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Old 07-26-2009, 10:00 PM   #26
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No problem jaby... gets a little crazy in here at times.


I'm VERY pleased that Greer is now going to do a Camelot Interview.

This is the kind of schism we could do without.

The Disclosure Project and Project Camelot are two major
influences for me...leading onto other stuff as well.

For a schism to form between the two would be a dream-move
for the disinformation specialists.

THAT'S why I'm trying to understand what's going on.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:01 PM   #27
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I'm VERY pleased that Greer is now going to do a Camelot Interview.

This is the kind of schism we could do without.

The Disclosure Project and Project Camelot are two major
influences for me...leading onto other stuff as well.

For a schism to form between the two would be a dream-move
for the disinformation specialists.

THAT'S why I'm trying to understand what's going on.
He canceled it.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:03 PM   #28
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Let's not forget that Kerry and Bill requested an interview with Dr. Greer and he refused. This could have been an opportunity to clear up potential mis-communications.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/index.html

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• Events are indeed moving and changing fast. We have just recorded our Futuretalk with Bob Dean, Alfred Webre, and Henry Deacon (real name Arthur)... and are about to begin an on-camera interview with Steven Greer which we have just arranged.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:06 PM   #29
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He canceled it.
Where does it say that?
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:06 PM   #30
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Tramik,
I agree that something is very wrong here. If this is true, and he is stating things that are against his/witness testimony...

Here are a few ideas:
A: Bill and Kerry's site has been compromised and someone else is writing for them.
B: Steven Greer has been compromised.
C: He has changed his story willingly due to some type of "Disclosure Deal"
D: He was always a Gov. player and was just waiting for his moment.
E: His statements have been misunderstood completely, and he will go back at some later date and clarify.
F: It really wasn't Greer at all speaking.
G: Greer really believes that all ET's are benevolent and that there have never been dealings with them.
H. This has been a huge and very successful image bashing campaign.

Well, that's all I have. I guess we will all find out.

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Old 07-26-2009, 10:12 PM   #31
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Where does it say that?
It's an updated post on the 25th - stating that he had canceled the interview. They should clarify this on the website.

Worm makes a good point - has their website been compromised? Project Camelot, we really need some info here. Maybe make a quick video and upload giving us an update? Please?
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:21 PM   #32
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It's an updated post on the 25th - stating that he had canceled the interview. They should clarify this on the website.

Worm makes a good point - has their website been compromised? Project Camelot, we really need some info here. Maybe make a quick video and upload giving us an update? Please?
http://www.projectcamelot.org/index.html

No...it says...July 25th..
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As a final statement, we were disappointed to learn that our interview request was declined by him: it would have been an interesting and valuable conversation.

Declined not cancelled. On the 25th.


But on the 26th...


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and are about to begin an on-camera interview with Steven Greer which we have just arranged.

So...have I missed something? Does it say that it's cancelled anywhere?
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:26 PM   #33
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Tramik,
I agree that something is very wrong here. If this is true, and he is stating things that are against his/witness testimony...

Here are a few ideas:
A: Bill and Kerry's site has been compromised and someone else is writing for them.
B: Steven Greer has been compromised.
C: He has changed his story willingly due to some type of "Disclosure Deal"
D: He was always a Gov. player and was just waiting for his moment.
E: His statements have been misunderstood completely, and he will go back at some later date and clarify.
F: It really wasn't Greer at all speaking.
G: Greer really believes that all ET's are benevolent and that there have never been dealings with them.
H. This has been a huge and very successful image bashing campaign.

Well, that's all I have. I guess we will all find out.

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Well Said...you've just about covered it.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:26 PM   #34
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no they are meeting today in fact Its probably over now
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:27 PM   #35
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What ever is going on, the answers could be stranger than the questions.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:30 PM   #36
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Tramik,
I agree that something is very wrong here. If this is true, and he is stating things that are against his/witness testimony...

Here are a few ideas:
A: Bill and Kerry's site has been compromised and someone else is writing for them.
B: Steven Greer has been compromised.
C: He has changed his story willingly due to some type of "Disclosure Deal"
D: He was always a Gov. player and was just waiting for his moment.
E: His statements have been misunderstood completely, and he will go back at some later date and clarify.
F: It really wasn't Greer at all speaking.
G: Greer really believes that all ET's are benevolent and that there have never been dealings with them.
H. This has been a huge and very successful image bashing campaign.

Well, that's all I have. I guess we will all find out.

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F is exactly what I was thinking. They have had voice mimicking technology for a while now. If the threats are recorded from a phone call, its not neccessarily proof.

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Old 07-26-2009, 10:41 PM   #37
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I apologize. I misunderstood the order of events. Apparently Dr. Greer originally declined to be interviewed, then changed his mind?

I'd better shut up before I add more confusion.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:42 PM   #38
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From the Camelot web site:

26 July 2009

• Events are indeed moving and changing fast. We have just recorded our Futuretalk with Bob Dean, Alfred Webre, and Henry Deacon (real name Arthur)... and are about to begin an on-camera interview with Steven Greer which we have just arranged.

That is the lastest info Spiralmind.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:43 PM   #39
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From the Camelot web site:

26 July 2009

• Events are indeed moving and changing fast. We have just recorded our Futuretalk with Bob Dean, Alfred Webre, and Henry Deacon (real name Arthur)... and are about to begin an on-camera interview with Steven Greer which we have just arranged.

That is the lastest info Spiralmind.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:55 PM   #40
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F is exactly what I was thinking. They have had voice mimicking technology for a while now. If the threats are recorded from a phone call, its not neccessarily proof.
That's right....but if we look at what Bill says....

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We do not know the truth of these allegations but I (Bill) recorded two of them on dictaphone and I can confirm that they were both frightened and extremely angry and upset. The conference organizers, perhaps understandably, did not want the close of the conference to be disrupted and so they were not allowed to speak.
He is saying that he recorded two of them on dictaphone...
and they were 'frightened and extremely angry and upset'...

This must refer to the people and NOT the ALLEGED death threats..
death threats don't get upset...

And a recorded death threat would be a police matter....plain and
simple.

So it looks like it will be 'their' word against Greer's word.

Hopefully all will be revealed at a not-too-later-date.

All this is a mine field...and as I said before a disinformation
specialist's dream. To create a schism between The Disclosure
Project and Project Camelot.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:05 PM   #41
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:08 PM   #42
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From the Camelot website.
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"On Dr Steven Greer:

We listened to his presentation today and learned that he is stating to the world that the secret government has no ongoing dealings with any ET races -- the worst kind of disinfo. He is also telling people that ALL ETs and interdimensionals are positively oriented -- in other words STO (service-to-others) -- and this is also false. Many are friendly... but some are hostile.
I'd like to make an interjection that this is all hearsay. Meaning, it is not really verifiable from any source. Not what Bill and Kerry are saying but what Greer is saying.

I have actually spoken with Dr. Greer and am friends with one of his previous body guards. I would not be surprised if he is being manipulated in one form or another, but we can only speculate.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:20 PM   #43
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http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1874942

Greer in Barcelona

Check it out.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:32 PM   #44
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G: Greer really believes that all ET's are benevolent and that there have never been dealings with them.

There's more than 1 issue here, but as far as I know, Dr. Greer has never had any bad experience with ETs, and he has always believed that all ETs were benevolent. This is a remark I've heard him make in his presentations, so this was always a point of difference from other sources.

What is new is the statement that the government was not involved with ETs and the statement by others of the threat with the free energy. This, we can wait for his interview.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:39 PM   #45
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G: Greer really believes that all ET's are benevolent and that there have never been dealings with them.

There's more than 1 issue here, but as far as I know, Dr. Greer has never had any bad experience with ETs, and he has always believed that all ETs were benevolent. This is a remark I've heard him make in his presentations, so this was always a point of difference from other sources.

What is new is the statement that the government was not involved with ETs and the statement by others of the threat with the free energy. This, we can wait for his interview.
On a Coast to Coast interview he describes his experiences with ETs in both a dream-state and an ability to call upon UFO's. It's on youtube somewhere, not sure if you'd classify that as an experience, I would if it were true.

As for the statement about the gov not being involved with ETs, and that they're all benevolent, is just sheer nonsense (assuming of course, he did say that).

I'm very curious as to what is going on. Things are definitely in motion right now.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:42 PM   #46
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"Regarding the incident at the end of the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit, we have investigated it to the degree possible. We interviewed the inventors who felt they were threatened, we talked to observers of the events, and we met with Dr. Steven Greer and his bodyguards and assistants.

We understand that what happened was largely due to a lack of understanding of the language (for the inventors, English is a second language) and something said during the Speaker's Dinner by Steven Greer himself in response to a request by an inventor to discuss his invention. When asked, Dr Greer said he replied [something like]: "If I told you, I would have to kill you", which is a well known joke in the US but was taken as a serious threat by one of the inventors.

Two other inventors claimed that when they approached Greer - in entirely separate incidents - he admonished them that unless they worked with him it was unlikely that they would get anywhere with their device. This they took as a threat rather than as a realistic statement from someone who has spent years working to break through the secrecy surrounding Free Energy.

These three inventors approached Greer independently during the conference. When the person who approached him at dinner heard the American "I'd have to kill you" joke, shaken and shocked, he shared his experience with his friends. The others also compared their interactions with Greer and, now united in their upset, they all went to enlist the assistance of a well known and respected radical journalist who is known in Spain as Rafa.

Rafa took their accusations seriously, and together they became determined to go on stage and tell the conference what had happened and ask Greer to confirm what he had said. The group were not given a chance to speak on stage, and so their questions to Greer were never answered.

One could easily see how fear might be motivating the confused perceptions of many of those involved. However, after asking Dr Greer to account for what had happened it is clear that he made no overt threats of any kind.

However, we can sympathize with the inventors who made these claims. We understand that they well may have perceived Greer (who is knowledgeable, self-assured, and often very verbally assertive) as threatening in a non-verbal way which when combined with the very sensitive subject of Free Energy, which all are very passionate about, fueled this misunderstanding at a cultural level.

It's important to state that we do not know enough about Dr Greer and his business dealings concerning Free Energy to conclude what else may be going on behind the scenes to create this misunderstanding on many levels... not just the physical reality."
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That addresses the "death threats". I stayed away from that topic for pretty much that same reason.

However, the main concern remains. Did Project Camelot address Greer about this disinformation? If not, why? If so, then...? Hopefully this interview explains more, assuming it's on display.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:55 PM   #48
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Thanks wormhole for the link. I guess everything is straightened now per the Camelot site. Thanks for the link. I'm listening to it now and I am learning a lot.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:05 AM   #49
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I just finished the video. All very typical Greer. Nothing to wag a finger at. I am very interested in hearing his views after being asked pointedly if he believes all Et's are friendly. This was not covered in the video. I will look to see if there was any more info on another vid of the organized debate perhaps.

The clarification on the cultural misunderstanding resonates. At the end of the video Greer was very enthusiastic with respect to working with Spain in terms of what they had to put on the table regarding free energy, there was no animosity what so ever. He remains... Dr. Steven Greer.

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Here is the "debate" link
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1868431

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Old 07-27-2009, 12:18 AM   #50
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Greer really believes that all ET's are benevolent
I think Dr Greer's viewpoint on this is that:

any ET race advanced technologically enough to be using interstellar space travel would have to be peaceful or else they would have destroyed themselves (or been destroyed) long ago.

Not saying this is my viewpoint, but I'm fairly certain I have heard Greer state this opinion.


What is really worrying is that Kerry has launched defamatory attacks on Greer on the Camelot site without clarifying anything with Greer.

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We do not agree with Greer's position and consider this dangerous and insidious.
No wonder Dr Greer has now decided to be interviewed to clear things up when facing this sort of public 'attack' from what should be a staunch ally.

I'm not saying she is right or wrong, but this attack is quite unprofessional.

Dr Greer doesn't have to explain himself to anybody, he has been on the front lines doing and amazing job long before Project Camelot ever existed.

I can imagine the 'public disclosure' will NEVER happen if we focus on the negative ETs - No government is ever going to admit to their constituents that there are 'bad guys' visiting earth with advanced technology and there's nothing we can do about it. That would cause public chaos and fear and would be a huge blow to national security.

Disclosure needs to be positive for it to work at all. See what I mean?

Maybe Greer knows this and is being smart by focusing on the (overwhelming majority of ) good 'Angelic' visitors exclusively.

This is an enormous 'can of worms' but we all need to stick together to pull this off, in-fighting and name calling is exactly what the 'interior government controllers' want... 'divide and conquer'.

Lets wait and see what the Greer-Camelot interview reveals.. should be a great discussion!

On a side note:
How interesting that Camelot's number 1 whistleblowers real name turns out to be 'Arthur'...

King Arthur - Camelot.. get it?
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