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I think its funny that early on in this thread that I replied to a post and was "reprimanded" for it by a mod...yet here many others are doing it and none of their posts are being edited by a mod....what the heck? I know the mods do not like me...but fair is fair right?
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12-28-2009, 02:51 AM | #527 |
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Hi everybody, this is a clarification note about my previous posts (pag. 20. #478 and pag. 20. #494) regarding “real” versus “faked-Bluebeam” ET disclosure scenario (good ETs vs. dark ETs)”, because today I’ve just read two articles from two PC interviewees (David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford) who seem to give contradictory info about Barack Obama. So, one of them must not be correct. I highly recommend their two articles, they are very interesting. In summary: Benjamin Fulford’s comments about Barack Obama December 28, 2009 http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/ Excerpt: David Wilcock’s comments about Barack Obama Dec-24-09 http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2 Excerpt (Pag. 3-5): Note from qbeac: David Wilcok’s article is very long, I recommend reading the whole thing, but I’ll just summarize several important points of what David says: a) David says there are at least three main factions in the power structure of this world (pag. 3-5): Questions to Bill and Kerry: 1) David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford are both Project Camelot interviewees, but they seem to have contradictory opinions about Barack Obama…Thanks. qbeac. Last edited by qbeac; 12-28-2009 at 11:10 PM. |
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Hi all,
I believe that everything is perfect Right Here, Right Now. And Right Here Right Now is all there is. Forget about the past. It does not exist, except in your memory. Drop it. And stop worrying about how you're going to get through tomorrow. Life is going on Right Here, Right Now -- pay attention to that and all will be well. Embrace the present moment with gratefulness and wonder, and you will turn it into whatever you have been waiting for. |
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As far as the Obama opinions, I would have to side with Fulford on this one. Something is just not right with David's story. He is fully defending (and is accusing anyone that doesn't agree of being a fear monger) a communist set of ideals and says that it is ok to do this because they are not one of the other 2 factions, so they must be good guys. I can't in good conscious stand behind socialist ideals because they coincide with a faction that might be behind a disclosure movement. Does disclosure automatically give us free energy, peace on earth, no illness, no war, no pollution and a Kumbaya song for all? I am thinking the truth is what is right, disclosure is right, but it is not going to solve all our problems. Neither is Obama |
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Would it be possible to get PC whistle blowers and other people you interviewed (including Greer) all together in one room....no cameras...not tape recorders...no "outside people" and let them talk to each-other...exchange experiences...compare notes....solve and re-solve the contradictions.... no need to come out with the working 0 energy device or a detailed plan on how to make it...you made it clear not doing that keeps you all alive...ok but how about coming out (in general...no great specifics if you can not) with some common ground you can all work on.... the point is in getting together...insiders connecting the dots...better organization....better knowledge...gaining an advantage....solving the BIG QUESTION....focusing on the main point....setting a goal....finding the final answer.... i am willing to donate (more than people donate on average) to that cause happening...and I think there are many others that would see the benefit for all of us in this happening that would also donate (if need be)...like traveling expenses etc... etc EDIT:typos Last edited by Spregovori; 12-28-2009 at 01:32 PM. |
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Thank you, Cardillac, I guess all of us are trying to figure out “the Big Picture” (the main and most important elements of the puzzle) and also the way in which we all can help to bring to fruition a better future for this world. One think anybody can do is SPREAD THE WORD of what’s going on, because all of this is being censored in MSM. So, I encourage people to do that: tell everybody, tell your friends, family, local authorities, etc. Speak out!
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12-28-2009, 02:32 PM | #534 |
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Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)? Last edited by qbeac; 12-28-2009 at 04:48 PM. |
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I would like to add one other possibility for Obama. We have all heard of something called a "false flag" where the government does something and blames it on an enemy. IMHO Obama is a false flag. He's very charming, likable and over all very entertaining. Like an actor, a Hollywood actor. When Obama was first elected I found the magazines comparing him to previous presidents like Lincoln, JFK and Roosevelt rather disturbing. First he hadn't done anything yet but what I found most disturbing was the trio all died in office. I recall an awful lot of predictions of Obama being assassinated. The new reported he receives 30 death threats a day...something else I found odd for our propaganda news source to report. In all I believe Obama was appointed for the sole purpose of "dying" in office and becoming a martyr. I do not think he will actually die but rather his death will faked. Obama swept away to a isolated island. Once Obama is supposedly dead I expect to see a fury of activity to get non popular measures passed in his memory. Obama has already been elevated by the media to that of a god. They have called him a messiah. Obama is an actor on a stage. |
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You won't get David Wilcock on here where people can say what they want to him, he will only accept Ego stroking and praise, you only have to look at the comments he allows to be posted on his site to see that. Anything that doesn't agree with his views or that arrent complements for him, gets deleted.
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The recent comments by qbeac & Spregovori on resolving contradictory/inconsistent information raise an important issue.
qbeac (#527) mentioned an inconsistency in the views of Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock on Obama. Here's another example. In an article posted today, Fulford explains as follows re: the Nov 09 hacking of emails from a server at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia: "Russian BDS [Black Dragon Society] members hacked the East Anglia University computers and proved the "global warming" campaign was based on false data." http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/ David Wilcock provides a very different account in "Disclosure Endgame" part 3: "As of November 2009, the Rockefeller faction -- now in complete free-fall after losing the 2008 election -- was almost certainly responsible for leaking the "Climategate" emails. This was a blatant, desperate attempt to destroy the credibility of any arguments to reduce our fossil fuel consumption -- and thereby preserve whatever shreds of economic power and oil money they still have at this point." http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2 These are very different accounts of the same incident. I agree with Spregovori/532 re: the need to create a situation whereby contradictions in the testimony of PC whistleblowers and others can be resolved. This would help to clarify the point where assumptions are shaping the interpretation of the facts. Ideally this process should be open for input from others. Last edited by synaxis; 12-28-2009 at 08:21 PM. Reason: Added URL |
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EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything? Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda. And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt. |
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Absolutely stunning interjection Abraxasinas... is anyone paying attention?
I see it clearly that when we or other whisltleblowers use the "positive" or "negative" terms, please discern & keep them in context. What I mean is that, even the "fallen" Zeta (fallen in quotations because it's context that matters), the ones whose agenda has us being taken into the "death" science... they are those have found themselves trapped, disconnected, having resorted to tampering w/we humans for their very survival, being skilled in ways we are not and we being skilled in ways they are no longer able,... that of the heart.... and steering us, quite scientifically, toward what we would normally deem hellish... howEver, it is their only seeming route Out of the mess they are in.... Now.. Doing your own internal cleansing, do you not find within your own lives (this one, as you more than likely have no recall of any other) plenty of experiences that you would deem as not very savory? Are there not defectors all the time from black-hats ?<< whistleblowers coming "clean" after having lived lives orchestrating their dirty deeds for whatever reasons at 'those' times... not to mention that the "positive" Guardians, who are now being depicted as recognizable w/tools to get on board, have RULES... there are Rules, laws of operation, Universal Codes of Conduct, etc... that prevent their intervention beCAUSE WE, duh, have you figured it out yet?are or have been giving our power away, not only out of ignorance but even willingly, as is the case with some of our own human-being-family...<< ignorance/willfull cooperation/ whatever the reasons.. there are LAWS/CosmicUniversal Treaties of respecting a sovereing being (even if you are not cognizant that you are )... the (what we'd deem) benevolent ones do not directly intervene WITHOUT YOUR EXPRESSED INVITATION....howEVER, we do not have enough information or hearted insight to even know for sure who they are... There IS a way... there is Technology... there Is means to gain or shall I say, RE-GAIN what we've given away... How can your decieved mind guide you towards Knowing? THAT is the question. Ask good questions.... Clean House, I think that Greer states that there ARE NO BAD ETs because he realizes that we are ALL one family.... howEVER some of us are misdirected... are you one of them? Are you sure that you are not? What difference does it make if you make a choice NOW, on you knees uncled to it! I hope I've made some sense.. I wanted to write a paragraph or two from Voyagers I... as she posits this idea much more clearly than I do. You must know who it is you are inviting... as it is the point that you DO the asking, the Invite! But you must know who it is you are dealing with, as there are those that are extremely desparate to survive and will do (with more limitations emotionally than your self but with more technology) whatever they must do to survive. I cannot stress enough that we are ALL in this together, not just earth beings.... what is to come down soon involves much more than just we earthlings. Get OUT of your panic & fear and spend just about a week, geesh, a freaking week reading Ashayana Dean's work... take your time because your fear just restricts yourself... just a dazzling week of time. I'm going ahead and sending this and will probably be a bit sorry for it, however, I just, at this point, don't care how I come off... I CARE about all of you, the good and the bad... such an extraordinary time! HeartFelts to EveryOne |
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i do get the feeling that david wilcock is obsessed by disclosure whatever the 'price' might be. his article is however excellent and he does a good job of peiceing the history together.
i like wilcock and fullford but take what they say with a pinch of salt as with anyone else. we do see evidence to suggest a power structure failure in play though whatever that may encompass. |
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Hopefully this hasn't been asked before, I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks now and haven't seen this yet... but I could have over looked it. If anyone else who happens to read this has an idea, then please feel free to respond. Question: I, and I'm sure many others, would like to know where we might be able to find some of L. Ron Hubbard's original techniques that were used to recover ones soul memories from previous incarnations... as mentioned in the Dane Tops interview transcript. Hypnosis regression was mentioned in the interview to be not the correct way...which disappoints me because I had found someone local and now I am having second thoughts. Thanks Last edited by twelvestrand; 12-29-2009 at 03:29 AM. |
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Moxie, this is my life's work, helping traumatized people and beings (remotely in their case) relieve themselves of what has been called modernly, "The Stockholm Syndrome". Everytime we process an "Evil ET" he comes to his sense and takes early retirement. Anyone who is clearing themselves will eventually reach the point where they can look at another being and clear him too. Everyone goes home with a door prize :-) I hope I contributed to the essence of your post. love, gnosis |
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We work over the phone or SKYPE. If you would like to ask him questions PM me. I get no monetary gain from introducing him and I am not clearing people for monetary gain. I have secured my income from other sources and am quite happy seeking my own immortality with some remote processing to help lift the suppression on the planet. Enuf said, others will have something to say too and I welcome other clearing paths and honor them. Gnosis |
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Apparently Bill is not participating for days now and this thread has turned into a philosophical exchange...
I do receive a daily digest as I have subscribed to this thread... and quite frankly, I'm tired of reading "others' thoughts.... why not (everyone) just back off talking at all here... keep this thread Bill's thread.... he will talk back when he's ready.... 22 pages, much of it 'you know who you are" that can't stop piping in w/your "knowledge"l tyvm |
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I find this thread rather hard to follow and so I missed your post for a while, I apologise for that. The problem is that the ordering in this 'multithread' is not in a time sequence, but in a nesting hierarchy. This nesting hierarchy is very good for a small number of 'subthreads' but becomes confusing if there are many such 'subthreads'. But your comments are aligned with my understanding. I have interspersed here, because you have mentioned 'the giving our power away'. Yes, this is precisely why there cannot be an 'alien physical contact' and 'for all to see disclosure'. The present state of human group-consciousness is 95% aligned with 'normal' 5-sense stimulatory reactivity. And because in the 'cosmic scheme' the major consciousness interaction is from universe to galactic cell to starsystem to planet-moon to regionality to individuated sentience within that regionality; the 'alien' presence must follow the 'natural law' to 'communicate' through this structure of the conduits. Iow, for 'alien physical contact' to occur, and as many already know, the 'mother consciousness' is required to align to the star consciousness and so forth. Then the individual human intelligence is required to act as a data/information collector for the planetary consciousness relying information to the higher systems. This is really omni-science and a physical implementation of the metaphysics but shows that the INABILITY of the human agendas to UNIFY (towards a minimum % of 0.002 or so 1 in 50,000), prevents the 'human groupmind' to act as a COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE. Once there are enough humans, individualised in creativity and being YET UNIFIED in say PHILOSOPHY or (religion or science or some other form of deep inner understanding about themselves, origins, reality etc); THEN this 'STARMIND' will MIRROR in the GAIAN mothermind reflect to the SOLAR Mind reflect back to the galaxy and so on. Most people have it back to front. It is not what the aliens can give us, but what what we can give to them. It is not that we ar3e waiting for them, it is them who are waiting for us. To get the Story about ourselves right - in simplest terms. But I better stop, as this kind of talk seems a little 'off topic'. If you like Moxie, you can start a new thread someplace and we can talk about the details and of course with anyone else who would like to contribute. Abraxasinas |
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