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Old 03-15-2010, 09:37 PM   #1
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Dear Friends,

I have to say something. Not much.
I just finished my review of the Avalon2 site.
I read the guidelines. Too rigorous. Actually it seems to me the one should only think about not breaking some rule, and not how to post something creative.

Also, there will be not personal pages of the members. Well, I don’t like that. Building a community without close personal relations is not possible, in my believe. All that flavors of exchanging and sharing among members were the key of the success of Avalon. We were loving one another that way. We were expressing ourselves the way we feel, giving so much beauty to one another. All that art from the heart, wanting to gave something beautiful to other members...Now, it will not be possible.
No art there will be possible, I think. And were is no art, there is no freedom. And were is no freedom, there is no truth. Were is no truth - there is nothing.

I won`t refer to all rules/guidelines of Avalon 2.
Just this - too rigorous!
Think about it, founders of Avalon2. Actually, I believe, you who are creating Avalon2, with these rules you have a way to ban any member if you just want it. You will find an excuse in these guidelines. Is that your goal?
I would like to think that you want a strict academic discussion there. Hmmm..I don’t think this is the way. Too cold. Too alienated. For me, of course.

The knowledge itself is not truth. The real truth for me is knowledge with love.

A forum that pretends to be a community and a carrier of a new light should have a broadest culture possible. All the positive heritage of humanity. To share it in an openness toward the Universe. To show who we are - humans. We are rich and beautiful. We have achievements. Most sublime ones.
This can’t be achieved with restrictions, dear friends, but with opening new and new possibilities for expressing the souls. Of the collective and of the individuals.

I appeal to Bill and the leaders of the new forum: do not go that way; it is not a path to be followed. Think one more time about keeping alive this beautiful Avalon forum. Really think.With all flavors, beauty, personal relations, all that love around, all that art and warmth…and with all mistakes, yours and ours – why not?! We are learning from them, and growing that way. Even agents and trolls – they are giving us a proof we are doing a good job…we can deal with them, don’t worry about that.

I love you all. I would like to make a mistake about this. But, I have too bitter experiences with divisions for to accept another one. Know this: In the moment when Avalon2 like this starts, it will be a sign that the final division succeed. THEY succeed!

You will all know WHO.

And you will all feel sorry that you didn`t succeed to finish the sublime and noble mission named Project Avalon.

But it will be too late.

Think. And feel.


Love&respect

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Old 03-15-2010, 09:44 PM   #2
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I want the original Avalon to continue...can we all manifest it??
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:02 PM   #3
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And you will all feel sorry that you didn`t succeed to finish the sublime and noble mission named Project Avalon.

But it will be too late.

Think. And feel.


Love&respect
Words of wisdom Oliver, hopefully it's not to late...

~ Espavo ~
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:04 PM   #4
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Yes, hopefully, Truthseekerdan.
Thank you.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:12 PM   #5
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Will humour be allowed at PA2 or have the NFO (new forum order) decided against any form of gaiety??

So far it seems as though it will be a very serious place with no hope of fun
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:14 PM   #6
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Will humour be allowed at PA2 or have the NFO (new forum order) decided against any form of gaiety??

So far it seems as though it will be a very serious place with no hope of fun
This is very serious question, dear Swanny, indeed.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:26 PM   #7
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This is very serious question, dear Swanny, indeed.
Thank you.
Read your opening post to the thread.
I havent read the rules of Av1 never mind AV2.
Not a rule person but a heart person.
When some one who is as respected as Mudra is voices concern then I take heed.
I also have the greatest respect for you as well Oliver.
Time being I sit on the fence but lean in the direction of the very valid sentiments of your first post.

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Old 03-15-2010, 10:42 PM   #8
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Read your opening post to the thread.
I havent read the rules of Av1 never mind AV2.
Not a rule person but a heart person.
When some one who is as respected as Mudra is voices concern then I take heed.
I also have the greatest respect for you as well Oliver.
Time being I sit on the fence but lean in the direction of the very valid sentiments of your first post.

Regards
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Chris, you know I respect you very much.
I expressed my concern.
Thank you for your understanding.
We must appeal to Bill to think again.

Love&Respect
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:58 PM   #9
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Chris, you know I respect you very much.
I expressed my concern.
Thank you for your understanding.
We must appeal to Bill to think again.

Love&Respect
Listen folks.
Cant we organize a petition on the forum
Very simple.
Keep Avalon as it is warts and all
Yes or no.
I dont know how but my vote is a yes.

No point talking lets do something

Chris
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:01 PM   #10
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Listen folks.
Cant we organize a petition on the forum
Very simple.
Keep Avalon as it is warts and all
Yes or no.
I dont know how but my vote is a yes.

No point talking lets do something

Chris
Agree Chris, a new thread-petition should be opened...Please, do it Chris, it is your proposal.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:17 PM   #11
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Agree Chris, a new thread-petition should be opened...Please, do it Chris, it is your proposal.
Dont know how but Im up for it.
Not being negative but a lot of work has gone into the new so Bill whom I respect has no need to accede to any poll
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:21 PM   #12
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Dont know how but Im up for it.
Not being negative but a lot of work has gone into the new so Bill whom I respect has no need to accede to any poll
Chris
Let us hope, Chris.
I also believe Bill is a man of soul.
He need to have a broader vision.
He have a possibility to lead the most beautiful group on internet in a way that made this group so beautiful.


Greetings.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:29 PM   #13
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Oliver

I’ve just read those rules. They are not far off most forum rules. Seems to me they have covered all the bases with the exception of one (below*). I think that the rule are fair and still leaves plenty of leeway. It’s basically about common sense curtsey and reasonable posting etiquette.

There would have to be a real Hitler of a moderator that would abuse these rules but they do set clear guidelines for all Mods to work off. I think if the Mods were heavy handed then the site would be a ghost town in short Time. It’s too early to say how things pan out but everyone should give it a fair go.


*There needs to be guidance to discourage un-provable claims of being psychically attacked.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:39 PM   #14
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Oliver

I’ve just read those rules. They are not far off most forum rules. Seems to me they have covered all the bases with the exception of one (below*). I think that the rule are fair and still leaves plenty of leeway. It’s basically about common sense curtsey and reasonable posting etiquette.

There would have to be a real Hitler of a moderator that would abuse these rules but they do set clear guidelines for all Mods to work off. I think if the Mods were heavy handed then the site would be a ghost town in short Time. It’s too early to say how things pan out but everyone should give it a fair go.


*There needs to be guidance to discourage un-provable claims of being psychically attacked.

Steve,

Every rule can be interpreted this or that way. I hope you know the proverb: Laws doesn`t means Justice!
I expressed my feeling about too much rules, and the possibility to misus them.

Why don`t you think what the lack of personal pages means (see my opening post)...it is essential for me!

I respect your position. You want to give a chance to Avalon2. It is OK.I want it too, but with the elements that made Avalon such a great place.

Love&Respect

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Old 03-15-2010, 11:40 PM   #15
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Ok Ive put the Poll up.

Now being very blunt.
Vote with your fingers NOW.
or the chance to vote will disappear rapidly of the front page

Yes just means keeping this forum with the adequate rules there are.
It does not mean that AV2 should be abandoned.

A no vote will mean the end to posting here.

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Old 03-15-2010, 11:42 PM   #16
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Thank you, Chris.
You did a good job.
So, Avalonians, let us see YOU!
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:44 PM   #17
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Actually it would be a splendid idea to keep Avalon(ogy) 2 purely academic & scientific.

And keep Avalon 1 as it was.

The past few days we have seen an almost complete abscence of Mods.
Nobody crossed any lines of decency, no foul language that I know of etc.

Ergo: Let Avalon 1 continue that way.
By means of experiment.

Yes, it has been tried before on other forums, & it failed, but it hasn't been tried before on THIS forum.

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Old 03-15-2010, 11:59 PM   #18
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Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:06 AM   #19
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Steve,

Every rule can be interpreted this or that way. I hope you know the proverb: Laws doesn`t means Justice!
I expressed my feeling about too much rules, and possible misusing them.

Why don`t you think what the lack of personal pages means (see my opening post)...it is essential for me!

I respect your position. You want to give a chance to Avalon2. It is OK.I want it too, but with the elements that made Avalon such a great place.

Love&Respect
With regards to rules being misused then the forum will fail. It’s my opinion there no more harsh than other forums but like you say… interpretation.

I do see your point about the friend’s social networking side not being available. Perhaps that can be conducted in a thread. Personally I don’t use it other than the PM’s, which is available in AV2. I don’t know if they’ll implement “friends” later stage but I have seen a social clique working behind the scenes. Cliques can be divisor and elitist so maybe they are trying to discourage that aspect. I would prefer to see all that sort of thing in the open and none of this back door “he said, she said, and I did, but she did this and what do you think?” …load of bollocks

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Old 03-16-2010, 12:14 AM   #20
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With regards to rules being misused then the forum will fail. It’s my opinion there no more harsh than other forums but like you say… interpretation.

I do see your point about the friend’s social networking side not being available. Perhaps than can be conducted in a thread. Personally I don’t use it other than the PM’s, which is available in AV2. I don’t know if they’ll implement “friends” later stage but I have seen a social clique working behind the scenes. Cliques can be divisor and elitist so maybe they are trying to discourage that aspect. I would prefer to see all that sort of thing in the open and none of this back door “he said, she said, and I did, but she did this and what do you think?” …load of bollocks
No personal talk is allowed on the threads, see the rule Steve...and you know what, this is a good rule...but it is not the issue.
Also, this "clique" thing is not serious, in my opinion,if some people want to make a "clique" against the forum, they will not do that on the forum`s page.

Whatever, Steve, it is 1:13 after midnight here..I am going to bed, hoping that different time zones will have something to say here.

Thank you.
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:16 AM   #21
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Sitting here nice 'n' quiet waiting for my invite.
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:31 AM   #22
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If majority of active members here ask for these boards to continue ( these very boards ) , is there anyone to take on the Admin function from Bill Ryan , perhaps ?

I feel people want to continue here . There should not exist any logical or legal reason for these two boards to be closed , there are over 6 thousand people taking part here ( not all are active allright ),
but then, people, rise your VOICE please if you have one,
else be the sheeple to be safely guided to your new house.

If you are all just waiting for what Bill and Kerry will make ready for you , you will get it.

And to the owners , please don't take my words wrong, this is not attempt for anarchy, but an opinion.

It does not dismiss the need for Avalon 2 either. Avalon 2 may be the very clean place for Bill to discuss with people, for more clarity and courtesey and consideration,
it might be looking sterile at first , but it will attract posters and interest .

But allow me to think that 6 thousand people may have also right to think that they are CO-CREATORS of this place .

Both may well continue besides each other for undertermined time till they serve their purpose.

The schism was not created by present membership as far as I am aware .

If majority wants this place to continue, then we need to do something about it .

I will be disappointed if no one is able to oppose.

Thanks for attention

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Old 03-16-2010, 12:36 AM   #23
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If it's lets see what happens it will happen as planned. Someone would have to take Administrative responsibility for this place, and ask Bill if he is kindly willing to give it.

Make a pole, vote, see how many people actually want here to continue , in real numbers .

Nothing is against anything. But if you do nothing, nothing will happen, correct ?

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Old 03-16-2010, 12:45 AM   #24
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If it's lets see what happens it will happen as planned. Someone would have to take Administrative responsibility for this place, and ask Bill if he is kindly willing to give it.

Make a pole, vote, see how many people actually want here to continue , in real numbers .

Nothing is against anything. But if you do nothing, nothing will happen, correct ?

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There is a poll that's been opened by Greybeard Agape:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21010

Love Always
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Old 03-16-2010, 01:04 AM   #25
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There is a poll that's been opened by Greybeard Agape:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21010

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I found it later, apologies and thanks. Just allow me to tell you that I'm feeling very sad, looking at it here, with the number of people who ever participated , topics discussed , thoughts shared,
the place has/had a spirit of freedom and awareness .

But what it reminds me of now, is exodus of Hebrew tribes to promised land or worse.
If our opinions do not matter to the founders now will they matter more on new board ?

Bill&Kerry, with all due respect to their work and this great project for global disclosure, peace and openness ,
have not been participating much here.
People gave it their own time, thoughts and energy.

I'm not surprised if Bill needs his own place to start all anew.

But people are not just numbers ...I thought.

I say it reminds me of something unpleasant in history I don't want to speak about. Simply, someone UP there decides for everyone without question and the loayal everyone never realizing their true nature, what was all this chat here about then ?

These people arguing that they are THE free .

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