founder of the American Rocket Company. Mr. Koopman died Wednesday of injuries sustained in an automobile accident. He was forty-four years old.

AMROC officials affirmed that preparations for the company's first space launch, scheduled for August 14, 1989, will continue as planned. James Bennett, AMROC's vp for External Affairs, said "This represents an enormous loss to AMROC. Koopman was a true space pioneer, not only by virtue of his key role in founding and sustaining AMROC, but also his long support of and participation in organizations such as the National Space Society. The
realization of George Koopman's dream of creating affordable access to space will be his memorial."

Koopman's family has requested that in lieu of flowers, contributions to one of several charitable organizations be made. NSS has been selected and will set up a trust fund in his name to continue the visionary goals he pioneered. Contributions will be excepted by the NSS to the George A. Koopman Memorial Fund.

This has been the National Space Society's Space Hotline updated SpaceDay, July 20th, 1989."


The Proof Of The Pudding: SET-1

"The date for the first launch of Amroc's test vehicle, the Single Engine Test-1 (SET-1) slipped from July to August, 1989. In July, traveling to the test site, George Koopman was involved in a single-car accident along an isolated stretch of highway and was killed. He was 44 years old. The launch of SET-1 was scheduled for weeks hence on August 14.

In the words of friend, and Amroc partner and VP of External Affairs James Bennett, This represents an enormous loss to AMROC. Koopman as a true space pioneer, not only by virtue of his key role in founding and sustaining AMROC, but also his long support of and participation in organizations such as the National Space Society. The realization of George Koopman's dream of creating affordable access to space will be his memorial."

SOURCE: Space Aquarium

"George Koopman, one of the cofounders of the American Rocket Co., and the president and chief executive officer of Amroc since its creation, died July 19, 1989, of injuries sustained in an automobile accident. He was 44. Mr. Koopman was an example of one of those people who have literally built America - the entrepreneur. It was Mr. Koopman's dream, and the dream of his fellow American Rocket Co. cofounders and financial backers, to found a company that would create affordable access to space.


In August 1998 SpaceDev, the world's first commercial space exploration company, acquired exclusive rights to intellectual property including the three patents originally issued to American Rocket Company (Amroc) for their hybrid rocket motor technology. In addition, SpaceDev acquired exclusive possession of and access to a large quantity of Amroc engineering documents, plans, designs, test results, manufacturing data, and other materials related to the rocket motors and Amroc launch vehicles." - SOURCE: Global Security.org

So what we have here is an unexplained explosion killing people from SpaceShip One, an unexplained disappearance of Steve Fossett from Flying M Ranch who was about to be Virgin Galactic's pilot and the death of the manufacturer of the Aquila Cargo ship... with the company being taken over by SpaceDev....

Anyone notice a pattern? And John Lear mixed right up in the middle of it all...

Now just WAIT till I show you who REALLY is building the AQUILA Cargo Transport

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Progress Automated Cargo Vessels

So many people have fallen for the "Russia is our Enemy" and "Russia is so far behind in the Space Program" lines fed by our government for God only knows what reason... but nothing could be further from the truth...

Seems while NASA is trying to control the Space Program, everyone else is going to Russia to get access to space. How much longer are Americans going to stand for this?

Credit: ESA

Hello... Welcome to our presentation on the Progress Cargo Vessels from Russia... You have all looked out the window and seen the vessels currently docked at any time during your visit... Its very busy up here as you can see...

In the first slide [above] provided by the European Space Agency we see three vehicles. On the left side of this view, attached to Zvezda, is the Progress spacecraft and on the right side, attached to the Nadir docking port of Zarya, the Soyuz TMA-4 with which André and the Expedition 9 crew arrived at the Station and which now will remain there until the next ISS mission in October 2004. European Space Agency Astronaut André Kuipers launched with Expedition 9 on the Soyuz TMA-4 spacecraft and returned with Expedition 8 on Soyuz TMA-3. ESA does a lot of business with our Russian friends

Mission: Expedition 9/Soyuz 8
Vehicle: Soyuz TMA-4
Launch Pad: Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan
EVAs: 4
Launch: April 18, 2004, 10:19 p.m. CDT
Docking: April 21, 2004, 12:01 a.m. CDT
Undocking: Oct. 23, 2004, 4:08 p.m. CDT
Landing: Oct. 23, 2004, 7:36 p.m. CDT

Expedition 9 Crew - NASA

Cooperation with Russia
Crew portrait Soyuz flight 8S. Left to right NASA astronaut Michael Fincke, Russian cosmonaut and Soyuz commander Gennadi Padalka, Dutch ESA astronaut André Kuipers. (March 2004)

ESA Special Report: ESA Permanent Mission in Russia

29 January 2004

Preparing for the arrival of the first European Automated Transfer Vehicle.

Europe's scientific utilisation of the International Space Station (ISS) took an important step forward with the launch of an unmanned Russian Progress cargo spacecraft today at 12:58 Central European Time (16:58 local time) from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. The Progress supply vehicle will take two days to reach the International Space Station, carrying experiment hardware for the Delta mission to be carried out by ESA's Dutch astronaut André Kuipers in April, Matroshka, a European experiment facility for measuring radiation levels to which astronauts are exposed in space, and hardware to allow the European Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) to dock with the Station.

Launched by a Soyuz rocket on mission 13P, the Progress spacecraft with the serial number M1-11 is due to dock with the International Space Station on 31 January at 14:19 Central European Time. The Progress-type spacecraft are currently serving as supply vehicles for the International Space Station and are also uploading European hardware and equipment in advance of European missions to be carried out on the International Space Station.

2-2004: Successful Progress launch paves the way for further scientific utilisation of the ISS by Europe

Space Station to Get Japanese Take-Out

Japanese space food will soon be available on the International Space Station (ISS). The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) has certified 29 Japanese food products for use in space.

Astronauts and cosmonauts will soon enjoy such Japanese take-out standards as ramen, curry, onigiri (rice balls) and green tea (see photo). What took them so long? - Space.com

Credit: Zvezda

Our next Slide shows the Progress M-46 under going last minute inspections before being delivered to the launch site...

A Soyuz U successfully launched Progress M-46 from Baikonur Cosmodrome, pad LC1/5, at 0536:30 UTC on June 26, 2002. The cargo spacecraft is carrying 2.5 metric tons of supplies, including propellant, oxygen, water, food, medicines and packages, to the International Space Station (ISS) for the fifth expedition crew.

Russian flight controllers plan to use the cargo spacecraft to perform tests on the KURS automated rendezvous system. The test adds an extra day to the timeline, so instead of the usual two day transit from launch to docking, the trip will take 3 days. - Soyuz Launches Progress Cargo Flight to ISS

Credit: Zvezda

The Progress M-46 launched by a Soyuz U from the Baikonur Cosmodrome pad LC/15 on 26 June 2002 at 05:36:30 (UTC). Our services up here in freight handling require a large support system back in Russia to fill the requirements. On top of the regular scheduled Progress flights many private companies are now using the Progress Class automated cargo vessels, most notably CSI with their LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System [HERE] and their CSI Lunar Express [HERE]. Also Bigelow Aerospace contracted a Russian Progress for his Sundancer Space Hotel

Sundancer Bigelow Aerospace

So to support such a ambitious cargo transport system you can see we would require a factory assembly line to keep up with the demand. Many people in the United States have been told, and still believe to this day that Russia is poor and lacking funds for a huge Space Program, citing the tourist dollars and advertising money they collect as the way they fund their program. We find this amusing up here, because all people really have to do is open their eyes and look. The information is every where for those willing to find it...

Here is a few slides from the factory. The first is showing the completed vehicles on the rail bed ready for shipping. You can see two on this line at the moment...

Credit: Zvezda

And in this slide you can see a portion of the production lines with the spacecraft in various stages of completion. A lot about this plant is still top secret and we cannot show you everything, but this image should remove all doubt that the Russians are serious contenders and do indeed have the ability to supply our needs with unmanned reliable robotic cargo transports..

Credit: Zvezda
This concludes this short presentation. There will be a revised version available in a few weeks. Also for those interested in the Military aspects of our 'work' up here we will feature a presentation of the "Black Spacecraft" That presentation is only available, however to those with appropriate clearance...

Thank you for your time and interest in the International Space Supercenter's operations and logistics. We hope your journey outbound or Earthward will be a safe one. While you are awaiting your transport, remember we have lots of fresh fruit and vegetables in the commissary....

Credit: NASA

In closing we will leave you with one question...

Just where is all this food and cargo going? There are only a handfull of people up there and very limited space. Just what do they do all the time they are up there?

This will continue... we are currently tracking cargo shipments, logistics, mining operations and military missions...

Stay tuned.....
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NASA Policies

"However, long standing regulations administered by the U.S. Office of Government Ethics prohibit all federal employees -- including NASA astronauts -- from appearing in commercial advertisements or endorsing commercial products, Rothenberg wrote. That regulation and other related policies, meanwhile, are under review by both NASA and the Bush administration, which took office in January.

The aim: to conduct "an agency wide evaluation of commercialization activities for the purpose of creating an enhanced commercialization strategy for the agency," Rothenberg wrote. "Until that review is completed," he added, "our current policies necessarily must remain in place." - Source

"NASA recently rebuffed the tiny Internet company, Beefjerky.com, when it submitted a request to send a small package of Final Frontier Beef Jerky up to the station aboard a visiting U.S. shuttle in April.

NASA declined, but as luck would have it the nephew of one of the U.S. astronauts now on the station ordered some Final Frontier Beef Jerky from the company. He liked it and recommended it to the astronaut's spouse, who included some of the jerky in a family care package that was shipped up to the station on a Russian Progress space freighter that arrived at the outpost May 22." - Source



The following is a lead in to the Mining Operations on the Moon Thread that we will add as time allows...

For those of you who thought the Saturn 5 was a dead duck... Guess Again. As you can see in the above Prospectus CSI has incorporated plans to consider the Saturn 5 as a viable launch vehicle...

Also mentioned in this report is the Delta IV and Sea Launch. These two link back to our other upcoming works that will be covered in the Mining and Military sections of our presentation.

CSI is not the only private company planning to use the Saturn 5 launch vehicle...

Former Apollo 17 Astronaut, US Senator and Geologist H H Schmitt (Remember the USGS Maps?) owns a company called Interlune Intermars Initiative Inc.

Launch Costs (see Schmitt, 1994)

*The longest financial pole in a large tent full of long poles.
o Professor Thompson has shown that the major factor in the cost of large space projects is launch cost.
o With respect to lunar 3He, $1000-2000 appears to be about the limit and still have an attractive rate of return for investors
o The potential market in space for lunar volatile by-products has not yet been factored into this analysis
* Apollo "capital" costs related to research, development, manufacturing, and operations were about $64 billion in current dollars, including the spacecraft, facilities, and training.
o Gave a Saturn V launch vehicle that could place a maximum payload of about 43,000 kg on a lunar intercept trajectory as well as about two weeks of space operations related to that payload.
o At the end of the Apollo Program, the cost of each additional lunar mission was about $3 billion, if one includes about $500 million as the cost of capital, or
o Thus, the cost/kg for the Saturn V would be about $70,000. + In consideration of pure launch costs/kg, and given that the above numbers include spacecraft, operations, and training costs that would be allocated elsewhere, these Apollo numbers define the maximum cost envelope for any future return to the Moon.
* However, it can be reasonably assumed that future launch costs, based on the engineering concepts of the Saturn V, would be significantly lower.

"Pure" Management Components for a 3He Enterprise

This again will lead us the the AQUILA Cargo Transfer - Liquid Transport Version

Now this all connects us with our presentation on LUNAR MINING OPERATION. We present this here as a direct connection between the Commercial aspect of Space Operations that we have shown in the shopping mall presentation and gives us a perfect lead in to the Mining Section. The Military Section will follow after.

Hope you have enjoyed the presentation and have learned something...

Open your eyes... there is more going on 'out there' than NASA
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September 4, 2001

MirCorp Reaches Agreement for Development of the World's First Private Space Station; New Commercial Orbital Facility to Accommodate Up to Three Visitors for 20-day Stays


The MirCorp orbital facility, currently named Mini Station 1, will accommodate three visitors for stays of up to 20 days at a time. It is to have a lifetime of more than 15 years, and will be serviced by both Soyuz manned transports and unmanned Progress cargo resupply spacecraft. Startup of commercial operations is expected in 2004.....

Detailed Definition of the MirCorp Station to be Completed in October 2001
The pioneering commercial orbital facility will be developed by Russia, using the country's more than 30 years of manned space station experience. The station will be based on proven technology developed by MirCorp's shareholder, RSC Energia, and its subcontractors.....

Under the planned scenario, MirCorp Soyuz manned transportation vehicles will visit both Mini Station 1 and the International Space Station. On a typical flight, the Soyuz would go first to Mini Station 1, where it will be docked for the two-week commercial mission. It then would fly to the ISS, where the Soyuz crew will transfer to the older Soyuz already docked to the international station. The crew would return in this Soyuz, leaving a newer spacecraft for the next space transportation cycle.....

SOURCE: Space Frontier
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Hello zorgon, what an absolute magnificent thread you started here, I will look at it all of course but that will take some time for me [as you know].
Accept so far my compliments for this thread and for your excellent research.:up:
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lol @ 'androgynous periperal attachment system'

...and dextre better not be getting ideas.....
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well...if you had read the entirety of Zorgon's posting you would have seen that it isn't a mall. but there are tons of fruit and veggies delivered there.
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OK I can understand space tourism, that sounds cool..

but what is the point to build a shopping mall in space??? What could you possibly purchase there? Things that were made on earth!!!! Or can you buy stuff made by Aliens?

What a bloody waste of tax payer's money!!!

I can't stand it. Earth to Patti! Earth calling Patti!

Look Patti, there are hundreds and hundreds of astronauts manning at least 8 and possibly more orbiting weapons and manufacturing space platforms. They have to shop somewhere...you know, candy bars, gum, rolaids, a big gulp, razors, shaving cream, sanitary pads. Yes, things that were made on earth. Get it? No, there is no stuff made by aliens. Thats fantasy.
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wow...now that is taking a trip, instead of a journey

only 200,000-300,000 is that all

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I would NEVER take a trip to space---- NEVER NEVER NEVER

Not even if the ticket for travel was $10. !

(My soul was there once--- 'Where i was' WAS NOT FUN !)

My dream here on Earth (the place i was born to be on...) is to literally ship ALL THOSE INSANE ILLUMINATIS out to space where they belong--- and never to have them return!

Then the Earth WOULD BE RID OF 'THEM'...... No worry over hustling to

make a 'safe life' here thereafter......

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but what is the point to build a shopping mall in space??? What could you possibly purchase there? Things that were made on earth!!!! Or can you buy stuff made by Aliens?
Well it appears that there are special products made 'out there' I will cover those shortly. However most of those 'products' are of a military and classified nature and I will be devoting a separate category to the OTHER space program shortly.... so stay tuned there are some amazing things to come...

But first seems I have to edit both these threads as I was unaware of the MINTY skin... that makes the colored text hard to see... so much for creativity
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(My soul was there once--- 'Where i was' WAS NOT FUN !)
Care to elaborate on this? I am collecting data for another thread that could use your input. Just drop me a PM
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But first seems I have to edit both these threads as I was unaware of the MINTY skin... that makes the colored text hard to see... so much for creativity
Something else about the "Minty" skin....you cannot access the "User CP" function.

In this BBS system there is a thing called "Greenies" and "Reddies", or "Reputation" points. When you click on the little justice scales icon on a post, it allows you to share a comment on that post as a side bar with the author. And it gives them "reputation" (like "starring" a post at ATS).

The only way to read the comments left after "repping" a post is to access the "User CP". That is only available in the blue skin for some reason.
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I can 'see' a Mall In Space.
The Power Elite have 'needs' too.

This is a good thread. It even 'looks' better here then on OMF for some reason.

I would not edit all of your posts.
Just put up a disclaimer to let people know they need the BLUE Skin in order to see it well.
They can change back afterward...

EDIT: Typ0s [sigh]
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yes, minty vs. electric

i like electric !!!

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