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12-17-2009, 05:33 AM | #26 | |
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"Similar trees appear in other religions. The same story with male, female, serpent and tree can be found - 22 centuries before the version of the story we know from the Bible - depicted on a mesopotamian cylinder seal, so the later versions are - more than probable - copies of the original." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of..._good_and_evil Spiritual truth does not require any book whatsoever. Certan authors give someone a great start to recognizing Spirit within their soul, but Spiritual truth is utterly totally non-cognitive, i.e. animals and small children know spiritual truth. Knowing certain facts or names or doctrines or commands is worthless, spiritually. I think studying ancient books is a complete waste of time, spiritually. |
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12-17-2009, 11:39 AM | #27 | |
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12-17-2009, 06:53 PM | #28 | |
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The narrow path, if you will, that FEW will find. And certainly MANY have found the RELIGIOUS path. |
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12-17-2009, 07:01 PM | #29 |
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12-18-2009, 03:01 AM | #30 | |
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12-18-2009, 04:13 AM | #31 | |
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Words and thoughts are in books and stories and the mind. Spiritual learning is non-cognitive, no stories, no thoughts, no emotions. It's nothing personal. |
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12-18-2009, 05:02 AM | #32 |
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I agree with this. i am so interested in the teachings of buddha and christ and others and really take them to heart, but nothing they say will ever teach me anything. what i take away from great people like that is reinforcement that there is a bigger picture here, that other people have gone after spiritual greatness and succeeded, and a feeling that i'm not alone on the journey.
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12-18-2009, 05:08 AM | #33 | |
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Thanks for putting that into words. In my clearing sessions I see imagery and sometimes a word or phrase will come as an answer to my practitioner's question. The imagery is not necessarily what is really there, merely how I am seeing it. Sometimes I see only a metaphor. I have to put my normal intellect somewhat at bay if I wish to get the full benefit of clearing. It is a different world, but nonetheless just as valid a world as the world of intellect. Zen practices help one "kill" the compulsion to use the mind for EVERYTHING. Gnosis |
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12-18-2009, 05:17 AM | #34 | |
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That's the point of spirituality is to purify past negative energies and be the immaculate presence that an innocent child also is... You learn that your mind does not sit on top of you and own you or contain you. The mind essentially has to get below, underneath, out of the way, it's like soul scuba diving. Ego is like a periscope on a submarine... |
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12-18-2009, 05:45 AM | #35 | |
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Interesting. My radionics reading shows that "Topography of Consciousness" is a highly charged chain of incidents in my case. I plan to clear off the negative charge and fixed polarities after I finish running the chain of "Key-In Mechanism" negative incidents. I hope that is understandable the way I worded it. Gnosis |
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12-18-2009, 05:55 AM | #36 |
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no need for a map
when the treasure is found teachings are just that pointings like the moon in the well not really there we will have to look up and walk the walk learning is a process an unfolding of understanding a life in bloom treat truths as trash til one cannot part with it and must live it |
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12-18-2009, 07:16 AM | #38 | |
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Here's the thing, all the great dramas and mythical battles are right in every person's soul, to be had and enjoyed. The richness of the infinite mystery... is in every soul |
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12-19-2009, 02:44 AM | #39 |
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12-19-2009, 03:31 AM | #40 |
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In my opinion, no book can ever hope to replace decades of oral traditions passed on from person to person, lessons that have more than just a shred of truth (when compared against the "Bible").
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And also, 'Lucifer' doesn't exist as the character presented in the bible. You may have heard how the name mentioned in Isaiah was really a mistranslation, and was actually referring to the Babylonian king of the time. I won't go into the detail of how it should have been translated as Day Star, etc. except to give this link which pretty much covers it, if anyone is interested or hasn't yet heard... Quote:
He actually gets confused between two different guys named Zechariah. It might not seem like a big deal to most, but to a bible inerrantist, like my old self, it's pretty significant. Let me explain: In Matthew 23:35 Jesus mentions Zecharias son of Barachias as the one being slaughtered between the temple. However he is confusing the slaughter of Zechariah son of Jehoida in 2 Chronicles 24:20-22, with the author of the Old Testament book of Zechariah (Zechariah 1:1) who was the actual son of Berachiah. Also, as my jewish friends can explain, the 'Suffering Servant' of Isaiah 53 is actually the nation of Israel itself, not a literal person, ie. no jews have ever taken that passage as a prophecy of their messiah and thus waiting for it to be fulfilled... Thankyou to all others who have als added to this thread, I've enjoyed your posts and will follow up on those links posted when I have more time. (I'm on my parents c'puter at the moment, for holidays... Happy Solsitice everybody). |
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12-20-2009, 03:29 AM | #42 |
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I too am an ex christian ,but since leaving I have been able to understand jesus teaching alot better ...
he taught the universal laws in a way easy to understand even for the least learnard person .The bible I really dont know what part is right or wrong its a mistery and to many theories to find the truth ... The God i know in side. is like a father who guides his child from danger , he wants the best ,never asking for anything in return ,even if you ignore him he still loves you .and as you grow he sits back and watches you .. jesus is my brother who walks with me each day ,when i fall he he picks me up ,and when things get to heavy he carrys them for me .. he also watches and waits as brother do he guides us to seek him saying dont forget me he says i am here for you . if you witness my presents i will witness you .for I am your brother who dwells in side you . peace ,love and light .... |
12-20-2009, 03:36 AM | #43 |
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I did go through a fanatical christian phase before I woke up to the 'truth'. My spiritual journey began when I was reading a book on metaphysics. When I understood and knew that reality was not what it seemed, I experienced a spiritual awakening in which I felt great pain and release in my chest and up to my neck. I have never fully understood that experience, but ever since then I have felt the light and love vibration in my 3rd and 4th chakras. It my be somehow connected to many lives of being a lost soul and of horrid child abuse and neglect in a very recent life I had (at the hands of my father, but it turns out that my father went through the same circumstances of abuse. Probably even worse). I am still greatly sufferring, but I am trying to get through it the best I can.
What I found out about Christianity was that one cannot dpend on anything outside of itself to save them, the person/entity can only save itself. Also Islam also holds the same belief in Hell (and a type of buddhism or taoism, i do not recall exactly) so then how can one know which one is the truth? I also discovered, as you had, that Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the empire and that the old god/goddess staues were made into saint states etc. etc. Christianity is merely the collection of many many old pagan traditions etc. etc. I could rant forever on this... Well Christianity was what I came to believe in due to what I thought, and many others, that I had to save myself from Hell. I discovered that there are certainly other religions like this on many other planets and that they are totally irrelevant to the truth of the greater reality. Do you think that aliens give a heck over what our religions have to say? NO Thank you for your account and love to you. |
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"Don't throw out the Christ baby with the bathwater" is what I say.
Sure religions are used to control people, however there is an option beyond either accepting the religious beliefs about Jesus being born of virgin, being the only son of god, and a blood sacrifice for an angry god in the sky, there is an alternative indeed, I would call it Truth. Who put Jesus to death in the story? The scribes and the Pharisees that's who. The religious elite of the day. They preached that God was outside of you, that the messiah would come and reward them and vanquish all those who did not go to the right church and practice in the ways they said you should practice. The exact same way fundamentalist preach today. Yet Jesus message was simple, when you learn to connect with the messiah within you, the Father within, you can do the works that I can do only greater works that these you can do. He taught us to pray to "OUR" Father, meaning, we share the same Father, the consciousness of Being within us. I strongly suggest that Jesus mission is about to be fulfilled, and it will be fulfilled because a critical mass, a Christ Mass of people will choose to follow in Jesus footsteps and Gautama Buddha footsteps, and BE reborn into the reality of who they are in Oneness with their own "Father / I AM" within ~~~ I guess the proof is in the pudding ~ I suggest connecting to our heart center and remaining open to the possibilities because there is always MORE. |
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It's encouraging to meet others who have left christianity but not gone totally materialist. It often seems like society is divided between extremists of either religion or materialist secularism, but coming to Avalon is showing me alot of the spiritual spectrum inbetween.
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Through New Dawn magazine I came across Richard Smoley, the author of the book 'Inner Christianity'. His articles take a more gnostic approach, and the metaphorical / metaphysical approach to the basic teachings of Jesus seems the best way to take it. Personally I'd prefer a different word than 'christ', but I don't reject the concept of the 'saviour/kingdom of heaven' within, or the idea that life's struggles are the crucifying of each of our own ego's, etc. To me that's true spirituality yet it's personal, individual and unique to each seeker. |
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Oh how I hate labels…
WE ARE ALL “ET’s” Premise: Our physical body is obvious that originated on this planet “the human”, and that can be questionable as well, but what about our spirit, our conscious? That is the reality: We are all One, and this One has no boundaries. We are all part of the of the eternal, so in essence we are all ET’s Do I believe that Jesus was the Son of the almighty GOD with a big “g”? YES, we all are. Do I believe that Jesus was a GOD? Yes. we all are in essence Do I believe that Jesus was an ET? Yes, see above What do I expect from ET’s? One already came once and changed the world for ever. Showed us the way for true freedom and what did we do? Put in on a cross! What else can I ask from ET’s? Am I a "Christian"? YES, in essence we all are. (detached from any religion). If we are all pursuing LOVE. The question that I think is most relevant is: WHO are these other ET’s that have been peeking around our planet for thousands of years, if not from the beginning of the creation of humanity in the physical form. We must be MOST aware that there is a universal law called: FREE WILL How are these other ET’s exercising this law of free will in relation to us humans and in this planet of ours and that for some reason we can’t seem to remember who we are? Love and Peace in learning Roland Last edited by rfebres; 12-20-2009 at 04:11 PM. |
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Can some one tell me why jesus called himself Son of man ..this I am un sure of ..
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This is my interpretation, but I might be wrong. I hope that made sense Roland |
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yES thank you it does make sense I asked this on another forum and the reply was it means hu-man [simular] ,jesus did say do ye not know ye are God s in the making i believe ..thank you ....
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