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Old 11-04-2008, 08:56 PM   #1
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Default Holographic planes vs the real thing?

I was wondering if anyone has thought to look for the real aircraft that John Lear says they didn't use.

Logic would tell me that all the flights that the gov. said crashed into buildings and the pentagon and a field, existed on manafest at the airports, and if the images we saw were just holograms and not the real thing, then the aircraft in question still exist. Some of these aircraft were fairly new and made of millions of parts. Most of those parts have numbers to track them and would still be somewhere.

If John is right then there is evidence out there still flying around us. Let's look for it. It would seem a simple thing for the right person or pesons to find one peice of an airplane that is said to be distroyed, but isn't. Let;s find the proof. They probably hid it in plain sight because they thought nobody would be looking for it...

I was just wondering if anyone has looked...does anyone out there have the answer to this, I would really like to know...
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:45 AM   #2
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It's a lesser known fact that until the gov. agents came out and started telling people a plane had hit the pentagorn all the eyewitnesses said it was a missle or light aircraft. After the agents/media started informing people about New York, it suddenly became an airplane.

No holographic images used there, they would have been picked up by the security camera footage available on google and such.

Also, its plain as day that it was infact two planes that struck the trade centres. I forget what the video is called on youtube and can't find it at the moment but there is a current theory that one of the planes was infact a military liner, not an American Airlines jet.

Getting a holographic image to be that stable to pull off a stunt like that is a very difficult, nigh on impossible task, especially in daylight where holographics are at their weakest and are not able to pull off a "solid" appearance, i sideline in the area of holographics and know this as fact. To pull it off multiple times in all that commotion in different places is just not possible.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:26 PM   #3
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Icke says that the right part of the brain can see trhought this holographic plane and are awsome.


BUT the fact is that we have 2 parts in the brain.

The left part makes the homes in where we live and the bridges, etc. because we live in this world and to hava confort we must use the left part of the brain.

Or we can live with the wolves in tents in a jungle?

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Old 11-05-2008, 02:06 PM   #4
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Im leaning on the Holographic planes. There is some good you tube stuff on this that show alot of inconsistencies, not to mention all the missing plane parts. Anyone claiming they know what level of tech is out there and this is not possible is full of the sheeet to me. I also like the beam weapons used on the towers, everything is dust and the molten core at the bottom. When they fall its lilke a spray on the top. The beam makes sense. Just reaching my feelers into another level of the sci fi conspiracy here. Truly is a matrix. Just watching all the affect of people after the elections. This sense of hope. Just what the big boys want at the top.

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Old 11-05-2008, 06:00 PM   #5
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You are all missing the point. We were told what flights hit what, those flights had aircraft assigned to them. those aircraft are real, if they did not get distroyed then there is proof out there of it. If the real aircraft hit the buildings then they are distroyed, if some other means was use as aserted by John, then the aircraft still exist. This is a simple logic, Were the planes that we were told distroyed/or not? If the answer is not, then there should be proof of it out there.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:46 PM   #6
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They didnt even find as much as a wing-nut, i think it was a ET thing? so do others i'ts been going on for thousands of years we are in the process of a clean-up by them according to Lou Bandi aka (sleeper).
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Even if a switch was done with the aircraft in question, there would be a paper trail. Numbered aircraft the doesn't exist or something. Every little thing that every airline does has a paper trail.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:15 PM   #8
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Even if a switch was done with the aircraft in question, there would be a paper trail. Numbered aircraft the doesn't exist or something. Every little thing that every airline does has a paper trail.
The paper trail associated with the "on-board passengers" was questionable/incomplete. The social security death index of the "passenger victims" was also suspect.


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Old 11-05-2008, 07:20 PM   #9
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My daughters boyfriend was working on some skyscrapers across from the twin towers when the planes hit. He and his crew are "sky walkers".
They are aboriginals from Canada who were working on the steel girders for a large skyscraper. They heard and saw the planes before they hit.

But, they cannot explain for the life of them, how those planes could take down the entire buildings. Lots of damage yes, but not total destruction.

They now believe that it was orchestrated to coincide with the planes hitting the buliding (for show), and bombs being deployed underground, for total destruction.

This is the feeling I have also.

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Although I am open to the possibility of many things, the theory that there were no planes is supported very weakly. Here is the website for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a group of over 520 proffessional architects and engineers (along with 2700 supporters) who are demanding a truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11 because of much very strong evidence which indicates that explosives were used to take down WTC 1, 2, and 7.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

On this site, you can watch the presentation by one of the founding members, Richard Gage AIA, in which he highlights the inconsistencies of the "official story" and also presents evidence of explosives used. Richard Gage is speaking in London at UCL tomorrow to give his presentation to many more proffessional architects and engineers and anyone else who wants to come. You can reserve a ticket at gageinlondon.blogspot.com (£5). Show up early if you are going to come! There is going to be a huge turnout.
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Although I am open to the possibility of many things, the theory that there were no planes is supported very weakly. Here is the website for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a group of over 520 proffessional architects and engineers (along with 2700 supporters) who are demanding a truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11 because of much very strong evidence which indicates that explosives were used to take down WTC 1, 2, and 7.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

What proof can you point to in supporting the use of planes? None of the video I watched convinced me of real planes. The plane holes on -both- buildings were located on the computer floors, ideal locations for the black op team to rig the exterior columns with explosives to create plane-shape cutouts.



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Old 11-05-2008, 09:14 PM   #12
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I seen people say that they saw the plane from the street and it was NOT a comercial airliner and had no windows on it's side etc, just a short moment after it happened. severall people who said the same thing.

BUT, If they did not use the planes, what happened to all the people in the planes?? where did they go?? I have been thinking about that alot. Many families are missing family members from the planes.
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A lot of info from Eddie NWO hope it helps brains get elasticity.

Good Luck


Do you know of John Lear, the UFO investigator?

You should really watch his entire interview by Project Camelot (4-part and prox 4 hours), he did mention about the planes being holographic and the whole explosion was an experiment to test the readiness of the coming NASA NSA 'Bluebeam Project', the new world order fake UFO attack that will subdue the whole world.

Here is part one... its a very entertaining interview. also check out the site www. projectcamelot. org



I did post a megapost about WTC being destroyed by direct energy weapons, because there were footages of laser beam pointed at the 2nd tower before it was hit... or maybe it was a autopilot GUIDANCE system because the maneuver was simply impossible for amateur cave dwelling terrorists.

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LASER BEAM SPOTTED ON WTC BEFORE COLLISION


Discovery Future Weapons - Direct Energy Weapon


Direct Energy Weapons on Humans pt - 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZD__qb2uHA

Direct Energy Weapons on Humans pt - 2/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak2j9x9Ts_k
Direct Energy Weapons on Humans pt - 3/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKS9X-Keww4

Laser weapons used on 9-11? part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5_H_tCbfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrY2OrL6szw

Laser weapons used on 9-11 part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CpWY71o6fg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yA_sf-exvA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMOAVAxtUP0








MILITARY TESTS PLANE WITH ANTI MISSILE LASER August 14, 2008 - A powerful laser designed to shoot ballistic missiles out of the sky has been successfully test-fired for the first time, It is destined to fly on board a modified Boeing 747 aeroplane as part of a US air defence fleet

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Tactical Laser Could Work Like Long-Range Napalm
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Wired. com
By David Hambling
September 06, 2008

http://blog. wired. com/defense/2008/09/tactial-laser-l. html

In science fiction, it's one zap of a laser gun, and you're dead. But real-life energy weapons likely won't work that way

Take the Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) that U.S. Special Forces have begun to test-fire. Intended for "covert strikes," the ATL has been sold on its ability to blast away with pinpoint accuracy. A very rough estimate shows, however, that the effects when you target an individual are not quite what you might expect

The ATL's laser beam is widely quoted as being ten centimeters wide at the target. It's exact power has never been stated, but it's somewhere in the hundred-kilowatt class. (The ATL has a single 12,000 lb laser module while the "megawatt class" Airborne Laser fourteen modules each of which is slightly larger, so a hundred kilowatts looks like a reasonable estimate. In addition a hundred kilowatts was the power of the original flying laser, the Airborne Laser Laboratory, and it's the target which new solid state lasers are aiming for, so it seems to be a sort of benchmark for weapons-grade lasers.) It may be somewhat higher (or lower). But by applying a little basic physics we can get a ballpark estimate of what this might do to flesh. For simplicity, I'll assume flesh has similar properties to water. The heat capacity of water is about 4.2 joules per gram per degree centigrade. The heat of vaporization (the energy needed to turn water at boiling point to steam) is 2261 joules per gram

So if the beam stays on the same spot of the target for a full two seconds –- which is a very long time under the circumstances –- it would in theory boil off a disc around one centimeter deep. In real life, the laser would be much less effective, as smoke and steam would rapidly degrade the effectiveness of the beam. Also in real life, the energy is likely to be focused at the center of the beam. And flesh is not water. And nobody is going to hand around being lasered that long… But we're just trying to get a general idea of orders of magnitude here

Bullets are lethal when they damage a vital organ (like the heart or the brain) or when they cause rapid blood loss. Most likely, a laser of this type would not easily be able to go deep enough to affect a vital organ. Plus, the laser would will be self-cauterizing, with the heat sealing off blood vessels. It's not going to kill you quickly

While research in this area tends to be classified. But from what we know, the Air Force considers laser effects on eyes and skin, for the most part. Skin damage is very much easier to achieve than penetration; simply raising skin temperature to (say) 80C/ 180 f to a depth of a couple of millimeters will cause serious blistering (second-third degree burns). If 40% of the body is burned in this way, then the target will be disabled and may die

A rough calculation suggests that exposed skin would be blistered/burned in under a twentieth of a second, so the beam could play over the target at quite a high rate. It's unclear whether clothing would have much protective effect or whether it would simply ignite and cause secondary burns

So instead of "zap-and-you're-dead" in normal science fiction style, with a hundred kilowatt laser, it's more a matter of spraying the target all over to ensure they're done. The description of the ATL as a "long range blow torch" is probably quite accurate

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Boeing Tests Entire Weapon System on Advanced Tactical Laser Aircraft
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Boeing News
ST. LOUIS, Aug. 13, 2008

http://www. boeing. com/news/releases/2008/q3/080813a_nr. html

The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] has successfully completed the first ground test of the entire weapon system integrated aboard the Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) aircraft, achieving a key milestone in the ATL Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration program

During the test Aug. 7 at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., the ATL aircraft, a C-130H, fired its high-energy chemical laser through its beam control system. The beam control system acquired a ground target and guided the laser beam to the target, as directed by ATL's battle management system. The laser passes through a rotating turret on the aircraft's belly

"By firing the laser through the beam control system for the first time, the ATL team has begun to demonstrate the functionality of the entire weapon system integrated aboard the aircraft," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems. "This is a major step toward providing the ultra-precision engagement capability that the warfighter needs to dramatically reduce collateral damage"

After conducting additional tests on the ground and in the air, the program will demonstrate ATL's military utility by firing the laser in-flight at mission-representative ground targets later this year

On May 13, the high-energy laser was fired aboard the ATL aircraft for the first time, demonstrating reliable operations previously achieved in a laboratory. During that test, an onboard calorimeter captured the laser beam before it left the aircraft

ATL, which Boeing is developing for the U.S. Department of Defense, will destroy, damage or disable targets with little to no collateral damage, supporting missions on the battlefield and in urban operations. Boeing's ATL industry team includes L-3 Communications/Brashear, which made the laser turret, and HYTEC Inc., which made various structural elements of the weapon system


Fox – Right Out Of Star Wars? New Airborne Laser Cannon Can Melt A Hole In A Tank From 5 Miles Away


March 31, 2008 - Boeing released this promotional video for the YAL-1 Airborne Laser, a modified 747-400 that is being developed to shoot down ballistic missiles during the first few minutes of flight


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Boeing News
ST LOUIS
Aug. 13, 2008

http://www. boeing. com/news/releases/2008/q3/080813a_nr. html

The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] has successfully completed the first ground test of the entire weapon system integrated aboard the Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) aircraft, achieving a key milestone in the ATL Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration program

During the test Aug. 7 at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., the ATL aircraft, a C-130H, fired its high-energy chemical laser through its beam control system. The beam control system acquired a ground target and guided the laser beam to the target, as directed by ATL's battle management system. The laser passes through a rotating turret on the aircraft's belly

"By firing the laser through the beam control system for the first time, the ATL team has begun to demonstrate the functionality of the entire weapon system integrated aboard the aircraft," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems. "This is a major step toward providing the ultra-precision engagement capability that the warfighter needs to dramatically reduce collateral damage"

After conducting additional tests on the ground and in the air, the program will demonstrate ATL's military utility by firing the laser in-flight at mission-representative ground targets later this year

On May 13, the high-energy laser was fired aboard the ATL aircraft for the first time, demonstrating reliable operations previously achieved in a laboratory. During that test, an onboard calorimeter captured the laser beam before it left the aircraft

ATL, which Boeing is developing for the U.S. Department of Defense, will destroy, damage or disable targets with little to no collateral damage, supporting missions on the battlefield and in urban operations. Boeing's ATL industry team includes L-3 Communications/Brashear, which made the laser turret, and HYTEC Inc., which made various structural elements of the weapon system


AA flight forced to make emergency landing in LAX Los Angeles, smoke spewing out of plane - Aug 5, 2008

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Jet Evacuated After Emergency Landing at LAX
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Passenger plane evacuated after emergency landing at Los Angeles International Airport

The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES August 5, 2008 (AP)

Passengers are being evacuated by inflatable chutes from an American Airlines jetliner after an emergency landing at Los Angeles International Airport


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_iTx6niQw



Discovery Future Weapons - Boeing ABL anti-missile laser

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Boeing Airborne Laser Team Begins Testing Laser with Chemical Fuel
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Monday, Jul 28, 2008

http://www. yourdefencenews. com/news_item. php?newsID=8381

ST LOUIS, July 28, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA], industry teammates and the U.S Missile Defense Agency have completed installing the high-energy laser aboard the Airborne Laser (ABL) aircraft and have begun testing the laser with its chemical fuel at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif

The tests involve flowing the laser's chemicals through the laser to confirm sequencing and control Once these tests are completed, the test team will fire the laser aboard the aircraft on the ground for the first time

"The Airborne Laser team has done a great job preparing the high-energy laser for these fuel tests, which will lead the way toward achieving 'first light' of the laser aboard the aircraft," said Mike Rinn, Boeing vice president and ABL program director "Once again, we made and demonstrated enormous progress toward ushering in a new age of directed-energy weapons"

Repeated laser firings aboard the aircraft will demonstrate lasing duration and power at levels suitable for the destruction of multiple classes of ballistic missiles. The laser will then be fired through the aircraft's beam control/fire control system, including the nose-mounted turret. This will be followed by functional check flights of the entire ABL weapon system The test campaign will start with the first airborne intercept of a ballistic missile in 2009

The ABL aircraft consists of a modified Boeing 747-400F whose back half holds the high-energy laser, designed and built by Northrop Grumman. Before being installed, the high-energy laser completed rigorous ground testing in a laboratory at Edwards The aircraft's front half contains the beam control/fire control system, developed by Lockheed Martin, and the battle management system, provided by Boeing

Boeing is the prime contractor for ABL, which will provide speed-of-light capability to destroy all classes of ballistic missiles in their boost phase of flight



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American Airlines Testing Anti-Missile Technology
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WasIoFGRbHU


CBS News
Jul 16, 2008

http://wbztv. com/local/airplane. safety. boston. 2. 772779. html

BOSTON (WBZ) ― You can almost touch the planes as they roar over Point Shirley in Winthrop on their way to Logan Airport. The passengers were checked for explosives before they got on, however, a growing concern is what could happen away from the airport: Terrorist firing a shoulder launched-missile just outside the airport's property The light weight weapons are becoming and more available on the black market, as many as 150,000 are believed to be in circulation and can easily bring down a plane

But now American Airlines is flying with new defensive technology on some of its New York to Los Angeles flights

Developed in New Hampshire by defense contractor, BAE Systems, the cross country passenger jets are now equipped with a laser deterrent system mounted on the plane's belly. It can identify and misdirect an incoming missile It's being tested for Homeland Security

Laurie Nuzzo is the Program manager for BAE Systems in Nashua New Hampshire where technology was developed. "Over several years we have been testing and validating the system So now it is really great to see us now at this point on an in service passenger aircraft"

American Airlines is not using the technology on any Boston-based flights. At $1 million per plane, the missile defense system is expensive Nonetheless passenger we spoke to like the idea

"No one is going to catch you by surprise now, maybe it will save lives," said one traveler

BAE Systems is one of two defense contractors hoping to win a government contract Congress will decide the future of this technology before next summer

Experts say as many as 27 different terrorists organizations have the shoulder missile weapons They sell for as little as $10,000



Feds adding ANTI EXPLOSION DEVICES on American airlines 7-16-08



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ8fHeRaGGI



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Beleaguered American cancels 900 more flights
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Carrier inspects wiring on MD-80s; estimated 250,000 travelers affected

Associated Press
4-10-08

http://www. msnbc. msn. com/id/24029455/

DALLAS - American Airlines canceled more than 900 flights Thursday to fix faulty wiring in hundreds of jets, marking the third straight day of mass groundings as company executives offered profuse apologies and travel vouchers to calm angry customers

American, the nation’s largest carrier, has now scrubbed more than 2,400 flights since Tuesday, when federal regulators warned that nearly half its planes could violate a safety regulation designed to prevent fires

That’s more than one in three flights canceled over the last three days

Daniel Garton, an executive vice president of American, said cancellations could extend into Friday

Slow process
A return to normal operations depends on how quickly mechanics can inspect and fix the wire bundles Airline spokesman Tim Wagner said late Wednesday afternoon that 60 planes had been cleared to fly, 119 were being worked on, and 121 planes had not yet been inspected

The fallout could be seen at airport ticket counters, where frustrated customers bickered with American employees, and on the stock market, where shares of American’s parent company tumbled more than 11 percent Wednesday

American estimates that more than 100 passengers would have been on each of those canceled flights That means a quarter-million people have been inconvenienced this week

Airline executives said they thought they had fixed the wiring two weeks ago, when they canceled more than 400 flights to inspect and in some cases fix the shielding around the wires in their MD-80 aircraft

But this week, Federal Aviation Administration inspectors (FAA), who have been conducting stepped-up surveys of airline compliance with safety rules called airworthiness directives, said 15 of 19 American jets they examined flunked That left the airline no choice but to ground all 300 of its MD-80s, the most common jet in American’s 655-plane fleet

“We have obviously failed to complete the airworthiness directive to the precise standards that the FAA requires, and I take full responsibility for that,” Gerard Arpey, American’s chairman and chief executive, said at an industry event in California

The FAA's second wave of audits will go on until June 30, The New York Times reported on Thursday, so the misery for flyers could go on for months

American VP apologizes
Back at American’s headquarters in Fort Worth, Garton apologized for the snafu and vowed the airline would fix the problem this time

“We simply cannot put our customers through this again,” he said

Garton added that for American, “this certainly couldn’t have come at a worse time” The airline faces record fuel prices and fear of a recession, and analysts forecast that its parent, AMR Corp, lost more than $300 million in the first three months of the year

American declined to say how much it would spend on $500 travel vouchers and hotel rooms for stranded travelers and overtime for mechanics, or how much revenue it would lose by putting some displaced customers on other airlines But Garton said it would be “significant”

Perhaps worried about that cost, investors on Wednesday sent AMR shares down $115 to $917

American’s problem — and Alaska Airlines’ cancellation of 14 flights Wednesday to inspect its nine MD-80s — stems from an FAA order in 2006 covering the bundling of wires in the backup power system for the fuel pump of the MD-80 The FAA says improperly bundled wires could rub, leading to an electrical short or even fire

American officials said the safety of their planes was never jeopardized, and the FAA said no serious incidents have been blamed on poorly bundled wires

‘We’re a little skeptical’
Some passengers took a jaundiced view toward American’s promise to fix the problems

Kathy Neer of Santa Fe, N.M., was caught up in both waves of cancellations to and from a vacation in Paris She and her husband were stranded in Dallas on Tuesday on the final leg of their journey home American gave the Neers a voucher for a hotel room and seats on another flight home Wednesday

“They say our flight is leaving at 3:55 p.m, but do you think we trust them?” Neer said “After being burned twice, we’re a little skeptical”


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Anti-missile lasers installed on American Airline flights


ABL or BAE laser SPOTTED ON WTC 2nd tower during 9-11 - remote guidance systems?
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:25 PM   #14
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A little syncronicity.

Holographic reporter. CNN

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What proof can you point to in supporting the use of planes? None of the video I watched convinced me of real planes. The plane holes on -both- buildings were located on the computer floors, ideal locations for the black op team to rig the exterior columns with explosives to create plane-shape cutouts.



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Hey feeler, thanks for responding to my comment. Like I said before, I am open to many things, and perhaps there were no planes, but as of now,there is more evidence suggesting that the planes were real and that explosives were used to bring down the towers. Just wondering, do you believe that space beams brought the towers down or that explosives brought the tower down? Quite a lot of people who believe that there were no planes also believe that high energy space beams were used in the towers' destruction. I think it is obvious that there are a lot of disinfo people out there, but hopefully with good efforts and research we can become a part of the solution (figuring out what really happened) and not a part of the problem (blindly following what certain persons may say without investigation). It can be intimidating learning of or meeting people who have different "knowledge" of what did or didn't happen, but hopefully we can make it through.
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Hey feeler, thanks for responding to my comment. Like I said before, I am open to many things, and perhaps there were no planes, but as of now,there is more evidence suggesting that the planes were real and that explosives were used to bring down the towers. Just wondering, do you believe that space beams brought the towers down or that explosives brought the tower down? Quite a lot of people who believe that there were no planes also believe that high energy space beams were used in the towers' destruction. I think it is obvious that there are a lot of disinfo people out there, but hopefully with good efforts and research we can become a part of the solution (figuring out what really happened) and not a part of the problem (blindly following what certain persons may say without investigation). It can be intimidating learning of or meeting people who have different "knowledge" of what did or didn't happen, but hopefully we can make it through.

If you go to Dr. Judy Woods' web site, you will find charts that reflect the magnetic shift at the times of the plane impacts and "collapses." Particle beam weapons could have been situated on the ground, inside nearby buildings, or on top of nearby buildings (therefore the term "space beam" might not be entirely accurate). Explosives were used to give the impression of a gravity collapse, but the primary method of destruction was the directed energy weapons that disintegrated the concrete and softened the steel.

Recent earthquakes in other parts of the world also raised attention to the HAARP technology that the government has developed. Frequent bridge collapses in recent years also increased speculation on the possible use of directed energy weapons. -feeler
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:19 AM   #17
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Holograms can't be tracked or give a radar return like planes do.

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Old 11-06-2008, 12:47 AM   #18
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Radar deception through phantom track generation. But again this is academic.


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Old 11-06-2008, 12:52 AM   #19
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Controllers at the Boston Center knew American Airlines Flight 11, which departed at 7:59 a.m. ET from Boston for its flight to Los Angeles, was hijacked 30 minutes before it crashed. They tracked it to New York on their radar scopes.

"I watched the target of American 11 the whole way down," said Boston controller Mark Hodgkins. But it was only when the television pictures of a burning World Trade Center tower came on, that he knew why the flight had disappeared from his scope.

For Doug McKay, a 20-year veteran at the Boston Center, the hijacked flights hit much closer to home.

Before he left for work on Sept. 11, he heard on radio and television that the World Trade Center's North Tower had been hit. As he was watching the news report, he saw the second flight slam into the South Tower.

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Old 11-06-2008, 02:23 AM   #20
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Radar deception through phantom track generation. But again this is academic.


https://labs.tdl.org/tdl/handle/1969.1/3169
The thesis is from 2005. It presupposes that the ECAVs themselves have 360 degrees stealth capability because the scenario is in an area of enclosed radar coverage. By design they will be limited to the size required by their radars. And that, in this scenario, the ECAV's would need to engage all radars in the covered area including NORAD, unlike in offensive ECM scenarios where the outer fringes are probed and stealth is at its highest (generally frontal radar cross section).

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Old 11-06-2008, 10:11 AM   #21
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Sweet lord of mercy people really will latch on to anything regardless of how ludicrous it is.

"What proof can you point to in supporting the use of planes? None of the video I watched convinced me of real planes. The plane holes on -both- buildings were located on the computer floors, ideal locations for the black op team to rig the exterior columns with explosives to create plane-shape cutouts."


Honestly the single most ridiculous thing i have read on here, and perhaps, anywhere, ever.

It boggles my mind that people think this. The planes were tracked independantly via radar, there are thousands of eyewitneses, the physical evidence from the vids/pics/wreckage of the towers supports the inclusion of the planes.

Agreed, the manner of collapse and explanation that it was the planes that caused the actual collapses is highly suspect, but to think people would make light and fantastic claims over a serious world shattering event like this makes me not only deeply concerned but horrified and sickened.

The beliefs/views i have on the 9/11 event do not try to trivialize it in any way, they do not try to make it into some fantastical magical mystery of lights and sound. Its deception over the truth of the manner of collapse, and the evidence of who was really behind it.

Lest not you forget that hundreds of people, people with families, some of which may be present on this very forum, died onboard those planes and thousands more in the buildings. I cannot countenance anyone making claims that trivialize the pain and misery brought upon the victims families on that day.

You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves, and get back on track with the disclosure of the real issues.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:23 AM   #22
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"Honestly the single most ridiculous thing i have read on here, and perhaps, anywhere, ever.

It boggles my mind that people think this. The planes were tracked independantly via radar, there are thousands of eyewitneses, the physical evidence from the vids/pics/wreckage of the towers supports the inclusion of the planes."


Wake up and Believe ;0

can you please point me to the wreckage pics of the plane - the engine was from a different type of plane altogether - the piece with the windows intact when everything else shredded to fine dust - come on - open your eyes to the truth
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:54 AM   #23
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My eyes are open, and what kind of proof can you offer me otherwise?

Open your eyes, if i'm the one that needs "convincing", convince me.

Trouble is you can't, don't decry my not believing this toss because my eyes are closed, thats weak and not even a valid arguement.

Point me to the proof that they were holographic, point me to the proof that they didnt exist, point me to the thing that, in your bent view, explains what happened to the people aboard those planes.

The real problem here is your looking further and further into things looking to make an even bigger demon out of the USA gov't.

I'm from the UK, i am seeing this from the outside, and all i can see is closed minds belonging to those that claim to be open. Your looking for mystery beyond conspiracy beyond lies. Its not there, wake up.

Ever heard of Occam's Razor? good rule of thumb, here i'll show you...

"One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything" attb. William Occam (nay Okham)
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:07 PM   #24
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Callidon,
Im speculating about the possilbility of holograms to further understand the matrix im in. And please dont use the people who died at 911 to validate your frustrated emotions of not knowing what reality is.

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Old 11-06-2008, 02:34 PM   #25
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I think you'll find that i'm not "using the people" the plain simple fact is you seem to all be glossing over the horror of that day.

In my opinion i have a far stronger grasp on what reality is, reality is my partner and kids, my job, my family, the way my dog looks at me when i pick up his lead, the wind in the tree's and the rain. Reality is not looking for explanations to things which require no explanation, just the details fleshing out. I believe whole heartedly that we have all been decieved as to what really went on on that september morning. We still don't really know who was behind it, or how the jet fuel on board the planes, which would have burnt rapidly, managed to bring the towers down (in my opinion, by controlled means). I don't believe for one second that it was all smoke and mirrors.

You all preach, yes preach, freedom of mind and voice, but your constant decrying of anyone that doesn't share your veiws is startlingly oppressive. Every single thread on here started, or replied to in a manner that does not support the OP or the communities beliefs gets shot down with moralistic arguements like "And please dont use the people who died at 911 to validate your frustrated emotions of not knowing what reality is."

I have no frustrated emotions. You believe that you know my state of mind and feelings better than i know them myself? I am merely speaking out against something that i happen to believe is the biggest pile of **** around about the 9/11 incedent, and that i personally find to be ridiculously unfeasable. I can give you a garauntee that i am not the only person on this forum that believes such.

I'm not trying to get personal with anyone, so don't come over all high station that its just my emotions, or that your moral view is more valid. Everyones opinion is valid, this threads opinion is that it was smoke and mirrors, mine, as you can see, is quite strongly opposed to that theory, that does not mean i think your opinion is not valid.

You want me to wake up and smell the arabica beans? Open my eyes to the light?


Show me.

100% undeniably.

And i'll take it all back.
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