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Old 11-22-2008, 01:01 AM   #1
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To quote FrancisJones, "I totally 100% agree."

Kerry's last post was one of the most reasoned posts that has appeared here on Avalon in the last 48 hours - except for you Gregor, you're a friggen god.

Made me rethink some stuff.

Right on.

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Old 11-22-2008, 01:14 AM   #2
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Thanks for the link.
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:27 AM   #3
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Yea I agree some of the mods are on silly little ego trips and have become right little Hitlers
Welldone to Kerry for putting them in their place
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:31 AM   #4
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Yea I agree some of the mods are on silly little ego trips and have become right little Hitlers
Welldone to Kerry for putting them in their place
If this policy is consistent, everyone who has been banned will be reinstated.
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:34 AM   #5
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Yes it seems like some of the Mods may have gone overboard as so many people are gone.
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:55 AM   #6
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Kerry Cassidy has made a bold and Definitive Statement as to the FREEDOM of Ideas. I certainly agree fully to what she has expressed.

How else COULD there be an open exchange of Ideas. And this Statement Kerry made applies to All of us, not just to the Moderators.

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Old 11-22-2008, 02:10 AM   #7
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http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4660#post84660

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Default My view on the forum, mod behavior etc.
My Views on the Forum

I have a strong dislike of authority and especially of those in authoritarian type roles who try to dictate to others, behavior or thought. One would think that those coming on to the forum share this value. However, with Moderators something else seems to be operating.

From my pov I get triggered when people act like police or prison guards and try to shut people in or out. It is abhorent to me that I would be involved in such an enterprise regardless of the high ideals people feel they are operating from. I do understand from the perspective of some, shutting out troublemakers is the best way to create a 'safe place' for people to share their views. I am suspicious of this activity from the out set.. regardless of the reasoning. I am a rebel at heart, always have been and always will be. So I identify with those who set themselves apart, rebel and question authority IN ALL ITS FORMS regardless of the rationalization for it.

I am not unaware that some degree of maintenance of "order" must take place for human SOCIETY to operate. I did graduate work in SOCIOLOGY (the study of groups and how they operate in society and the relation of the individual to society)..in fact I was writing a Master's thesis on this issue when I decided to quit graduate school because it was unnecessary (getting straight A's at that by the way..)

However, because my position on this is not merely emotional but backed by years of study of rebellion in all its forms and societal structures -- I find myself in a quandary when dealing with the Mods because at root my philosophy is apparently far different. I come from the pov that it is not the individual that is "sick" but the society and the structures they have built that makes the individual appear that way. Most of psychoanalysis and other therapies are all about adjusting and modifying the individual to conform to society and their rules rather than looking for ways to change society to incorporate the "radical types".

Radicalism is at root a MESSAGE FOR CHANGE THAT IS NEEDED... and therefore when I see a troublemaker I see a person with a different pov that may have a message and should therefore be heard. And here is where the FORUM and its Mods and I diverge.

I do not find "socially acceptable" behavior to be the optimum... I see it as preferable but NOT MANDATORY. I see, as you know, the message and the need to include the radicals as more important than the need to have their behavior conform. It's a matter of priority.

It is also about granting FREEDOM in all cases. In my view, if you allow a troublemaker, others Freedom is not curtailed, on the contrary, they can react as well as the next person... It is their choice whether to be triggered or not. Therefore in FORUM DIALOG troublemakers, with rare exceptions which are those with true devious intent such as selling drugs, pornography, paid agents and the like... are there as a part of the structure, stating their views where people can be challenged and disagree quite easily. The thing about forums is one person posts after another and therefore there is no real FACE TO FACE contact or FORCEFUL coercion to reply unless one wants to get into the "fray"...

I am aware that people are followers often and easily swayed by the posts of troublemakers but that is again their choice. It's quite a fair structure inherently and one that, without the intervention of Mods, in my view, will sort itself out if given a chance. When you ACT AS POLICE and kick people out you only exercise your own authoritarian beliefs and consider it justified. When in reality, you have not given the other people there the opportunity to grow their own muscles (mentally/emotionally) of discernment and let them handle it. They are all children in a school yard. They are there to learn. We all learn from the good as well as the bad.

So, I am simply against forcing people out regardless with the exception of the obvious infractions (drugs, porn) and I think we can all agree what those are. People who criticize Camelot and Avalon are certainly not guilty of those "infractions".... I consider even destructively oriented criticism to be allowable. I know many do not share this view.

I don't actually agree with the view about... a few bad apples spoiling it for others... I think we all have it well within our grasp to grab the podium and turn things in a positive direction. A forum post allows for this opportunity. I suggest that be the recourse rather than handing out points and infractions behind the scenes like secret police or school yard spies.

This being as it is, I do not find it desirable or attractive when people want to lessen people's chance to speak their minds regardless of who they THINK THEY ARE PROTECTING. I understand the impulse but I think it is misplaced as a way of loving... indeed it is very destructive in nature because it assumes that:

1. People can't protect themselves.

2. It doesn't allow people the "beingness" to develop their own modes of protection or discernment.

3. It creates a false sense of shelter where in reality there is none.

This gets to how I see the internet vs. a store or party in everyday life. The net is special because IT IS OPEN. That is quite possibly THE ONLY REASON IT IS SPECIAL. If you destroy that you destroy everything. Every Freedom, every choice we have. It is a mirror of our UNIVERSAL MIND and as such we must ALLOW as much freedom in the way we operate as humanly possible.

Yes by instituting a subscription based forum to help pay for our work--we are imposing certain limits.. ($1 a month -- I mean get real..) but they are reasonable and the barrier to ENTRY IS EXTREMELY LOW. I want to KEEP IT THAT WAY.

To be posted on to the forum in Announcements and in Mod area.

In peace,

Love,

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Old 11-22-2008, 02:36 AM   #8
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Kerry Cassidy wrote: My view on the forum, mod behavior etc.
My Views on the Forum

I have a strong dislike of authority and especially of those in authoritarian type roles who try to dictate to others, behavior or thought. One would think that those coming on to the forum share this value. However, with Moderators something else seems to be operating. {snipped}
Yeah, we know, thus the point of the thread.

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Old 11-22-2008, 02:52 AM   #9
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"Just bringing you back to the top"
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:24 AM   #10
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Yeah, we know, thus the point of the thread.
See #2 post sarcasm: "Thanks for the link."

There is no link. I was just trying to help the ones that don't know where it is or what it said. And they don't even have to leave this page to read the post. I thought I was being nice.

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Old 11-22-2008, 03:30 AM   #11
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it was nice
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:35 AM   #12
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See #2 post sarcasm: "Thanks for the link."

There is no link. I was just trying to help the ones that don't know where it is or what it said. And they don't even have to leave this page to read the post. I thought I was being nice.
Sorry Karen - my words can be venemous, and poorly directed.

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Old 11-22-2008, 03:35 AM   #13
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this isn't really relevent but i think...MOD EDIT: You are correct! It is NOT relevent and more importantly it is off topic to the thread.
Please refrain for going Off Topic to the thread. Look...I am TRYING to be nice and accommodating here. Please people do not push it.
I KNOW Sarah Palin can be funny to many people but this is not the time and place for it!


Thanks!

don't let all that mod power go to your head now. MOD WARNING: Please do not re-edit once a mod has already did.
For one I do not look at having Mod Power. I have Mod Abilities.

That is ALL.

Two: Your post IS Off Topic and that is against forum rules/guidlines.
I have been more then fair here. Anymore re-edits or direspect in this thread to a mod or to Michael St Clair will result in me using my other 'abilities'.
Which are infractions! LAST WARNING! Thank YOU!




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Hi Guys (Hypnotize and Steven)

Independent moderator reviewing situation here.

With respect to this post:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...0&postcount=23

Here is the edit history
N/A Stephen 11-12-2008 02:10 PM
N/A Stephen 11-12-2008 02:05 PM
Original Post Hypnotize 11-12-2008 01:45 PM

It is evident that Hypnotize did not re-edit his post.

Over to you Stephen

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It seems that stevin responded by deleting my and your posts and locking the thread under the basis that we will not listen to "reason". I'm not quite sure what he means by that but thought I'd let you know. It seems to me that stevin is trying to avoid this problem and his mistake.
I dont really want to change anything now. I am sorry all this happened. Stephen appears to have resigned. This makes me sad.



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I dont really want to change anything now. I am sorry all this happened. Stephen appears to have resigned. This makes me sad.

Maybe I should not have posted in the forum and done it all by personal mail; but I wanted it publically clear that you were not at fault.

I dont think I need to say it to you, but please don't post ANY Private Mail on this. I strongly feel that discretion is the better part of valour.

I have faith that everything happens for a reason.

Thanks for your contribution to Avalon keep it up!

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yeah i know i was asked not to post these but as soon as i read the part asking me not to i knew i eventualy would.
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:53 AM   #14
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I am impressed with that post by Kerry and agree with it. It's exactly accurate and something I couldn't find the words to express.

Others and myself I think we have being delt unfair infractions and bans just because of speaking what we thought at the time rather than drugs/porn.

This is why I disagreed with using guidelines as an excuse and crutch rather than everyone taking proper responsibility to discern individually rather than follow set rules and using rules to police.

What is annoying is the sheep of the forum will just say yes to anything and support anything without thinking and this is just another obstruction when they start calling you negative and such just cause you are disagreeing with something.

I still think subscription is not the right course of action to solve the money situation for this I think donations fund raising and charging for project camelot work is the answer. To sell DVDs, books and others things. This forum should not have to fund other work if anything we pay for what the forum costs as I don't think posting privileges are worth more than what the forum would cost to run.

I have had strong disagreements and issues with this because I do try and think for myself. It's not my fault if my opinion ignorant or not becomes an insult to other people and I shouldn't be censored for it. How could I support it knowing I wouldn't have a say....And it's only because we are so use to being tricked deceived and abused that we are now extra careful when things begin to get treated unfairly. Leaving room for people to have an opinion and make mistakes is a must and just letting them be here if they want to be here. Even if they think different with a totally different perspective of what it is about.

The moderation on the forum has being way too heavy so this announcement is much needed clarity. People are reasonable when you understand them and they get very uncomfortable when they feel like they are being censored on a forum and it brings out lack of trust and confidence very easily. That starts to divide people up rather than sticking to what is important.
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:57 AM   #15
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See #2 post sarcasm: "Thanks for the link."

There is no link. I was just trying to help the ones that don't know where it is or what it said. And they don't even have to leave this page to read the post. I thought I was being nice.
Thanx for putting it here. ! It was a breath of fresh air, and very well said. It made me feel real good!
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:59 AM   #16
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Im not at home near my pc. This is a most distressing position for me but I had to say to Kerry, I have never felt a greater kinship with you till your last post regarding a few bad apples. I was under the mistaken impression you were part of the oppressors on the happy joy joy reality train.

Fredrick Douglas said, "Aggitate, aggitate". It is the poeple that madden me to the point of talking out loud to my pc screen that usually make me mull over the entire subject at hand. Without those few, we are just a pack of dogs that attack at the command of a few bullies. There will always be dissent among the rank and file, that is to be expected. Great things can come from the most "negative" of situations. We have seen this proven throughout history. Anyone that does fit in with this current society I am deeply distrustful of, always have been.

Im running on but what I really want ta say is LOVE YA more than ever Kerry, girlfriend! Keep on with the good fight!

Gawd, dont I sound the perfect happy happy joy joy now? Sickening I know!
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Old 11-22-2008, 04:29 AM   #17
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If this policy is consistent, everyone who has been banned will be reinstated.
And that would be everyone.

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Old 11-22-2008, 05:49 AM   #18
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God Bless! Kerry's post was a blast.
Aquarius/uranus sync, I suppose. It was almost as if, reading her words I was listening to my own thoughts.

Question authority, rebel, aversion to repression and supression of free thought. That's it. THAT'S *IT*.

Now I know why I was drawn to this place, that's what I wanted, needed to hear from Camelot/Avalon's front. Won't forget.

I understand and agree with the subscription fee.
I can't stay as a poster because it was exactly my rebelious attitude that got me out of my job, once I couldn't and wouldn't agree with the greedy corruption taking place in my former work place - an education institute! Mind you!

It doesn't matter, The Source shall provide.
For us all.

I ain't complaining and I ain't asking for anyone else to pay for my subscription either - I wasn't even gonna say that I couldn't stay, actually - because my comments are random, of no relevant importance, and I take it that when you leave, you do it graciously & respectfully, without thrumphets.

I'll be happily reading the forum, following the interviews and wishing you all the best. I'm sure that PC and PA are meant an important role in the coming times. I'm already anticipating that you'll become huge with wonderful promises in the future!

Prosperity, healings and blessing in all of your endeavours for all who'll remain and carry on with The Vision.

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Old 11-22-2008, 06:30 AM   #19
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Kerry - thank you for taking the time to write your pov...im sure it resonates with the 'rebel' in some of us - this was very much needed....

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To quote FrancisJones, "I totally 100% agree."

Kerry's last post was one of the most reasoned posts that has appeared here on Avalon in the last 48 hours - except for you Gregor, you're a friggen god.

Made me rethink some stuff.

Right on.

You can talk to the Council of Saturn on that one.
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Old 11-22-2008, 08:19 AM   #21
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Friggen god, doh!, o.k., doh! friggen god? what happened to 420 Greg? doh! just givin ya a hard time because no one else will HaHa

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yeah i know i was asked not to post these but as soon as i read the part asking me not to i knew i eventualy would.
You could have done a better job of the quoting so that it was clearer who said what.

Why did you post it? I was after all trying to help you at the time - this is seems like old history. In terms of forum time it seems like years, yet this forum, or the Project Avalon part of it is only just over 2 months old!

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Old 11-22-2008, 09:44 AM   #23
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Old 11-22-2008, 09:50 AM   #24
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Hi Everyone,

Freedom of ideas has always been the center point of this forum. That is what makes the forum so interesting, we are over five thousand heads thinking and swapping ideas, experiences and opinions.

There are bound to be disgreements. The thing is that when we disagree, we need to say why, as in any disagreement either in real life or online, they can easily turn into slanging matches which help neither side, makes the general tone of the forum lower and less enjoyable for those who use it and also more difficult for interested people find the information that they are lookng for.

Remember this forum is a source of information and should be treated as such, searching, offering and swapping important information relevant to our lives both material and spiritual.

So, as a moderator, to make my life a little easier especially on my eyes, please let's reason when we disagree and try and direct our points of view in an orderly manner so that here becomes a place of coming together and sharing.

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Kerry Cassidy has made a bold and Definitive Statement as to the FREEDOM of Ideas. I certainly agree fully to what she has expressed.

How else COULD there be an open exchange of Ideas. And this Statement Kerry made applies to All of us, not just to the Moderators.

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Old 11-22-2008, 10:51 AM   #25
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Thank you Kerry, some sence at last!
However, I would wish to see the forum remain free to all. I'm sure donations would be the way to go.
Love peace and courage to all
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