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Old 09-22-2008, 09:44 AM   #76
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if this is terrorism we are worse off than you can imagine. it is ore right to have freedom of speech,and our right to protest if we disagree. just the fact robyn your afraid is a serious problem. morgan is on target. maybe our congress will take care of it and shoot down the one trillion bailout. maybe that's a start. call all your elected officials and tell them if they don't fight to protect this country you will not only vote against them but everyone down the list etc....
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Old 09-22-2008, 10:48 AM   #77
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I respect your post Robyn, and I am in no way promoting terrorism (we got our gov/media for that), I was merely suggesting how symbolism majorly effects us, usually certain groups use this against us, my idea was to use it the other way round.
I'm sorry that you were offended by my post, but a revolution doesn't just happen like that I'm afraid.
Not a saying I live by robyn but ''you wanna make an ommelete you gotta break some eggs'', my voice won't be silenced by you, and I don't fear anybody who reads the posts..... but you can go ahead.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:19 AM   #78
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I don't think it's that essential to organize groups or events. THEY are prepared for that anyway and have means of dealing with it. I focus more on the simple individual things than anyone can do.

So what can you do? You can start by stopping. Stop doing what they want or expect you to do. Stop playing their game. Stop living the life they prepared for you. Live your own, based on your own moral principles and personal responsibility, not on their rules. You don't need groups, groups are predictable and manageable. Become an unknown element in the game, one they can't predict. As more and more people do just this, "groups" will form naturally whenever needed. It's not so much about taking any action, as about simply stopping being ruled by Them.
I concur! Thanks for the though provoking post .

The problem with organizing is that organizations present a target and therefore an entity that can be more easily attacked and subjugated. A simple analogy for the personal responsibility you mentioned is war - if every solider put down their weapons and said "we will not fight!", then of course there would be no wars!

I don't believe that protest and any other conventional means of instigating change is going to work, predominately because the majority required to effect the status quo are 'still plugged into the Matrix' and they do NOT want to take the red pill!

I wonder if the number of people that have realized the reality of mass psychosis might one day reach a point where opposition - benevolently or malevolently - is not required. In other words enough people exist (and can co-operate) to form viable community's that can exist autonomously from the outside world...which is what Project Avalon is about, right?
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:22 AM   #79
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HOLD UP!

It seems that the majority out here believe that there is only a small number of us to balance a huge number of all powerful THEM.

Wow, for you conspiracy buffs out there, this is a nice new chunk to bite off and chew... first, a little background:


Zakat:

I am sure by now that many of you have had Islam shoved down your throats since 9-11. Well, let's scratch our brains to get the neurons working... let's talk about the pillar called Zakat, or charity.

This is not a voluntary charity like we think of in the West; this would be better described as the "poor due"; the responsibility of the rich to the poor. It is mandatory for every Muslim to "pay/donate" two and a half percent of their wealth to the poor. This is kinda like a mandatory yearly re-setting of the economic cycle; wealth actually DOES "trickle down" under this model.

Now, that two and a half percent is payed on REAL WEALTH WITH REAL WEALTH. Fiat currency doesn't count. Every family has to figure out how much gold and silver they have in jewelry, get it appraised, and then donate their fiat currencies for it. They don't have to count what is in the bank, because that is NOT REAL!

So, there are these really rich oilmen with bloated bank accounts... and they don't trickle down the wealth.

The problem if you've noticed, is that monopoly money is being paid to the poor instead of real wealth- gold and silver. It all spends the same to the poor Muslims in socialist welfare states. But to the ultra-orthodox Muslims HATE this system. To them, they are blocked from fulfilling 20% of their religion.

Not only that, but as a matter of principle everyone else in Islamic countries hate the system too, because it deals in usury. Usury is forbidden in Islam; but the way global monetary systems work force the people on the street to use fake fiat usury-obtained paper. Pakistan has tried really hard these past two decades to eliminate as much usury on its currency from world influence as possible, and Saudi Arabia pays lip service.



The Malaysian Currency Crisis:

When the Malaysian currency crisis rocked Asia, more than just a few economists blamed the fiat/usury system and the dollar for its cause. The Malaysian government took action to start paving the way for a purely Islamic monetary system to replace the dollar in Islamic and OPEC countries by embarking on an enormous project to resurrect the Islamic gold dinar from its grave. Economists and Islamic jurists worked together to determine the actual weight, composition and value of the ancient Islamic gold dinar. And they started making it.

With the blessings of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the gulf countries, Malaysia has footed the bill in minting these dinars. Originally the dinars from hundreds of years ago were used on the street by ordinary people. Now, they are minted for central banks, to back paper used on the streets. But they are also available to the public- 100 dinars worth in a bank account can be paid zakat on with two and a half real pieces of gold.



Russia, China, Oil, and OPEC

Originally Malaysia and Saudi Arabia, with the blessings of Pakistan and Russia, were going to artificially collapse the dollar about five years ago by demanding that OPEC sell oil only in exchange for real gold. This would have completely slaughtered the Unites States, because US gold reserves can't even back 10% of its currency! When the Euro came on the scene (backed in part by gold) it became obvious that it would become a stronger currency. Iran was forced to postpone its adoption of dinars via Euros because OPEC countries weren't sure yet their newest buyer- China- was ready to completely replace the demand the US had for oil. OPEC countries didn't want to kill their biggest customer!



The Twin Towers Conspiracy:

Throughout the Islamic world, there ran a rumor that Osama bin Laden was working with the Malaysian government on implementation of the Islamic dinar. For them, when the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed, it symbolized a big middle finger to the globalists financial system, and a thumbs up to the Malaysian minister of finance, Mohammed Mahathir.



Mohammed Mahathir:

Oh, let's not forget.... Malaysia has had an resurgence of Islamic political parties and the country is being pulled into the far-right by the Islamofascists, but not as bad as many other countries. The cultural head of this insurgency is Mohammed Mahathir! And like so many other Islamofascists, there is a burning desire to re-establish the Islamic caliphate and Islamic economic system in order to bring about... their version of the end of days.

C'mon, don't think it is just the Christians who are waiting for Armageddon... all the signs are their in Islamic eschatology, too. Pole shifts will cause the dreaded rising of the sun from the west... But one VERY important fact of Islamic eschatology is that while many of the signs of the day of judgment are based on technology we have now that didn't exist 1400 year ago, Armageddon itself will be fought by hand-to-hand combat with swords. And all throughout the world, in Islamic circles it is rumored that the only way to make that happen is by nuclear weapons.



Iran

Oh, let's not forget that Ahmadinajed believes this too.. and promised the Shias in his country upon election that he would do whatever was in his power to restore Islamic control over the world.




Ok, so let's not get scared... what will happen will happen. But the point I want to make is that 1.5 billion Muslims want the dollar to collapse, and Arab and OPEC countries already have the system in place to take over the failed currencies and systems that will inevitably go down with the dollar. The ex-communist Russians, and the Chinese too, are all for the destruction of the opportunistic dollar and establishment of a fair system. WE in the US may not like Chinese and Arab economic power taking over, but we certainly are not going to drown in economic anarchy either. And the point is... let it happen. We don't need to get "up in arms" like David Icke says, and we certainly are not a measly 2% of people with their eyes open- Asia, Africa and the Middle East are WELL aware of what is going on. I would guess that the ranks of those who know about the BS of the dollar are around 50-60%. And they have been waiting for this DECADES!


Just keep buying gold. And if ounces are too big, you can always hope for a safe place for smaller pieces in Dubai (so long as electronic banking is possible).

www.e-dinar.com

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Old 09-22-2008, 11:51 AM   #80
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So what can you do? You can start by stopping. Stop doing what they want or expect you to do. Stop playing their game. Stop living the life they prepared for you. Live your own, based on your own moral principles and personal responsibility, not on their rules. You don't need groups, groups are predictable and manageable. Become an unknown element in the game, one they can't predict. As more and more people do just this, "groups" will form naturally whenever needed. It's not so much about taking any action, as about simply stopping being ruled by Them.
This seems to be a good one. But I think it needs more clarity. So why can't we do this...

Concept of Decentralized Individual Economies.

1) Work together to get a good and stable free energy system. Once done, we are independent and don't have to pay for energy.
2) With the energy system in hand, the one other thing you need to live on this planet is food. The equstion is simple - trade energy for food.

I hope this will make a good start. Awaiting your thoughts.
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