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Old 12-28-2009, 01:23 AM   #226
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Excellent post Agape!

Yes one would be extremely hard pressed to find any beings in the entire universe more malevolent, destructive, unethical and sadistic than many of the humans running around on this planet.
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Old 12-28-2009, 03:58 AM   #227
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An interesting article by Philip Coppens
http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_overlords.html
Thank you RedeZra for this link. It is getting more spicy and I have more fun.
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:24 PM   #228
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Thought you might get a kick out of this cartoon depicting the disagreement between Kerry/Bill and Steven Greer
I found this little gem on KROCKS Radio One.
http://e4ltv.com/songinfo.html?buste...51439852435718
where they are rebroadcasting the now infamous interview by Project Camelot of Steven Greer in 2009.
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:23 PM   #229
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I have attended one of Steven Greer's CSETI Training (costs almost $1K now).

A lot of people work for/with Steven. Some play the part as his friends/team who has been with him throughout the years "witnessing" and "collaborating" on his stories. Others act as students who have "visions"/"dreams" or who "saw" UFOs and ETs. These people tend to be doctors, nurses or people with trustworthy professions to make them more credible.

Steven claims that he has achieved cosmic consciousness and have supernatural powers, but he is flesh and bone as normal as anyone can be in person. I have to say that he can really act and he tells very compelling made-up stories.

Steven's technique of meditation is very odd. He teaches students to imagine things rather than to blank out their mind during meditation. His meditation CD features him talking about himself seeing the stars and planets and how they sing to him in a symphony.

Many good people believe this act.

He also wants people to invest and volunteer in his free energy organization.
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:40 PM   #230
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I have attended one of Steven Greer's CSETI Training (costs almost $1K now).

A lot of people work for/with Steven. Some play the part as his friends/team who has been with him throughout the years "witnessing" and "collaborating" on his stories. Others act as students who have "visions"/"dreams" or who "saw" UFOs and ETs. These people tend to be doctors, nurses or people with trustworthy professions to make them more credible.

Steven claims that he has achieved cosmic consciousness and have supernatural powers ...
Thank you for posting. I have read similar reports from others attending Greer's training. Others have commented on the restrictions placed on them about what they could say about the Training afterward. Thankfully, not everyone is conforming to it.

Greer is a modern day "contactee" carrying on the tradition of philosophical messages from the stars. Instead of "Space Brothers" it is inter-dimensional beings who are chased and slandered by the government but who put on light shows for Greer.

One fellow who was talking about Greer's 'sessions' said the UFOs were invisible to everyone but Greer during his training. Did you see anything?
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:29 PM   #231
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One fellow who was talking about Greer's 'sessions' said the UFOs were invisible to everyone but Greer during his training. Did you see anything?
No, I did not see anything. We went on several "field trips" to contact ETs. Steven said that we were inside a dematerialized spacecraft. He and another "student" pretended to "see" dematerialized ETs a couple times. Like the other poster said, we sat on lawn chairs, straining our necks looking for UFOs to appear any moment above us.

Sadly, quite a few good, gullible people believe this act. There was one guy who spend his vacation every year at a CSETI training. Wouldn't surprise me if some people donated their life savings to Steven's "free energy organization".

Obviously, some posters here work for/with Steven.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:13 AM   #232
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Game up now for the charlatans! There are just too many and at this point I am not trusting any of them.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:12 AM   #233
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My experience at a week long CSETI workshop was astounding. I saw what I saw and there was no pretending to it. Some of what I saw at that workshop was captured on video and is available on a DVD accompanying Greer's latest book. Since then, I've established an ongoing sequence of interactions with an intelligence with out of this world capabilities. I'm not working with or for Greer on this. My family has seen some of these phenomena with me. I've posted some details before and won't repeat them here.

Lisa, I think it's really unfortunate when someone spends that much time and money and has a bad experience. I know I would be upset about it, and I'd be blasting Greer right along with you. However, as far as I'm concerned, CSETI is doing what it claims to do - helping people make contact. It has been a profound experience for me and I feel very fortunate to have ongoing contact.
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Old 02-09-2010, 07:17 AM   #234
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I have read some of Greer's books, listened to his radio shows on World Puja Network where he talks about his "Contact field trips", saw the interview with Bill and Kerry, and have been following the Disclosure Project for some time.
It's really hard to tell what is going on with this man. He has done a lot to serve the Disclosure Movement, but it has put him in danger, as when he was attacked with some kind of Black Ops technology that gave him and his associate, Sherry Adamiak, cancer (from which she died, but he recovered).
He is rubbing elbows with people in high places in government, which can't be pleasant or even safe, especially considering he is a whistleblower.
I think his recent behavior is probably a good indicator of the stress he has been under.
Perhaps the most shocking development yet has to do the information that is in Bill Ryan's thread here on the Project Avalon forum about the gay, pornographic webpage Greer allegedly posted on the Net with photos of himself in the nude, with descriptions of sex acts he enjoys engaging in with other gays. As Bill rightly pointed out, everyone's sexual preferences are their own business, but if Greer really did create this webpage himself (ie if it wasn't an underhanded attack on him to discredit him) then it certainly wasn't a wise move on his part, and must have caused his wife and child some distress as well, if they know about it. Bill said that Greer's demeanor with other whistleblowers recently has been very cold, and that is certainly disturbing news, and he seemed very defensive in the PC interview, and almost bullying towards Kerry. The recent videos I've seen of him seem to portray a very egotistical person, though on his radio shows on World Puja Network, he still seems warm and sincere.
I think gays should not be "outed" by others, but this is a very complicated situation, and if Greer inadvertantly outed himself, then it wasn't a wise move, and he will have to pay the consequences. Those who have supported him will also pay, unfortunately, as well as the Disclosure Movement, in which he has played such a prominent role.
Hopefully the truth about Greer will be known soon, as he has played an important role in getting the truth out there in the past, and is in a good position to do more valuable work. If he has been "messed with" even more, and/or is cracking up, then I think he deserves our prayers, help and support.
If he's really conning people, he's creating a very painful scenario for himself, because secrets of any kind are getting harder and harder to cover up.

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Old 02-09-2010, 07:44 AM   #235
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You mean the a.lie.ns be.lie.f in general?
or just greers personal sPIn?
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Sadly, quite a few good, gullible people believe this act.

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Old 02-09-2010, 08:50 AM   #236
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You mean a lie ns in general?
or just greers personal sPIn?
I first heard of Greer through the 2001 Disclosure video. That video and the "Dr" in front of his name made me believe everything written in "Hidden Truth". As a result, I thought that he has a very high state of consciousness and wanted to learn from him. It became obvious upon meeting Steven that he is ordinary like me.

When I realized that some of my fellow students were part of Steven's team, I am taken back by how far people would go, colluding to deceive good innocent people. Besides Steven, I realized that at least one of the Disclosure witnesses told a made-up story. With the Disclosure Project, genuine whistle-blowers are given the empty promise of "protection" to come forward. Furthermore, free-energy (re)inventors are given false hope to approach Steven's team for funding.

As to ETs, I am an ordinary person who has never seen them in person. However, I believe Billy Meier, George Green and Miriam Delicato have tried their best to say what is true.

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Old 02-09-2010, 02:18 PM   #237
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When I realized that some of my fellow students were part of Steven's team, I am taken back by how far people would go, colluding to deceive good innocent people.
This is a common strategy employed by religious con-men around the world. You plant people in the audience or in a class to stimulate the 'rubes'. They come forward to encourage others to come forward and so forth. It is an old game.

Every time you hear Greer speak he drags out the Woolsey meeting where he allegedly briefed the head of the CIA. It is B.S. Read this and Greer's chicanery exposed.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:52 PM   #238
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...It's really hard to tell what is going on with this man. He has done a lot to serve the Disclosure Movement, but it has put him in danger, as when he was attacked with some kind of Black Ops technology that gave him and his associate, Sherry Adamiak, cancer (from which she died, but he recovered).

He is rubbing elbows with people in high places in government, which can't be pleasant or even safe, especially considering he is a whistleblower.
I think his recent behavior is probably a good indicator of the stress he has been under...

...If he has been "messed with" even more, and/or is cracking up, then I think he deserves our prayers, help and support.

If he's really conning people, he's creating a very painful scenario for himself, because secrets of any kind are getting harder and harder to cover up.
Onawah. Your whole post is brilliant. Very sharp and fair analysis, thanks. Not only he is rubbing elbows with poeple in high places in the 'permanent government', but also in the industrial sector with Rockefellers. Can we speculate 'sleeping with the enemy'? I think there has been some drastic trade-off on his part after 2001.

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Onawah. Your whole post is brilliant. Very sharp and fair analysis, thanks. Not only he is rubbing elbows with poeple in high places in the 'permanent government', but also in the industrial sector with Rockefellers. Can we speculate 'sleeping with the enemy'? I think there has been some drastic trade-off on his part after 2001.

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I question just how much of this hobnobbing with the power elite the man is actually doing given his precedent for deceit.
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I know that I am not the only one who has had real, undeniable, positive experiences with ETs at events Greer has hosted since I've met many such people. I think this says more about the commitment of the ETs to gently awaken people to the reality of their existence than anything about Greer. I met many people at Rio Rico who were at such an event for the first time who already had their own UFO experiences, many of which were more impressive than what most of the group was able to see at that gathering. My own experiences have been more dramatic when I've been on my own than with any group, although some rather dramatic things did happen at the first training I attended. No one can guarantee that the ETs will show up at any given time or place, or in what manner they will appear, but for the group outings I've organized the ETs have been more reliable than the humans at showing up. In my limited experience, the intent and attitude of the people present makes a big difference in the extent and manner in which the ETs decide to show their presence.
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I have read some of Greer's books, listened to his radio shows on World Puja Network where he talks about his "Contact field trips", saw the interview with Bill and Kerry, and have been following the Disclosure Project for some time.
It's really hard to tell what is going on with this man. He has done a lot to serve the Disclosure Movement, but it has put him in danger, as when he was attacked with some kind of Black Ops technology that gave him and his associate, Sherry Adamiak, cancer (from which she died, but he recovered).
He is rubbing elbows with people in high places in government, which can't be pleasant or even safe, especially considering he is a whistleblower.
I think his recent behavior is probably a good indicator of the stress he has been under.
Perhaps the most shocking development yet has to do the information that is in Bill Ryan's thread here on the Project Avalon forum about the gay, pornographic webpage Greer allegedly posted on the Net with photos of himself in the nude, with descriptions of sex acts he enjoys engaging in with other gays. As Bill rightly pointed out, everyone's sexual preferences are their own business, but if Greer really did create this webpage himself (ie if it wasn't an underhanded attack on him to discredit him) then it certainly wasn't a wise move on his part, and must have caused his wife and child some distress as well, if they know about it. Bill said that Greer's demeanor with other whistleblowers recently has been very cold, and that is certainly disturbing news, and he seemed very defensive in the PC interview, and almost bullying towards Kerry. The recent videos I've seen of him seem to portray a very egotistical person, though on his radio shows on World Puja Network, he still seems warm and sincere.

I think gays should not be "outed" by others, but this is a very complicated situation, and if Greer inadvertantly outed himself, then it wasn't a wise move, and he will have to pay the consequences. Those who have supported him will also pay, unfortunately, as well as the Disclosure Movement, in which he has played such a prominent role.
Hopefully the truth about Greer will be known soon, as he has played an important role in getting the truth out there in the past, and is in a good position to do more valuable work. If he has been "messed with" even more, and/or is cracking up, then I think he deserves our prayers, help and support.

If he's really conning people, he's creating a very painful scenario for himself, because secrets of any kind are getting harder and harder to cover up.
THIS IS PURE BULLS**IT. ANYONE WHO REALLY KNOWS GREER KNOWS HE IS A VERY SPIRITUAL MAN WITH GREAT INTEGRITY AT MULTIPLE LEVELS. I TALKED TO PAOLO HARRIS ABOUT THIS, WHO IS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF HIS (AND MY RECENT HOUSE GUEST) AND SHE WAS GREATLY OFFENDED THAT THIS TYPE OF SLANDER IS GOING ABOUT. I PERSONALLY THINK ANYONE POSTING THIS TRIPE ON THIS FORUM SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIS OR HERSELF.

Greer has an IQ of 170 and subsequently doesn't suffer fools easily. He is basically a geek with poor people skills and unfortunately it is all to easy for others to misunderstand him. He also has physically levitated which is something that those who have spent years meditating can do. I've personally known others (Buddist monks) who do this as well. Subsequently they resonate at higher levels and can see things the normal, cut-off, unevolved human cannot see. Greer is also a visionary. Just because he sees what others can't doesn't invalidate his experience or discredit him. From my own experience I have had dozens of experiences of seeing when my eyes are close. Basically my consciousness is outside of my body and vision is 360 degrees. These are a combination of out of body experiences and in-body experience where I bilocate on occassion. My consciousness/spirt has also been in other locations/dimensions, while my body was in bed and these were also real places in time and space as well as outside of time and space. Once I discovered myself (total conscious awareness) hovering over the clouds at night watching some atmospheric electrical exchanges which resulted in thunder storms several hours later. My body was not there, but who I know myself to be (spirit or astral body) was.

Pretty much anyone who has spent years in the practice of yoga and meditation develops psi abilities of various types. It's like knowing the phone is going to ring and who is calling or having precog dreams. I also taught remote viewing, psychometry and spoon bending to college students while teaching Transpersonal Psychology at the University level back in the 80s. Humans have an innate ability to transcend the human "ego" condition if they put effort and intention into it. This simply means one is spirit in a human body. As spirit one can experience conscious awareness outside of the body and be anywhere, any dimension. This is often an experience of the Masters who are known to bilocate where people see them at multiple locations. Consciousness also bilocates, trilocates and so on. Think of a sine wave when it crosses another sine wave and all information is transferred from one to the other... this has to do with quantum physics and the truth of the matter is at the spiritual level we are quantum beings. Our abilities at this level of awareness and intention are astounding.

What I think is really, really sad here at Avalon is that it appears that some folks who have done little inner personal work expect great things to happen when attending something like what Greer is doing and leave greatly disappointed. I spent 7 years meditating and practicing/teaching yoga on a daily basis before major transformative experiences occurred. And that is the fast track for most people unless one has good karma and was born with these abilities manifesting at younger ages.

I started these practices when I was 21 and to be perfectly honest my first experience of meditation I thought I might as well be sitting in a closet for all that I got out of it. It took months and months, then years to understand how this opens one up to various psi abilities including being able to see what is going on in other dimensions beyond the 3D experience.

I don't mean to offend anyone here but it really irks me when such nasty judgments are made against Greer who has spent a lifetime in service-to-others at great personal sacrifice (financial and health) to himself. He is totally devoted to his wife and would NEVER subject her or his children to what has been implied by members on this forum.
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I take it as a good sign that those seeking to discredit Mr. Greer are having to go to such great lengths.
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[B]THIS IS PURE BULLS**IT....I don't mean to offend anyone here but it really irks me when such nasty judgments are made against Greer who has spent a lifetime in service-to-others at great personal sacrifice (financial and health) to himself. He is totally devoted to his wife and would NEVER subject her or his children to what has been implied by members on this forum.
You're entire post was very well said and I totally agree, no one has the right to throw stones or to sit back in judgment of anyone. I seriously doubt a man of his intelligence or position is stupid enough to expose themselves in such a manner, and its much easier to believe that he's the target of character assassination.

This is exactly their M.O. when they attempt to discredit or destroy someones reputation, they use sex or drugs to bring someone down. With adobe photoshop and computerized effects you can make anyone say or do just about anything you want and people are gullible enough to believe whatever they see.

Admittedly, there have been times that he didn't seem "right" and I wondered if he wasn't being targeted on a psy-ops level, if they gotten too him in some respect. But I've never gotten the feeling that he was not of good intent or was in a "service to self" mode.
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Even if it is Dr Greer then SO F*****G WHAT!!! It has nothing to do with what he does regarding CSETI/DISCLOSURE PROJECT etc...
I loved reading his book's and watching his presentations on the web. I like his energy, I think he's a cool guy. Wether gay or straight? we all have sex what's the big deal?? I think people need to give the guy a break.
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Personally, I do not care about his private life, its his. What troubles me is his claim saying all ETs are good. I find it dangerous coming from a person well known in the UFO community, especially coming from a person so deeply involved. Why is says it so? Why one of his project is called Orion project?

Opposed to this, from 'Allies of humanity' by Marshall Vian Summers, thanks to Freedive:

Quotes: “This is not a visitation. It is an intervention whose purpose is to gain control of the world and the world’s peoples.”

“… they need human labor and human cooperation to serve their purposes here, to mine the world for its biological resources and to use the world for its strategic importance.”

“Intervention is here to cast persuasion over the world, to gain control of the minds and hearts of people. It is doing this by offering people incredible promises of salvation and free energy, promising humanity peace and equanimity, offering advanced technology in order for humanity to become dependent on these foreign powers. And like the foolish natives of so many tribes before, humanity is acquiescing to these promises. Having lost faith in human leadership and human institutions, many people are now turning to the Intervention for guidance…”

“As resources decline within this world, and as economic and political instability increases, the offerings of the Intervention will become ever more persuasive, yet what it is offering is your own demise—the loss of human freedom, your dependence upon foreign technology and foreign power.”

“You are the native peoples of the world facing intervention. How will you respond? Will you ignore it or deny it?”

“Human sovereignty must be preserved in this world.”

“Intervention is always carried out for self-interest. History has taught you this. Nature teaches you this. Life teaches you this.”

“… to those people whom it will capture for its own purposes, it will present itself as a benign and spiritual force. But in truth it represents an exploitive and dangerous presence.”

“This Intervention represents the most dangerous challenge to humanity’s freedom and self-determination that you have ever faced.”

“Speak out against it. Receive the gift of wisdom from your true allies, who do not seek domination here, who are not intervening in the world for their own purposes.”

“No one is going to come and rescue you, and those that claim to be here to do so will be your greatest danger.”
“… recognize that those who would visit your world are not here because they are fascinated with you or they are trying to uplift you spiritually or they are going to shepherd you into some glorious future.”

“…It is a seduction, and nothing more. It is like giving drugs to a native tribe in the jungle, who then become addicted and enslaved to whoever provides these things.”

“…Do we have any hope against such a presence and a power?” The answer is yes, of course you do…Races cannot come and take another world by force…If races want to gain influence in another world, it must appear that their presence is accepted and welcomed.…If the presence of the Intervention becomes known to enough people, it can no longer function in secrecy and must withdraw. If your mind and heart cannot be turned through persuasion and seduction or intimidation, then the Intervention has no power over you.”

“And never think that foreign governance of this world would be desirable in any way, for you have no idea of the cruelty and the harshness that such governance would bring to the human family.”

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Al Bielek identifed that the Greys come from outside our time/space continuum through a rift in hyperspace created by the Phildelphia Project back in the 1930's-40's when they came through the rift into this universe. In 1943 the military developed a time loop between 1943 to 1983, which has been extended to I know not how far but suspect it is realeted to the natural life span of Bielek. http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukS...roject-V2.html

The Greys refer to the universe as a mind (they don't relate to spirit). "The visitors (greys) understand the hierarchy of power because they themselves live by it, following their own chain of command, you might say. They are highly organized and very focused in their endeavors, and the idea of having cultures full of free-thinking individuals is largely foreign to them. They do not comprehend or understand individual freedom. They are like many technologically advanced societies in the Greater Community who function both within their respective worlds and in their establishments across vast reaches of space, utilizing a very well-established and rigid form of government and organization. They believe that humanity is chaotic and unruly, and they feel they are bringing order to a situation that they cannot themselves comprehend. Individual freedom is unknown to them, and they do not see its value. As a result, what they seek to establish in the world will not honor this freedom." Actually they remind me of the Borg in the StarTrek Next Generation series. www.thealliesofhumanity.orgo

Basically we have multiple alien cultures which are here on earth, interacting with various groups of people (military, intellectuals, ordinary folks) on multiple levels. There are those groups (the Orion group) which affiliated with the Nazi's and are focused on mind control, enslavement and control of the planet. The primary reason for abductions by the greys is for their hybridization program which Dr. Jacobs identified in his book "The Threat" where numerous abductees under hypnosis described how genetic materials (ovum and sperm) were removed from them in order to create a grey/human hybrid. This group's intention is to take over the planet through this process and exercise "hive mind" control over the remaining populace. The Orion group utilizes alien technology as a means to achieve their goal and are comprised of several groups (Nazi's, black military, greys, reptilians, some Nordics, Sirians, some Mantis - basically the insectoid alien groups). However, just as with humans there are postive and negative oriented aliens within these groups as well.

The negative Sirians are considered part of the Orion group that is playing the domination/control game. "The purpose of the Orion group is enslavement and conquest. Their objective is to locate certain individuals who vibrate in resonance with their own vibrational complex and manipulate them. There is a concept called spiritual entropy, which apparently causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. They do follow the Law-of-One but observe free will according to service-to-self. A characteristic of the Orion group is to have others do their dirty work for them, including humans. Those on the enslaved planet then disseminate the attitudes and philosophy, which is service-to-self. These individuals become the "elite." Through the elite, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities are enslaved by their free will.

Generally, entities can have little or no polarization, positive polarization or negative polarization. A positively polarized entity (human or alien) will select a path embodying service-to-others. An entity choosing negative polarization would focus on service-to-self. A negative polarization involves the elements of control and repression. For example, a negatively polarized entity would seek separation from and control over others by sexual means and have the idea of power as an end. The negatively oriented entity will program for maximum separation from and control over all entities which it perceives as being other than itself.

The majority of the Orion group are of fourth density. Some are positively oriented toward service-to-others, but most that are concerned with the current situation are negatively polarized and playing the domination game.

Start with the prime factor of body identification. The society promotes the concept of "you are your body," which results in fear, especially fear of "death," which is tied in with the idea of physical pain. Combine this with religious doctrine and various cultural ideologies and you have a very fertile ground for manipulation. There is also promotion of identification with the personality and ego. The ego is culturally conditioned to a reactionary state, which is encouraged by media and literature to focus on the elements of security, sensation and power. Under these circumstances, individuals are basically disempowered and blind. In terms of cultural activity, individuals are put in a position where they spend most of their time dealing with "self preservation," "self-gratification" and "self-definition." These functions are basically left hemisphere related. The ego structure often becomes fragmented into "partial selves," making the problem even worse. What is missing is the love of truth, life and the creator that we are all a part of. The idea is to transform "self-preservation" into right action, “self-gratification" into right feeling and "self-definition" into right thought. This is not probable in the Orion based culture in which we reside if the missing elements are not introduced."

You will know a man by his works. Pay attention... by his works. Is a person oriented to service-to-others or service-to-self? Anyone who knows Greer also knows his entire life has been devoted to service-to-others. Just because he uses the name Orion doesn't mean he is evil or even remotely associated with the Orion group of Nazi's/aliens. That is just poor logic. Greer's experiences has been with positive sevice-to-other aliens who reside in higher spiritual dimensions. What is so difficult about understanding Dr. Greer is of good intention? He is risking his life to get free energy out to the people on the planet. He gave all of his money towards helping humanity and spends the majority of his time helping others evolve on a spiritual level as well. Can anyone on this forum say they have done the same, risked so much, and given all that they have to help humanity?

So what if he charges for what he does? He and his family have to live. They give the rest of what funds they have left over to help humanity with the free energy project and the work towards Universal brotherhood. They do not live a lavish lifestyle. I just don't understand the mean spirited, small mindedness of a few members here and their ongoing critical barbs directed toward Greer.
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“… they need human labor and human cooperation to serve their purposes here, to mine the world for its biological resources and to use the world for its strategic importance.”

“Intervention is here to cast persuasion over the world, to gain control of the minds and hearts of people. It is doing this by offering people incredible promises of salvation and free energy, promising humanity peace and equanimity, offering advanced technology in order for humanity to become dependent on these foreign powers.
Much of what Summers has to say does not add up. If other races are not allowed to take our world by force, who is doing the enforcing? Why? Are those enforcers so incredibly stupid that they cannot see through false promises? Is domination by dishonesty really allowed with primitive civilizations like ours? If there is a race or races that wish to dominate the world, why didn't they do it sooner when there were fewer people who were even less sophisticated and trivial bits of technology would have sufficed?

Why would an advanced race need human labor? By some accounts, androids are relatively commonplace in advanced civilizations and would likely be more reliable than humans. There are also indications that other races have already been gathering biological samples without any assistance.

By many accounts it seems that earth already has advanced technology for free energy, gravity control, and more, and it is the work of earth inventors and scientists (Tesla, T.T.Brown, many others). Although an advanced device may show you that certain things are possible, reverse engineering such a device isn't possible until you have a basis for understanding how it works - the physics that the mechanism employs. It is people in secret programs who are keeping this science and technology from the rest of the world, and who could release it if they so desired. We don't need ETs to supply these devices.

Although there is wisdom in being cautious, that must be balanced against the dangers of xenophobia and viewing all ETs as a threat. People are much too quick to fear and kill those who are different from themselves.

The path the human race is currently on is not sustainable and will lead to the collapse of civilization if some things don't change pretty darned quickly, especially in the areas of energy sources, pollution, and harvesting faster then the earth can renew (fish, trees, etc.). If we are to avoid a situation that gives false ET saviors an opportunity to step in, these problems need to be addressed. My opinion is that no false ET saviors will appear and we will be allowed to suffer the consequences of our actions with perhaps a small amount of "humanitarian" aid.
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...You will know a man by his works. Pay attention... by his works. Is a person oriented to service-to-others or service-to-self? Anyone who knows Greer also knows his entire life has been devoted to service-to-others. Just because he uses the name Orion doesn't mean he is evil or even remotely associated with the Orion group of Nazi's/aliens. That is just poor logic. Greer's experiences has been with positive sevice-to-other aliens who reside in higher spiritual dimensions. What is so difficult about understanding Dr. Greer is of good intention? He is risking his life to get free energy out to the people on the planet. He gave all of his money towards helping humanity and spends the majority of his time helping others evolve on a spiritual level as well. Can anyone on this forum say they have done the same, risked so much, and given all that they have to help humanity?

So what if he charges for what he does? He and his family have to live. They give the rest of what funds they have left over to help humanity with the free energy project and the work towards Universal brotherhood. They do not live a lavish lifestyle. I just don't understand the mean spirited, small mindedness of a few members here and their ongoing critical barbs directed toward Greer.
Carol, I am mean spirited and small mindedness because I think Greer makes a dangerous statement in saying all ETs are good? I am making poor logic because I wonder why he has called one of his project on free energy the Orion project?

Coming from an veteran avalonian member, I prefer to stay shut if its so extreme to discuss this matter.

Alright, you will not hear from me anymore on this subject, if I am to be ridicule because I question Greer statement. I am not attacking the man, by the way, but his statement...

Nor will I attack you Carol. To me, people are more important than their ideas or opinions. But you are certainly not showing us a lesson about maturity with your words...

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Much of what Summers has to say does not add up. If other races are not allowed to take our world by force, who is doing the enforcing? Why? Are those enforcers so incredibly stupid that they cannot see through false promises? Is domination by dishonesty really allowed with primitive civilizations like ours? If there is a race or races that wish to dominate the world, why didn't they do it sooner when there were fewer people who were even less sophisticated and trivial bits of technology would have sufficed?

Then you should read his books 1 and 2, it answers all of your questions above. You also can find many answers in the Handbooks series...

Why would an advanced race need human labor? By some accounts, androids are relatively commonplace in advanced civilizations and would likely be more reliable than humans. There are also indications that other races have already been gathering biological samples without any assistance.

This is also treated in book 2 'Allies of Humanity'.

Although there is wisdom in being cautious, that must be balanced against the dangers of xenophobia and viewing all ETs as a threat. People are much too quick to fear and kill those who are different from themselves.

This is not what I say, nor what is written by Summers or Collier. You make a quick jump there.

The path the human race is currently on is not sustainable and will lead to the collapse of civilization if some things don't change pretty darned quickly, especially in the areas of energy sources, pollution, and harvesting faster then the earth can renew (fish, trees, etc.). If we are to avoid a situation that gives false ET saviors an opportunity to step in, these problems need to be addressed. My opinion is that no false ET saviors will appear and we will be allowed to suffer the consequences of our actions with perhaps a small amount of "humanitarian" aid.

To this I agree. But there will be something happening soon. The evolution of consciousness of the mayan pyramid is true. Knowing how realities are affected by our own consciousness, I hope the best outcomes for all of us. But it does not mean to put aside all the evidence on alien intervention going on Earth at this moment.
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