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Old 03-17-2010, 07:25 PM   #1
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Hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs are being shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.A shipping company based in Florida, Superior Maritime Services, will be paid $699,500 to carry many thousands of military items from Concord, California, to Diego Garcia. Crucially, the cargo includes 195 smart, guided, Blu-110 bombs and 192 massive 2000lb Blu-117 bombs ... For Alan Mackinnon, chair of Scottish CND, the revelation was “extremely worrying”. He stated: "It is clear that the US government continues to beat the drums of war over Iran ... It is depressingly similar to the rhetoric we heard prior to the war in Iraq in 2003
They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran Dan Plesch, director, Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy, University of London
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:48 PM   #2
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naaa it will crumble from inside first...

Dealing with Iran takes a lot of Sabre Rattling...

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Iran: Youths injured and disappeared in clashes with regime's agents

Heavy clashes and hit and runs between youths and regime’s suppressive agents in southern Tehran;

Some youths have been injured and a number of them have disappeared

NCRI - From the start of Gol Banou Street in the Vali Asr region in Tehran, people chanted “death to dictator” and hurled home-made sound grenades at the regime’s suppressive forces, crippling their operations.

In southern Tehran in Nazi Abad and Hezar Dastgah, as well as the Shoush-Khani Abad Street, there are continuing clashes between the youths and the regime’s agents. A number of young people have been injured as a result of being hit by the agents’ batons while some have disappeared.

In Saadat Abad, despite widespread presence of State Security Forces, people celebrated the Fire Festival.

In addition, all over the Tehran Pars region, including First Falakeh, Haft Hoz Square, Samangan Square, Taslihat Square, 150th Street, Kerman Street, and Nezam Street, large numbers of people held Fire Festival celebrations in opposition to the clerical regime.








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Old 03-17-2010, 10:30 PM   #3
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It's a perfect example of economic hitman.
Have you ever listened to ahmajinedad speak,
watch his larry king interview . He makes more sense than most of the western politicians.

I'm just trying to show you a different perspective.

Personally I don't like any religion, especially mind oppresing once, but there are nukes in israel, pakistan, germany, france, russia and many more, either we ban them all or everyone can have one. Here is a guy talking about this shippment in russian tv

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Old 03-17-2010, 10:36 PM   #4
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I know everything about the little blacksmith, he isn't the dicktator, he is the monkey on the end of the organ Grinder's chain...

He has gotten himself in trouble with his Boss many times by sharing what he really feels without getting permission to speak and what he is to say.

don't get me wrong I'd love to see him with the power to make necessary changes in his country, of course I'd like to see the President of the US have some power too...
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You see part of the anglo saxon plan was putting the Ayatolla's in charge of Iran, carefully orchestrated by the Queen...

Don't be surprised if you see a coup led by majin, he has carefully put the people in place in all the right agencies and positions of the military to make it happen...

There are so many things going on right now in the world battles back and forth between those that feel they have the right to control the world and the ones who are preventing it. On the surface you are seeing what they want you to see but if you look closer you see the plans rolling forward that will stop them...
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:18 AM   #6
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don't get me wrong I'd love to see him with the power to make necessary changes in his country, of course I'd like to see the President of the US have some power too...
The President of the United States needs MORE oversight (less power) at present imo. Check this:
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Admin Threatens Veto Over GAO Role in Intel Oversight - March 17th, 2010 by Steven Aftergood

This is such a straightforward step towards improving oversight that it was even championed by CIA Director Leon Panetta when he was a Congressman.

But the Obama Administration told Congress on Monday that new language to reinforce the GAO’s role in intelligence oversight was among several provisions in the pending FY2010 Intelligence Authorization Act that were objectionable to the White House and that might prompt a presidential veto of the bill.
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:24 AM   #7
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from your article...

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“Three categories of provisions are so serious that the President’s senior advisers would recommend that the veto the bill if they are included in a bill presented for his signature,”
At least in Iran it's obvious who is pulling the strings...
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:47 AM   #8
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At least in Iran it's obvious who is pulling the strings...
Who, Ahmadinejad, the ayatollah(s), the old/new Shah/UK/US/neoIsrael ... Joseph Lieberman ? lol - arms dealers, organ dealers, coke dealers, military munitionists, realtors, ... Russia ? India ? China ? the US people ? white phosphorus victims ? There's a march on Washington. SATURDAY MARCH 20, 2010 (marchforward.org)

US OUT OF AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ NOW! There will be coinciding mass marches on March 20 in San Francisco and Los Angeles
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You see part of the anglo saxon plan was putting the Ayatolla's in charge of Iran, carefully orchestrated by the Queen...

Don't be surprised if you see a coup led by majin, he has carefully put the people in place in all the right agencies and positions of the military to make it happen...

There are so many things going on right now in the world battles back and forth between those that feel they have the right to control the world and the ones who are preventing it. On the surface you are seeing what they want you to see but if you look closer you see the plans rolling forward that will stop them...
Israel has to be included in this discussion. They have an agenda that isn't necessarily congruent with the Anglo-American one. They are also the most dangerous country in that region Iran notwithstanding. Some are saying if there's a war, Israel will instigate. This could prove disastrous obviously.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:57 AM   #10
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I wish they could all talk and resolve the issues non violently,
but I guess too many conflicting agendas.

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I have a feeling that this year ,more than before, we can shape our reality with the power of intention...
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Old 03-18-2010, 10:49 AM   #12
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I have a feeling that this year ,more than before, we can shape our reality with the power of intention...
I do believe you are exactly right precious one, exactly.

People like yourself all over the world B can change it into heaven.

Most of this is being instigated as we know by the dark cabbala, if everyone puts love and protection around Gaia they will fail.

PS: I am getting they better not pursue war into the big one, because there are warriors amongst the soldiers that are not normal soldiers. The ones that are here already are not happy and will put a spoke in the works.

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Old 03-18-2010, 11:20 AM   #13
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You see part of the anglo saxon plan was putting the Ayatolla's in charge of Iran, carefully orchestrated by the Queen...

Don't be surprised if you see a coup led by majin, he has carefully put the people in place in all the right agencies and positions of the military to make it happen...

There are so many things going on right now in the world battles back and forth between those that feel they have the right to control the world and the ones who are preventing it. On the surface you are seeing what they want you to see but if you look closer you see the plans rolling forward that will stop them...
You talk some real nonsense at times Rokee.
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:24 PM   #14
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I have a feeling that this year ,more than before, we can shape our reality with the power of intention...
Glad you said this, Burgundia. I was trying to leave the "maybe" door open. It seems like a lot of the more diabolical story lines have been derailed or postponed. The more attention the PTB (pardon the sweeping generalization) receive the more tentative they seem to become.

Trying to steer clear of wishful thinking hence apathy here. Maybe it's my half full outlook.
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Old 03-19-2010, 12:40 AM   #15
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, March 18 (UPI) -- Amid growing concerns of renewed conflict in the Middle East, the Tehran regime has shaken up the leadership of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, putting a veteran general who operated in Lebanon with Hezbollah in command of its ground forces.

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Old 03-19-2010, 01:19 AM   #16
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I wish they could all talk and resolve the issues non violently,
but I guess too many conflicting agendas.

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There exists a much higher agenda on the table in this situation.
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Old 03-19-2010, 01:26 AM   #17
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Although set up by Ayatollah Khomeini after the 1979 revolution to defend the rule of the clerics, the Revolutionary Guards is now a far cry from its days of subservience toward Iran's clerics. Former and current members of the Guards are now littered among Tehran's leadership. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, current speaker of Parliament Ali Larijani and current Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar are just three of a large number of individuals who have spent many days among the Guards' ranks as they rose to become leaders of the group's militant core.

However, the Guards is no longer simply the militant beast that has entered Iran's political spectrum. Rather, it now controls much of Iran's economy, including 30 percent of Iran's nonoil exports and more than half the country's imports, in addition to vast contracts to develop Iran's oil and gas fields.

In the current climate, with Iran's leadership weakened by mass internal unrest that has exploded in recent months into unprecedented nationwide protests, the Obama administration sees the Guards as potentially replacing many centers of power in Tehran. In truth, the group answers only to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Targeting the Guards is a politically sound method of not only slowing Iran's nuclear progress but hurting this regime where it hurts most, its pocket.

In November, the group famed for exposing Tehran's nuclear program in 2002 announced that the Guards had taken on a new, advanced role among Iran's leadership. The president-elect of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, Maryam Rajavi, announced that authorities had set up the Intelligence Organization of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which became the regime's main security force. Headed by the IRGC's top commander, the organization marked another step toward the Guards being in direct control of the regime.

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so, according to the Media it shows this is a very frightening development... But frightening for who is the question...

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Much of that business goes undetected via Dubai. Iran's Mullahs use the United Arab Emirates as a back door through which to funnel goods that cannot be brought in through the front door because of existing sanctions. The role of the German-Emirati Joint Council for Industry & Commerce, founded only last year, on May 20, raises serious questions about the German government's commitment to meaningful sanctions.

Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, the German economics minister at the time (who has since become defense minister), considered the Joint Council so important that he took time from his busy schedule to attend the founding festivities. Partly financed by German taxpayers, the council announced just a few months ago, on Nov. 5., the formation of an "Iran Working Group" to assess "how new trade and investment flows can be created—including [for] German companies—using the United Arab Emirates as a gateway to the Iranian market."

This state-funded institution thus directly contradicts official German government policies. Berlin publicly says it wants to deter or dissuade German firms from doing business with Iran. Chancellor Angela Merkel even declared in November 2007 that "We have to do all we can to ensure that trade routes do not simply take a diversion to get to Iran." But this is precisely what the Iran Working Group is trying to facilitate under the authority of the German economics ministry. Has the Chancellor been informed?

Dubai is in fact already the "gateway to the Iranian market"—and not only for German companies. The tiny emirate is considered to be the hub for much of the world's illegal trade with Iran. Virtually nothing is produced in Dubai and yet, its activities have somehow catapulted the UAE to the top of the list of countries exporting to Iran in 2009. An astounding 80% of all Emirati imports are re-exported, one-quarter of which goes to Iran via Dubai.

Some 8,000 Iranian firms and 1,200 Iranian trading companies are registered in the emirate. Every week, about 300 flights shuttle between Dubai and Iran. Dubai has one of the world's largest artificial harbors, Jebel Ali, a mere 100 miles away from the Iranian container port of Bandar Abbas. Between 2005 and 2009, the value of goods exported from Dubai to Iran tripled, reaching $12 billion. In 2008, total German exports to the UAE reached $11 billion, an increase of 40% over the previous year. In the vehicle construction and mechanical engineering sectors, exports rose by more than 60%. The desire of the German-Emirati Joint Council to open the "gateway to Iran" even wider is therefore rather worrisome.

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Old 03-19-2010, 06:41 AM   #19
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Have you ever listened to ahmajinedad speak,

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Ahmadinejad Stresses Women's Presence in High Posts in OIC

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on the Secretary General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, to choose one of the elite women of the Muslim world as his deputy.


In a letter to Ihsanoglu, the Iranian president suggested him to appoint an "elite Muslim woman" as one of his deputies.

President Ahmadinejad said that he made the suggestion regarding the progressive view of Islam about women and their major role in the development of Muslim societies.

He added that he made the proposal in line with the OIC approvals on promotion of women's status and role as half of the Muslim world's population.

He added that choosing a female deputy for the OIC chief would be a major step towards restoring women's rights and boosting their capabilities.

That would also indicate the OIC support for strengthening Women's status in the society, stressed the president.

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See now these are the quiet things he is doing that shows he is willing to push new agenda's inside a country that has been treating women like doormats...

It is also a message to all of us...

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Hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs are being shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.
Hmm, it is close to the Gulf of Aden, where there are also interesting things happening.. No?

If he wanted to not ship these to Israel as is in the news today (World Tribune), then he could have diverted them to Germany or Iraq where they also have bases. Or, simply scotch the delivery.

No, something is up, for sure, but it may not be what you think..
Just my 2 cents..

BTW, whatever happened to the news coming out of there?.. seems to have dried up.
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Hi eMonkey,

I was taken aback a littleby that piece also about the bombs being destined for Israel and then the President diverting them to somewhere else.

Don't read me wrong, but it seems that Obama is almost going out of his way to protect the Muslim world. His trip which he cancelled was to go to Indonesia (again) and then on to Australia.

At the end of the day, could Obama be a Muslim? Could it be that there will be a viravolta in the works?

Very sensitive times.

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Hmm, it is close to the Gulf of Aden, where there are also interesting things happening.. No?

If he wanted to not ship these to Israel as is in the news today (World Tribune), then he could have diverted them to Germany or Iraq where they also have bases. Or, simply scotch the delivery.

No, something is up, for sure, but it may not be what you think..
Just my 2 cents..

BTW, whatever happened to the news coming out of there?.. seems to have dried up.
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Don't read me wrong, but it seems that Obama is almost going out of his way to protect the Muslim world. His trip which he cancelled was to go to Indonesia (again) and then on to Australia.

At the end of the day, could Obama be a Muslim? Could it be that there will be a viravolta in the works?
Hi Steve_A

Is it me or am I seeing a few wobbles in tptb's direction?

There seems to be a few surprises in the news this last few days from Obama.
But then, it could just be in the big plan to give us false hope... or to delay the action because we have wised up to it. Bunker-Busters - you are so busted..

I'd like to kick this story around a little more, so I guess we will have to wait and see a little more. I bet it won't be the last we hear of this story.
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I can't wait until all 3 forums are combined down into one following 5 different threads on the exact same discussion is hard...

Pictures of the Island are here

Anglo Saxon plan coming together

You know Steve if this is a discussion you are interested in following, being a moderator you could combine all the threads to make it easier...

Close the thread with a link to the combined discussion...

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Steve,

I'm wondering since you are in Brazil if you have run across any stories on a city in Brazil whose second language is Portuguese.

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Blumenau is one of the most important cities in the State of Santa Catarina; the city, distant 139 km from the capital Florianopolis, was built close to where the river Itajai meets the affluents Testo, Itoupava, Velha and Garcia. Average temperature is 21 C; the southern States of Brazil are below the Tropic of Capricorn Line, with a climate more similar to the temperated Germany than the rest of Brazil.
Blumenau was founded in 1850 by German immigrant Hermann Otto Blumenau and other sixteen fellow countrymen; they were impressed with the fertility of the soil in the Itajai Valley and the agricultural potential of Brazil.
The colony founded by Herman had, in 1880, 15,000 inhabitants, practically all of them Germans (there was not miscegenation between the immigrants and the Brazilians); in 1894, the colony was elevated to the status of city.

Even though the initial settlers had the intention to develop an agricultural colony, many of the immigrants which arrived later had other skills, which changed the business orientation of the city; in the century XX, Blumenau became an industrial city.

In 2000, the city had 261,505 inhabitants; many people in the rural area of Blumenau still speak German and live by German traditions.
As a German city, Blumenau was highly influenced by. Hitler...

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The Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is responsible for the astonishing number of twins in a small Brazilian town, an Argentine historian has claimed.

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Last Updated: 10:52PM GMT 21 Jan 2009

The steely hearted "Angel of Death", whose mission was to create a master race fit for the Third Reich, was the resident medic at Auschwitz from May 1943 until his flight in the face of the Red Army advance in January 1945.
His task was to carry out experiments to discover by what method of genetic quirk twins were produced – and then to artificially increase the Aryan birthrate for his master, Adolf Hitler.

Now, a historian claims, Mengele's notorious experiments may have borne fruit.

For years scientists have failed to discover why as many as one in five pregnancies in a small Brazilian town have resulted in twins – most of them blond haired and blue eyed.

But residents of Candido Godoi now claim that Mengele made repeated visits there in the early 1960s, posing at first as a vet but then offering medical treatment to the women of the town.

Shuttling between Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil, he managed to evade justice before his death in 1979, but his dreams of a Nazi master race appeared unfulfilled.
In a new book, Mengele: the Angel of Death in South America, the Argentine historian Jorge Camarasa, a specialist in the post-war Nazi flight to South America, has painstakingly pieced together the Nazi doctor's mysterious later years.

After speaking to the townspeople of Candido Godoi, he is convinced that Mengele continued his genetic experiments with twins – with startling results.

He reveals how, after working with cattle farmers in Argentina to increase their stock, Mengele fled the country after fellow Nazi, Adolf Eichmann, was kidnapped by Israeli agents.

He claims that Mengele found refuge in the German enclave of Colonias Unidas, Paraguay, and from there, in 1963, began to make regular trips to another predominantly German community just over the border in Brazil – the farming community of Candido Godoi.
And, Mr Camaras claims, it was here that soon after the birthrate of twins began to spiral.

"I think Candido Godoi may have been Mengele's laboratory, where he finally managed to fulfil his dreams of creating a master race of blond haired, blue eyed Aryans," he said.

"There is testimony that he attended women, followed their pregnancies, treated them with new types of drugs and preparations, that he talked of artificial insemination in human beings, and that he continued working with animals, proclaiming that he was capable of getting cows to produce male twins."

The urbane German who arrived in Candido Godoi was remembered with fondness by many of the townspeople.
"He told us he was a vet," said Aloisi Finkler, a local farmer interviewed by Mr Camarasa. "He asked about illnesses we had among our animals, and told us not to worry, he could cure them. He appeared a cultured and dignified man."
Another farmer, Leonardo Boufler, said: "He went from farm to farm checking the animals. He checked them for TB, and injected those that were infected. He said he could carry out artificial insemination of cows and humans, which we thought impossible as in those days it was unheard of."

But the Nazi eugenicist did not concentrate on animals alone.

A former mayor and town doctor, Anencia Flores da Silva, set out to try to solve the town's mystery. He interviewed hundreds of people, and discovered one character who crept on cropping up: an itinerant medic calling himself Rudolph Weiss.

Dr da Silva said: "In the testimonies we collected we came across women who were treated by him, he appeared to be some sort of rural medic who went from house to house. He attended women who had varicose veins and gave them a potion which he carried in a bottle, or tablets which he brought with him. Sometimes he carried out dental work, and everyone remembers he used to take blood."

The people of Candido Godoi now largely accept that a Nazi war criminal was an inadvertent guest of theirs for several years in the early 1960s. The town's official crest shows two identical profiles and a road sign welcomes visitors to a "Farming Community and Land of the Twins". There is also a museum, the House of the Twins.
While the twins birthrate varies widely in different countries, it is typically about one in 80 pregnancies – a statistic that has left Mr Camarasa certain in his claim that Mengele was successfully pursuing his dreams of creating a master race, a real-life Boys from Brazil.

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(Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama renewed his administration's offer of dialogue and diplomacy with Tehran on Saturday, a year after his offer of a new beginning with Iran failed to achieve concrete results.

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Obama, who addressed Iranians in a new videotaped appeal to mark the observance of Nowruz -- a festival celebrating the arrival of spring -- has pledged to pursue aggressive sanctions to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

"We are working with the international community to hold the Iranian government accountable because they refuse to live up to their international obligations," Obama said in the address released by the White House.

"But our offer of comprehensive diplomatic contacts and dialogue stands."
so there still is time, and a choice...

It could come together peacefully, allowing the elected leaders to work it out...

or McCain's plan... "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran..."

it's too bad the Puppet master of Iran answers to the boys with the Anglo Saxon plan and won't let their president do what needs to be done to prevent Iran from being pounded back into the stone ages...

The little blacksmith has had many dreams of what he would really like to do with his hammer...

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