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Old 09-16-2008, 11:38 PM   #26
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Is Ron Paul still in on the running?

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Old 09-16-2008, 11:59 PM   #27
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Wouldn't it be great if only two votes were cast on election day?

instead of voting for one or the other - vote 'no confidence in the system' and stay home.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:11 AM   #28
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Wouldn't it be great if only two votes were cast on election day?

instead of voting for one or the other - vote 'no confidence in the system' and stay home.
Then the Supreme Court would give it to McCain.

Sorry to shoot a hole in your idea.
It was a good one but, the cards are already stacked...
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:31 PM   #29
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I was wondering what people thought would happen with things like the economy and oil if Obama is elected. I realize that it is going to be staged and with electronic voting machines we really have no opinion. However, I do not feel like people are going to put up with gas prices and food prices for much longer. I guess it is not going to matter if their is going to be a financial collapse but some people do not think that is going to happen and if it doesnt what is?
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:36 PM   #30
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Then the Supreme Court would give it to McCain.

Sorry to shoot a hole in your idea.
It was a good one but, the cards are already stacked...
My point was two-fold.

First, the election doesn't matter. The President is pretty low on the totem pole of authority. McCain or Obama - nothing important will change.

Second, wouldn't it be nice if we showed them that we were onto their shenanigans by voting not to vote.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:53 PM   #31
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Andre's reference to Obama's senior advisor Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski is very important when deciding whether to support him or not. Research Brzezinski and reconcile his backing of Obama with Obama's stated goals before making up your mind one way or the other.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:58 PM   #32
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Isn't that weird?
Obama, Cheney, Bush and Kerry are all related cousins!
And what's even more weird, they are all related to Vlad "the impaler" Tepes, aka Dracula!


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Old 09-17-2008, 03:23 PM   #33
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Nice pic, King Lear! Like I said before, they are all related.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:42 PM   #34
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I like for things to add up, and they just don't with Obama.

Some things I know, and some I'm fairly sure of:

It's virtually impossible for a decent, honest person to become president.

Obama was not above using Biden and his connections to try to crush Sinclair.

The "noise" over Obama's questionable citizenship could not have been hushed accidentally.

Obama enjoys the adulations of the masses just a bit too much.

Obama seemed to come out of nowhere and rise like a rocket. (doesn't happen)

Brezinski is trouble with a capitol T.

Obama has a smug confidence which isn't born out by anything obvious, so points to secret deals to me.

Probably more that aren't right at the top of my head right now, but these things just make me scratch me head. Smells wrong to me.

All of which may mean nothing, and Obama could be smart enough to just be playing the players, and trying to beat them at their own game. But that strikes me as such a long shot as to not be worth considering.

The upshot is that I wouldn't expect any help for our cause from the whitehouse, past, present or near future.

Seems like trying to choose the lesser of great evils.

For what opinions on this are worth. (probably not much)
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:48 PM   #35
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it appears he makes hand signals too

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Old 09-17-2008, 10:57 PM   #36
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I think Obama/McCain race is the same as Bush/Kerry.

They all seem to be unremarkable people with large ego's
and a host of murdered aquaintances in their wake.

You don't get near the presidency without a chequered past
as it marks you as ripe for control.

Few things seem to inspire helplessness as an American Presidential election.

What to do?
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Old 09-18-2008, 05:04 PM   #37
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I am voting for Obama.

But...

I think and feel that McCain will win. For two reasons...

1. The election is fixed anyways and even if Obama gets elected... we will have another 'hanging chad' type situation.

2. The majority of Americans are blind to the situations of the economy and world in general. The average American voter will base their vote on 2 key issues. Abortion and gay rights, since most people know where they stand on those two things.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:39 PM   #38
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I am putting out my opinion like most Politicians I think He is just another one trying to get elected. All his voting records tell us more than what we need to know. So basically either way we vote we're getting more of the same more war etc. Not only that but do you think our votes actually count? Look at the 2000 election for proof and the Diebold Voting Machines we use . When it comes to David Willcock I think we need to be more objective and see what his true intentions are.

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Old 09-19-2008, 03:35 AM   #39
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I have had dreams, like David Wilcock, that Barack Obama is well intentioned and will make significant changes for the good...
no offense, but i'd call that nightmare

take a very close look at his record and relationships. Makes no difference who's elected -- you aren't allowed to ascend to that position unless you've catered to certain interests. Question is, did you cater willingly or unwillingly and does it make a difference? In O'Drama's case, he is, without any doubt in my mind, no different than McWar/Hitlery/Robney/etc.. To cling to the hope that he has somehow managed to remain untouched in his core values, i think anyway, is unjustified. What evidence do you have to suggest this? He would've been rooted out some time ago if he resembled anything ethical.

Don't be rocked to sleep by the MSM - you know this. Here, we all know this. Don't be rocked to sleep by a CFR member who's good with [other peoples] words either. "Change", my ass. War is more like it.

I have a great deal of respect for Icke, Wilcock, etc., but when anyone endorses the table scraps that we're left with, red flags start flying. Especially when it came through a dream.

i hope i'm an idiot. I hope i'm wrong. But i have every reason to doubt i am. History says so, not me.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:19 AM   #40
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He may have good intentions but we can't say whether they are in alignment with what we think of as good. I have an inherent distrust of him as I do with McCain. This election is too much like a reality tv show for me to take seriously.

That said, I do recognize that no matter what Obama ultimately does/does not do he IS raising the vibe in our country right now. There's a lot of good, hopeful energy flowing out there right now and that empowers us all. Let's take advantage of that by amplifying it while we can. The future is uncertain but now is right here.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:47 AM   #41
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Since the world does not work in cause and effect the way we were brought up to think it does, but rather we participate in and shape a field, we can shape the field of Obama. We can choose to see in him a nascent desire to be a catalyst for change and we can vote for that. Rather than voting for him to be more of the same we can choose to believe in his possibilities. Since our minds are connected, how we see him affects him. Personally, I would rather not take the safe, doubting road, with arms crossed and nose in the air. I would rather believe in him and empower his ideas with my enthusiasm and let him rise to the occasion.
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