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Old 12-17-2009, 01:44 PM   #1
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Default Agents...Trolls....and Thieves

It's funny...I just noticed there are so many now...that they are creating topics...taking the counter point...agreeing...then the troll that made the counter point comes around to the way of thinking of the first troll.

So the board that we loved so much has been stolen away and become a virtual fairy tale

NOTICE to AGENTS....TROLLS....and THIEVES

This will end soon

Some things are worth fighting for......
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:48 PM   #2
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I think taking the counter-point is more like disagreeing than trolling.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:55 PM   #3
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I think you are missing my point....It's the whole ideological cycle

Troll1 makes Point
Troll2 Make Counter Point
Troll1 "convinces" Troll2
Troll2 accepts Original Point

which all just part of the the clown cycle.....Welcome to Avalon Circus

Grab some popcorn...this is gonna get FUN!!!
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:57 PM   #4
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I think you are missing my point....It's the whole ideological cycle

Troll1 makes Point
Troll2 Make Counter Point
Troll1 "convinces" Troll2
Troll2 accepts Original Point

which all just part of the the clown cycle.....Welcome to Avalon Circus

Grab some popcorn...this is gonna get FUN!!!
On the surface, using your example, it appears to be effective reasoning among open minds. That being said, I don't know specifically what example you're referring to.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:08 PM   #5
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Thinking about this more, you may have stumbled on a problem with internet forums and people in general.

I think most people enter a debate with a mindset of:

"I am RIGHT and I need to CONVINCE the other person/people to MY way of thinking."

When a more intellectually honest way to approach it would be...

"I THINK I am right, but I would like to FIND OUT whether or not my THINKING is correct"
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:16 PM   #6
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On the surface, using your example, it appears to be effective reasoning among open minds. That being said, I don't know specifically what example you're referring to.
I think Stargazer is saying that a troll needs another troll to exist.

One or more persons to continue the subject going...in hope of dragging as much bystanders as possible with them.

There is a simple solution to this - do not feed the trolls.

Open mind is like a sack of dirty laundry - you never know what dangers are inside but the smell speaks for itself.

have fun
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:24 PM   #7
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Open mind is like a sack of dirty laundry
I vehemently disagree.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:26 PM   #8
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On the surface, using your example, it appears to be effective reasoning among open minds. That being said, I don't know specifically what example you're referring to.
You are an example Stargazer is referring to...
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:27 PM   #9
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You are an example Stargazer is referring to...
Because I disagree with his point of view?
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:35 PM   #10
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It is obvious to me that basic psychology is quite evident here. The tactics used by these very very basic trolls is so easily spotted and Stargazer has found a great way to express it.

i agree , many things are worth fighting for...

This forum is a thorn in some peoples side... and they wish to distrupt its natural flow of love.

Love here...is NOT a dirty word. it is not used lightly eighter. It also has little to do with New Age belief...

it is all about love for humanity..

Our frustration level towards these trolls is only there because of our love for them...if we did not love...we would not care.


To any...agents...trolls and thieves....know that you are loved ...but you might never be forgiven.

Tread carefully with our hearts
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:46 PM   #11
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SELF MODERATION: Quoted a post that no longer exists, creating confusion.
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:55 PM   #12
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Just to clarify, with a little help from wiki..

a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory,
extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community
such as ours, with the primary intent of provoking other
users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting
normal on-topic discussion.

There are numerous examples of this in recent days here.

On a personal note:
I disagree with what's probably a majority of people here on what the future holds and what is real and what's new-age make believe.
I use an old school way of thinking in these cases,
If i have nothing positive to add then I say nothing.
Nothing is gained by shooting down another persons ideas or concepts of reality.

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Old 12-17-2009, 06:42 PM   #13
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paranoia + using the word troll too lightly
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:58 PM   #14
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Ok...perhaps bully is the better term.

bullies infuriate me...all they want is theire perspective to be the focus...

it has no place here and i am gratefully the Mods see it that way.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:02 PM   #15
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paranoia + using the word troll too lightly
so give your definition of a troll. You once were one as you admitted...
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:24 PM   #16
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It seems odd to me that for a member base that seems to be so love-oriented, there seems to be some vitriol (by some) for new or returning remembers who don't toe the majority line in here.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:07 PM   #17
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It seems odd to me that for a member base that seems to be so love-oriented, there seems to be some vitriol (by some) for new or returning remembers who don't toe the majority line in here.
Couldnt agree more,Im new here and Im gobsmacked at the elitist attitude of some long term members.Im not an old member returning, Im just new, and to the person above that said love is here on this forum, and trolls are loved but not forgiven, well do I really need to point out the obvious?

A mind is like a parashute,it has to be open to work.Im not here to ruffle feathers,Im here to learn new things,the label troll is thrown around far to much IMO,not just here but everywhere.Yes they are around but ther just kids most of them with a giddy rush of power that goes to there heads.Love and forgive is the answer.If I dont agree with something then I will offer an oposing idea,thats not trolling.Thats human.Perhaps some new blood is just what this place needs,shake people out of there comfort zone.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:09 PM   #18
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Why is there yet another thread complaining about this problem? Is this really solving anything other than continuing to keep it in peoples minds and further the negative energies of this forum?
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:14 PM   #19
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Why is there yet another thread complaining about this problem? Is this really solving anything other than continuing to keep it in peoples minds and further the negative energies of this forum?
You know Lorien .....you are perfectly RIGHT.....

But there are "attacks" going on everywhere...

Let's just call this one

TROLL BAIT


and ...In my humble opinion....Worked very well

Thanks to all
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:17 PM   #20
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But there are "attacks" going on everywhere..
What "attacks"?

Not counting the two banned members.


Give me an example or two, please?
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:20 PM   #21
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I have to come to accept troll/agents/provocateurs as both highly entertaining and yet terribly sad to watch them in action.

Entertaining......because I get a laugh out of their antics. They put a lot of effort and energy into their work.

Sad because it gives me opportunity to study the obvious neurosis of such a disturbed mind & a tormented soul, coupled with the notion that they can actually break our spirit. This will never happen.....

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Old 12-17-2009, 08:24 PM   #22
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What "attacks"?

Not counting the two banned members.


Give me an example or two, please?
You guys just keep putting a finger in our faces and refuse to move them after being asked politely

And when we finally get tired of your finger in our faces....we lash out because with all our enlightenment and spiritual prowess...WE ARE STILL HUMAN

And we get tired of the hijackings and attempts to get us banned though we were baited to losing our cool.

I'm more patient than that

I can get a rabid wolf out of my house with patience

Just got to use the right bait

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Old 12-17-2009, 08:29 PM   #23
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You guys just keep putting a finger in our faces and refuse to move them after being asked politely

And when we finally get tired of your finger in our faces....we lash out because with all our enlightenment and spiritual prowess...WE ARE STILL HUMAN

And we get tired of the hijackings and attempts to get us banned though we were baited to losing our cool.

I'm more patient than that

I can get a rabid wolf out of my house with patience

Just got to use the right bait

Peace

Wow... I really don't know what you were referring too. I was asking an honest question there. Still am too.

The only member I think I've poked at was New Age Messiah and nothing bad i consider, maybe busting balls little- and to his credit he didn't see to be affected one bit.

I'm not 'baiting' you. I really am just asking you, with the exception of the members who are already banned, could you give me an example or two of these attacks that you say are continuing?

Just trying to determine if maybe what you consider an attack is not what others or myself do, just so we are on the same page. I hope you consider this a reasonable request.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:35 PM   #24
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Wow... I really don't know what you were referring too. I was asking an honest question there. Still am too.

The only member I think I've poked at was New Age Messiah and nothing bad i consider, maybe busting balls little- and to his credit he didn't see to be affected one bit.

I'm not 'baiting' you. I really am just asking you, with the exception of the members who are already banned, could you give me an example or two of these attacks that you say are continuing?

Just trying to determine if maybe what you consider an attack is not what others or myself do, just so we are on the same page. I hope you consider this a reasonable request.
Sorry....it's a little abstract for you

Think on it....maybe it'll come to you
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:41 PM   #25
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Sorry....it's a little abstract for you

Think on it....maybe it'll come to you
Come on, to be frank that is a BS answer.

I am genuinely trying to get to the root of the issue with you, or at least determine what it is. And you are being uncooperative.

If you don't want any solutions or understanding, fine. Then don't complain about it.
Unless that is just what you want to do.

I am trying to work with you, but you are making it difficult.

I don't know how else to ask you.
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