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11-05-2009, 10:22 PM | #1 |
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Seoul closed doors meeting: The death of actual Internet
A new secret meeting, in Seoul, where they decide in secrecy the future death of the existent internet:
U.S./International Copyright Treaty Leaked, Trouble Ahead for ISPs & Users http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...sps_and_in.php According to once-secret, now-leaked sections of the new, plurilateral Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, global Internet users and ISPs might be in for a world of hurt in the near future. A U.S.-drafted chapter on Internet use would require ISPs to police user-generated content, to cut off Internet access for copyright violators, and to remove content that is accused of copyright violation without any proof of actual violation. The chapter also completely prohibits DRM workarounds, even for archiving or retrieving one's own work. Read on for details and implications. The U.S. drafted this chapter under the strictest measures to ensure secrecy. Only 42 specific persons - such as representatives of Google, Intel, Verizon, Time Warner, Sony, News Corp, eBay, the MPAA and the RIAA - were given access to the document under nondisclosure agreements: a corporate cabal hand-selected to help review the text of the final agreement. The politicians involved in creating the document are also heavily funded by entertainment, media, and IP corporations such as Sony, Time Warner, News Corp, and Disney. As with other sections of the treaty, portions of this element have been leaked online. As it stands, the leaks suggest Internet users around the world are headed for a new regime of IP enforcement - a culture of invasive searches, minimal privacy, guilt until innocence is proven and measures that would kill our normative behaviors of file-sharing, free software, media downloading, creative remixing and even certain civil liberties. Allegedly modeled on sections of the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement, the treaty would require ISPs to police user activity for possible copyright violation, and ISPs would be held responsible for any infringing content being uploaded or downloaded. This all spells a huge boon to the established entertainment industry and a huge burden for ISPs. "In order for ISPs to qualify for a safe harbor," writes Michael Geist, who has published the substance of the leaked material, "they would be required establish policies to deter unauthorized storage and transmission of IP infringing content. Provisions... include policies to terminate subscribers in appropriate circumstances." That means a three-strikes rule would apply to anyone who was accused of violating copyright in any way; ISPs would be required to terminate the user's account after three complaints from the content owner. For something as culturally accepted as downloading music, a user's entire household could be cut off from the Internet and access to information, communication, personal account management, et cetera. Geist continues, "Notice-and-takedown, which is not currently the law in Canada nor a requirement under WIPO, would also be an ACTA requirement." In other words, whether or not a piece of content or media violates copyright would be arbitrary; the content would be removed by the ISP as soon as a takedown notice was issued. The takedown would be enforced regardless of considerations such as fair use. This policy, which mirrors the DMCA, would be enforced for all nations participating in the treaty. Finally, the treaty includes a ban on circumventing DRM and other copyright-protecting measures in hardware and software, as well as a ban on the manufacture, import and distribution of circumvention tools. Again, this ban is irrespective of circumstance or content ownership and is inflexible. Our friends at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, arbiters of freer use of copyrighted material, have this to say: U.S. negotiators are seeking policies that will harm the U.S. technology industry and citizens across the globe. Three Strikes/ Graduated Response is the top priority of the entertainment industry... The ACTA text appears to leave the door open for major changes to the existing national Internet intermediary liability regimes that have been the global status quo since the mid 1990s, and which have underpinned both tremendous Internet innovation, and citizens' online freedom of expression and the rich world of user generated content that we take for granted today. European citizens should also be concerned and indignant. As reported, the ACTA Internet provisions would also appear to be inconsistent with the EU eCommerce Directive and existing national law... Are international treaties governing Internet content and intellectual property even necessary? Insofar as they fly in the face of normative cultural practices and contradict or tighten existing national laws, we find these suggested measures inflexible and unrealistic. But whether they become reality and shape the landscape of the Internet-to-come remains to be seen. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11...ee-strikes-and http://econsultancy.com/blog/4910-ac...source=generic http://techdirt.com/articles/20091103/1308526784.shtml Last edited by Karen; 11-07-2009 at 07:45 AM. |
11-05-2009, 10:34 PM | #2 |
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Re: Seoul closed doors meeting: The death of actual Internet
If we do lose the internet we must find another way to communicate.
We must keep communicating. |
11-06-2009, 12:30 PM | #3 | |
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Seems that the most reliable and affordable will be serial data transmission over the HAM radio. TPTB will eat us fry for breakfast, I'm afraid... |
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11-06-2009, 12:40 PM | #4 |
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11-06-2009, 01:31 PM | #5 |
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Re: Seoul closed doors meeting: The death of actual Internet
One can still communicate using the ISP number. This would be a good time to find all of the ISP addresses you like to visit and to bookmark them.
The easiest way to find the IP Address of a website is to: Open a Command Promt Type [without the quotes] "tracert" then a space followed by the URL Press the Return key You'll then see: Tracing route to websiteurl.com [123.456.789.321] <--- the IP Address Project Avalon: 216.18.197.195 Project Camelot: 216.18.197.195 Veritas Show: 209.40.199.38 Manticore Forum: 68.142.212.71 Red Ice Creations: 195.47.247.98 Drudge Report: 74.117.114.119 or 209.234.251.93 Coast to Coast: 81.200.64.50
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11-06-2009, 05:15 PM | #7 |
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11-06-2009, 06:27 PM | #8 |
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11-07-2009, 03:54 AM | #9 |
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Re: Seoul closed doors meeting: The death of actual Internet
anybody know youtube's IP?
or how to find IPs on a mac? i recommend : 72.52.163.140 – Urban survival |
11-07-2009, 06:30 AM | #10 |
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11-07-2009, 06:30 AM | #11 |
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We could of course fight back passively. We don't buy their products, we don't go to their movies, we veto all entertainment, we stop buying their lies they print in news papers.....but yes, we have been through all of this before......sigh
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11-07-2009, 06:36 AM | #12 | |
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If you are on a Mac, go start a terminal window (Applications->Utilities->Terminal) Then run the command: ifconfig -a which it will bring you a lot of interfaces, you may have on your computer. You should select the specific interface that you know you are connected with (Ethernet with a LAN, wireless, etc) For finding the IP of YOUTUBE, of for ANY site you want from the world, just type in the terminal window: ping youtube.com and the result will be something like: PING youtube.com (74.125.127.100): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 74.125.127.100: icmp_seq=0 ttl=33 time=256.067 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.127.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=33 time=256.451 ms .... where you can see the YOUTUBE IP address, that is facing you. If you want to see what are the rout your IP packages will make to the intended site, run the command: traceroute youtube.com the results will be a list of IP's from which your packages are passing through successively. This command is very good to know, where there is a stall or a blockade when cannot access a site. By this command you will know where the problem lies. All these are the PRO's methods. If you want something simpler, just go to "System Preferences" -> Network and in that window, downstairs, in the middle, there is a button called "ASSIST ME". You follow that directives. Hope that this could help you! |
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11-07-2009, 06:54 AM | #13 |
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never quoted myself before !!!
Perhaps that sigh was premature and indeed somewhat negative. After posting that reply I did some thinking ( new territory for me !!!). If we weigh up what they are trying to do by cutting us off at the knees, they will end up shooting themselves in the foot. I wonder what the total numbers are for internet users? Anyone have an idea, probably just a google click away, but these are the numbers they will be alienating. You can't spit in peoples faces and not expect some kind of reaction, and when it comes, I have that funny feeling I sometimes get that it will not be what they want, or expected. Lets look at the folks represented here on just this one small group. There is an amazing canvas of so many people here with extreme talents over an extremely wide field. To pick up on a gist of what I was saying in the first post...sod them. We don't need them or their material. We are quite capable of making our own. Perhaps this is the mother eagle nudging the baby from the nest? What if , WHAT IF, this had to backfire and FORCE us to grow up and wean ourselves from all that wonderful stuff we can so easily view and download, then chat about? WHAT IF, we were to start our own news networks, our own recording studios.....I think you get where I am going with this. Our talents are truly far and wide. So yes, I will retract that premature sigh, and replace it with....DO your damnedest you over bloated bureaucratic oafs, we don't need you, we don't need your frigging money guzzling fat-cats and we WILL survive just nicely thank you very bluddy much !!! Perhaps they are doing us a favour. LL&P Z |
11-10-2009, 06:23 AM | #14 |
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