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Old 02-18-2009, 08:54 AM   #1
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Exclamation Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move

All Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009 SEE Page #2, Post #33


POST #23 Anti-Gun Rights Bill Defeated in the House


Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
Full Article Here: http://gunowners.org/a021009.htm

Lost in all the news of the massive bailout bill that just passed the Senate is another enormous bill, one that increases federal control of public and private land.

Of particular concern to gun owners is that the bill, S. 22, will greatly expand the amount of land controlled by the National Park Service. NPS land is currently subject to a gun ban...


Dem’s Use “Stimulus” as Cover for More Gun Control
Full Article Here: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8460

By CCRKBA Friday, February 13, 2009

Dear Concerned Citizen,

The liberals are at it again. In a new bill introduced the first day of the present session of Congress, and with zero coverage from the MSM, H.R. 45 (Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009) targets all gun owners in the U.S.A. While the media the world and everyone else is focused on the “phony plan” to spend tax dollars legislation is sneeking through the House and Senate for more gun control.

This nefarious bill seeks to strip us all of our Constitutional Rights to possess and bear firearms of any distinction. It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered. The bill goes retroactive after two years. Meaning that two years after the passage of the bill, ALL FIREARMS in a citizen’s possession must be registered, not just those purchased after the bill passes, and this apparently applies to antique firearms as well.


CNN-Obama: Gov Can Take Rights and Guns
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PLEASE ALSO SEE THESE POSTS AT AVALON REGARDING GUN CONTROL:

British Gun Ban Backfires http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10204

GUN SALES in US on the Rise http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10481

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Old 02-19-2009, 05:32 AM   #2
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The following if from Mike, AKA FeverIAm on youtube channel, a person who helps people to think through current issues and offers some thoughts of his own.

Don't Panic! New law to restrict US firearms!

VIDEO (3:53): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRaMO...eature=channel

Feb 18, 2009

FIREARM OWNERS ID-INSURANCE:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...76&LegID=41158

Illinois Rules Committee - Members:
http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees...ommitteeID=602

Warning to American Gun Owners:
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:30 AM   #3
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I like how they immediately blame liberals for this. That's the type of response they are conditioned to give whenever they feel threatened.

I'm for responsible gun ownership, not gun bans.
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Old 02-19-2009, 05:14 PM   #4
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this is not new stuff for canada. the federal govt has wasted billions of dollars on the canadian gun registry and, after years, still has only registered a smmall percentage of the guns in canada. mainly police, military and a few law-abiding city folks have registered theirs. there are a lot of old farmers that have never broken a law, that are now criminals due to owning illegal guns.
don't worry though, 'cause anyone with a license can buy your ammo for you.
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Regardless of how I view gun laws, I will always think of guns as negative devices because they kill and maim. They do not accomplish anything positive, except for saving the lives of people, which can be done using methods other than weapons.
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Regardless of how I view gun laws, I will always think of guns as negative devices because they kill and maim. They do not accomplish anything positive, except for saving the lives of people, which can be done using methods other than weapons.

guns also feed and protect. i hunt for food and i had to kill a bear on my front porch this summer. a gun is a valuable tool.
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Illinois Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Buy $1M in Liability Insurance

February 18, 2009

An Illinois state lawmaker is proposing that gun owners be required to carry personal liability insurance of at least $1 million.

Rep. Kenneth Dunkin's bill seeks to amend the state's Firearm Owners Identification Card Act to provides that any person who owns a firearm in the state maintain a $1 million or higher policy of liability insurance "specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person."

A gun owner would be responsible after a firearm is lost or stolen until the loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides.

Police would be empowered to pull the gun license of anyone who does not submit evidence of having the required insurance.

The measure is now in the House Rules Committee.

Source: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...2/18/97987.htm
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guns also feed and protect. i hunt for food and i had to kill a bear on my front porch this summer. a gun is a valuable tool.
They are still negative devices to me.

There are other ways to hunt and protect that don't involve using such a device.

But, if you want to own and use a gun, be my guest. I will just respectfully disagree.
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Illinois Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Buy $1M in Liability Insurance

February 18, 2009

An Illinois state lawmaker is proposing that gun owners be required to carry personal liability insurance of at least $1 million.

Rep. Kenneth Dunkin's bill seeks to amend the state's Firearm Owners Identification Card Act to provides that any person who owns a firearm in the state maintain a $1 million or higher policy of liability insurance "specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person."

A gun owner would be responsible after a firearm is lost or stolen until the loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides.

Police would be empowered to pull the gun license of anyone who does not submit evidence of having the required insurance.

The measure is now in the House Rules Committee.

Source: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...2/18/97987.htm
This is more proof that the Constitution is nil. If it were still relevant, you would not see such bills/laws on the brink of passage.
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They are still negative devices to me.
There are other ways to hunt and protect that don't involve using such a device.
But, if you want to own and use a gun, be my guest. I will just respectfully disagree.
how would you suggest that i had stopped the bear that was coming into my house last september?
i had tried to scare him away for a couple of days, but he kept coming back.
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CNN- Obama To BAN Guns

January 28, 2009

Video (8:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vKfL...w.gcnlive.com/

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$1 Million Insurance Policy to Own a GUN? - Glenn Beck Comrade Update!

February 20, 2009
Required to Have a $1 Million Insurance Policy to Own a GUN? - Comrade Update! Interview with Stephen Halbrook.

Glenn Beck Founding Fathers Constitution Totalitarianism NWO George Washington Federal Reserve Depression American America Revolution Ron Paul

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Suit against Chicago Gun Ban
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/lawsu...go_gun_ban.pdf

An Interview With Stephen P. Halbrook
by Carlo Stagnaro

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution declares: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN THE SUPREME COURT
WHERE IT’S BEEN AND WHERE IT’S GOING

Stephen P. Halbrook Constitutional Law
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Right to Bear Arms
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/right-to-bear-arms.html

Lawsuit against New Orleans gun confiscations from Hurricane Katrina Victims

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com


The Independent Institute
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Dr. Stephen P. Halbrook has taught legal and political philosophy at George Mason University, Howard University, and Tuskegee Institute. He received his J.D. from the Georgetown University Law Center and Ph.D. in social philosophy from Florida State University.
The winner of three cases before the U.S. Supreme Court (Printz v. United States, United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Company, and Castillo v. United States), he has testified before the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, Subcommittee on Crime of the House Judiciary Committee, Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, and House Committee on the District of Columbia.

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What the 2nd Amendment is for

Listen to this young woman tell legislators that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to protect the right to hunt ducks. It's about protecting all of us from you guys!!!

Armed citizens

Gandhi and Jefferson liked the idea
Hitler and Stalin hated it.
You don't have to like guns to understand what the 2nd Amendment is for.


Video (5:24): http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/564.html

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House shoots down federal gun controls

Posted on Feb. 14
By KAHRIN DEINES of the Associated Press

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HELENA (AP) - Montana lawmakers fired another shot in battles for states’ rights as they supported letting some Montana gun owners and dealers skip reporting their transactions to the federal government.

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The bill potentially could release Montanans from both federal gun registration requirements and dealership licensing rules.

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Gun Store Owner Talks About BOOMING Gun Sales on Glenn Beck

Recent spike in gun sales may be due to economic worries.

Posted on youtube February 26, 2009.

Video (5:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEQC7...eature=related

Previous vid does not appear to be playing straight through on my slow-as-it-goes DSL.

Alternate Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_90a4Jb6bI

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Ha this reminds me, I need to get some 9mm,.38,.22, 410 and 12 gauge shells, LOL!
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Default Judge Napolitano's "Freedom Watch" 3/4/09 GUN CONTROL

Fox News Strategy Room "FREEDOM WATCH" w/ Judge Napolitano, Lew Rockwell, Larry Pratt, John Lott 03/4/2009

Part 3 GUN CONTROL STARTS AT 6:35 (10:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iudiA...eature=channel

Part 4 GUN CONTROL (10:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp9x_...eature=channel

Part 5 GUN CONTROL ENDS AT 1:11 (10:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzMX2...eature=channel
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New Calls for Assault-Gun Ban

MARCH 13, 2009

By ALEX ROTH, PAULO PRADA and COREY DADE

Gun-control activists have renewed calls for the federal government to reinstate a ban on so-called assault weapons in the wake of Tuesday's deadly shooting rampage in Alabama.

Stricter national gun-control laws face dim prospects in Washington, however, despite Democratic control of Congress and the White House.

Gun sales have soared in the months since the presidential election, due in part to fears among gun owners that President Barack Obama intends to ban assault weapons, or guns that can fire rounds more quickly than standard weapons.

In November, a record 1,529,635 background checks were performed on firearms sales, up 42% from the same period a year earlier, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. A 24% year-over-year increase followed in December, with similar increases so far this year.

Background checks are considered a measure of sales because they are required during any sale of a new weapon from a federally licensed retailer, or if a weapon is sold or reclaimed from a pawn shop.

While Mr. Obama supports reinstating the assault-weapons ban, he also is confronting numerous other matters, such as the economy and health care.

He also would face stiff opposition in Congress from his own party. In recent weeks, powerful Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), have expressed opposition to renewing the federal assault-weapons ban, which was enacted in 1994 under President Bill Clinton. The ban bars the sale of certain semiautomatic weapons. The law expired in 2004.

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OBAMA LIED TO GUN OWNERS, SAYS CCRKBA; ATTACK PLAN REVEALED BY HOLDER

For Immediate Release: February 26, 2009

Source: http://www.ccrkba.org/pub/rkba/press....gunowners.htm
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BELLEVUE, WA – As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama deliberately and repeatedly lied to America’s 90 million gun owners across the country when he insisted that he would not try to take away anyone’s firearms, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, reacting to yesterday’s remarks by Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder that the president will seek to reinstate the ban on semi-automatic firearms, said Obama “knew he was lying to the nation because his own website touted his plan to revive the gun ban and make it permanent.”

“We warned America that Obama’s ‘support’ for the Second Amendment was empty rhetoric,” he stated, “and now Holder’s disclosure has confirmed it. Obama was lying, and now gun rights may be dying.”

Several times on the campaign trail, Obama told voters “I’m not going to take your guns away.” He said it at rallies in Duryea, Pennsylvania and in Boise, Idaho. He also told a news conference that “Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear…I think people can take me at my word.”

“Right now,” said Gottlieb, “I wouldn’t take Obama’s word if he said it rains a lot in Seattle. Apparently, law-abiding gun owners have nothing to fear unless they own sport-utility rifles, semiautomatic shotguns, handguns and any other firearm that Obama and his anti-gun attorney general don’t like.

“Thanks to Eric Holder, who has been far more honest than his boss about his anti-gun philosophy, it is now clear that the new president doesn’t support the Second Amendment at all,” he observed. “American gun owners should remind Democrats in Congress that the Second Amendment means what it says, especially when the president doesn’t.”

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation’s premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States. The Citizens Committee can be reached by phone at (425) 454-4911, on the Internet at www.ccrkba.org or by email to InformationRequest@ccrkba.org.
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Gun Makers and Retailers Post Strong Sales Increases

By Natalie Zmuda
Published: March 09, 2009

Sour Economy, Potential for Tightened Regulations Drive Buyers to Firearms

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On the manufacturing side, publicly traded firearm manufacturers, such as Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Co. are enjoying strong sales and relatively steadier stock prices. Smith & Wesson said aside from the 40% growth in pistol sales in its most recent quarter, tactical rifle sales soared 308%. Sturm, Ruger & Co. reported an 81% increase in firearms revenue. In a message on its website, Rock River Arms, which specializes in custom rifles and pistols, cites an "overwhelming increase in orders" in explaining why it can no longer provide estimated delivery dates, and notes that it is increasing production.

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That's a heck of an increase in sales! wow, I wonder if they're hiring? I'll check into it!

Smith and Wesson- only two openings
Ruger- only two openings
Colt- no openings

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I bet people wish they had voted for the other bloke now
Obama has proved himself to be full of 5hit
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Anti-Gun Rights Bill Defeated in the House

Thanks to Gun Owners of America for the following information:

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Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Thanks to you, a bill expanding gun control on federal land was narrowly defeated Wednesday morning, March 11.

The Omnibus Public Lands Act of 2009, S. 22, would have drastically increased the amount of land controlled by the National Park Service, thus subjecting such land to the anti-gun regulations of the agency.

The bill was brought to the floor of the U.S. House on what is known as the "suspension calendar." This calendar is normally reserved for non-controversial bills. As such, any bill being passed under the suspension calendar requires a two-thirds majority of those voting.

In this case, the pro-gun position prevailed by a mere two votes -- meaning S. 22 is far from being non-controversial.

Although suspension bills are not normally amended, one change was allowed in a secret backroom deal between a few members.

The amendment, offered by Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA), was intended to alleviate the concerns of gun owners.

The Altmire amendment sought to protect hunting and recreational shooting on federal land, but those steps are completely inadequate to address the concerns of millions of gun owners.

The Second Amendment protects, as the Supreme Court affirmed in D.C. v. Heller, an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right was never intended to protect only the shooting sports.

Under current regulations, firearms possessed for the sole purpose of self-defense on land controlled by the National Park Service is prohibited unless the person holds a concealed carry permit.

While millions of law-biding Americans hold CCW permits, many more do not. It is these citizens' rights that are going unprotected.

NPS land covers the gamut from busy thoroughfares to remote wilderness areas. These gun free zones are dangerous, in addition to creating a patchwork of inconsistent regulations between federal and state land.

Although we won today, unfortunately the battle is not over....
Read the rest. http://gunowners.org/a031109htm.htm

Source: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...cpg=1#comments

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http://www.georgia-arms.com/

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Due to new government regulations concerning the purchasing of surplus brass, we are removing sales of all 223 and all 308 until further notice. Below is a copy of the email we received from Government Liquidations.



"Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government. "



This is a huge waste of taxpayer's money. The value of these products is reduced by 80% by going from a recycled product to a scrap product.

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!!!!!!!!

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Default Legislation to end access to handgun permits advances in House and Senate

Legislation to end access to handgun permits advances in House and Senate

By Richard Locker, Memphis Commercial Appeal
Wednesday, March 18, 2009

NASHVILLE -- Bills to close public records on Tennessee handgun-carry permits inched closer to approval Wednesday after the bills' supporters tried but failed to close statistical data on the permits, too.

Rep. Eddie Bass, D-Pulaski, House sponsor of the confidentiality bill, said he saw no benefit to the public release of statistical reports because it "could be used against" the permit program.

An annual report by the state Department of Safety to the state legislature shows 624 permits were revoked or suspended in 2007 due to felony convictions, arrests and court orders of protection (usually sought by victims of domestic abuse). The report also shows that 605 permit applications were denied in 2007, while 48,991 were issued, pushing the total of carry permits to about 220,000 statewide.

The bill that would close all public access to information identifying gun-carry licensees, including those charged with or convicted of gun crimes, advanced in House and Senate committees Wednesday, but with differences that must be resolved before it can become law.

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A message to citizens of the US, heed the warning from Australia and the UK:
Do not under any circumstances give up your guns.


Blog at: http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/2231

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“Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens”, which is exactly what Obama’s proposed gun ban will do. Gun bans will impact your “freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment.” The current proposed gun-ban-list includes but is not limited to:

Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite 15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has: (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

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Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
The Washington Times | March 17 2009

After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.

Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

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After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.
Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

This looks like completely unnecessary harassment of the pilots. The 12,000 Federal Flight Deck Officers, the pilots who have been approved to carry guns, are reported to have the best behavior of any federal law enforcement agency. There are no cases where any of them has improperly brandished or used a gun. There are just a few cases where officers have improperly used their IDs.

Fewer than one percent of the officers have any administrative actions brought against them and, we are told, virtually all of those cases “are trumped up.”...

Since Mr. Obama's election, pilots have told us that the approval process for letting pilots carry guns on planes slowed significantly. Last week the problem went from bad to worse. Federal Flight Deck Officers - the pilots who have been approved to carry guns - indicate that the approval process has stalled out.

Pilots cannot openly speak about the changing policies for fear of retaliation from the Transportation Security Administration. Pilots who act in any way that causes a “loss of confidence” in the armed pilot program risk criminal prosecution as well as their removal from the program. Despite these threats, pilots in the Federal Flight Deck Officers program have raised real concerns in multiple interviews.

Arming pilots after Sept. 11 was nothing new. Until the early 1960s, American commercial passenger pilots on any flight carrying U.S. mail were required to carry handguns. Indeed, U.S. pilots were still allowed to carry guns until as recently as 1987. There are no records that any of these pilots (either military or commercial) ever causing any significant problems.

Screening of airplane passengers is hardly perfect. While armed marshals are helpful, the program covers less than 3 percent of the flights out of Washington D.C.'s three airports and even fewer across the country. Sky marshals are costly and quit more often than other law-enforcement officers.

Armed pilots are a cost-effective backup layer of security. Terrorists can only enter the cockpit through one narrow entrance, and armed pilots have some time to prepare themselves as hijackers penetrate the strengthened cockpit doors. With pilots, we have people who are willing to take on the burden of protecting the planes for free. About 70 percent of the pilots at major American carriers have military backgrounds.

Frankly, as a matter of pure politics, we cannot understand what the administration is thinking. Nearly 40 House Democrats are in districts were the NRA is more popular than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. We can't find any independent poll in which the public is demanding that pilots disarm. Why does this move make sense?

Only anti-gun extremists and terrorist recruits are worried about armed pilots. So why is the Obama administration catering to this tiny lobby at the expense of public safety?

Good question!

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