RON PAUL The End of the Iraq War is NOT Near, 3/4/2009

peaceandlove · 03-05-2009, 11:29 PM

Ron Paul: The End of the Iraq War is Not Near, 3/4/09

Ron Paul gives an Ominous address to the Congress on the Future of the Empire

"The administration claims all the troops will be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, sure they will."

Video (4:13): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...ew=12541&cpg=1

orthodoxymoron · 03-06-2009, 02:42 AM

Notice the Roman Fasci (bundle of sticks and hatchet head) on each side of the flag behind Dr. Paul. I wish they would replace these treasonous symbols with large copies of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. I also wish they would replace the treasonous Roman Lex Fori with the Constitution of the United States of America. Does Rome run the United States?

Could the Iraq Crusade have anything to do with 2012, stargates, bloodlines, underground alien bases, ancient artifacts and records, a strategic location to launch WWIII, etc? Who really and truly decided to send our young people to war in Iraq? It seems that in politics and the news...there is the public lie...and the hidden truth. I hope we can get to the point where the news and the truth are identical.

peaceandlove · 03-07-2009, 07:38 AM

Why is Obama leaving 50,000 troops in Iraq?

March 03, 2009
The Real News

For more visit http://therealnews.com/t/in... Porter: Obama's speech did not do what it intended to, by showing the plan for ending the war in Iraq.

Video (12:36): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfGieb0NQdM&NR=1

piers2210 · 03-07-2009, 09:52 AM

Thank you Ron Paul! Truth and realism as usual!! The Iraq war has agendas which won't allow its end by 2011....many things will change the picture long before 2011. And i agree with your view Ortho.

Worth a listen, only 4 mins, thanks for the post PaL.

orthodoxymoron · 03-07-2009, 05:59 PM

If you are not already deeply disturbed by the Iraq Crusade...watch the following documentary 'No End In Sight'...and you will be: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69183854471645 You may want to have a box of Kleenex handy before you start watching.

peaceandlove · 03-08-2009, 04:26 AM

Concerns Over Special Forces May Stall Already Limited Iraq Pullout

Military Insists Support Will Be Provided, But Won't Say How

Posted March 6, 2009

Source: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224

Most of the previous criticism of President Barack Obama’s “pullout” plan from Iraq has centered around it being less a pullout plan than a plan to continue the war indefinitely. But after a week of getting used to the idea that 50,000 troops will remain on the ground and engaging in combat long after the government declares combat operations over, some in the military are now concerned that the pullout is taking key support units, while leaving the elite forces which are dependant on them in place.

The elite forces, special operations units which engage in secretive operations across Iraq, are dependent on conventional forces for a myriad of aspects to their mission, from transportation to logistics support. So when a large chunk of those conventional forces are withdrawn, what’s going to happen to all the special operations forces that remain?

Officially the military says that they expect the needs of the special operations forces will continue to be met, but they are light on details of how this will be accomplished. Likely, it will mean further paring down the already limited pullout to ensure that these operations can continue unfettered.

Iraq withdrawal raises concerns for elite forces

Iraq withdrawal raises concerns that elite forces will lose aircraft, logistical support

LOLITA C. BALDOR
AP News

Mar 06, 2009 14:21 EST

As the U.S. readies the pullout of its major combat units from Iraq, officials are concerned that the Pentagon's Green Berets and other elite anti-terror warriors staying behind won't have the helicopters, equipment and other logistical support they need.

The uniquely trained special operations forces are scattered across Iraq, generally carrying out the more secretive missions, pursuing al-Qaida and other terrorist suspects. As they do that, they must rely on their brethren in larger, conventional military units to fuel their helicopters, fix their trucks, transport them from place to place and provide them with the support troops they need and even the food they eat.

Those support systems, however, will begin to drop off as combat brigades begin leaving Iraq later this year and are not replaced.

Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224

Related Stories
March 5, 2009 -- Kurdistan Expansion Threatens US Pullout Plans
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224

February 27, 2009 -- Obama Sells Continuation of Iraq War as the New Pullout Plan
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224

February 27, 2009 -- Republicans Laud Obama’s Iraq Plan, Dems Unhappy
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224

compiled by Jason Ditz

peaceandlove · 03-08-2009, 04:30 AM

Ron Paul on Unconstitutional Presidential War Powers

3/5/2009

On Thursday, Dr. Paul challenged Jim Baker over the issue of unconstitutional presidential war powers and giving too much control to the executive branch.

Video (6:31): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12723

peaceandlove · 03-17-2009, 05:24 PM

Maliki: US Will Only Leave 100 Percent Secure Areas

June SOFA Deadline Unlikely to Survive Maliki's New Demands
Posted March 15, 2009

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told the Associated Press today that he had informed top US officials, including President Obama, that any US military pullouts “must be done with our approval.” And while the Iraqi government has been generally forthcoming with approval for the US doing whatever it wants in the nation, getting the approval to leave areas may not be nearly so easy.

“I do not want any withdrawals except in areas considered 100 percent secure and under control,” Maliki declared, adding that “any area where there is a likelihood of a resumption of attacks, withdrawals from there will be postponed.”

The Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) deal between the two nations required American forces to leave all cities by June of this year, though the US has already been pretty vague about keeping its promise, saying only that they anticipate leaving the cities “at some point.” Of course given the tenuous situation across all of Iraq, a 100% guarantee that there will be no resumption of attacks is virtually impossible anywhere in the nation, potentially endangering every withdrawal date going forward.

Related Stories
March 16, 2009 -- US Admits Downing Iranian Drone East of Baghdad Last Month
March 16, 2009 -- US Troops Killed Iraqi Girl With ‘Warning Shot’
March 12, 2009 -- Gates: Future Presidents Will Likely Be More Cautious of Preemptive Wars After Iraq

GO TO ARTICLE FOR LINKS TO RELATED STORIES: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3419

peaceandlove · 03-17-2009, 05:52 PM

Related link from above article:

Iraq’s SOFA: What Changed, What Didn’t, and What Iraqi Officials Are Saying About It

Posted October 21, 2008

The Associated Press has obtained a copy of the latest draft of the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) being negotiated between the United States and Iraq and has made available a collection of excerpts translated from Arabic into English. The excerpts provide specific information about several speculated clauses in the deal:

Immunity for US Troops and Contractors:

The United States retains judicial jurisdiction over its forces and civilian contractors of the Department of Defense for incidents taking place inside agreed-upon facilities and during missions. Iraq has jurisdiction over them “in respect of premeditated and gross felonies” outside of the facilities and when not on a mission.

This is largely in keeping with previous reports on the terms for troops. Iraq also has complete jurisdiction over other US contractors not mentioned above and their employees.

Operational Control and Command:

All military operations are to be “carried out with the agreement of the Iraqi government and full coordination with Iraqi authorities.” A joint committee will be established to coordinate the operations. All the operations will have to be compatible with Iraq’s laws and constitution. Iraq will also assume complete responsibility for “control and monitoring of Iraqi air space” as soon as the agreement goes into force.

Searches and Detentions:

US forces will no longer have authorization to arrest or detain anyone, except with an Iraqi issued order. In that event, the US is required to hand over the detainee “to Iraqi authorities within 24 hours of their detention or arrest.” US forces will also no longer be allowed to search homes without a court order, except during coordinated combat missions.

The Timeline:

The SOFA specifically says “US forces withdraw from Iraqi territory by Dec. 31, 2011, at the latest.” Forces will also be withdrawn from Iraqi cities and villages no later than June 30, 2009, or when Iraqi forces take control of security there. It does leave open the possibility of troops remaining beyond the deadline “for the purposes of training and supporting Iraqi security forces,” if the Iraqi government so chooses.

Either party can withdraw US forces before the date, and the draft also specifies that “the United States acknowledges the Iraqi government’s sovereign right to request the departure of US forces from Iraq at any time.”

The Ratification:

Incredibly, the terms of the ratification appear identical to a previous draft leaked over a month ago, requiring only the exchange of diplomatic notes assuring the constitutionality of the ratification between the two parties for the agreement to come into force.

It has been speculated that under these terms Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki could bypass parliament by simply claiming the agreement is a bilateral executive agreement not subject to parliamentary oversight. The Bush Administration has similarly claimed the agreement is an executive agreement and that Congressional approval will not be sought for it.

This seems a dangerous route for the Prime Minister to take, particularly with Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani insisting on parliamentary approval of the agreement. His office has insisted on multiple occasions that the pact would be sent to parliament for a vote, and that he might even withhold a draft unless he was confident of a two-thirds majority in the vote.

What They’re Saying:

Much of Iraq’s government and opposition is arrayed against the present draft and Iraq’s Council of Ministers, one of the pact’s first stops on its way to parliament, has unanimously agreed that amendments need to be made to the agreement as presently written.

Political analyst Ibrahim al-Somaidaee, however, urged the Iraqi government to accept the pact while it still could, citing unprecedented concessions giving the Iraqi government significant authority over US forces. He warned that “neither Obama nor McCain will accept this issue” in the way President Bush is willing to.

To a Kurdistan Islamic Union MP however, the agreement is basically dead in the water. He urged the Bush Administration to stop pressing Iraqi factions to support the deal, saying “it is impossible (for the pact) to be signed and approved by the Parliament in the remaining months of the current year or during the remaining period of President Bush’s term.”

Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2008/10/21/2...port-dries-up/

orthodoxymoron · 03-17-2009, 10:26 PM

Prophetic words from Dick Cheney in 1994: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I. What changed?

03-05-2009, 11:29 PM	#1
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	RON PAUL The End of the Iraq War is NOT Near, 3/4/2009 Ron Paul: The End of the Iraq War is Not Near, 3/4/09 Ron Paul gives an Ominous address to the Congress on the Future of the Empire *"The administration claims all the troops will be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, sure they will."* Video (4:13): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...ew=12541&cpg=1 Last edited by peaceandlove; 03-05-2009 at 11:34 PM.

03-06-2009, 02:42 AM	#2
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: RON PAUL The End of the Iraq War is NOT Near, 3/4/2009 Notice the Roman Fasci (bundle of sticks and hatchet head) on each side of the flag behind Dr. Paul. I wish they would replace these treasonous symbols with large copies of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. I also wish they would replace the treasonous Roman Lex Fori with the Constitution of the United States of America. Does Rome run the United States? Could the Iraq Crusade have anything to do with 2012, stargates, bloodlines, underground alien bases, ancient artifacts and records, a strategic location to launch WWIII, etc? Who really and truly decided to send our young people to war in Iraq? It seems that in politics and the news...there is the public lie...and the hidden truth. I hope we can get to the point where the news and the truth are identical. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 03-17-2009 at 09:34 PM.

03-07-2009, 07:38 AM	#3
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Why is Obama leaving 50,000 troops in Iraq? Why is Obama leaving 50,000 troops in Iraq? March 03, 2009 The Real News For more visit http://therealnews.com/t/in... Porter: Obama's speech did not do what it intended to, by showing the plan for ending the war in Iraq. Video (12:36): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfGieb0NQdM&NR=1

03-07-2009, 09:52 AM	#4
piers2210 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 403	Re: RON PAUL The End of the Iraq War is NOT Near, 3/4/2009 Thank you Ron Paul! Truth and realism as usual!! The Iraq war has agendas which won't allow its end by 2011....many things will change the picture long before 2011. And i agree with your view Ortho. Worth a listen, only 4 mins, thanks for the post PaL.

03-07-2009, 05:59 PM	#5
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: RON PAUL The End of the Iraq War is NOT Near, 3/4/2009 If you are not already deeply disturbed by the Iraq Crusade...watch the following documentary 'No End In Sight'...and you will be: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69183854471645 You may want to have a box of Kleenex handy before you start watching. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 03-07-2009 at 06:03 PM.

03-08-2009, 04:26 AM	#6
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Concerns Over Special Forces May Stall Already Limited Iraq Pullout Concerns Over Special Forces May Stall Already Limited Iraq Pullout Military Insists Support Will Be Provided, But Won't Say How Posted March 6, 2009 Source: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224 Most of the previous criticism of President Barack Obama’s “pullout” plan from Iraq has centered around it being less a pullout plan than a plan to continue the war indefinitely. But after a week of getting used to the idea that 50,000 troops will remain on the ground and engaging in combat long after the government declares combat operations over, some in the military are now concerned that the pullout is taking key support units, while leaving the elite forces which are dependant on them in place. The elite forces, special operations units which engage in secretive operations across Iraq, are dependent on conventional forces for a myriad of aspects to their mission, from transportation to logistics support. So when a large chunk of those conventional forces are withdrawn, what’s going to happen to all the special operations forces that remain? Officially the military says that they expect the needs of the special operations forces will continue to be met, but they are light on details of how this will be accomplished. Likely, it will mean further paring down the already limited pullout to ensure that these operations can continue unfettered. Iraq withdrawal raises concerns for elite forces Iraq withdrawal raises concerns that elite forces will lose aircraft, logistical support LOLITA C. BALDOR AP News Mar 06, 2009 14:21 EST As the U.S. readies the pullout of its major combat units from Iraq, officials are concerned that the Pentagon's Green Berets and other elite anti-terror warriors staying behind won't have the helicopters, equipment and other logistical support they need. The uniquely trained special operations forces are scattered across Iraq, generally carrying out the more secretive missions, pursuing al-Qaida and other terrorist suspects. As they do that, they must rely on their brethren in larger, conventional military units to fuel their helicopters, fix their trucks, transport them from place to place and provide them with the support troops they need and even the food they eat. Those support systems, however, will begin to drop off as combat brigades begin leaving Iraq later this year and are not replaced. Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224 Related Stories March 5, 2009 -- Kurdistan Expansion Threatens US Pullout Plans http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224 February 27, 2009 -- Obama Sells Continuation of Iraq War as the New Pullout Plan http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224 February 27, 2009 -- Republicans Laud Obama’s Iraq Plan, Dems Unhappy http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3224 compiled by Jason Ditz Last edited by peaceandlove; 03-08-2009 at 04:31 AM.

03-08-2009, 04:30 AM	#7
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Ron Paul on Unconstitutional Presidential War Powers Ron Paul on Unconstitutional Presidential War Powers 3/5/2009 On Thursday, Dr. Paul challenged Jim Baker over the issue of unconstitutional presidential war powers and giving too much control to the executive branch. Video (6:31): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12723

03-17-2009, 05:24 PM	#8
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Maliki: US Will Only Leave 100 Percent Secure Areas 3/15/2009 Maliki: US Will Only Leave 100 Percent Secure Areas June SOFA Deadline Unlikely to Survive Maliki's New Demands Posted March 15, 2009 Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told the Associated Press today that he had informed top US officials, including President Obama, that any US military pullouts “must be done with our approval.” And while the Iraqi government has been generally forthcoming with approval for the US doing whatever it wants in the nation, getting the approval to leave areas may not be nearly so easy. “I do not want any withdrawals except in areas considered 100 percent secure and under control,” Maliki declared, adding that “any area where there is a likelihood of a resumption of attacks, withdrawals from there will be postponed.” The Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) deal between the two nations required American forces to leave all cities by June of this year, though the US has already been pretty vague about keeping its promise, saying only that they anticipate leaving the cities “at some point.” Of course given the tenuous situation across all of Iraq, a 100% guarantee that there will be no resumption of attacks is virtually impossible anywhere in the nation, potentially endangering every withdrawal date going forward. Related Stories March 16, 2009 -- US Admits Downing Iranian Drone East of Baghdad Last Month March 16, 2009 -- US Troops Killed Iraqi Girl With ‘Warning Shot’ March 12, 2009 -- Gates: Future Presidents Will Likely Be More Cautious of Preemptive Wars After Iraq GO TO ARTICLE FOR LINKS TO RELATED STORIES: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3419 Last edited by peaceandlove; 03-17-2009 at 05:31 PM.

03-17-2009, 05:52 PM	#9
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Iraq’s SOFA: What Changed, What Didn’t, and What Iraqi Officials Are Saying About It Related link from above article: Iraq’s SOFA: What Changed, What Didn’t, and What Iraqi Officials Are Saying About It Posted October 21, 2008 The Associated Press has obtained a copy of the latest draft of the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) being negotiated between the United States and Iraq and has made available a collection of excerpts translated from Arabic into English. The excerpts provide specific information about several speculated clauses in the deal: Immunity for US Troops and Contractors: The United States retains judicial jurisdiction over its forces and civilian contractors of the Department of Defense for incidents taking place inside agreed-upon facilities and during missions. Iraq has jurisdiction over them “in respect of premeditated and gross felonies” outside of the facilities and when not on a mission. This is largely in keeping with previous reports on the terms for troops. Iraq also has complete jurisdiction over other US contractors not mentioned above and their employees. Operational Control and Command: All military operations are to be “carried out with the agreement of the Iraqi government and full coordination with Iraqi authorities.” A joint committee will be established to coordinate the operations. All the operations will have to be compatible with Iraq’s laws and constitution. Iraq will also assume complete responsibility for “control and monitoring of Iraqi air space” as soon as the agreement goes into force. Searches and Detentions: US forces will no longer have authorization to arrest or detain anyone, except with an Iraqi issued order. In that event, the US is required to hand over the detainee “to Iraqi authorities within 24 hours of their detention or arrest.” US forces will also no longer be allowed to search homes without a court order, except during coordinated combat missions. The Timeline: The SOFA specifically says “US forces withdraw from Iraqi territory by Dec. 31, 2011, at the latest.” Forces will also be withdrawn from Iraqi cities and villages no later than June 30, 2009, or when Iraqi forces take control of security there. It does leave open the possibility of troops remaining beyond the deadline “for the purposes of training and supporting Iraqi security forces,” if the Iraqi government so chooses. Either party can withdraw US forces before the date, and the draft also specifies that “the United States acknowledges the Iraqi government’s sovereign right to request the departure of US forces from Iraq at any time.” The Ratification: Incredibly, the terms of the ratification appear identical to a previous draft leaked over a month ago, requiring only the exchange of diplomatic notes assuring the constitutionality of the ratification between the two parties for the agreement to come into force. It has been speculated that under these terms Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki could bypass parliament by simply claiming the agreement is a bilateral executive agreement not subject to parliamentary oversight. The Bush Administration has similarly claimed the agreement is an executive agreement and that Congressional approval will not be sought for it. This seems a dangerous route for the Prime Minister to take, particularly with Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani insisting on parliamentary approval of the agreement. His office has insisted on multiple occasions that the pact would be sent to parliament for a vote, and that he might even withhold a draft unless he was confident of a two-thirds majority in the vote. What They’re Saying: Much of Iraq’s government and opposition is arrayed against the present draft and Iraq’s Council of Ministers, one of the pact’s first stops on its way to parliament, has unanimously agreed that amendments need to be made to the agreement as presently written. Political analyst Ibrahim al-Somaidaee, however, urged the Iraqi government to accept the pact while it still could, citing unprecedented concessions giving the Iraqi government significant authority over US forces. He warned that “neither Obama nor McCain will accept this issue” in the way President Bush is willing to. To a Kurdistan Islamic Union MP however, the agreement is basically dead in the water. He urged the Bush Administration to stop pressing Iraqi factions to support the deal, saying “it is impossible (for the pact) to be signed and approved by the Parliament in the remaining months of the current year or during the remaining period of President Bush’s term.” Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2008/10/21/2...port-dries-up/

03-17-2009, 10:26 PM	#10
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: RON PAUL The End of the Iraq War is NOT Near, 3/4/2009 Prophetic words from Dick Cheney in 1994: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I. What changed?