This could be huge....

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

Love him or hate him, Glenn Becks' program made it to the mainstream media - if you can class Fox News mainstream.

That being said, yesterday he brought up the FEMA camp issue and that raised my eyebrows a little.

He made a 'teaser' saying he would board the subject in a 'couple of days' after his team investigated all the facts, he personally saying that he didn't think too much about it.... until he interviewed Ron Paul about a subject unrelated to FEMA.

Ron Paul, at the beginning of the interview, informed him of legislation that had been passed in congress giving unlimited power to FEMA in controlling people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRDGpWoKos

So what does this mean?

Firstly, the FEMA subject is hitting mainstream media and not just those alternative media outlets like Alex Jones and Rense.

Secondly, this could spark a national panic in the US which is already like a tinderbox waiting to ignite a brush fire.

Is the 'Right' wanting to spark riots in the US to try and oust the Dems, or are they all in it together?

I was under the opinion that it was the 'right' authoritarian people who wanted to control the world and not the liberal 'left'.

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

Best regards,

Steve

[Humble Janitor]

I don't think that Ron Paul would want to see violence or whatnot.

[Rareheart]

I was under the opinion that it was the 'right' authoritarian people who wanted to control the world and not the liberal 'left'.

The difference between right and left...as far as I know anyway. (I'm not an authority, by any means) Correct me if I'm wrong.
The left is interested in controlling others, they think that people require control...and if left alone, society will spiral into chaos.
I've been under the impression that right wingers want to be left to govern themselves...pretty much anyway.

left=more gov't control?

I don't fully understand this stuff and am not trying to offend anyone...just looking for answers myself.

[Humble Janitor]

To me, the right-wing is full of people who don't know what the hell they want and as a result, they make others pay for their idiocy.

Either way, both sides are always at fault.

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

I was under the opinion that it was the 'right' authoritarian people who wanted to control the world and not the liberal 'left'.

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

i always find it humourous when the americans talk about their politics as left and right.

there is no 'left-wing' party in the us, at least it certainly is not the democrats. in canada, as in most countries, there is actually a left-wing, socialist party. we even have marxist-leninist candidates in the larger urban centres. even our right-wing conservatives are far more left that the democrats. heck, americans still think that national health care is a communist concept. the american small 'l' liberals are still very right wing.

[Dantheman62]

Didn't 777 say it's the bird in the middle that controls the right and left wings, hmmm, (TPTB?)

[orthodoxymoron]

Power worshipping collectivists want to rule the world. This takes in a lot of seemingly opposing ideologies and belief systems. It's all about the love of power...rather than the power of love. Left = Socialist Collectivism. Right = Fascist Collectivism. Constitutionalist = Responsible Freedom. The Right is Wrong. The Left doesn't have a clue. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

[Jacqui D]

I live in the Uk and don't really understand American politics, hey i have a hard time understanding Uk politics at the best of time

But here in the Uk it's like a large pot boiling over at the moment, crime is up there has been more break ins and theft is rife in supermarkets etc.

When they start tagging the meat trays it shows you just how bad things are becoming.
Yes they actually secure tags now on all meat trays for theft!
Security has been stepped up everywhere you turn down the supermarket aisles you will find a security guy looking over your shoulder!
Blasted annoying!
I'm beginning to worry if i am a suspicious looking type lol!

With so many now becoming unemployed i fear this may cause big problems.

[pyrangello]

Left , Right, Center, How about good people and selfish people , no matter where you turn in this world , you have both groups. I happen to think that the selfish group is running about 10 % to the good 90%.

Jac D , I live here in the U.S. and I don't understand the polictics here anymore either. It use to be a position of for the people and you use to be proud of who represented you, now you just look in disgust and compare who is waisting the most money . Pretty soon they'll have a board game that you can throw darts at your favorite politician. LOL .

As for Glenn Beck, "you ever here the phrase, sometimes you have to go there to get back" I guess Mr. Beck may be taking people places where it demands an answer to the places he takes you, right or wrong he is accomplishing what he is trying to do and that is to make you make the decision. Thats apparent by this thread. And then there is always that simple solution , if you don't like him , don't watch FOX.

[Wormhole]

Great post Steve, thank you.
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[peaceandlove]

Rule by fear or rule by law?

Lewis Seiler,Dan Hamburg, San Francisco Gate
Monday, February 4, 2008

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&sn=005&sc=288

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.

According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens?

The Constitution does not allow the executive to have unchecked power under any circumstances. The people must not allow the president to use the war on terrorism to rule by fear instead of by law.

Lewis Seiler is the president of Voice of the Environment, Inc. Dan Hamburg, a former congressman, is executive director.

[peaceandlove]

"The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear in which we live and fear breeds repression. Too often the sinister threats to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind, are concealed under the patriotic cloak of anti-communism (today its the cloak of anti-terrorism). It's far easier to fight for principles than to stand up to them."

1952, Adlai Stevenson II



Adlai Stevenson II

(February 5, 1900 – July 14, 1965) was an American politician, noted for his intellectual demeanor, eloquent oratory, and promotion of liberal causes in the Democratic Party. He served one term as governor of Illinois, and received the Democratic Party's nomination for president in 1952 and 1956; both times he was defeated by Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower. He sought the Democratic presidential nomination for a third time in the election of 1960, but was defeated by Senator John F. Kennedy of Massachussetts. After his election, President Kennedy appointed Stevenson as the Ambassador to the United Nations, he served from 1961 to 1965. He died on 14 July 1965 in London, England after suffering a fatal heart attack at age 65.

Although Stevenson was born in Los Angeles, he was a member of a famous Illinois political family. His grandfather Adlai E. Stevenson I had been Vice President of the United States under President Grover Cleveland from 1893-1897. His father, Lewis Green Stevenson, never held an elected office, but was appointed Secretary of State of Illinois and was considered a strong contender for the Democratic vice-presidential nomination in 1928. A maternal great-grandfather, Jesse Fell, had been a close friend and campaign manager for Abraham Lincoln; Stevenson often referred to Fell as his "favorite" ancestor. His mother was Helen Davis Stevenson.

Stevenson was raised in the small city of Bloomington, Illinois; his family was a member of Bloomington's upper class and lived in one of the city's well-to-do neighborhoods. At the age of twelve Stevenson accidentally killed Ruth Merwin, a 16-year-old friend, while demonstrating drill technique with a rifle, inadvertently left loaded, during a party at the Stevenson home.[2] Stevenson was devastated by the accident and rarely referred to it as an adult. However, as the Governor of Illinois he was told about a teenager who had survived an automobile accident while his friend was killed. Stevenson told the teen's father that he should tell his son that "he now has to live for two", which Stevenson's friends took to be a reference to the shooting accident.

Continues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson

[peaceandlove]

Sort Of.

Ok, I'm really liking Adlai Stevenson's quotes, so I am inserting some more here. They're all so good, not sure which ones to leave out.

Quotes:

"It is not the years in your life but the life in your years that counts!"

"Laws are never as effective as habits."

"An editor is someone who separates the wheat from the chaff and then prints the chaff."

"The idea that you can merchandise candidates for high office like breakfast cereal -- that you can gather votes like box tops -- is, I think, the ultimate indignity to the democratic process."

"I'm not an old, experienced hand at politics. But I am now seasoned enough to have learned that the hardest thing about any political campaign is how to win without proving that you are unworthy of winning."

"A wise man who stands firm is a statesman, a foolish man who stands firm is a catastrophe."

"Flattery is all right if you don't inhale."

"Freedom is not an ideal, it is not even a protection, if it means nothing more than freedom to stagnate, to live without dreams, to have no greater aim than a second car and another television set."

"A hungry man is not a free man."

"In America, anybody can be president. That's one of the risks you take."

"We travel together, passengers on a little spaceship, dependent on it's vulnerable reserves of air and soil, all committed, for our safety, to it's security and peace. Preserved from annihilation only by the care, the work and the love we give our fragile craft."

"The human race has improved everything, but the human race."

"Change is inevitable. Change for the better is a full-time job."


MORE INSPIRING QUOTES:

Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/quote-4...E.%20Stevenson

Source found at: http://www.answers.com/topic/adlai-stevenson

[peaceandlove]

Source: http://solari.com/blog/ Catherine Austin Fitt's Website

FEMA Concentration Camps:
Locations and Executive Orders

Friends of Liberty (undated) 3sep04

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list. The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

Now let's review the justification for any actions taken...

Link to Google Map of camps and article continues: http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004...amps3sep04.htm

SO IS THIS IS WHERE ALL THE TRILLIONS GO?

In the Video they talk about Gov. control. I don't really like the idea of parliament as it is presented. (Translated in French, Parlaiment means Parlai..=.Speak Ment= Lies. That is on a phnoic level House of speaking lies)

But is it better being in the hands of companies and indivual groups with an agenda and of no means of control??

If the gov was a good one then all this would be fine, but I have not seen a good gov yet. Its good to be social not to be on a lsocial list.

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by pyrangello

Left , Right, Center, How about good people and selfish people , no matter where you turn in this world , you have both groups. I happen to think that the selfish group is running about 10 % to the good 90%.

Jac D , I live here in the U.S. and I don't understand the polictics here anymore either. It use to be a position of for the people and you use to be proud of who represented you, now you just look in disgust and compare who is waisting the most money . Pretty soon they'll have a board game that you can throw darts at your favorite politician. LOL .

As for Glenn Beck, "you ever here the phrase, sometimes you have to go there to get back" I guess Mr. Beck may be taking people places where it demands an answer to the places he takes you, right or wrong he is accomplishing what he is trying to do and that is to make you make the decision. Thats apparent by this thread. And then there is always that simple solution , if you don't like him , don't watch FOX.

Selfish vs Unselfish is probably a good place to start. This is where I started. Where I am presently is...Responsible vs Irresponsible. A winner can be viewed as being selfish. A successful, yet responsible, businessperson can be viewed as being selfish. But are these characterizations really fair and accurate? Is a poor person or unsuccessful businessperson necessarily unselfish?

To me...a hard-driving, ruggedly-individualistic Wall Street trader...who plays by the rules...obeys all laws...engages in no scams, no market manipulation, and no insider trading...who earns ten million dollars a year...drives an Enzo Ferrari...lives in the Hamptons...and gives five million dollars a year to alleviate third-world hunger and disease...is a responsible person in my book. I frankly aspire to a similar scenario.

Freedom and Competition are very closely related...and both must be defended. Responsible Freedom and Constructive Competition are the ideals for me. They are provided for and defended by the U.S. Constitution. This is Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

When the U.S. Constitution is followed...we will have leaders who rightly and properly represent us...who we can be proud of.

[Humble Janitor]

Sounds more like you aim to placate your ego than actually contribute to the world.

The less people we have making six figures, the better.