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Old 10-15-2008, 04:36 AM   #26
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OceanWinds, that's a good site: http://www.silvermedicine.org/. They show you how to build your own basic generator: you just need 4 9v batteries, silver wire, 2 9v adapter caps, 2 alligator clips and you're good to go.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:26 AM   #27
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Dr Robert Beck produced some information concerning Colloidal Silver and making your own, and this info along with other protocols for blood cleansing are shown here.

The information page on making your own Colloidal Silver is at this page.

I have been making my own for some time now, and use a simple setup using pure Silver electrodes which can be purchased very cheaply from Silver Well at just A$20.00 pair of electrodes

"9999+ Silver 18cm Straight Electrodes........$20 a pair
For simple home-made D.I.Y. generators or some other brands of generators. (Not suitable for use in Silver Well generators.) Straight 7" (18cm) 12 gauge .9999 silver electrodes for $20 a pair. This is top quality wire, thicker than the 14 guage wire you'll usually get elsewhere.
Postage for electrode sets is FREE in Australia, NZ, and Pacific. When ordering electrodes use your normal postage address." See Here.


Hope this info helps, there is a lot of info out there on the net about it, and no you WILL NOT TURN BLUE with Colloidal Silver.
Hi Tez, I clicked on link for the Silver Well Generator and it was $199 I was probably looking at wrong one. Basically wanting to make our own for large family. I read the post about charging 30v etc. so would I go to Bunnings and ask for ???? Any tips and prices for generator would be great. Thanks Mate!
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:58 AM   #28
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I make and drink my own silver all the time.
You won't turn blue!
I use a silver maker that I bought from
http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/
Goto the BOB BECK TAB.
I also buy the .9999 silver wires there as well.
I use distilled water, slightly warmed in a cup that is glass.
I turn it on and set timer for 40 minutes.
I have mine run at 1.5 milli Amps (lowest , finest setting)
When done, you stir it a tiny bit and drink it all.
Yes it tastes like butt! hahahaha but it works!

I have not been sick since.
I have tested it on my wife when her throat started hurting and it cured her with one dose over night. She was back to work next day.


This stuff is really great!

Peace,
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:14 AM   #29
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Hi Tez, I clicked on link for the Silver Well Generator and it was $199 I was probably looking at wrong one. Basically wanting to make our own for large family. I read the post about charging 30v etc. so would I go to Bunnings and ask for ???? Any tips and prices for generator would be great. Thanks Mate!
I found that the best and easiest way was to buy a pair of .99999 pure silver electrodes, as mentioned previously (from Silver Well), i use one x 9 volt battery (you can use up to 3 all snapped together by their treminals) with a battery snap connector, and on the end of the wires of the connector i attached miniature alligator clips which i attach to the silver electrodes which are suspended (spaced 30 mm apart) in the 250 ml glass of water (make sure they don't touch) and leave for about 5 mins at normal room temperature.

This was my first method, prior to making up a unit that utilised a 600 ml straight sided glass jar (Fowlers Vacola Jar).
I later purchased a relatively cheap TDS metre (Total dissolved Solids Metre) so i could monitor the strength of the Co;;oidal Silver solution being made, and could make whatever strength i wished consistently.

I would advise anyone wanting to make their own to watch the Beck Video on the site i had mentioned, and to read up on all they can, it will make it so much easier for you.

I had noticed some-one else used quite a few 9V batteries in their setup, but i have stayed away from that as i had read that too high current is likely to produce ionic silver rather than colloidal silver.

Tez

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Old 10-21-2008, 11:46 PM   #30
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colloidal silver works. the problem with it is that the crooks and con
artists have given it a bad name. if it didn't work for you the reason
is you didn't have colloidal silver. the FDA did a survey of 36 brands
of colloidal silver. of those tested only 6 had ANY measurable silver
content. of those only ONE had the advertised amount. so it is critical
that you make your own to be assured that you are using colloidal
silver.

colloidal silver is easy to make. .
1) you need DISTILLED WATER. why not make at least a gallon batch? or
better yet 5 gals. since you buy distilled water in those sizes. since
distilled water does NOT conduct electricity you will need a couple
grains of salt added. you can use this first batch externally however i
advise against using this first batch internally but you can use some as
a STARTER for subsequent batches.
make a glass full then add a tablespoon to the larger amount to get it
going.
2) silver dis-associates beginning at 9.37 volts. while 2ea. 9vdc
batteries in series does work they are quickly depleted. for a more
durable method we use a common WALL WART. the plug in wall transformer
we all have a bunch of. the BEST are 12vdc output and at least 1 WATT
but 5+ is even better. i also use a SOLAR powered CS generator as well
as one that plugs into a common vehicle cigarette lighter and another
that clips to a auto battery.
3) you MUST use .999 fine silver. NOTHING LESS than .999 fine. while you
can use ANY .999 silver the best configuration is FLAT RIBBON as IONS
flow best off edges/points.

insert the silver into the water. make sure the elements don't touch
each other and that the alligator clips are not in the water. connect
the wallwart ( you've put alligator clips on the wires) and plug it in.
as stated you will see "SMOKE" bieng emitted.

when there is OBVIOUSLY colloidal silver in the container it's done.
DON"T get obsessive about PPM etc.... studies indicate 5PPM CS is
ENOUGH. when the water has the appearence of having a couple drops of
milk added it's ready to use. it's common practice to use a LASER to
view the CS. shine the LASER through it. when you can see it in the
water it's ready. thats called the TYNDAL EFFECT. heres what it looks
like

the time needed varies with the silver size, voltage, wattage etc.
usually about half hour as i describe. TIP: clean the elements with a 3m
brightener pad immediately after use before the blue discoloration
hardens.
if you want to measure the PPM use a HANNA meter ( $12)

while colloidal silver is truly miraculous for healing it is even more
so as a PREVENTATIVE. ... DRINK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. it won't possibly
harm you. we have taken HUGH AMOUNTS DAILY for over a decade. the only
side effect is PERFECT HEALTH. we use approx. 5 gallons weekly. for
instance i bottle my own distilled water for drinking. i put an OUNCE of
CS in EVERY BOTTLE.i drink several daily. the CS keeps them fresh
tasting. we use it for every use stated in my blog.

store in glass container out of the light if possible. store in plastic
for a couple months only as it plates the silver out. but some have
tested this and swear it lasts as well in plastic.
take colloidal silver BY ITSELF. do not make tea with it etc. theres no
reason. CS is nearly tasteless. i say nearly because some people can't
taste it but some can. heating does nothing to it.
since CS attaches to organic matter you weaken it by making tea with it
etc. best taken on empty stomach. by itself.
i have made thousands of gallons of CS. i know hundreds of DAILY USERS.
ALL have similar experiences. not only does it work EVERY TIME but it is
QUICK and SURE! you will have NO DOUBT about it's effectiveness.
make it! pass it around! Spread the word. teach others how to make it.
this is truly miraculous stuff. the TRUTH is that COLLOIDAL SILVER is a
SUPPRESSED MIRACLE REMEDY ! no if's an's or buts about it.

you will need a wallwart of at least 12vdc@500ma but the larger the
better. here are some suppliers.
www.goldmine- elec-products. com/pr... asp
<http://www.goldmine -elec-products. com/products. asp?dept= 1007>
www.allelectronics. com/cgi-bi. ..rs.html
<http://www.allelect ronics.com/ cgi-bi... rs.html>

www.sciplus. com/category. cfm
<http://www.sciplus. com/category. cfm?subsection= 13&category= 137>
heres some large ones
www.hosfelt. com/en-us/ dept_19.html
<http://www.hosfelt. com/en-us/ dept_19.html>

you will need .999 fine silver ribbon. here are a couple suppliers. we
use this ribbon because we've found thar ribbon works better than wire
or rod because ions flow best off an edge. if you use riogrande to buy
your silver you must say that you're making jewelry NOT colloidal
silver. for liability reasons they won't sell it to you if you say
you're making CS with it.

<https://www. riogrande. com/home/ MemberArea/ ProductTOne. aspx?assetName= 10\
1076> 101076 Item: .999 Fine Silver Strip
<https://www. riogrande. com/home/ MemberArea/ ProductTOne. aspx?assetName= 10\
1076>
Description:

Specification: Gauge: 28 Dimensions: 1/4" x .013" (6.35 x .33mm)
Length/oz.: 4.75 ft. oz./ft.: .211 Click Here for More Information
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1076> [https://www. riogrande. com/home/ pix/spacer_ frame_black. gif]
[https://www. riogrande. com/home/ pix/spacer_ frame_black. gif]
[https://www. riogrande. com/home/ pix/bkg_line_ 11x11bar. gif] [MSDS
lookup]
<http://blog. 360.yahoo. com/blog/ compose.html? msgid=yKfqklVjKw --#void(0)>
Privacy and Security
<https://www. riogrande. com/home/ help/privacy_ statement. aspx>
©2006-2007 Rio Grande 1.800.545.6566

other suppliers could be your local jeweler or

http://www.alfa. com

UPDATE! ARGYRIA ( blue people )

do not beleive this ********! just because someone says they took
colloidal silver and it turned them blue does NOT mean it's true. EVERY
person who ever got argyria that you have seen in the media did NOT take
COLLOIDAL SILVER. do some investigation for yourself! take for instance
the most recent BLUE GUY who was on OPRAH WINFREY. did you see what he
took? it looked like a glass of MUD! that was NOT COLLOIDAL SILVER. just
because he called it that didn't make it so. EVERY blue person you can
find will say, if you read thier stories, that they made extremely
strong drink. always dark grey to black in color and took an enormous
amount of it for extended periods. COLLOIDAL is a state of matter
narrowly defined by particle size and concentration. COLLOIDAL SILVER is
nearly colorless, invisible to the naked eye. THATS WHY we need to use
LASERS or HANNAH METERS to assure we have actual colloidal silver.

what those quacks made was SILVER SOLUTION NOT COLLOIDAL SILVER. silver
solution will cause argyria. but even so it takes ingestion of a large
amount over an extended time. Theres NEVER been a proven case of argyria
from properly made COLLOIDAL SILVER taken in reasonable amounts. NEVER!

I personally have taken an ounce daily first thing in the morning for
12+ years. ditto for my wife. I know DOZENS of others who have done
similar. no one has turned blue. the only noticable side effect is
PERFECT HEALTH. ALL of them haven't even had the sniffles since they
began taking PROPERLY MADE COLLOIDAL SILVER.

see my earlier blog on colloidal silver for further explanations.

heres the EASIEST and cheapest way to do it. it's simply a 9 volt
battery terminal which has been divided into two seperate wires. i got
mine from my junk box. slit the terminal open with scissors. i put a dab
of 100% clear silicone caulk on each terminal where the wire connects
for strength so the wires don't break from use.

it don't get any easier than this. the only problem is the batteries are
depleted after a few gallons of CS.

you can do the same with a CIGARETTE LIGHTER PLUG. works even better
because it's 12vdc and will work anywhere you have access to a cigarette
lighter plug.

you can also do the same thing with a small solar cell or even just two
pieces of wire hooked up to ANY electrical source of 9 volts or greater.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:48 AM   #31
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Thanks for the contribution malakai !


Updated: dont agree with adding salt.

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Old 10-23-2008, 12:24 PM   #32
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after watching the video....am i the only one who WANTS to be blue?
that would be so AWESOME!!!!
HAHAHA!
what a riot!
Quaity-i thought about that also-it'd be mad walking into the local boozer glowin' blue!!lol.

Thanks for all the info. provided here bt everyone-i shall give this a try soon.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:01 PM   #33
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Can any one help I got the silver wire from eBay as suggested I also got a note with that wire saying that chemicals have been used on the silver chemicals like anti tarnish to keep the silver looking good.

Can someone tell me how do you clean the silver before you start the colloidal silver process?

How do you clean the silver of any chemicals?

So sorry I hope you all understand what I mean its this silver I obtained


http://cgi.ebay.com/99-999-5n-Pure-S...d=p3911.c0.m14
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:01 AM   #34
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Thank you all for this thread. I just ordered a litre from a friend of mine. I plan to use it for Fibromyalgia, among other things. She gave me a fantastic price, and I trust her. Hmm..now she is talking about making gold collodial. It will be more expensive, of course, but I wonder if any of you have heard of it. Namaste
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Old 11-10-2008, 03:18 AM   #35
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I would also like to know how to make the silver free of any coatings?

Most Thanks!

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Old 05-31-2009, 04:01 AM   #36
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Yay ! The first ever batch made at Anchor's house

The link here goes to a picture in my album showing what I made...
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/a...pictureid=6884

The device on the right is a TDS meter, so I can tell how many parts per million I have managed.

This one is weak solution - it took about 9hrs to brew, starting from home steam distilled water. The rig I used was from an Aussie distributor (www.silverwell.com.au), but I think they are made in the US.

It looks pale yellow. I get a good tindal effect if I shine a laser through it. I have enough 99.99% pure silver to make about 400L if I need to, and the solar power to do it whatever happens.

Getting there!

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Old 05-31-2009, 10:25 AM   #37
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:28 AM   #38
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Nice one
Thanks

I have been reviewing the various recommendations here and elsewhere on the interwebs and there appears to be some inconsistency and inaccuracy presented regarding the purity of silver required in the electrodes. The confusion is in the number of 9's used to describe the purity, and whether or not the description is a percentage or not.

From my reading the baseline purity is that the silver used for the electrodes must be 99.99% pure, alternately referred to as 9999+, short for 9999 parts to 10000 of silver, rest is impure, also seen as 999.9/1000!

Bullion grade silver is only 99.9% (999+) pure which allows enough impurities to potentially cause problems. You would probably only want to do this if it was an emergency and if you didn't have the right silver, but you were not planning long term treatment.

Use of most silver coins not recommended. There are exceptions to this (Canadian Maple for example, which is 9999 pure) but most are only 999 pure or worse. For example: Brittania grade silver (used for UK bullion coins) is only 97.5% (975) pure and Sterling silver is only 92.5% (925) pure. With these coins you still get your troy oz's of silver, but it is an alloy, the coins weigh in at more than their Troy oz content due to the addition of other metals to toughen them up. Don't make electrodes out of these!

It is possible (but very expensive) to get 99.999% pure silver. This is very rare and specialized material. Personally I wont be doing that. By my estimate the equivalent size to the ones I have in 99999 silver would be AUD$200 or more, when the 9999 electrodes are AUD$25 and seem good to me.

In general 99.9% is not thought by many as really pure enough if you intend on taking lots of the colloidal silver internally over a long time. Personally I agree with them, but as ever there is no hard research to back this up, just hearsay. I do think there is a case for moving to the next higher grade (9999) as this reduces the impurities by a factor of 10.

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Old 05-31-2009, 07:20 PM   #39
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Hi, i used 30 volt DC,and the way i did it is as follows:first i got water for injection(distilled water works as well) and i heated it up in the microwave until it started to boil,then i took my silverrods(pure silver 99,99999) and sunk them down in the heated water and run the 30 volts thru it,the volume was about 70 centiliteres, i did not add any salt to the water, after 10 minutes i heated it again in the microwave (until it started to boil),after the first 10 minutes the water had not turned yellow, but after the next 10 minutes it started to shift in to yellow, and i heated it again and then it got to be the right color, first when i tasted the water, it tasted a bit like metal, but that`s because my silver was low in my body,after a few days it tasted almost like normal water, the thing is, when i did my silverwater it worked best when i used a jugg that had almost straight sides,and the silverrods,aproxametly(sorry for my spelling) 2-3 centimeteres apart,anyone can di this,i bought my silver from the company that deliveres to all the jewelerystores, they have the"finesilver" that is needed for making colloidalsilver, nothing but the purest silver is good enough, i bought 3 meters (2-3mm in diameter)of silverrod,it cost me 700 kr. and that is in dollars aprox. 100 dollars i think.golden color is the key and pure water(distilled) the heat makes it alright,no need for salt.30 vdc i have found works the best.kari
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:46 AM   #40
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Quick Update:

After a weeks, "risky" research, I can confirm that my 8ppm CS brew when used in one a spray bottle makes excellent under-arm deoderant.

The only cosmetics in my bathroom now are soap, shaving soap, toothpaste, shampoo and colloidal silver.

A..

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Old 06-14-2009, 02:08 PM   #41
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I have been making my own silver for about a year now. I'm so happy with it and I can't tell begin to tell you all the ways it has helped my family

One thing that I do now is put a few drops in my coffee after I make it as my husband has been getting such acid off of it. Boy does this ever make our coffee taste fantastic. You just never know what goes in your coffee beans. LOL


I wanted to answer a question on it being pure........It will be clean and clear. If you have any taste to it or it is discolored................toss it out. Do not pour too much down your drains either.......just being cautious over here.

I love my silver !
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Pale yellow is fine. I made mine with extra pure silver and steam distilled water, and I get either clear or very pale yellow.

Whats do you mean by "do not pour too much down the drains"? As if I would, given the effort it takes to make it, but hypothetically, what would be the problem?

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Old 06-25-2009, 05:31 PM   #43
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Brewed some today!!!
Bought my Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from USA
http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml

Also bought the recommended manual which is BRILLIANT!
http://www.lifeandhealthresearchgroup.com/

Voltage and fluid conversions necessary, as a pint in USA is not the same as a UK pint!!!

Used AQWSAFE Bottled Distilled Water http://www.aurainnovations.com/ Tested to 0ppm dissolved solids.
"AQWSAFE Bottled Distilled Water is produced and bottled in our own warehouse. We produce the water in our twin Polar Bear 200L Distillers and have a holding capacity of 600 Ltrs. We currently supply distilled water in multipules of 1 Ltr, 5 Ltr and 25 Ltr containers, but our minimum order quantity is 5 Ltrs."

NB: 1 quart (2 US pints) = 1.66 pints UK.

Generator green light not intense, but on nonetheless....

Used old mid-sized sterilised (no chemicals involved) dry Kilner jar for fruit preserving with rubber seal and glass lid, then screwed down externally with metal fixing. This was perfect for putting the machine on. Didn't fill jar to top to leave at least 1.5" in case of splatters.

Made sure it didn't vibrate too much on a stone worktop by putting jar on kitchen paper, and jamming generator between two large flower vases (or equivalent)!!! No movement.

In UK I bought a step-down voltage converter from Maplins online: RP90X UK/US StepDown 45VA.

Didn't need timer - just monitored time myself! 3 hours.

During process 1 wire went dark grey, and in the end seemed to be exuding streams of minute 'bubbles'.

After 3 hours, switched off, wiped base of generator but no splatters left.
Removed wires and wiped until shiny again, dried and stored in kitbag.

Decanted into sterilised (no chemicals involved) and dried used brown beer bottle, with vacuum rubber wine bottle sealer - again sterilised.

Storing in dark place, no electrics nearby.

Drank (after swilling it round my mouth for about 20 seconds first) 4 fluid ounces, as husband has the vilest flu - he can hardly breathe - doc didn't test him for swine flu (they don't seem to be bothered these days - ostrich NHS) but I'm VERY VERY worried as I have COPD already!!!.
Gave him some also.
Slight metallic taste.

Will monitor dosage up or down depending on symptoms as per recommended invaluable manual.

Am off now to sort out 'swine flu' probs - as OH's clients are from all over the world. Blast!!!
Wish me luck....
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:23 PM   #44
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:36 AM   #45
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I went to Radio Shack this weekend to buy a 13.5/30V , 10000mA power pack, but they did not have one so I purchased one that is 18/24V, also 10000mA, with a switch that allows me to choose 18 or 24. After reading all the posts on here, I'm thinking that this unit will not work. I don't understand voltage stuff, (female here, not my speciality).

I can return it for a full refund, & may search somewhere else for a 30V pack. Can someone please explain to me if this one 18/24 will produce a strong enough solution, or not. Also when I was considering buying the aligator clips, Radio Shack had them only in copper, so I did not buy them, as I was unsure about using copper?

I still have to buy the silver strips. Help.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:07 AM   #46
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BEST are 12vdc output and at least 1 WATT
but 5+ is even better.

you will need a wallwart of at least 12vdc@500ma but the larger the
better.

you can do the same with a CIGARETTE LIGHTER PLUG. works even better
because it's 12vdc and will work anywhere you have access to a cigarette
lighter plug.

you can also do the same thing with a small solar cell or even just two
pieces of wire hooked up to ANY electrical source of 9 volts or greater.
So I could use a 12v car battery???
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:55 AM   #47
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So I could use a 12v car battery???
there are different opinions about the voltage needed...


I'm using 19,2 v (constant current) with excellent results...
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:09 PM   #48
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So the "Blue Man" was on the Today show again this morning for a follow up story. An attempt by the PTB to discourage people from taking colloidal silver for H1N1? I think so...
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:31 PM   #49
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One downside to this is if you take alot over a long period of time, you turn blue like a Smurf! Ladies and Gentlemen, the real life Papa Smurf! http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22536241/
Bill "the Doctor"

Im not blue or grey and I have been using it for over two years.

so thats all BS Just make sure you use clean water

Anyhow, if I do change colors, I will still be ME
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:06 PM   #50
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Default Re: Colloidial Silver Do it Yourself

Here is my system and all the components anyone needs to make one

the system complete image #1


the 2nd image showing the power supply and I'll explain my choice of voltage in stating that the smaller the voltage the smaller the colloids and better quality the solution.. it does however take more time. (12 hours for a 9ppm solution) but much less chance of an ionized solution ..I want silver colloids , not ions.


3rd image is a close-up of the cap modifications .. it's just a plastic mason jar lid with two holes for the silver rods (99.9999) and one in the center for the aerator hose that keeps the solution mixing during the process.. I show a battery type but one can use one from a aquarium setup.. not absolutely needed, but does at to the quality and size of colloids.


hopefully the images will help folks that would like to make their own .. just remember the higher the voltage the larger the colloids and closer to ionization one gets.. I'll try to find the article that I read before making this one setup... but anyhow, the smaller the colloid the better the solution can be used by the body. the lower voltage (well under 9v DC) the better and the aeration improves it even further..

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