I need your interpretation of the event

[burgundia]

My friend, who is in her 40-ies and the most down-to-earth person I know, has a friend/partner/lover. He lives in a different city so she visits him mainly during weekends and they also go on holiday together. he is very rich. And this is what happened when she visited him last time.

they were both sitting by the fireplace and talking. They both were facing the fireplace so sitting sideways to each other.
At a certain moment she looked at him and said that he was different. It was still him but his face changed. she used the words " I saw a devil"( that traditional devil-like image: black hair combed to the back of his head, then something like long, wide, black sideburns, etc. I'd say a Mephistopheles looks). he looked like that for about 5 minutes before changing again to his normal appearance. she says that it was the light from the fire that probably played a trick and her brain interpreted the image in this way. she always finds "rational" interpretations to everything more willingly admitting that it was her brain that tricked her. Strangely enough, she wasn't shocked by what she was seeing.
The man is very successful in any enterprise he undertakes. Whatever he does it always bring him money. she described him as self-centered, not caring about other people, narcissistic, egoistic.
If you can explain what could have happened there, please do.

[Orion11]

she saw through the facade for a few moments.

Se should trust her intuition/higher self.

for it knows best.

she described him as self-centered, not caring about other people, narcissistic, egoistic.

hmmm..... that is a bit confusing then...

if she still likes him after those great qualities..
maybe she doesnt mind the "devil like image" she saw.

hmm..

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by Orion11

she saw through the facade for a few moments.

Se should trust her intuition/higher self.

for it knows best.



hmmm..... that is a bit confusing then...

if she still likes him after those great qualities..
maybe she doesnt mind the "devil like image" she saw.

hmm..

she described his drawbacks. he also has virtues. all in all he is not that bad.

[Egg]

I worked for a guy, rich, powerful, magnetic. I saw him drunk, I saw him sober, I saw him in every shade of his life.

Then one day I walked into his office, and his face (I approached him side on just like this lady would of seen) and his eyes were glowing yellow, his skin sagged and warped, and I was so scared I quit the same day.

He gave me a glowing reference, but never argued about it. My contract has a non-disclosure agreement in it so i cannot name him, but I was convinced that day I saw a being that was not my boss, but an evil within.

[Swanny]

If he's not harming her maybe she should stay.
Better the devil you know

[She-Ra]

5 minutes is a long time to see something like that close up and not mean something other than the mind playing tricks. I think that if it was real and she thought of him as 'devillish' rather than just having 'devillish' looks there shouldn't be so much uncertainity about whether to trust him or not or stay. I also think that just because a person with a lot of or significant vices has virtues as well doesn't mean they can't do a lot of damage before any 'virtue' kicks in, if at all and will it be too little too late. Also, just because someone is nice to 'you' (generic use, not personal) doesn't mean they are a nice person and their vices should be overlooked. It depends on what those vices are and how strong they are. A person can be pretty what is socially accepted as 'decent' (which is pretty crappy in my opinion) for the longest time and then do something unforgiveable, a vice can undo a virtue imo and it doesn't work the other way round e.g. doing a nice/good thing doesn't make up for the bad.

I don't know why the money was mentioned, twice and at the opening and ending of the statement - that makes it seem highlighted. Is that a reason that make her doubt what she saw more or is a reason that perhaps you think she should wait abit?

Personally, I would just tell him what I saw and see his reaction - but of course that's not in every situation - perhaps ask her to think about their relationship and see if there's anything she ever noticed that seemed 'out of place' or substantiated a kind of worry/fear about him and if there isn't, perhaps it was just a mirage.

There could be lots of reasons why she wasn't surprised - but was she suprised afterwards?

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Egg

I worked for a guy, rich, powerful, magnetic. I saw him drunk, I saw him sober, I saw him in every shade of his life.

Then one day I walked into his office, and his face (I approached him side on just like this lady would of seen) and his eyes were glowing yellow, his skin sagged and warped, and I was so scared I quit the same day.

He gave me a glowing reference, but never argued about it. My contract has a non-disclosure agreement in it so i cannot name him, but I was convinced that day I saw a being that was not my boss, but an evil within.

I've probably lead the most protected life compared by the standards of most people here, but ONCE I met a person that has yellowish/golden eyes, I'm not even sure I really saw it anymore, for that person humiliated me to a degree and sucked all the energy from me I was trying to figure what happened even days after.
I'm generally not very keen on saying that there is such a thing as evil, for I believe that it's a matter of greed and ignorance that misleads people, especially in today's world where most evil is executed at the push of a button.
However, if it ever turned out there was pure evil, I'm sure he is a devil in disguise.

Take care I say. That person was so nice and gentle to begin with, it caught me completely off guard when he turned inside out, and he was able to do what he did to me while justifying it in a social context all the while, or maybe the other's were just scared, as well.

[Orion11]

Well said She-Ra

you as well czymra,



George w bush also had 'virtues'.
as well as every other dictator,
there was something good within them all,
but that doesnt mean much.

<3 Hope she gets it figured out.
Bless

[Myra]

To me I would take that as a warning and get away from the guy.

[THE eXchanger]

there eXists within each, and, everyone of us
a negative pole,
and, a positive pole,
and, it is, where we choose to slid to,
that is, what will reflect out to others

that is why,
two people can look at the same thing,
and, both see something slightly different

so, there is always a potential
for an angel, and,
there is always a potential for a devil,
both of them lurk within

that is what free-will, is really all about

you decide, what it is,
you are going to show the world,
by reflecting from inside of you,
the status of your sliding scales,
and, then, it comes out
to the outer worlds,
for others to see
the actual states of affairs,
in your innerworlds

it is interesting,
but, if you do NOT like/or, love what you look like
it is possible to energetically,
alter, and, change that
yourself

[THE eXchanger]

Ohh, and, also

i could write books, on things, i've seen

related, not only to myself

but, also, to others, who have crossed my path ...

there are many different types of DNA';s

that earth_beings who are incarnate at this time are carrying within them

and, if you look really carefully at people

you will see them

[Czymra]

Interesting eXchanger, I've known many people that would alter their faces so tremendously when they go from one emotional state to the other.

She-Ra, your talent of reading between lines humbles me.
Then again, you were always my favourite female cartoon.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by She-Ra

5 minutes is a long time to see something like that close up and not mean something other than the mind playing tricks. I think that if it was real and she thought of him as 'devillish' rather than just having 'devillish' looks there shouldn't be so much uncertainity about whether to trust him or not or stay. I also think that just because a person with a lot of or significant vices has virtues as well doesn't mean they can't do a lot of damage before any 'virtue' kicks in, if at all and will it be too little too late. Also, just because someone is nice to 'you' (generic use, not personal) doesn't mean they are a nice person and their vices should be overlooked. It depends on what those vices are and how strong they are. A person can be pretty what is socially accepted as 'decent' (which is pretty crappy in my opinion) for the longest time and then do something unforgiveable, a vice can undo a virtue imo and it doesn't work the other way round e.g. doing a nice/good thing doesn't make up for the bad.

I don't know why the money was mentioned, twice and at the opening and ending of the statement - that makes it seem highlighted. Is that a reason that make her doubt what she saw more or is a reason that perhaps you think she should wait abit?

Personally, I would just tell him what I saw and see his reaction - but of course that's not in every situation - perhaps ask her to think about their relationship and see if there's anything she ever noticed that seemed 'out of place' or substantiated a kind of worry/fear about him and if there isn't, perhaps it was just a mirage.

There could be lots of reasons why she wasn't surprised - but was she suprised afterwards?

I mentioned money to show that it comes very easily to him. it also could be a sign of something...

[Orion11]

yeah..
dishonest most likely.

[Delphi]

I have seen faces slip into other lives quite often but only on one occasion have i seen horns.
Decades ago on a sunny day in a very smart part of Lindon WI somebody had the nerve to pinch my bum. I turned round and the man I saw was grinning and for the briefest instant i saw little horns through his hair and the sky turned darker. It was so unsettling I have not forgotten it.

Burgundia, for me the trigger word in your description of your friend's lover was narcissistic. No narcissist is really present in a relationship, however charming they might appear.

love to all

[THE eXchanger]

money is simply ONE form of eXchange

there are a lot of eXchanges, worth a lot more than $'s and,
actually make more sense

if, you do NOT have enough of something in your life

perhaps, it is because, you are living life, off target,
and, it is the universes way, of showing you,
if you keep doing, what you are doing,
it is NOT working

i have always tried to focus
on getting the things, i truly desire

needs are necessary, best to put those on auto_pilot,
know what you need, and, ask for it to manifest itself

but, wants - those things, should be very few

if you truly to live, to capture your desires --
what your higher heart/and, higher mind want,
then, you will find, that you will have no wants/and,
probably will get what you need to do cover your needs

sometimes, if a rug, gets pulled out from under you

it's so, you can get down, and, see the bare facts,
about what the rug, was really covering up

it is time for many of us to make shifts,
into doing the types of work,
that we really intended to come here to do,
and, perhaps, that purpose/and, task,
is what will lead us all, to being abundant

remember, NOT all rich people, stole their money, NOR got it,
being dishonest

i think it is important to feel good, about those who have succeeded,
after all, the cards, were NEVER stacked in their favour,
and, in spite of it, they did well

i'd rather think well, of people like that ...
than, assume, someone who is rich, made it dishonestly,
a lot of rich people, earned it the right way

esp. when, we do NOT know all the facts about this man

[Orion11]

yes i know.

[Czymra]

eXchanger,
I'm sorry to say this, and your statements are all true, I'm not here to judge this man nor can I evaluate the whole situation as that, but detached from that story, I simply can't stand it when you go on about money being exchange when clearly it's a big rip-off.
I've seen this happen on many occasions now and wonder why you feel that it is your task to remind everybody that money isn't of a sign of evil.
True enough, in the system that we live in we all need money and it is necessary to charge it when appropriate and not to underestimate the services that are being given.
However, saying that one should charge for spiritual help just doesn't go down with me. If that is the standard (and it sadly is) then surely no one will help anybody without money. Where's the benevolence?

Yes money is power/time/blood and the exchange of that is good, and some may have it flow to them as a tool for what they need to do here, but as our current money itself is corrupted how can you assume honest trade and stand for it?

[Orion11]

Cyzmra.
deep bows.

[Dantheman62]

She's blinded by love or money or something, if she says he's self centered, not caring about other people, narcissistic, and has a big ego, and then says all in all he's not that bad then something's wrong there! If she saw something weird in him when they were sitting there by the fire then she should run away fast! Besides the first descriptions of him tell me he's an a..shole, who wants to hang around with an a...shole? Tell her to drop him like a bad habit!!

[Orion11]

excellent Dan!!!

love you man.

[THE eXchanger]

i didn't choose this, Czymra
anymore, than you did --
we can into a world,
and, we landed into a world,
where money - or, this corrupted stuff
is the only thing, that we are legally allowed to exchange in.

as, i said, in what i posted
it is NOT the only form of exchange

there are other forms of money
other than us $'s
the canadian money system, is, slightly different
just as, the lb, and, swiss franc, etc.,
is also different

it was kind of pushed on us

what i was saying, is NOT all people earn their money,
and, do so, utilsing evil practices

and, the war, must be more than just about money,
since, they have it all

on the topic, of spiritualists who charge for their work
it could be compared, to a plumber, or an electrican,
or, a dentist or a doctor,
or, a nurse, or, a restaurant --
you do NOT get services there for free
the people there, also must earn money
and charge you

so, that they can buy things to

myself, i have given healing/and, knowledge away
almost always for free - since, i have a business
and, never, felt a need to charge for it.

if i decided to earn a living,
with my spiritual gifts,
then, i am sorry, but, i do NOT see,
that it would be wrong to sell it, or barter it

eXchange - is about a lot of things,
in fact, it is, about everything - and, most of it,
is NOT at all about the money

if tomorrow, we decided dollar bills,
where maple leaf trees, or acorns from oak trees,
or anything else
instead of dollar bills,
we would have to exchange in it

doing it honestly, and, with integrity
giving more, than, what you take in return
for what you offer up, is how, i was taught to deal with people

to me, that is, most important thing, in any eXchange

[Carmen]

I agree with you eXchanger, and people often don't value something for nothing. In ancient times initiates had to make their own way to find their master teacher. Some of them did not survive their initiations. That was just part of the journey, and still worth the effort.

[THE eXchanger]

Funny thing, i thought Czymra was a woman,
NOT, a 23 year old man
(as, i tapped into the higher selves of both of us,
when, i read the comment)
and, i have noticed, that many others here,
have also passed, similiar comments

a lot of people do NOT realise,
very much, about the eXact opposite energy ratios,
between the highest self, and, the lowest self,
being eXact opposites.

i haven't raised by prices in 33 years,
i still charge $33.00/hr
or, the same amount my client makes per hour
(which ever, is higher, or lower)
and, that arrangement has always worked well

and, to many, i have done it, for absolutely NO cost/or fee

and, i came to a point, where a reverse type of karma,
started to try to seat itself -- free, has the greatest of all costs

too many young people, have had, their parents, coddle them

in my family, everyone, got to learn to buy their own stuff at 13
(outside, of basic needs / having a roof over your head / and, a
warm place to live)

and, quite frankly, for me, it was good training

Gaia, or The Earth, doesn't pay for healing
and, things that are NOT incarnate in bodies, also,
do NOT pay for healings,
and, as such, most of my work, has been done, in higher realms
and, a lot of the SER (SPIRIT ENTITY REMOVAL) work,
is something, that most people, really are NOT very aware of,
the makeup, of what it is,
that we all really are, is eXceedingly complex

it is really interesting, that many are awakening,
and, seeing these things, as, it allows us,
to come to greater understandings,
of the truth behind, duality/and, free-will

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by burgundia

My friend, who is in her 40-ies and the most down-to-earth person I know, has a friend/partner/lover.
At a certain moment she looked at him and said that he was different. It was still him but his face changed. she used the words " I saw a devil"( that traditional devil-like image: black hair combed to the back of his head, then something like long, wide, black sideburns, etc. I'd say a Mephistopheles looks). he looked like that for about 5 minutes before changing again to his normal appearance. she described him as self-centered, not caring about other people, narcissistic, egoistic.
If you can explain what could have happened there, please do.

I don't think by words here, we can figure this thing out. We don't know your friend or her partner. We know nothing about the real persons they are. We've never met them in person. All we would be doing is speculating.

Your friend needs to talk with people who really know herself personally, and also know her partner. Additionally, perhaps a consultation with a medical professional, clergy, or psychologist might be advisable. They're people who can honestly evaluate the real persons involved.