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Old 03-04-2010, 07:41 PM   #1
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Sharia law will be next...

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Turkey is moving into uncharted territory, causing deep anxiety among millions of secular Turks who fear prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan – a former Islamist who won 47 per cent of the vote in the last election – will trample on their rights.

That worry deepened this week, when Turkish authorities made two more controversial arrests – of an active duty general and a state prosecutor who had investigated Islamic networks.

How Turkey resolves this identity crisis will reverberate beyond its borders. It has the second-largest army in Nato after America. It is strategically placed, with Russia to the north and the Middle East to the south. It is a candidate for membership in the European Union. Decades of growth have made it the seventh-largest economy in Europe.

Last week's detentions and arrests capped a month of high political drama that began on 22 January, when a small liberal newspaper, Taraf, published what it said were military documents from a 2003 meeting describing preparations for a coup. The documents, said the paper, were in a suitcase and included diagrams of two Istanbul mosques that were to have small bombs go off in their courtyards, creating an emergency that would justify a military takeover. The military acknowledged a meeting took place, but denied plans for bombings or a coup. Even so, on Monday of last week, Turkish authorities began detaining officers and by the end of the week had more than 60 in custody, including two retired generals. "Now the army is pacified, eliminated as a power from the political scene," said Haldun Solmazturk, also a retired general. "Now the military is touchable."

That is a profound change. Modern Turkey was founded in 1923 by General Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who imposed radical change in language and custom on a largely illiterate, agrarian society. The military, together with the judiciary and state bureaucracy, wielded immense power, protecting Turkish democracy "as if the country was a perpetually immature child," said Halil Berktay, history professor at Sabanci University.

"The military came to acquire a sense of, 'this is our land, this is our Republic," he said. It deposed elected governments four times, most recently in 1997.

That role began to change with the rise of Erdogan, a tough-talking mayor who represented a rising underclass of religious Turks. He was a confounding mix, from a background of political Islam, but with an agenda of bringing Turkey into the European Union, where his supporters do business.

Although he was despised by the secular establishment, his party, Justice and Development, won election victory in 2007.

The fact that the military has not responded to the arrests also reflects a leadership opposed to intervention. Army chief General Ilker Basbug has spoken out against military meddling and is believed to have had good relations with Erdogan.

But to Erdogan's critics, the arrests look suspiciously like raw efforts to silence the opposition. And now that he has control over most of the levers of power – the presidency, the government bureaucracy and parliament – they worry that his impulses will be unchecked.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:55 PM   #2
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It isn't just Turkey...

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Former Iraqi intelligence chief: Iranian regime Qods Force involved in bloody Baghdad blasts PDF Print E-mail
Thursday, 04 March 2010

NCRI - In an interview with Al Sharqiya TV, Mohammed al-Shahwani, the former head of Iraqi Intelligence Service stated that some Iraqis in complicity with Iranian regime's Qods Force committed the bloody Baghdad explosions which killed 400 Iraqis.

Shahwani, who resigned from Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s government following a series of bloody explosions in Baghdad, said that prior to the blasts we handed the intelligence about the planned explosions to the government, but they did not do anything and the bloody blasts took place.

Below is the translation of excepts from the text of interview:

Host: You presented the intelligence to the [Iraqi] government and told them the explosions will happen in those particular areas?

Al-Shahwani: Yes, we presented the intelligence along with a comprehensive analysis; that is to say, the data along with an analytical report on the intelligence.

Host: Are you saying you had accurate information and the government did nothing all those 5 days? No warnings whatsoever?

Al-Shahwani: the intelligence was accurate and the government did not do a thing and did not give warnings.

Host: General, just to make sure I did not misunderstand you, is this an oversight or is it a conspiracy? Do you mean you are pointing your finger to the Prime Minister, Al-Maliki, himself or the entirety of his government? Because what you’re saying is significantly important.

Al-Shahwani: In fact, all the information was sent to the headquarters of Baghdad forces which function under the full commandership of Nouri Al-Maliki, the Prime Minister….

Host: Those who blew the explosives have obviously murdered thousands of Iraqis. Who are these criminals?

Al-Shahsawani: According to our intelligence, these are Iraqis in connection with the Iranian Qods Force. There are many Iranian mercenaries scattered all over Iraq. They are present in the parliament, in government, in security forces, everywhere. Iranian agents are on the streets, in religious venues. They are present everywhere.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:05 PM   #3
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and for those of you wondering why I am watching events over there so closely, Kurdistan was divided up into 4 parts.

Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria

Syria has been under Iran's Thumb for decades...
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Old 03-05-2010, 03:34 AM   #4
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we have seen the Greek tragity that is pklaying out in greece right now but also with in it several other nations in the EU are staring to get sucked in Italy Spain Portugal and Ierland are dangerously close to monetary failure the doom of the Euro could beat hand here in Canada we watch as our dollar edges higher 0ver 2 cents against the US in the last couple of days
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Old 03-05-2010, 03:55 AM   #5
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Turkey also recalled its US ambassador from DC today because the House of Representatives passed a resolution deploring Turkey's treatment of Armenians. The House resolution called Turkey's actions during and after WWI a "genocide."

Info on the Great Calamity here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:49 PM   #6
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Turkey doesn't consider themselves the Ottoman empire.

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The Ottoman Empire or Ottoman State (Ottoman Turkish: دولتْ علیّه عثمانیّه Devlet-i Âliye-yi Osmâniyye,[4] Modern Turkish: Osmanlı İmparatorluğu, Osmanlı Devleti or Türkiye), also known by its contemporaries as the Turkish Empire or Turkey (see the other names of the Ottoman State), was an Islamic empire that lasted from 1299 to November 1, 1922[5] (as an imperial monarchy) or July 24, 1923[6] (de jure, as a state). It was succeeded by the Republic of Turkey,[7] which was officially proclaimed on October 29, 1923.

At the height of its power (16th–17th centuries), the empire spanned three continents, controlling much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia and North Africa.[8] The Ottoman Empire contained 29 provinces and numerous vassal states, some of which were later absorbed into the empire, while others gained various types of autonomy during the course of centuries. The empire also temporarily gained authority over distant overseas lands through declarations of allegiance to the Ottoman Sultan and Caliph, such as the declaration by the Sultan of Aceh in 1565; or through the temporary acquisitions of islands in the Atlantic Ocean, such as Lanzarote (1585).[9]

The empire was at the centre of interactions between the Eastern and Western worlds for six centuries. With Constantinople as its capital city,[10][11] and control of extensive lands around the eastern Mediterranean during the reign of Suleyman the Magnificent (ruled 1520 to 1566), the Ottoman Empire was, in many respects, an Islamic successor to the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.[12]

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The sad part is what they were proud of leaving behind is now becoming part of an Islamic Empire led by Iran, and what the US congress just did was give them exactly what was needed to make it happen...

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Old 03-05-2010, 08:11 PM   #7
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I just clicked on a link to Turkish weekly and it is being blocked...

http://www.turkishweekly.net

looks like they are taking control of the media now too...
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:37 AM   #8
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On October 29, 1923, Mustafa Kemal Pasha, the liberator of his country, proclaimed the Republic of Turkey. The new homogeneous nation-state he created arose out of the ashes of the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire. The new Republic and the old Sultanate were in sharp contrast to each other. As the theocratic Ottoman Empire, which survived over six centuries with its Sultanate and Caliphate came to and end, a new country called Turkey was born. The nation bestowed on him the name Atatürk, which means "Father of the Turks"...

He also believed in women's equality with men. The quotation below summarizes some his ideology.

"The humankind is consisted of two sexes, woman and man. Is it possible that a mass is improved by the improvement of only one part and ignore other? Is it possible that if half of a mass is tied to earth with chains and the other half can soar into skies?"

"Everything we see in the world is the creative work of women."

"Peace at Home, Peace in the World." ~M.K. Atatürk~

Atatürk was against mixing religion with government as well as for respecting every individual's personal belief.

"Sovereignty belongs unconditionally to the people."

"Religion is an issue of conscience. Everyone is free to conform to the commands of their conscience. We show respect for religion. We are not against a way of thinking or thoughts. We are only trying not to mix religious affairs with the affairs of the nation and the state." ~M.K. Atatürk~...

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Earthquake shakes eastern Turkey; 11 dead
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:20 AM   #9
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Interesting story..... on a side note, since the story broke...like 3 days later and an earthquake hits.....hmmm what a coincidence. Now earthquakes are like the hitman these days! lol

ex. If u don't do as i say.. imo hit you with an earthquake!!!
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:39 AM   #10
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I just clicked on a link to Turkish weekly and it is being blocked...

http://www.turkishweekly.net

looks like they are taking control of the media now too...
I can see it
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:04 PM   #11
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we can't...

Server not found

Firefox can't find the server at www.turkishweekly.net.
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Interesting story..... on a side note, since the story broke...like 3 days later and an earthquake hits.....hmmm what a coincidence. Now earthquakes are like the hitman these days! lol

ex. If u don't do as i say.. imo hit you with an earthquake!!!
read the 3rd post on Turkey...

simple words don't get the point across, but then again it depends who crosses your t's and dots your eyes...
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:37 PM   #13
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crossing the t's means it is a confirmation to Jews, Christians and Muslims, who understand the meaning of the cross.

Dotting the eyes is a confirmation for the Hindu, Buddhist and other faiths that put a dot on their 3rd eye...

For the non believers, fasten your seat belt you're along for the ride...
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:21 PM   #14
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we can't...

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Firefox can't find the server at www.turkishweekly.net.

That's because your government loves you and wants to keep you safe from nasty things
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:34 PM   #15
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That's because your government loves you and wants to keep you safe from nasty things
looking at the site does it seem like it is slanted pro or con America?

[QUOTE]Domain Name: TURKISHWEEKLY.NET
Registrar: PSI-USA, INC. DBA DOMAIN ROBOT
Whois Server: whois.psi-usa.info
Referral URL: http://www.psi-usa.info
Name Server: NS1.RSSMAXI.COM
Name Server: NS2.RSSMAXI.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 21-sep-2009
Creation Date: 20-sep-2004
Expiration Date: 20-sep-2010

looks like a USA website, seems strange it would be blocked to us.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:53 PM   #16
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One thing to think about and while its not much - It is something...

With Greece, Spain, Portugal, Turkey and a long list of other Countries not doing too well after the "Crash" having the Issues They are - It makes it very hard to have the NWO They seem to be trying to create.

Simply Awesome - The more Their plans go Belly-up - The better and better it is for Mankind.

Tick - Tock - Tick - Tock. They have a timetable that They were supposed to be ready for and with that said - All of these Disagreements and Issues are causing Them to Screw the Pooch Royaly on that timetable. That said and as You can Imagine - Their Taskmasters are not pleased...

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Old 03-08-2010, 10:13 PM   #17
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Your link: Turkish weekly is not blocked here in Quebec. I got on twice instantly. I guess we are not too important
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Old 03-08-2010, 10:22 PM   #18
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Hi Rocky, since Firefox works for me here is the latest news in the Turkish Weekly. Nothing I can see here that matches what you read in the New Scotsman. I wonder what that means.

Last 50 News
Turkish Tourism Minister Leaves For Germany / 8 March 2010 18:32:21
Turkish Ministers Receives American-Turkish Council President / 8 March 2010 18:30:22
Iran to Build Power Plants in Ecuador / 8 March 2010 18:27:00
Nuclear Technology is Not a Threat: Danish Scholar / 8 March 2010 18:25:41
Israel to Build 112 New Homes in Occupied West Bank / 8 March 2010 18:23:47
French Protest Import of Israeli Settlement Goods / 8 March 2010 18:21:59
Jericho: Israel Forces Distribute Demolition Orders / 8 March 2010 18:18:30
Sha'ath Hosts Italian Delegation / 8 March 2010 18:16:28
Barroso: ‘The Morocco-EU Summit Is an Unprecedented Event’ / 8 March 2010 17:32:34
The US Does Not Act Rationally in the Caucasus / 8 March 2010 16:10:23
Fayyad: Peace Process Only Credible If Israel Ends Violations / 8 March 2010 15:59:45
Turkish Minister Says Exports And Industrial Production Increase / 8 March 2010 15:56:12
Emaar To Launch $1.5 Bln Real Estate Project In Turkey / 8 March 2010 15:54:22
Turkish Premier Meets With Pakistani Parliament Speaker / 8 March 2010 15:52:34
Erdogan Meets Albanian Parliament Speaker / 8 March 2010 15:49:29
Turkish Industry Minister Says Economy In Moderate Recovery / 8 March 2010 15:47:32
Antalya Draws Increasing Number Of Tourists / 8 March 2010 15:44:02
Turkish Prime Minister Attends International Summit On Women Rights / 8 March 2010 14:10:17
Turkish Businessmen's Association To Host Turkish-Korean Forum / 8 March 2010 14:07:32
Foreign Statesmen Offer Their Condolonces For Victims Of Quake In Eastern Turkey / 8 March 2010 14:04:22
Kathryn Bigelow's 'The Hurt Locker' Sweeps Oscars / 8 March 2010 14:02:37
Turkish Minister Announces Quake Death Toll As 57 / 8 March 2010 14:01:51
Suicide Attack on Pakistan Anti-Terror Office Kills Many / 8 March 2010 14:01:25
Turkish Treasury Sells 182-Day Reference Bills / 8 March 2010 13:58:28
EC Considers EU-Wide Minimum Carbon Tax / 8 March 2010 13:58:15
6-Magnitude Earthquake Kills 57 in Turkey / 8 March 2010 13:56:43
Turk Telekom Borrows 222 Mln Euro From Halkbank / 8 March 2010 13:56:05
UN Special Adviser On Cyprus In Turkey For Talks / 8 March 2010 13:52:57
NATO-Georgia Commission to Hold Session on 12 March / 8 March 2010 13:51:48
Turkish Shares Up In First Session / 8 March 2010 13:50:19
Nigeria Religious Clashes 'Kill 500' Near Jos / 8 March 2010 13:49:40
UN Says 42 P.C. Of Women In Turkey Face Domestic Violence / 8 March 2010 13:47:32
Turkish Prime Minister On Quake In Eastern Turkey / 8 March 2010 13:43:29
Turkey's Industrial Production Up 12.1 P.C. In January / 8 March 2010 12:36:44
The deputy governor of the eastern province of Elazig raised on Monday the quake death toll to 51. / 8 March 2010 12:33:54
Trlibor Rates / 8 March 2010 12:03:36
Turkish Airline Company Expands Its Fleet To 21 Planes / 8 March 2010 11:33:21
Turkey Exports 1.1 Bln USD Gold Jewelry In 2009 / 8 March 2010 11:31:48
Money In Circulation Up To 39.1 Bln TL / 8 March 2010 11:30:01
Minibus Drivers Protest Reduction In Transportation Fees In Ankara / 8 March 2010 11:28:16
Turkish-American Association Reacts To U.S. Tv's Broadcast On 1915 Incidents / 8 March 2010 11:25:45
Turkish Airlines To Buy 20 Boeing 737 Aircraft / 8 March 2010 11:23:37
Share Of Foreigners In Istanbul Stock Exchange Down To 66 P.C. / 8 March 2010 11:21:27
Death Toll In Mine Explosion Rises To 15 / 8 March 2010 11:17:49
Turkish Stock Market Up At Opening / 8 March 2010 11:15:58
Foreign Exchange Rates / 8 March 2010 11:13:56
Turkey Becomes Most Visited Country At Hungarian Tourism Fair / 8 March 2010 11:12:19
UN Head's Cyprus Advisor To Visit Turkish Capital / 8 March 2010 11:08:55
Turkish Backing for Cyprus' Talat / 8 March 2010 10:49:55
Quake Kills 41, Wounds More Than 50 in Eastern Turkey / 8 March 2010 09:37:54
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read the 3rd post on Turkey...

simple words don't get the point across, but then again it depends who crosses your t's and dots your eyes...

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