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I understand fully what you say, the difficulty here seems that love has been interpreted (or utilized by the leaders) as "sentimental love"...conditional love...
Love is not sentimental nor coodependant love just is unconditional. Unconditional means "without conditions" Same can be applied to sympathy...most of the charitable work gets done out of pitty and the "guilt" people feel that they are better off than others; the root of the problem is in the inequality of the economic system and charities are solely the "band aid" that help us sleep at night if we live in a 1st world country. Compassion on the other hand is giving to others what they need, even if it is a though lessons, not what we want to give to make us feel better. This is and extract from http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/un...onal_love.html Unconditional Love We all dream of it, novels, songs and plays have been written about it and yet nobody can give you a straight definition of what it is and how you can recognize it. Unconditional love is a vibration that resonates all throught the cosmos, the creation, our universe and all universes. It is GOD or All that Is. It is the raw material of EVERYTHING that exists, existed and will exist. Unconditional love is the malleable force behind every particle; it extends from the smallest to the biggest. The air around you is filled with unconditional love, which is one of the ways GOD is everywhere inside and outside you. Try some conscious breathing when you feel sad and lonely and experience the miracle by yourself. Every particle, atom, cell in your physical body is filled with the vibration of unconditional love. And what can be more unconditional than that, cells work for us, keep our body together and we never say thanks do we? Think about your cells and get to know them and share their love. It is truly a very moving experience. Unconditional love is what your soul gives you liberally when you finally decide to go inwards and work with it. And gosh, it is so incredible, so beautiful and so indescribable! It is a kind of feeling that when you have felt it once you have to have more and you find out that nothing in this planet of illusion can really measure up to that. And the love of the Masters, like Lord Sananda, Lady Nada and the Divine Mother. A vibration of true ecstasy that will lift you to the light just by calling their names. (Try saying Sananda, Sananda, Sananda....etc. it really works!) We can not “fall in love” we are love, we just need to accept that and look for it in the temple of our own hearts where all that the universe is resides in potential. You will say that is unattainable but it is not true. It takes work and commitment to rid yourself of the darkness within, and work integrating the personality as we have explained before, and surrendering to your real master, your beautiful and immortal soul. Once you are prepared to let go of the illusion and pain of this world, it is really easy if you follow the advice we are giving to you. Try it, experiment, be an explorer of the inner planes. The rewards are worth a king’s ransom. xxxxx Love |
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If the ego is removed we are left with the devine being which is our true self. The ego is only able to percieve a false sense of reality because our egos senses are limited to sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell and as a result can only give us a very limited perception of the world around us. We are very limited at our ability to correctly define the world around us using the ego although it does a good job on certain aspects such as when we are crossing the road, our ego reminds us that there are cars which use this road, it then reminds us to listen, look left and look right before we may safely cross. Without the ego we do not need to look left and right, we simply know if it is safe to cross because we are in tune with the world, in tune with the one energetic vibration which connects us all. The ego seperates. We are by our very essence all connected which automatically makes the ego a false concept and a false sense of reality. |
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There is not a false or true sense of reality, there is only your perception of it.... wich is indeed real, as everyone is no matter what. You can accept relativity because is a fact. Perceptions are perceptions, they are real as they are processed by the brain, what you could see them as not real is because you try to put them under a context wich is not their own so they are out of place then they are unreal to that one. Comparing ourselves to a painting, the true self would be a white unpainted thing, the ego makes the beautiful painting. If you don´t like you ego, try to fix it, but dont blame it of your bad life experiences, that´s irresponsible and a set of excuses wich makes you powerless everytime you use them. Last edited by Deoxyan; 11-06-2008 at 01:58 PM. |
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Interesting discusion.
As far as ego is concerned, i believe it is part of the template in which we incarnate into and the ultimate challenge the spirit must overcome. Once incarnated, the battle is on between ego and spirit with the goal of spirit mastering, but not destroying the ego. The ego has many advantages - not the least being that it is materially driven and in the material plane, so it has home ground advantage so to speak. If the spirit wins, ie, sees materialism for what it is, and happily emerses itself in it while maintaining detatchment, then it wins and can progress to the next level. I get the feeling my spirit chose the "easy" level, what living in Australia in a nondescript middle class environment. Imaging incarnating into, say, George Bush - the not so bright son of a powerful crime boss. Wow, that would be like, extreme difficulty. That particular spirit that incarnated into George Bush JR has had a pretty bad game up to now hehe. It's all just a game As to "enlightenment" I believe achieving enlightenment is a challenge in itself, because it brings the ego back into play. To me "enlightenment" is knowing what the game is all about: ie, that we live in a magical world where believe/will manifests, certainly on a collective level, but also at an individual level. Once you have that sussed out, what do you do with that power? Do you use it to attract money and wealth? Beautiful women? Power? It's all there for the taking after all. Enter the ego.......... Last edited by Triaxis; 11-06-2008 at 02:27 PM. |
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my ego helps me wonderfully on givin pleasures to my spirit.
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Same here
I don't subscribe to the monk theory of isolating yourself from materialism to quash your ego. I think the key is to emerse yourself in the material world, revel in it even, but see it for what it is (a wonderful illusion) Do that, then your spirit guides your ego, not the other way around. Easier said than done of course, but it' the philosophy i (my spirit) tries to live by. |
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But well, how do you wish the world to naturally evolve to solve all contradictions, the very lack of meaning in life, if you don't believe in the intentions of the Law of One? The meaning of life is seemingly to find meaning in life, amusing how even the most basic question is a paradox! The world cannot go on like this, there must be change. We are about to destroy ourselves, growing too large for this planet, and our 3d physical bodies cannot hope to survive a travel to another solar system to begin anew. Even if you believe it's **** and tricks and sinister purposes, what else can we believe in. What is the best course for humanity? Last edited by ayadew; 11-06-2008 at 04:20 PM. |
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i have to agree that some of our greatest powers can be, and are, one of our greatest weaknesses. Because they can be misused to confuse us into believing things that in the end disempowers us. Depending on the techniques used the atractor factor used has to be some wich is considered a great one by the people like love, god, oneness happiness, and the list goes on an on.... then once they have taken the bait, they can be mentally devoured, creepy indeed when you realise how many people do that.
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Good Luck to you! To all who continue in the old ways of the ego.
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you are probably wrong. you didnt understood what i have said. Not surprising, people tends to be narrow minded to new ideas about how you can live your life with the true freedom u are given. This is a war on consciousness, not a war on truth. A war for the souls and the power of the people. Not a contest on showing who is more accurate to the truth.
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Deoxyan...
Anybody who does not see that you have very valid point is mistaken. I think that you posting this took alot of courage because of the amount of people around here who think that by just sitting on their ass and saying I love you is going to save everything. The oneness, I love you feeling is a great theory and probably has alot of truth to it.... We are all one the evil and the good.. But too many times it is used to stop thinking and constructive thought.... It blocks responses... People just respond... I love you... or we are all one... Then the conversation has to end there... They feel they are right and so they dont have to contemplate anything else... I think that it is very similar to how people can be tricked into believing this whole Obama mess. Either way... GREAT THREAD Deoxyan |
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Im sorry to say i see the people in general are very little empowered themselves. Many ideologies, who claim to empower the individual, fail end up being deceptions and mind control programs.
That would be good in case nothing happens, and the world goes on the same as always, that boring way. But, if that ends up not being the case, i encourage empowerment, not as the solution to the problems, directly, but as a way of realization in a expanded degree of what you are capable of (your potential) under this human experience. This is not a question of courage, it´s a question... that i have nothing better to do than this: the power is not in the truth, the power is in yourself. Because the power resides out of dimensional frames of reference. You are Adimensional. |
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Am not really here to chat about the main thread topic, but was interested in what you just said (quoted above)... I think this is so true, especially when it comes to ANY belief system, be it spiritual approach, or religious, or political, or anything else for that matter!).. I tried to explain this on one of my other posts somewhere... we humans often get so 'fixed'/attached to our beliefs and ideas of what is "right" or "the answer" or the "way" (sometimes without even realising it)... and thus we rarely remain TRULY open to the moment.. to opening up/exploring/changing our minds.. once we've taken on board/grown attached to/'found' a particular belief/set of beliefs that makes sense or 'worked' for us at a given time. strange.. given so many people feel "open" or "enlightened" or "aware" in so many ways.. that we can all also be somehow so totally 'closed' about changing/re-considering, even challenging our own views/opinions/beliefs! how many of us truly remain open to re-approaching/re-examining/questioning our own views/conclusions/beliefs... on a regular basis? I went through this process personally, with the whole "co-creation" idea several years ago.. and was quite amazed to find my some of my old firmly-held spiritual/life beliefs had fallen away .. after many many years of stubbornly holding onto an idea that made so much sense to me at the time... it felt like a sort of release/relief in some ways.. .. like I'd shed another layer of my own spiritual onion!! Amazing really.. what a quite stubborn/inflexible bunch we are here on Earth, in many ways! |
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The ego itself is the base for the argument "help me, help you" which is a fundamental base of all relations, if you view it in an egoistic perspective. So.. perspective. Perspective is a contradiction of the Absolute Truth, which is what we all want to know, that's why we discuss... I am reluctant to submit my own will and base for existence, my ego, to some collective consciousness. But perhaps we will know far greater things than what we can fathom in this 3d perspective. The contradictions of the world are undeniable. They exist only because we try to understand the world with a limited mind. I am not satisfied with this existence. Are you? |
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Being not satisfied with this existence makes you ego to automatically search for the proper energy motives to get out of your situation. Sometimes that could end to ego trying to kill himself to be released of the suffering. Funny to realize that happens so frequently.
I think the discussion about the absolute truth is an absolute waste of time. by now im satisfied in one side and unsatisfied in another wich gives sense to my spiritual condition, the condition of the one who wants to travel elsewhere. |
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Wow, you must have been in a few of those societies that controlled the population with "be good", and "we love you" electronic implants. We have seen quite a number of them in our sessions. Yup, I've got their number
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Yeah, it's a complete waste of time, we don't have any means to know any. I also agree with that the ego is a valid path in life, I respect it, and you make valid points. But I wish to continue to be influenced, and cannot stop until I've explored all possibilities, which I likely never will hehe. |
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The only thing that kills it, in my view, is chronic seriousness. I think I've pretty much explored all of the possibilities external to myself (same ole same ole) and now I am busily exploring the possibilities within myself. Perhaps after awhile I will begin to manifest external possibilities for others to enjoy. |
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Hi Deoxyan
First of all, great thread. I think the Bronte Baxter (Splinter in the mind) blog is very thought provoking. Before commenting, I thought I would try to find a good definition of what I think the ego is being defined as: http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/encyclopedia/ego.htm But, after reading that I feel that the ego helps us translate our earthly experiences to our spiritual plane and I feel that is needed for balance. I need my heart (soul) and my mind (ego) to function as a whole person. It is all about balance in the here and now; before we can even get close to the Divine within. Unconditional Love and Oneness are the product of a balanced human experience and being that we don't yet reside in the ethereal world, how can we ascertain that balance without the mind (ego)? It is all very ponderous and I know just enough not to be inflexible in my opinion. |
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Amnessia can make you forget who you are so, great for that to be done, the plan of god. Well, i never use the word god, i use the word source. We are the source under amnessia, probably. We came to be what we are because it was pointless to be the source without amnessia because that cannot exist, it can only exist under the conceptualizations we make, and speculate about, as far as i know, from our external dimensional coordinates of reference we have, the ego. Internally, we are the source, externally, all that you perceive, even your spirit, emotions, and thoughts, those all are external features of your dimensional location now. for me all this suppositions only are logical conclusions, but, i don´t think that is all there is, or all there it can be. Last edited by Deoxyan; 11-06-2008 at 10:37 PM. |
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It does seem that we have had more than one sleeping and fresh awakening, thus more than one "beginning". I'm still scratching my head about that.
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