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Old 12-12-2009, 03:59 AM   #1
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Hello all;
I am not, and have never been a member of the Church of Scientology, All I have learned in the past 40 years from persons like Ingo Swann, Pat Price, et. al has always been independent of the C of S. I am sorry to learn that some of the greats in Psychic research have been involved with the C of S.
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:07 PM   #2
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I'm not yet fully through the interview... but I think most saddening thing is that the C of S was infultrated and changed and then distroyed from within. So we would all avoid the C of S... I know I avoid them at all Mind |Body Shows as I feel negatively towards them now and maybe rightly so. This doesn't mean the original teachings are not worthwhile... but how do you find these original teachers? Another part of this game we call life...
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Old 12-12-2009, 04:13 PM   #3
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I have not read the interview but I would like to make a point on the messages of religions.

I believe that when a prophet has a religious message, it is not long before this mesage is hijacked by people who want power. These people become 'priests' (in quotation marks because religious leaders have many different titles) of this new message (however, I beleive that many priests and religious people are good people who want to live by the message and spread it.)

These false 'priests' turn the original message to their own ends and eventually, the religion just becomes another vehicle to feed their lusts.

I do not believe in any one religion, but I feel that the orignial messages contain a lot of good information and work. I listened to the bible on MP3 so I could hear the origninal message (as orignial as I could get without learning Hebrew) because I do not want to rely on priests for my development as I am worried that I am handing too much power over to them.

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Old 12-12-2009, 09:42 PM   #4
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I have been in the group since the early fifties, that is last life time and this life time. The technology works unbelievably well if applied standardly. I am a trained auditor and would be happy to answer any questions.

I was Declared 3 years ago for telling my friends and family about what is going on. There is a lot more than was covered in the interview as to what has happened and why. It's a huge topic to cover because it works and that's the reason for the attacks on it.

There are a tremendous amount of pieces to the puzzle in Scientology that Camelot is assembling into a full picture. It doesn't have them all but with the use of some of the techniques, many, many more can be found. This was even suggested by Hubbard in the sixties using the e-meter to do "archaeological" research into precise Earth and Pre-Earth history.

If you need any info, just let me know, happy to help.

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Old 12-13-2009, 01:27 AM   #5
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I'm looking forward to a self-study course.

What is 'Declared'?
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:47 AM   #6
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Yes, more info- please share and thank you for the willingness to do so.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:02 AM   #7
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I am with eleni I would like more info as well.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:05 AM   #8
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Oh and that's Dane Tops by the way.
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:35 AM   #9
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I'm not yet fully through the interview... but I think most saddening thing is that the C of S was infultrated and changed and then distroyed from within. So we would all avoid the C of S... I know I avoid them at all Mind |Body Shows as I feel negatively towards them now and maybe rightly so. This doesn't mean the original teachings are not worthwhile... but how do you find these original teachers? Another part of this game we call life...
You probably already received some replies to your question. Anonymous has gone to great lengths to publish all Hubbard documents, lectures, videos, etc.

Also the Galac_Patra Yahoo Group just installed a website on an international server and I have found it adequate.

Last lifetime I managed to cut short my between lives implanting and landed myself right in the lecture hall of an ongoing Scientology lecture series. Some of the best data I have ever come across. Most of it is compiled and thus some very ancient -- a real time saver, but as always test everything out for oneself.

I spent some interesting times with Hubbard last lifetime and there is nothing better in this world than going CLEAR. IMHO.
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:49 AM   #10
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Hello all;
I am not, and have never been a member of the Church of Scientology, All I have learned in the past 40 years from persons like Ingo Swann, Pat Price, et. al has always been independent of the C of S. I am sorry to learn that some of the greats in Psychic research have been involved with the C of S.
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Probably they were not that involved. Scientology can be used to make what I call polarized demi-gods, which is a misuse of the technology. Easier to control a polarized god than a CLEARED GOD who is merging his polarities.

Every gadget the ETs and Black OPs have is a cheap imitation of what someone who is CLEAR and trained to use his abilities can do with an effortless intention.

For me, it is nose to the grindstone, keep doing my clearing work and see what abilities crop up as a result. I Clear for the sake of Clearing myself and others and not so much for the sake of being a great psychic. I would rather be a great egolessness, lol.

Scientology has two parts: clearing processing, and making modern day magicians (hopefully white magicians). Best advised to take the clearing path before apprenticing to be a new magician-psychic.

Black Ops obviously do not mind and even like to cultivate psychic beings, but they hate and fear CLEARED beings the way vampires snarl at garlic. That is first hand experience, and I have the scars to prove it, LOL.

They should thank me for choosing to clean up the playing field with win-win strategies and processes.
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:56 AM   #11
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I put the interview up in audio format here for those that would prefer to listen to a robot rather the read a monitor.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...01A272033C0B56

Hi Jonathan, yes... please share whatever knowledge you can about how to achieve total recall. Any books you can recommend or online documents even?


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Old 12-13-2009, 05:08 AM   #12
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I was also with Hubbard for a bit last lifetime and if anyone wishes to put more pieces of the puzzle together, PM me.

It is generally agreed in the Freezone that all the good clearing practitioners left CofS and are now in private practice. Same goes for my auditor who has been auditing for 20 years outside the CofS. As with every service profession please employ CAVEAT EMPTOR. Please do not treat it as a religion but as another Clearing modality.

I am very very happy when CofS does manage in spite of upper management to make Clears -- Buffalo Branch just made two clears and I am very happy for them, but they do not have the freedom of expression and response-ability that I enjoy as someone who is CLEARING outside the CofS. Plus I paid tons less than they did.

Where I am going next lifetime I will not be able to take the car or house or closet full of clothes, but my state of CLEAR will come with me into my next wonderful lifetime!!

Thank the Buddha who one day decided to sit down under the Bodhi tree and not get up until he found it.

cheers!
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I have been in the group since the early fifties, that is last life time and this life time. The technology works unbelievably well if applied standardly. I am a trained auditor and would be happy to answer any questions.

I was Declared 3 years ago for telling my friends and family about what is going on. There is a lot more than was covered in the interview as to what has happened and why. It's a huge topic to cover because it works and that's the reason for the attacks on it.

There are a tremendous amount of pieces to the puzzle in Scientology that Camelot is assembling into a full picture. It doesn't have them all but with the use of some of the techniques, many, many more can be found. This was even suggested by Hubbard in the sixties using the e-meter to do "archaeological" research into precise Earth and Pre-Earth history.

If you need any info, just let me know, happy to help.

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Old 12-13-2009, 07:23 AM   #13
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Here's an important source...i think all scientologists should watch.

Warning Contains course language!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUjMz9-W2I
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Old 12-13-2009, 07:29 AM   #14
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Can anyone here give any information or documents concerning R3X? I received a message saying that it is one of the most straight forward clearing methods developed by Ron before scientology was over thrown.

A www search brought up nothing on it yet...
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Old 12-13-2009, 07:43 AM   #15
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Can anyone here give any information or documents concerning R3X? I received a message saying that it is one of the most straight forward clearing methods developed by Ron before scientology was over thrown.

A www search brought up nothing on it yet...
It was I who dropped the word about R3X -- a very straightforward clearing modality. I did a quick Google search and was able to locate the Yahoo Groups that Robert set up. Best to PM me and get his contact info is you wish to get questions answered from the developer of R3X, or sign on with one of his Yahoo Groups and ask questions.

Hope that helps.

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Old 12-13-2009, 07:46 AM   #16
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Here's an important source...i think all scientologists should watch.

Warning Contains course language!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUjMz9-W2I
Yes, I saw that -- he was really upset and I was surprised that the CofS would screw up with such a public person. I hope he continues his Clearing work outside the CofS. All the good auditors left the CofS and are in private practice. One such auditor posts on this forum.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:02 AM   #17
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Bottom line, LRH is doing fine now in his new lifetime here on planet earth, better than ever and, YES, our future is in the stars.

LRH, in his current state of awakeness would more than agree that there is more than one way to ascend to the stars: The topography of consciousness could very well be slightly varied for each one of us. I have not yet done research into this.

More and more I am finding blogs and websites that talk about clearing the spiritual being of fixed dualities and compulsive behaviors, etc. Too numerous to list. CAVEAT EMPTOR and go with your inner knowingness.

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Old 12-13-2009, 02:13 PM   #18
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Anonymous has gone to great lengths to publish all Hubbard documents, lectures, videos, etc..
Any links available? I read the interview fully and am listening now tot the linked interview by Jason...

Is this clearing something you can do on your own or do you need 2 or more people?

Are there any clearing specialists in the UK?
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:57 PM   #19
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Wow! What a difference a day makes in posts.

I went Clear in 59' on Dianetics which was just getting to a speedier result at the time. The state wasn't validated until 3 years ago, trust me you don't want to wait that long to have the state acknowledged.

That being said, Clear is not the end all of end alls and yes, Virginia, believe it or not, there are those who go Clear ( the state of relieving ones self of their current this life reactive mind ) and don't touch any past lives.(( Your reactive mind is a long story but suffice to say it sums up all the negative events you have experienced while under duress of one kind or another as well as losses this life.)) That is odd but does happen on occasion. Past lives are not what you are looking for but they do come up on there own quite frequently as you unburden yourself more and more.

To go Clear , STANDARDLY, one will need an auditor to audit you. Most of the "protestant" auditors outside of the church do charge for their services. An alternative, time consuming but still very, very, effective, is to do it the original way and apply Dianetics to another person and and them to you. Just round robin 3 hours a day each and you will get the job job done in most cases.

The biggest problem in the Organization today is the obfuscation of the correct workable technology. People don't get anywhere without a ridiculous amount of money and then where they get in advancement is questionable due to the alterations. That being said they do get some gains, which is a testament and tribute to how powerful and effective the technology really is.

All of the original works are alive and well outside the church, there are many auditors who practice standard tech to this day. The main idea is it is a workable technology and does work if applied exactly. There are many individuals who have taken it upon themselves to embellish or change the data either for their own benefit or some other reason. Beware of these situations as it will only cause you harm in my experience. In other words if it isn't broke don't "fix" it.

That being said, Clear is not the end but just the beginning. Beyond clear is where you really find who you are and how much you have been tampered with as a being. The end result is you will find out for yourself just WHO YOU ARE, how you got here, and that you CAN be at cause not just for yourself but for everything for the good of all. The abilities that Mr. Tops mentions can be obtained, but, every being has his own talents and the results are for relief of negative gain as a being not to do parlor tricks. If that makes sense?

The things you have gotten yourself into and the beings that allowed you too were not good guys and they have installed things "into" you that you have no idea are there. Hubbard was really intuitive in his methods to find these implants and how they were laid in.

A good reference to start reading is Fundamentals of thought. Pm me if you want to know where to find it. The technology of Scientology is unbelievably unique and applicable to nearly everything. I use it every minute of everyday. Nothing else exists in this universe like it and it is a way out, a very workable way that those with less than honest intentions want to bar for the rest of us.

I am happy to direct , answer, and help if you should need it. It's a blast.

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I'm looking forward to a self-study course.

What is 'Declared'?
It is a term for being ex-communicated. You cannot do services, see friends, family, or business partners who are still in. It is an effective way to isolate you if you know something they don't want others to know. It originall was used to delete anti-social persons out of the group effectively, which number per the tech. 2.5%.

The church has declared 98.5% of the people who were responsible for the churches largest organization and successes at that time in England in the late 60's. Far more than the 2.5%, which is obvious as to why.....

They knew (or know) that the tech. has been changed and needed to be silenced or they would tell everyone. Thus they had to be made into suppressive "lepers" and cast out, like myself.

The church has slowly deleted places, omitted dates, names of people, events etc. from every document they can find to hide their actual changes. They will until a group comes along who has the confront to call them on it and expunge the alterers from the group and restore changes to their original form, intent and workability.

Hope this answers your question.

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Old 12-13-2009, 07:26 PM   #21
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A good reference to start reading is Fundamentals of thought.
Amazon had 3 older hardback copies from 1956... One is on it's way to Essex now
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Old 12-13-2009, 07:53 PM   #22
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Thank you for explaining the meaning of 'Declared'. It must have been tough.

Here is a link to a zip file containing 20 Scientology books including "Fundamentals of Thought" as referenced above.

http://www.scientology-london.com/do...iles/books.zip
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Any links available? I read the interview fully and am listening now tot the linked interview by Jason...

Is this clearing something you can do on your own or do you need 2 or more people?

Are there any clearing specialists in the UK?
That is a good question and I can only answer for myself. I need a clearing practitioner to help me. He charges under $50US per hour and I have a certain disposable income and that is how I am proceeding.

He works over the phone or SKYPE. SKYPE cuts out the need for a local practitioner. He has clients all over the world. There is a passionate ongoing debate in the Freezone where one side says phone auditing is bad and another side says it works. It is working for me is all I can say.

Best to interview a few practitioners and decide for yourself. If they start to badmouth someone else in order to position themselves with you, then you might want to find a more evolved practitioner.

I wish you the best and I hope you hook up with a good clearing practitioner who performs his task simply. The more clearing work you do the more you will be able to do some of it for yourself, so it is not necessarily a "forever" proposition.

Jonathan Burke says he is a clearing practitioner and if he works over the phone he might not have to be in the UK to work with you, or he might refer you to someone if you want to work face-to-face.

You might get lucky and hit paydirt with your first practitioner or you might get shuffled around a bit before you find someone who is most syncopatic with your particular needs.

best of luck,

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Old 12-13-2009, 10:38 PM   #24
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I to am much more interested in self help techniques, or stuff that I could do with friends or family. I personally would have a hard time trusting a stranger to work on me at a deep level.
Also, and no offense to anyone, I will not pay money for 'spiritual' work of any kind. I can understand where people come from who charge, but that is the old pairofdime
Money is used to control us and adding more fuel to the fire no longer works.
This is why I give Bill and Kerry my full support, the money fraud is also Xposed! It's time to get this stuff out to the masses free of charge, and live free of money!

Anyways sorry to derail a little there, thanks for the info on this stuff, keep it coming.
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Thank you for explaining the meaning of 'Declared'. It must have been tough.

Here is a link to a zip file containing 20 Scientology books including "Fundamentals of Thought" as referenced above.

http://www.scientology-london.com/do...iles/books.zip
Besides Dianetics 55, my all time favorite is axioms and procedures and the "PDC" lectures. The "PDC" lectures are considered a classic. I think even a few ETs attended that lecture :-)

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