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Old 11-22-2008, 06:12 PM   #1
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My Views on the Forum

NOTE: Up until now I have been watching and listening and here is my response to what I have seen.

This forum is undergoing a transformation I encourage you to make whatever suggestions you like toward that end.

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I have a strong dislike of authority and especially of those in authoritarian type roles who try to dictate to others, behavior or thought. One would think that those coming on to the forum share this value. However, with Moderators something else seems to be operating.

From my pov I get triggered when people act like police or prison guards and try to shut people in or out. It is abhorent to me that I would be involved in such an enterprise regardless of the high ideals people feel they are operating from. I do understand from the perspective of some, shutting out troublemakers is the best way to create a 'safe place' for people to share their views. I am suspicious of this activity from the out set.. regardless of the reasoning. I am a rebel at heart, always have been and always will be. So I identify with those who set themselves apart, rebel and question authority IN ALL ITS FORMS regardless of the rationalization for it.

I am not unaware that some degree of maintenance of "order" must take place for human SOCIETY to operate. I did graduate work in SOCIOLOGY (the study of groups and how they operate in society and the relation of the individual to society)..in fact I was writing a Master's thesis on this issue when I decided to quit graduate school because it was unnecessary (getting straight A's at that by the way..)

However, because my position on this is not merely emotional but backed by years of study of rebellion in all its forms and societal structures -- I find myself in a quandary when dealing with the Mods because at root my philosophy is apparently far different. I come from the pov that it is not the individual that is "sick" but the society and the structures they have built that makes the individual appear that way. Most of psychoanalysis and other therapies are all about adjusting and modifying the individual to conform to society and their rules rather than looking for ways to change society to incorporate the "radical types".

Radicalism is at root a MESSAGE FOR CHANGE THAT IS NEEDED... and therefore when I see a troublemaker I see a person with a different pov that may have a message and should therefore be heard. And here is where the FORUM and its Mods and I diverge.

I do not find "socially acceptable" behavior to be the optimum... I see it as preferable but NOT MANDATORY. I see, as you know, the message and the need to include the radicals as more important than the need to have their behavior conform. It's a matter of priority.

It is also about granting FREEDOM in all cases. In my view, if you allow a troublemaker, others Freedom is not curtailed, on the contrary, they can react as well as the next person... It is their choice whether to be triggered or not. Therefore in FORUM DIALOG troublemakers, with rare exceptions which are those with true devious intent such as selling drugs, pornography, paid agents and the like... are there as a part of the structure, stating their views where people can be challenged and disagree quite easily. The thing about forums is one person posts after another and therefore there is no real FACE TO FACE contact or FORCEFUL coercion to reply unless one wants to get into the "fray"...

I am aware that people are followers often and easily swayed by the posts of troublemakers but that is again their choice. It's quite a fair structure inherently and one that, without the intervention of Mods, in my view, will sort itself out if given a chance. When you ACT AS POLICE and kick people out you only exercise your own authoritarian beliefs and consider it justified. When in reality, you have not given the other people there the opportunity to grow their own muscles (mentally/emotionally) of discernment and let them handle it. They are all children in a school yard. They are there to learn. We all learn from the good as well as the bad.

So, I am simply against forcing people out regardless with the exception of the obvious infractions (drugs, porn) and I think we can all agree what those are. People who criticize Camelot and Avalon are certainly not guilty of those "infractions".... I consider even destructively oriented criticism to be allowable. I know many do not share this view.

I don't actually agree with the view about... a few bad apples spoiling it for others... I think we all have it well within our grasp to grab the podium and turn things in a positive direction. A forum post allows for this opportunity. I suggest that be the recourse rather than handing out points and infractions behind the scenes like secret police or school yard spies.

This being as it is, I do not find it desirable or attractive when people want to lessen people's chance to speak their minds regardless of who they THINK THEY ARE PROTECTING. I understand the impulse but I think it is misplaced as a way of loving... indeed it is very destructive in nature because it assumes that:

1. People can't protect themselves.

2. It doesn't allow people the "beingness" to develop their own modes of protection or discernment.

3. It creates a false sense of shelter where in reality there is none.

This gets to how I see the internet vs. a store or party in everyday life. The net is special because IT IS OPEN. That is quite possibly THE ONLY REASON IT IS SPECIAL. If you destroy that you destroy everything. Every Freedom, every choice we have. It is a mirror of our UNIVERSAL MIND and as such we must ALLOW as much freedom in the way we operate as humanly possible.

Yes by instituting a subscription based forum to help pay for our work--we are imposing certain limits.. ($1 a month -- I mean get real..) but they are reasonable and the barrier to ENTRY IS EXTREMELY LOW. I want to KEEP IT THAT WAY.

To be posted on to the forum in Announcements and in Mod area.

In peace,

Love,

Kerry

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Old 11-23-2008, 01:03 AM   #2
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Hi Kerry,

I appreciate the sentiment without which we cannot be good truth seekers.

My thought is to do whatever it takes to help get people ready. Soon our thoughts will be our ever more sober, and due diligence will set the mood.
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:56 AM   #3
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Wow, your such an intelligent and brave woman, i think we can all learn from this.

Thank you for everything Kerry.
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:34 AM   #4
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I wish i could find a consistant source of money for the two of you so you could keep the forum free.
That's really all the forum feedback i have.
I love what you and Bill have done with these projects and i support you fully.

Since i am a digital artist i have decided to make you some 3D banners for your forum and Camelot as a tribute to you guys before i have to go.
I am going to remake them as they are now, if you would like anything changed or customized i will gladly do it.

If you want to know more about me in this reguard you can do so here:
http://mrhobby.cgsociety.org


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Old 11-23-2008, 04:50 AM   #5
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Since i am a digital artist i have decided to make you some 3D banners for your forum and Camelot as a tribute to you guys before i have to go.
I am going to remake them as they are now, if you would like anything changed or customized i will gladly do it.
Why do you have to go? We have gift memberships and seems like one of the mods said they would pay your way. And your work with banners would probably be more than enough for one year/barter exchange. I have posted this information numerous times but I do truly understand there is no possible way anyone can see all the posts on here - not even a tiny fraction of them.

Bill and Kerry are some of the most generous people on the face of this planet. No one has to leave because of lack of money.

If people want to leave based on the principles they hold, that a subscription forum is contrary to, then there is nothing we can do about that one, except we are sad to see them go.

PM me if you want to and I'll make sure if you want a membership here that it is taken care of.

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Old 11-23-2008, 05:49 AM   #6
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If people want to leave based on the principles they hold, that a subscription forum is contrary to, then there is nothing we can do about that one, except we are sad to see them go.

Love is who we are,
Karen

Thank you Karen.
But not to hi-jack this thread away from its intended purpose,
i outlined it well in this post and a few others.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7972

Read through all of it and you should get the picture.

Again thank you for inquiring,
I love you golden heart.

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Old 11-23-2008, 07:50 PM   #7
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I'm not sure I've quite got the picture of what a free and open forum is like. Is that like godlikeproductions? So we can call Kerry (or anyone we choose) a f**k*ng fat assed bitch if we want to under the banner of free expression? If those words make some people mad, so be it; if they are hurtful, so be it? I'm just asking. This is not my personal style at all, or my preferred way of communicating.

It's not disagreement or radicalism that is at question. Heck, I'm a radical myself. I seek truth. I've gone my own way outside the norm for a long time, in my quiet way, with a lot of people thinking me quite weird, stupid even. So being radical is not the issue. And no one objects to disagreement, but the "manner" of disagreement does seem to be in question. Have I understood the issue correctly? Some of us seem to want boundaries we call manners, respect, etc. but others consider those ideas restrictive. Didn't we lose Henry Deacon because of unrestrained freedom of expression?

Well, just for instance, with all due respect, let me give an example of a change of vibe: I find this whole ****headed discussion absolutely f**k*ng stupid and worthless. It's because "freedom" and "lack of restraint" have become confused that the world is in such a s***ty mess right now. You, Ms. Cassidy, exhibit the moral confusion that keeps rational thinking tied in knots. Get your head on straight, you DUMB ASS!!!!

[Do I believe what I just said in that paragraph? Some of it, yes. Not everything that can be done should be done. Would I EVER have expressed it that way, except for purposes of demonstration here? No. To me, the energy is brutal and very low...but some people like to fight.]

Whatever happens here, I hope Camelot has not been negatively impacted by disagreements on Avalon, and I hope both of these sites continue. And no, I don't think Kerry is a dumb ass, but I disagree with her to some degree.

With only the best wishes to Bill and Kerry ...
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:36 PM   #8
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very wise post , yes. definitely makes me rethink things.

my only suggestion is that mods do not choose themselves. lol

i think that would be best for everyone.

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Old 11-23-2008, 10:41 PM   #9
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Forum culture, such as it is today, is a well known and well established paradigm. It will take a lot more than one post which on the surface speaks to ideals of freedom and truth to change that. It certainly speaks from "I" a lot and is based on a single person’s opinion and vision when I thought this was a joint gig - run by both Bill and Kerry. Divisions at the top could end up being a wet dream for the dark powers that are alleged to have an interest in stopping places like this from functioning efficiently.

It would be nice, at some stage, to see the counter-point to Kerry's position by Bill. He has not posted here for a couple of days. I have gained nothing but the highest respect for Bill's abilities, people management and organizational capabilities. I think we need the balanced view here and balance to be restored if possible.

The new paradigm is emerging, but it is not here yet and that is evident by the behavior of many on the forum.

Un-moderated forums that allow ad-hominem attacks to go unchecked can easily become places where the kinds of people you want to attract will not want to stay.

The choice is pretty simple: do you want a forum that can be organised and focused on its mission? Or do you want a free for all - a place where people can "blow off steam" because they are angry - at politics, the unwinding of the old power structures, financial collapse, expectations of ufo sightings not met, about personalities (some here some elsewhere), and attack each other and be thoroughly unpleasant about it - all at the expense of the goal of Avalon.

You know there are many examples where that has happened on this forum. Unless you were not reading it, pretty much all of the special guests got let down and left or are leaving in one way or another.

Your new moderator philosophy could succeed, but I find it somewhat unlikely at the current time.

A few people here have saluted you and agreed with you - and there is certainly a lot in what you have written that can be agreed with - but I don't see winners and losers here - just progress back home at varying speeds.

We are humans becoming! Help us become!

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Old 11-24-2008, 12:42 AM   #10
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The great thing about Kerry's post is that it has come from Kerry herself rather than some persecuted 'outsider' defending their right to a voice on Avalon. What she says is philosophically sound.

Without this philosophy of inclusion Avalon and any other group or community could only function as a hierarchy operating in a closed mental box, yet thinking itself progressive and free.

She needed to say this because the defensive ego of Avalon could otherwise blind-side it into a groupthink mentality where it lumbers along on a dysfunctional road to nowhere. Unfortunately, all greatly concieved groups always end up like that. The USA is one of the saddest cases i know of. A great constitution trashed by egoic expediency and monopoly on power.

The great revolutionaries are always seen by the group as outsiders yet they are at it's heart challenging the group to raise their collective vision. Historically, many of them paid a terrible price for that. The willing sacrifice of principled "inventors and dissenters" is to surrender the need for status in the eyes of others and speak honestly when prompted from within.

Some in the group will always find personal status in the status quo. People in fringe groups are most susceptible to this problem (of comfortability in their beliefs) because they may believe that their status as "non-mainstream thinkers" makes them immune to blindness. Then there are those who will give up their autonomy of thought just to recieve a pat on the head from authority.

A major part of the success of community is for individuals to search ourselves so that we can get a handle on our own psychology and motives for the way we interact with each other and authority. All communities eventually fail because they are comprised of individuals who fail to do this. This basic psychological failure is usually preyed upon by dominant personalities who seek to structure communities that foster co-dependency and blind obedience rather than individuality and self-mastery. In such communities the rhetoric of freedom remains as a hollow shell which echos to the group it's shared illusions.

When deliberate, these attempts to misdirect communities can be crafty, merciless and are most often shielded behind "do - gooding" and "spirituality" for maximum 'cover'.

For one example of this see my take on the "crystal skull myth". At the following link you'll find a brief related comment (at post#25) then follow a 2nd link in that post to read my opinion on the "Skull myth" itself. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...php?p=77035#25

People find it easier to see the wolf when it's wooly clothing is getting old and transparent.

To be a new 'protestant' is more difficult.

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Old 11-24-2008, 03:43 AM   #11
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This is a good development it's making people more at ease you can only encourage to go further in this direction.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:39 AM   #12
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I'm not sure I've quite got the picture of what a free and open forum is like. Is that like godlikeproductions? So we can call Kerry (or anyone we choose) a f**k*ng fat assed bitch if we want to under the banner of free expression? If those words make some people mad, so be it; if they are hurtful, so be it? I'm just asking. This is not my personal style at all, or my preferred way of communicating.

[snip]

Whatever happens here, I hope Camelot has not been negatively impacted by disagreements on Avalon, and I hope both of these sites continue. And no, I don't think Kerry is a dumb ass, but I disagree with her to some degree.

With only the best wishes to Bill and Kerry ...
Hi, All:

I was persuaded to respond here by Anchor. Do read his post above. I'm delighted that he continues to bring his good energy here and to other threads where'll be appreciated by all except those with destructive intentions (and there are some).

Good energy is what it's all about. If this forum degenerates to being like godlikeproductions, then I myself will no longer visit or contribute. Like Gandhi, I want us all to be the change we want to see in the world. For me, that starts here.

I don't want to create a mirror of the world. There are plenty of those elsewhere. Visit any city center late on a Saturday night.

So I won't tolerate this forum becoming a lowest-common-denominator refection of everything that's out of balance on Planet Earth. Michael St.Clair talks about Radiant Zones, and this should be a virtual model of one. The new world starts here.

Games take place on playing fields: defined areas which have boundaries, agreements, players with roles, and purposes. There's an agreed, balanced structure to all good games which makes them enjoyable and worth playing.

Death Race 2000 (with no rules) is not a game I'd like to play. On the other hand, I used to play Rugby (which many Brits, Aussies, South Africans and New Zealanders would insist is a tougher game than American Football).

So I'm not afraid of tough games with rules. I'm a mountaineer, which is also a tough game - and that has its rules too. Break them, and the universe soon gives you feedback.

The secret is to master the game. Only those who fail to master the game seek to break the rules. Ask any thief, adulterer, or con man.

Forums are no exceptions. It's part of civilization itself that there are agreed ways of operating, and agreed ways of dealing with situations where those agreements are violated. It's what sets us apart from cavemen.

The reason for this is that civilization ALLOWS and PERMITS and ENCOURAGES creativity, growth, civil rights, security, and freedom of expression. That's the function of structured agreements.

To remove those agreements and think that the game will be improved is to confuse anarchy with freedom. The two are entirely different.

People who think they're the same are mighty confused and don't understand the real nature of freedom at all.

Real anarchy is a frightening thing. Read William Golding's Lord of the Flies. Or go see Mad Max. Or walk down a dark alley late at night in Washington, Johannesburg, Lagos or Moscow and see how much fun you have.

If you want no laws or jails, then you'd better have good locks on your house and car. If you want no traffic cops, then good luck on the freeway. (If anyone's ever driven on the roads around Moscow, they'll know what I mean.)

The ABUSE of authority is the problem. Not authority itself.

I stand with Kerry on protesting the ABUSE of authority.

But there can also be an ABUSE of freedom. What I stand against is ABUSE.

Those who have abused this forum number a few dozen people, no more. They have no "right" to ruin the experience of 2,500 others just because they feel like expressing themselves without thought, responsibility or constraint.

Therefore if some members continue to bring that abusive energy to this game, they'll be asked to leave it and go play elsewhere. That's my position and it's not going to change.

If the abuse of everyone's freedom and rights continues on this planet, then all is lost, and I'll be returning to another planet next lifetime because the battle for Earth will be over.

Chronicling the abuse of individual freedom is one of the core principles of Camelot. The history of the last 5,000 years (and maybe much longer) has been one in which the well-being of the many has been ruined by the agendas of a few.

I will not see that replicated here, in what I, Kerry, and every one of the other moderators want to be a model for a new world.

With love to all, Bill
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:59 AM   #13
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Thanks Bill, Kerry, and Anchor,

You guys all make alot of sense and seemingly differ only slightly.

I'm fairly young but I'm old enough to have learned first hand that rules (let's say morales) are indeed very helpful if not entirely necessary in order to interact in postive directions.

This is the first forum I've ever been a member of so I'll have to take Anchor's word regarding forum culture, but this how I see it:

I'm a big boy and I can think for myself quite well I believe. I'm very open minded, but i'm tough as well (I played rugby too bill, and american football, and yes rugby is indeed nastier/tougher) so I know when to stand up to a bully. I'm not at all personally atatched to any of this information (although I do agree w/ some bits more than others of course). And lastly I know when to walk away from a fight, (when a discussion has turned into a fight of course).

I think ideally we could have any behaviour allowed here and the degenerate behaviour would simply fade once that sort of behaviour was ignored.
Of course there will always be those who are looking for a fight rather than a discussion, and people's attatchment to their causes cloud their normal morales, and they may begin to think that the ends justify the means. They just want others to believe what they do. I really think staying unatatched to these specific "truths" can be very helpful in determining the validity of said "truth" (for one's self of course). It's a simple matter of finding a point at which there is no recourse but to agree to disagree, and then try to move forward. Some members seem to have agendas that would like to see generally accepted by all, so they must constantly promote/defend what they advocate and it can lead to degenerate behaviour at times, and that imo is when mods must intervene. I like discussions and I detest fights.

I stand on the sidelines to watch this game play out, and there are too many sides to choose from, so I am my own side whenever I jump in to play, but i root for us all.

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Now on a feedback topic (I was going to start a thread w/ this idea but I think this might work better here):

The real logistical probelm w/ the subscription fee (as I see it) is the initial barrier presented to potential new members. It's been said and I agree that it is less likely that a passer by w/ some (potentially) good info, will get past that initial barrier of $ (even 12$) to post.

An initial free month has been suggested and I think that's a good idea too, but that still bars people who simply can't (or won't) pay to post.

So here's my idea I think it's pretty good:

I can basicly only afford to give two (minimum) subscriptions worth (24$) when the time comes. I have no one in particular that I would like to nominate so I would like to donate the other 12$ to some new potential member.

My idea is that (after the $ switchover) any excess $ donated past the minimum subscription fee for all active members, be divided by twelve and that many free memberships awarded (first come first serve style).

Any donation funds will still go to B and K of course but there could just be a pool of a new potential free mebership for every twelve dollars donated.

I would love it that my money could go to help B and K and help someone get a membership and voice their opinions, ask questions that concern them, or get out some relevant info.

I think this is a really good idea. Anyone else?

Thanks again for all you guys do Bill and Kerry.

And A. thank you for all you have done as a mod. I'm glad to see that you're staying w/ us. I really do appreciate your level head.
RELENTLESS RUTHLESS POSITIVITY

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Old 11-25-2008, 09:43 AM   #14
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Dear Kerry & Bill
and dear Friends

Saluting you for your work, and encouraging all the positive thinking and acting friends for making this happen.

Some 300 friends of mine, together with Zynox and myself, have meanwhile created a radiant zone virtually speaking, where they have gone to work beyond the virtual aspects and are creating their projects together, both in North America, and Europe and down-under, and we communicate about these things in my zone...

We spoke about that phenomenon of putting now our focus where it will bear fruits - even in unruly surroundings, as opposed to be wasting precious "time" and energy on unproductive talks.

The cherry tree and the old Scots pine tree are such living signs type shamanic symbols, as you will see.

My web master transformed the audio talk you had with me on 5 November into a small series of four mini videos - where the imagery is as strong as the spoken words, if not more powerful. At least it has given the audio a wider outreach and a renewed sense of positivity. I trust it helps both Camelot and our friends.

Have a look: "Time Line: Radiant Zones"
http://stclairzone.ning.com/forum/to...-by-the-master


It is in this spirit that I suggest the greater zone at Avalon resumes its beneficial activity.

The only piece of advice we can give is that it is best not to rule a society via "outer morals" but via inner ethics.

The rest has all been stated by Krishnamurti. Those who apply his "teachings" and suggestions always find in a group most coherent friends.

One word of caution though to my friend Kerry Cassidy: If you put sugar on your doorstep you invite the ants in your home, and let's not forget the spiders you do not like too much. Esoterically speaking, if you invite "anarchy" or "chaos" into your zone, in thought or in words, then that is what you get, as energy follows thought.

Saturn & Uranus in opposition now have a reason being for constructive restrictions and limitations, and the application of the "Higher Laws" of Uranian nature.

Makes sense?


As a mutual / anonymous friend of ours said,
this is after all now going to be known as -
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7888
A SPIRITUAL CONSPIRACY



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Old 11-25-2008, 10:28 AM   #15
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You guys have done a fine job of figuring out how to better the experience for the majority.

My hat goes off to you.
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:33 PM   #16
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Absolutley Kerry, having a forum or any public space policed by well meaning but over zealous 'thought police' cant be the way forward. People should be responsible enough to police themselves - isn't that the real definition of Anarchy - not the 'tabloid' version.

Self rule for the benefit of the whole.

Ohh! can't we all just get along and be happy?!! Respect different opinions. Nothing like an outspoken rebel or two to keep things 'real' and keep the dreaded comfort zone back!

Love! to you all!
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:34 PM   #17
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I agree with Bill and Kerry about the need to maintain a civil tone. People aren't going to agree on everything but we shouldn't get filthy with each other.

'Licence' is not freedom. Bill's point is the same one the old scriptures made when they referred to the problem of 'licencious' behavior. There is law in this universe and if we defy the (interior) law of harmony we will never know the true meaning of soul freedom which alone can master the problems of the material plane. Our responsibility to the law is to express it's love and harmony in all our interactions with each other. If it can be infused into our new institutions we have a shot at a new world.

In the Avalon/Camelot forums, where comfortability in our own knowledge is likely to be challenged, i say we should welcome it. It keeps everyone on their toes and open to self analysis. But if a line is drawn anywhere it should be drawn at filthy modes of expression.

Words carry energy. The words used for cursing and negative venting carry ugly vibrations which resonate with dark astral influences who attempt to magnify discord in potentially constructive groups. These cursings and astral attacks can cripple a forum if they're not self-moderated by the self-discipline of members. If forum mods need to remind people of that sometimes, that's ok too. In the realm of ideas there are no sacred cows, so this approach - to welcome honest dissent but not the cursing - should keep the spirit of freedom intact

Some people who habitually swear and curse have perhaps not recognised their own vibration or that it's root springs from their own inner disturbance, so they see nothing wrong with the cussing. Maybe they'd get a better look at themselves if a basic standard was baked into Avalon .

Sometimes the context of 'earthy' language renders it inoffensive so context should guide us and the moderation should account for it.

A reasonable standard of language is a mode most likely to keep people interested and contributing to this place. If it gets too ugly or if dissent is frowned upon, people will bail out.

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Thank you, Bill and Michael. I 100% apologize for what I wrote above. It was unpleasant to write. I don't like the energies that my expression carried, but I did it to make a point, which has been taken as intended -- a question about how we're going to go about expressing ourselves.

I agree that this is a virtual community and it perhaps shows some of what we could expect out there. Eventually communities would separate into "like-minded" groupings; splinter communities would form. The problem for the peaceful types is to not be too tolerant of the troublemakers.

There have been interesting discussions on the net about the 5% psychopaths who run the world because they don't care what mayhem they cause ... it's something to be taken seriously and not tolerated.
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Thank you, Bill and Michael. I 100% apologize for what I wrote above. It was unpleasant to write. I don't like the energies that my expression carried, but I did it to make a point, which has been taken as intended -- a question about how we're going to go about expressing ourselves.
Dont worry, I for one think your point was very well made.

Sometimes you have to get down into the sh*t, even if its just to retreive a valuable lost item that dropped in there. The nice thing is once you have it, you can wash off as clean as before - no harm done.

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I think this is the most healing post I have seen here in some time.

I also think that part of the problem is that it is hard to agree on what is truth, and what the world wide picture really looks like.

We each look at all the information and come to different conclusions, thus making each of us see the answer to all the questions that tear at our souls, different.

So often we look and act like bickering children.

I suggest that every person that comes to here should find a way to put more pressure on the governments to go to full disclosure. Maybe we should flood barak Obamas office with thousands of E-mails. If the entire awakened community did this and kept the pressure up we would see a break sooner then later....

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QUOTE >The history of the last 5,000 years (and maybe much longer) has been one in which the well-being of the many has been ruined by the agendas of a few. Bill Ryan>

But that is exactly what you are doing here. The pattern is the following:
A. make people feel special ( call them The Ground Crew , the chosen ones), then
B. group them around you, get all their details, (email adresses, pictures and so on)
C. scare the daylights out of them, using unproven and unprovable prophecies like a coming Planet X, the almighty Illuminati and merchants of doom by the dozen ...and then ..
D. you present yourselves as the solution. Credits cards, please everyone... salvation is at hand.

So that was the plan after all, it would seem.
I can assure you it is a promising plan: the Catholic Church has been executing that pattern successfully for 2000 years.

Whosoever is in a position to ban me for life - please DO IT !
I have no further interest being part of this.
Thanks.
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ps. a quote from your departed friend, HD
"Too many people are quite gullible which at times saddens me.."

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Thank you, Anchor. I feel a little better now, but not quite clean!


On another note:
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I suggest that every person that comes to here should find a way to put more pressure on the governments to go to full disclosure. Maybe we should flood barak Obamas office with thousands of E-mails. If the entire awakened community did this and kept the pressure up we would see a break sooner then later....
This is really off topic, but this showed up on another thread on November 4th, posted by Kathleen:

"Re: 'Free Energy 'Projects' And Other Information'

...There is a project called the Million Fax On Washington. We are demanding from the new president:

1. It is time for the people to know the truth about the world they inhabit.
2. Maintaining the Truth Embargo has cost a fortune, undermined the social contract, and led to abuses of secrecy and power.
3. Until this Truth Embargo is ended there will be no public access to technologies derived from ET vehicles at a time of mounting economic and environmental challenges

It ... will run through January when the new prez takes over."

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Glad I read this thread completely before answering.
Buddha said: If you still need rules you're only on the first step of the stairs to enlightenment.
There are forum guidelines but nobody reads them but they still hit the "I agree" button.

Bill I totally agree with what you wrote and I don't think it is about the same as what Kerry wrote.
The difference is very clear:
Civilization is one thing we acquired we should not give up.
If moderation is needed for that: So be it.
As long as we see grafitti where it shouldn't be, burned-out cars along the streets and little boys with guns we'll need some moderators, at least until the first rush is over and the ones that only come to prevent evolution (as they come to EVERY forum: see if we can ***c things up, just for the fun of it) are eliminated.

I'd say: Keep up the good works.

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Hi Friends

This is going to be fun.....

Been waiting for a while to share a few things.




In fact I agree with many here even with those who seemingly contradict each other, as this is the Uranus paradox of change now in play opposing Saturn, where opposites can be true.

Doodah is right, in my opinion, as is Anchor and Peer. I agree definitely with starskipper and HD.

Peer is right in the sense that if we need rules we are toast. I grew up around a general who taught us young officers who did special forces type stuff the exact same thing: "If I have to teach you rules you can leave here now."


I also have moderators in my forum but certainly not to police members, but to be of help to them if they wish something.

Things have been mismanaged from day one here, and since no one asked me I said not much, except when all my threads were deleted. That right there was a sign of the "in your face" kind. Well okay lets face it now and look at it honestly, for instance look at my thread of today as one example.

I offered two days ago a tame and totally non-conflictual beautiful audio video series which my webmaster created to show we can enhance a simple 15 minutes audio call (with Kerry and Bill) into something meaningful artsy and timeless, until some trouble makers came in to throw their illiterate weights around to talk about other things not to do ´with the thread subject, and even admit they did not bother watch the videos.

Look I know full well they are egged on by some THING or some ONE to go after my threads and my person, because I am by now probably the only witness who can take this nonsense.

You think I really care about predictions? Gimme a break. I have more important things going on in my existence.


THIS HERE IS A STANDARD OLD PARADIGM MODEL OF MESSING THINGS UP
AND MAYBE THERE IS MORE BEHIND IT WHICH WE SHALL LEAVE UNSAID....


If you wish to fix it, go back to the root of the issue.


How do you expect TRUE & REAL whistleblowers to come in and talk in such a climate where they see people fight among each other at all levels and disorder reigns supreme and witnesses get attacked etc etc.?

I have many REAL whistleblowers who came to me and told me their stories, deep trajectories, profound stuff about things I wont mention here, about among other things this very Forum is supposed to disclose. And they all tell me one thing: "Whatever you do dont fry me the way you got fried."

Simultaneously, (like hour by hour), to give myself and you the feedback -- I look into my own radiant zone forum and everything is peaceful harmonious, beautiful and artistic. People are making friends, trust is being established, relationships are formed, work gets done, and no one asks anyone for anything, except maybe help, if they are so inclined.

We have no rules at my place - the only thing we SUGGEST to our friends is to watch a series of 18 one hour videos showing Krishnamurti and Anderson PBS 1974, which many do as outside readers before signing in.

We suggest this because we know that then most questions are answered and our friends begin their own quests and join in a spirit of "thinking together"...

The only purpose we gave is we develop and build radiant zones network.


So I can tell you with absolute certainty that it has to do with what type of energy you deal with. To be blunt you get back what you hand out. Sure, bring in the types of ingredients and elements skipper mentioned in his point by point memo, and you ask for trouble.

I have been saying it for ages, quit interviewing these nutcases I leave unnamed! I gave you in 2006 and ongoing a list of decent human beings who know very important things. If they saw this forum, they would run for the hills. Instead you have the MKULtra.nutcases who get the 12 hours series videos to expound on what is irrelevant to what we want to achieve.

That is what then attracts the strange energies here.

And it is not true that only a few ruled over many for 5,000 years or more, that is once again a UK type falsification of History, we had peaceful Celts in 500 BC in Europe, and peaceful Natives all around the world even until 1500 AD in the Americas, before the Romans started their number on us in Europe and expanding their garbage then from the UK, which is what is in the "end time" party now.

A Roman empire about to crack up for good, while Persia and Russia reorganizes.

Does anyone of you study HPH? Yeaj sure, so you have to pay for it, so what? That is what the man does for a living, analyze language.

As I stated as a seer, I suspect (read "I know") that MANY more than you think are depressed that the Roman empire is going down the tubes and they are scared of what is next.

And so what do they do? They attack the ones who bring back the ancient Light. Sure, attack the ones who are helpful, that is logical psychology among the mass psychotic.

It is not just the "rulers" who are the problem so much, it is the masses who do not want change of any kind unless they can delegate it to some controller puppet whoever it is.

What is next is that a few enlightened ones take over and self-organize, like the FREE LAKOTA BANK did today, like many of my friends' radiant zones are doing without any fear, and this causes also jealousy among many who are stuck in a system they helped promote and be in.

Some of us did the home work for something like 20-40 years if you can imagine, they didnt just read some new age nonsense and parrotted a few lines from it. Yes it will take more than that to induce real change, and a radical transmutation of the mind.

So you have only yourself to blame for what goes upside down. And this is what we see going on here.

Attack the Archetypes, Krishnamurti, Shatner, Palin, John Lear, St.Clair, and a hundred more I forget, etc. and then hope for the best? How stupid can it get?

We have shown that you can run virtual zones with 300 people without a single altercation. Except maybe some of my old orbiters I had to ask to clear out in quiet, we know we can create peace if everyone understands VOLITIONALLY and without rules, what this means.

We dont want "fans" or "followers" and we sure dont want obnoxious ones, orbiters, stalkers, demented ones, and aplhabeth soup religionists agents sent in by whoever, try SCN !! Yes SCN. Or like Kerry once said to me: "Star-Fu...rs."

And so yes, you see, in the end, you will not have too many who are mature enough to DO what I suggested we do.

You receive what you sow, it is that simple.

HD was totally correct, about the "gullible" issue, and so was in his own way also John Lear and I know at times I am in the middle of the firing lines between the two of them, and in a way BOTH are right.

Look i dont care what everyone thinks of me, and I will begin to say what I know is the truth, I have for many years just observed to be sure I was really indeed seeing what I was seeing. At times I felt it is so surreal that I better look twice to be sure i dont have bad eye vision.

OK get ready for some really uncomfortable observations of many decades of experienced observations i can share with you.

I will launch a video pod cast series and begin to share what i really know.

The farce has lasted long enough.

Lets try get on with each other if we are at all serious about REAL change.

Thanks for reading.


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