Anti-Doom Thread --

[Magii]

I'm really starting to wonder about all the DOOM Threads on here ..

How about .. words from a wise men says ...about the following

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– The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008
Wise man says "No"
– The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009
Wise man says "Not Happening"
– The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse
Wise man says "Nix on the Civil war"
– The advance round-ups of “insurgent U.S. Citizens” likely to move against the government – The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States
Wise man says "Paranoia run amuck"
– The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses
– The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest
Wise man says "Not at all"
– The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union
– The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.
Wise man says "Certainly there are many voices screaming "fire" and hoping to cause a stampede. The gloomers are salivating, hoping for a total collapse of the bastion of democracy and freedom.

They will fail"

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DOOM & Gloom are great money makers .. dont get trapped - if u see people selling books, audio or whatever - put your thinking caps on !

I agree. 2012 seems to be becoming a good business for some people.

I often thought this myself.

[Racsouran]

when the owners of this site starting asking for money, i felt somehow not surprised, but deceived at the same time. they did it wrong. this forum is not heaven, or something to worship, keep your eyes open, and if, asked for money, don´t give it.

i frequent forums with 35000 members, with tenths more activity than this one, and never asked for money, don´t be stupid, don´t fall on that.

It´s all ******* business.

[Zarathustra]

M,

I am not selling anything, and if the message of your post is to remain calm in troubled times, I can agree. If the message of your post is to caution against jumping to conclusions, I can agree. However, if the message of your post is to conclusively state that those things are not possible, and with certainty not going to happen, then I cannot agree, for that is no better than panicking for no reason.

As an easy example, were you to tell an average citizen of Germany in 1928 that their nation was headed towards a tyranical form of government that would play a major role in the deaths of millions, they would likely and understandably scoff at the notion.

There is a subtle, but important distinction between doomsaying and turning a blind eye towards troubling developments. That fine line in the middle is to recognize something for what it is. As an easy example, a law which allows a citizen of the United States to be arrested, detained indefinetly, and not charged for a crime, merely at the whim of the executive branch, does not require hyperbole to be troubling to a keen intellect.

Again, I am not necessarily arguing with you, since I don't know the motivation behind your comments, but I don't agree with the generalization either.

Z

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by suriel

I agree. 2012 seems to be becoming a good business for some people.

I often thought this myself.

Originally Posted by Racsouran

when the owners of this site starting asking for money, i felt somehow not surprised, but deceived at the same time. they did it wrong. this forum is not heaven, or something to worship, keep your eyes open, and if, asked for money, don´t give it.

i frequent forums with 35000 members, with tenths more activity than this one, and never asked for money, don´t be stupid, don´t fall on that.

It´s all ******* business.

I certainly agree with the principle of Caveat Emptor

Well, there are many "wise men" who would differ with you. Forget, for a moment, what you see on Camelot and Rense. Consider the 80 some odd brave members of the U.S. House of Reps. who still voted no today on the bailout. They see something stinks in Rotterdam.

You take issue, much as I do, with those who think they know the exact scenario that will take place. Truth is, they don't. And if one of them does, the waters of information dissemination are so murky that most of us won't pick the right scenario.

So lets go with what we know: 1) everyone feels that something big - for the good or bad (as relative as those terms are) - is happening. A massive sea change is in the air. 2) Given the current power structure and patterns of wealth accumulation, and an understanding of how the very scenario we face today has played out in history, those at the top now will do whatever they have to to ensure continuity in their own lives, such as, say, passing a trillion dollar economic "rescue" that solves nothing for the majority affected by the current economic decline. And, 3) Western culture has deteriorated to the point that any decline in living conditions and wealth will result in the suffering of many - from those willing to victimize, at the very very least, for the fun of it.

You can call it doom and gloom if you wish, perhaps that is indeed the right label. Preparation is the key. No one here should pay for information. If it is meaningful, it will be free.

No one knows the scenario that will play out, the "wise" people (men and women included) will be prepared for them all.

[Zarathustra]

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No one knows the scenario that will play out, the "wise" people (men and women included) will be prepared for them all.[/QUOTE]

well said

[FrostyMcunicron]

i agree its weak when forums start asking for money. i know a certain RU safety awareness site comes to mind and if they were to ask for money for the time donated to maintaining it & organization and mod help many deaths wouldn't be prevented years cause some greedy ego's dick trip, glad to see this site doesnt ask for $ either. Cash(especially the usa $!) is soo worthless.

I suppose the thought power going to the doom factor is strong at this time but i also believe somethings need to spill over before they can get better.

[Magii]

Here is great example of what im reffering to ..

with all the so called DOOM Threads on here ..


Look at this post
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4078


The poster - posts up SUPER DOOM .. aka "Death of 3 Billion"

all based from what a speaker says in some video ..

IF you were to research the speaker

YOu will find .. the Speaker runs a really nice website .. and a really nice Store ... that sells .. Everything that you will need due to the incoming "Doom"

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This reminds of me "George Green"
Talks doom, sells books / gets gigs for speaking

Sadly to say .. this forum was created on his Doom

But there are always wise words that counter or provide wise solutions. I say let both flourish, and let us decide what is worth giving a second read.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Magii

Here is great example of what im reffering to ..

with all the so called DOOM Threads on here ..


Look at this post
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4078


The poster - posts up SUPER DOOM .. aka "Death of 3 Billion"

all based from what a speaker says in some video ..

IF you were to research the speaker

YOu will find .. the Speaker runs a really nice website .. and a really nice Store ... that sells .. Everything that you will need due to the incoming "Doom"

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This reminds of me "George Green"
Talks doom, sells books / gets gigs for speaking

Sadly to say .. this forum was created on his Doom

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in. As a caveat, make sure your facts are correct. As an example, George's books are free. He charges nothing for them, not even the shipping costs. So whether you agree with him or not, earning money is not a factor.

There are many people, speakers, sites, etc... that fall into the description you gave above, but you do a disservice to everyone to unfairly include those that don't belong - equal to the service you do when you expose that which do, not to mention the damage to your own credibility.

Those that promote a dark future from a self promoting and self enriching motivation do great harm, but it can be argued that those that deny the possibility of dark times approaching, especially when incorrect information is the source, do a greater harm.

"Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best" is an approach that has born fruit from the days when a man was attempting to light a fire at will up to today, and everyone must be careful to distinguish between that philosophy and one which sees everything, no matter how innocuous, as the "approaching tsunami".

Your approach to this forum seems to veer too far the other way, purporting that ALL warnings of danger equate to meaningless worry. You might be wise to recall the words of Martin Niemöller, a German citizen who witnessed the rise of National Socialism in Nazi Germany...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

I assume this is not your intention, and I admit that I play the advocatus diaboli intentionally with my replies, but please be careful for your own sake, and the sake of others, to not confuse skepticism with blindness, nor bravery with obedience.

Z

Good and Great God, Z,

Your words are truth.

A powerful rebuttal indeed. It probably does not matter in the long run that I have said so, but I feel compelled to anyway.

[Magii]

Intention is clear ---

I'm Anti Doom, thus Titled Anti-Doom Thread -


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Btw I'm not wrong in saying g.g. sells books.. go to his site .. click on bookstore.. and you will see for urself ... your right about 3 of them being free but the rest are not ..

[QUESTINY]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in. As a caveat, make sure your facts are correct. As an example, George's books are free. He charges nothing for them, not even the shipping costs. So whether you agree with him or not, earning money is not a factor.

There are many people, speakers, sites, etc... that fall into the description you gave above, but you do a disservice to everyone to unfairly include those that don't belong - equal to the service you do when you expose that which do, not to mention the damage to your own credibility.

Those that promote a dark future from a self promoting and self enriching motivation do great harm, but it can be argued that those that deny the possibility of dark times approaching, especially when incorrect information is the source, do a greater harm.

"Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best" is an approach that has born fruit from the days when a man was attempting to light a fire at will up to today, and everyone must be careful to distinguish between that philosophy and one which sees everything, no matter how innocuous, as the "approaching tsunami".

Your approach to this forum seems to veer too far the other way, purporting that ALL warnings of danger equate to meaningless worry. You might be wise to recall the words of Martin Niemöller, a German citizen who witnessed the rise of National Socialism in Nazi Germany...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

I assume this is not your intention, and I admit that I play the advocatus diaboli intentionally with my replies, but please be careful for your own sake, and the sake of others, to not confuse skepticism with blindness, nor bravery with obedience.

Z

Very well said.

[DeadDeadDead]

I think some might be scared of these events actually happening, all I can think about is Star Wars, yeah, good old Star Wars. Yoda says to Anakin, "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose" People have become attached to their paper money, possessions, and even their own body, the "reality" they tell us we live in. "Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is."

Let go of your attachments, learn to grow and progress without them. If they close the banks then find other creative ways to get the things you need to survive. Don't let them control you through your attachments.

If they take my car I'll walk.
If they take my home I'll find a new shelter.

They can tell me what to read
They can sell me what to eat
They can feed me and send me the bill
But they tell me what to feel?

no

If they raise a gun to my head, let them shoot, they'll get nothing from me for I am greater then this crude matter, and I will still love them.

To live in fear is no way to progress and grow. "The fear of loss is a path to the dark side"

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering."

This ain't Star Wars. This is real. Fear has its place, it is up to us to balance it.

[DeadDeadDead]

This ain't Star Wars. This is real. Fear has its place, it is up to us to balance it.

I totally agree.

In a Star Trek episode some one said something like emotions are neither good or bad its what you do with them that determines if they are good or bad.

I choose to acknowledge my fear or anger that comes up, but I accept it as a raw emotion, let it go or turn it into love to direct back at it's origin in attempt to balance.

I'm not saying forget the "real world" and play jedi. I look at Star Wars and take inspiration from there, along with numerous other things. I take ideas and bring them into my life. The concept of the force, the dark and light sides are not just fictional story mechanics the ideas can be brought out and looked at in relation to your own life. Good and positive things.

Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough in my first post there but I thought the overall idea of not letting "them" get to you through fear and control you came through. My intentions were in relation to this thread topic, I intended to plant my feet, stand up to negative "doom" that's been going around a bit. Try to put something positive out there.

Maybe the smiley at the end negated the idea, lol.

You mention balance, they talk about that in Star Wars too! lol.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in.

Z

Incredibly said, you do have a way with words...

I've mentioned before that one of the best places to stumble across truths is right in the center of a conspiracy forum. To many it may seem dark and spooky, but this is how think tanks work to come up with answers before they are needed.

Avalon is about talking about possible future events that can effect us all, and what we are going to do to move forward.

Sure talking about an atomic bomb being dropped 25 miles away is a terrible thought, but what would you do? What type of plan do you have to protect you and your family.

If you've never thought about it, this isn't the worst place to start...

Forget about whether the banks are going to close next week or not, but what would you do if they did, and your cards stopped working?

What do you have now to get the food and supplies you need for your family?

You might never need to know the answer, but wouldn't be good to know if you did?

[Magii]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Incredibly said, you do have a way with words...

I've mentioned before that one of the best places to stumble across truths is right in the center of a conspiracy forum. To many it may seem dark and spooky, but this is how think tanks work to come up with answers before they are needed.

Avalon is about talking about possible future events that can effect us all, and what we are going to do to move forward.

Sure talking about an atomic bomb being dropped 25 miles away is a terrible thought, but what would you do? What type of plan do you have to protect you and your family.

If you've never thought about it, this isn't the worst place to start...

Forget about whether the banks are going to close next week or not, but what would you do if they did, and your cards stopped working?

What do you have now to get the food and supplies you need for your family?

You might never need to know the answer, but wouldn't be good to know if you did?

Thats nice .. alot of what if .. or what if that ..

How about.....
What if no SUPER DOOM is gonna happen .. and we get to live as we are right now .. and generaly moving to a better more positive future ..

Where there is less war, less hunger, less of all the negitive .. and more of the positive!

You can go ahead and research, learn about all the DOOM & Gloom, I do it but thats not gonna be my reality, nor will there ever be enough prep'ing

Welcome to ANTI-DOOM!

[DeadDeadDead]

All the "Gloom and Doomsayers" and "Light and Love of the 1980's" are both needed to give a lot of people, who read and never post, an idea of what choices are available and why. Through the disagreements of both extremes, hopefully a balance can be achieved. This is what this forum is all about. If you don't agree with someone find out why they think and believe the way they do. They may actually have some valid points. This goes for both sides.
Just because you don't believe, doesn't make it not true. Look at the disagreements as a great way to learn not just to prove your limited view. We all have a limited view of the whole. Once we start seeing other views then the picture becomes clearer and eventually the puzzle may be solved.

YES!

If you don't agree with someone find out why they think and believe the way they do. They may actually have some valid points.

awesome.
should be the subtitle to the forum title as a reminder

[larissarissa]

Interesting debate, good points made by all. It's easy to sit around talking about all this stuff, but what can be done? For me the forum is a means of connecting to kindred spirits which feels good, and gathering information which will help make decisions when situations arise.

I don't need to make judgements about whether someone is doing something for the money or if they are for real. My intuition will always let me know if something feels right for me, and this varies from person to person. So to me nobody's right and nobody's wrong, they just are what they are for whatever reason.

No matter how I feel personally, and I've got a lot of feelings, I respect the right of others to feel as they do. I was amused to see one of the threads on this forum closed due to heated personal exchange. If I was paranoid, I would feel that maybe the disruptor was deliberately causing trouble to disable the forum. Who knows?

[Pomguymguy]

The Mere" Thought of It"

"Clif High's unique perspective linguistics model seem to be coming along exactly as described - etc... which then precipitates a series of events doing from bad to worse, etc... we are witnessing a controlled demolition of the global economy.. etc
That was Bills quote, along with many other members perspectives, ideas, etc. following a simular theme.

So we are the so called "Ground Crew" ( Thanks to George Green) "We" project this thought or thoughts ( which then gives that thought more energy) that then goes out into the universe and strengthens the forecast that has been predicted - "We" are giving it focus and fulfilling the prophesy by the mere "thought" of it.
Everything we experiance comes from inside of us created by the function of our own thoughts to produce manifested "Thought Forms" as the "physical reality".

But maybe this is the recession we have to have - a final wake-up call that will shake the western world to the core and a few more will awaken ?

Come on people, we know that this money thing is an illusion - there is in fact no money - or very little of it! 99.99% (or less) is stored on some computer or other such device - but it really is not there. If we all went in and asked to draw our money out ,they could not do it!

Thats part of how they have conned us for sooooooo loooooong guys ! Yet because, in the case of "being in dept", people (sheeple) are reacting to something intangible, mostly fueled by the powerful emotions of fear, (F.E.A.R.) which leads to more worry and despair - and more negative emotion which makes the situation seem even more critical ( at this time)

Then again "Time" does not exist beyond Earth, the only real time is "Now" - so therefore "We" create everything in the Eternal Moment of NOW.
If we carry the notion of fearing what might of might not happpen tomorrow or next week then that's what we create right NOW ( As Clif High's predictions are showing)
Keep in mind that nothing ever happens by chance - we are all where we should be at this "Time" - here NOW to learn certain things, and for this be grateful. Remember, we are all to become enlightened in the end so we can return to the "Source"- For some the journey will take a little longer !

[Rocky_Shorz]

Avalon is a gathering point for many special people, the vibrations so strong I get vertigo being attached...

Imagine being in a group of people that as they read the doom, can bend reality so the outcome changes... We need the dreamers telling us the horrors they are seeing in our future, so we can make the changes needed now to prevent it...

When Henry first said it, I didn't really believe it, now I'm doing it...

[Ampgod]

There is a difference between Doom and straight up probable reality.
I don't believe in dragging others or yourself down at all.
Being educated is a good thing whether it's content is doom ridden or not.


Just my take on this,

Ampgod