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Old 11-19-2008, 06:08 AM   #1
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Nov. 18, 2008
Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

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Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.


A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen

....shall be eligible to the office of President..."


What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.


Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and cast their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.


The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.


The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.


Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:


· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost an hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


· The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, afte which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, sh forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

DOCKET FOR 08-570

No. 08-570
Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

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~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
Lafayette Hill, PA 09867
Party name: Philip J. Berg
Attorneys for Respondents:
Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.
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Old 11-19-2008, 06:21 AM   #2
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Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
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Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.
Something doesn't look right here Nov 3 2008 - denied by Justice Souter?
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:35 AM   #3
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Come on guys... Can we drop this now? The original has been released in june....
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:29 AM   #4
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First....
Gee... nice cartoon! but meaningless.
To begin with, go down to the bottom of the picture. You will see the following, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS DOCUMENT".

Now, take a look approx. 1 inch above the word "THIS" You will see a small smudgy "something". What that is, is ink bleeding through from the backside of the document. What was stamped there (squint hard, read backwards) was "Nov 6, 2007".

The requirements for getting one of those issued are not the same as what's called a "vault copy" of the document.

To see what an Original Hawaiian Birth Certificate looks like, circa 1963 click here.

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Obama's birthplace is also not the issue.

At issue is the fact his mother married an Indonesian citizen, and she, and her children became citizens of Indonesia. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships at the time. Did not allow them until Nov. of 1996. Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971.

In order for Obama's US citizenship to be re-instated he must have re-affirmed it. Whether he ever did this, or not, becomes unclear if he traveled to Pakistan in 1982 (age 22) under an Indonesian passport.

So far, Obama has not provided one straight answer. In fact, he has done everything he can to keep from having to answer at all.

If you think this is about partisanship, I wrote in Ron Paul's name for President this time, the same as I did in 2004. In my opinion, the bogus choice of whether to vote for Obama or McCain, foisted on the people, was about as relevant, and meaningful as deciding which ear to stick the gun in, when blowing your brains out.
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What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.

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Now, after a few deep breaths....

Supremes to review Barack's citizenship

By Bob Unruh

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.

The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.

The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen." [more...]
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What this may result in, is a Supreme Court ruling handing this case back to the lower courts, and ordering them to hear the evidence, the citizen's lack of standing to bring suit notwithstanding.

Finally, there is a venue where a citizen does have standing to bring such a suit, and that is before State Supreme Courts. Here they can bring suit forcing the State's registrar of voters to withold submitting their electoral votes to the Federal Govt, until a candidate can show proof they are eligible for the office.

Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect. This does not occur until the Electoral College meets, collects and counts all the delegate's votes from the states. This does not occur until Dec. 15th.

Such suits are ongoing in California, Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii.
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Get over it already.

This is all I have to say.
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:06 PM   #8
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I certainly ditto your thought Squeptikal.

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Hillary lost, sweetie. You need to try, try, try to move on with your life!
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Hah? Who's sweetie, the one you suggest move on with (her) life?

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Hah? Who's sweetie, the one you suggest move on with (her) life?

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She knows who she is. She dislikes Obama because of bitterness over Hillary.
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Hillary lost, sweetie. You need to try, try, try to move on with your life!
Hilary didnt loose... we didnt vote... Barak is a fraud...

Why do people keep buying into all this political propaganda?

All these obama supporters are just as bad as all these republicans running around with their fuc*in yellow ribbons!


eXchanger you are doing a great job
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She didn't vote because she's Canadian.
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Old 11-20-2008, 06:01 PM   #14
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She didn't vote because she's Canadian.
That is not what I meant...

we didnt vote... nor did anybody who wrote a name down on a ballot...
the votes are counted electronicly...
the canidates are placed on the table out of the pockets of the elite...

its a sham and the longer people keep investing their attention and emotons into the system the longer it will be able to fu*k us!
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She knows who she is. She dislikes Obama because of bitterness over Hillary.

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Thanks for that. I don't undestand why Pres Elect Obama would consider HC for Sec of State?, as it seems to alienate his base supporters.
Could be one of the reasons why Hillary's possible appointment might have been tossed out into the media first?

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Come on guys... Can we drop this now? The original has been released in june....
You mean this certified FORGERY?

Ask yourself, if this is an authentic BC, why would Obama have not produced a hard copy in defense of all the lawsuits?

It is because he is BUSTED, and knows it.

How can you be so naive?
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You mean this certified FORGERY?

Ask yourself, if this is an authentic BC, why would Obama have not produced a hard copy in defense of all the lawsuits?

It is because he is BUSTED, and knows it.

How can you be so naive?
He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

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He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?
I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!
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I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!
Orion, I know this is how YOU feel, but I'm calling out others on their motivations.
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He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?
Actually, I would have voted for Obama, had he not proven to be a lying FRAUD....he could have saved millions of votes, if he were forthright with liberal voters. Yet, instead chose to hide behind his lawyers, and continue his deceptive practices....so much for his "transparency" Sarah.

Next thing you know, you will be calling us all racists for not believing your garbage. Drink up! I hear the cool aid is really yummy.
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I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!
i see yer point Orion, and agree, as a Norwegian that rely dont care who get in office, because they are all puppets of the same master so...
i have been trough some of the materials in case of Obama..... and if he get a fair trial he will not become the new president of US, but if Puppetmaster is on his side it will be fabricated before the ruling of court, in the nick of time as a drama act...

conclusion: if he win hes a puppet and if he lose he truly is the man for the people but wont be able to show it....so maybe it was all planed as a fail safe....

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thank you eXchanger for keeping us updated with the breaking news. i have not been scrolling around very much lately, and have been out of the loop around here and elsewhere for well over a month.

keep up your beautiful work!
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Actually, I would have voted for Obama, had he not proven to be a lying FRAUD....he could have saved millions of votes, if he were forthright with liberal voters. Yet, instead chose to hide behind his lawyers, and continue his deceptive practices....so much for his "transparency" Sarah.

Next thing you know, you will be calling us all racists for not believing your garbage. Drink up! I hear the cool aid is really yummy.
Ah, Hillary then.
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Ah, Hillary then.
Holy ****... Can you not read... Some people are aware that these politics are all the same... They are just different heads of the same sneak
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Holy ****... Can you not read... Some people are aware that these politics are all the same... They are just different heads of the same sneak
Orion, you are the one not reading between the lines here. These women do not deny being Hillary supporters...nor are they admitting it either, because they lose credibility. They are not saying that all politicians are evil, just Obama. Because they are bitter over Hillary. It helps to understand where the motivation is coming from. They are not on the same page as you.
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