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Old 11-19-2008, 07:42 PM   #101
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I was here from the beginning and i opt to stay. Most of you who opted to leave do so out of principle, but none of you can know for certain what this forum will become after you have left. You may well regret leaving.

You are actually demonstrating that you prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, you want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change. This yearly subscription is in truth very low, and the vast majority would well be able to afford it.

At this stage in the game i do not see the sense in leaving, because by doing so you will deliberately withold your knowledge and your support to the rest of us who would value your input.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:46 PM   #102
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Sounds quite reasonable - read for free, pay to contribute....
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:47 PM   #103
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I'd have hoped that Bill and Kerry would have planned this a little better from the outset and mentioned it at the very start (as i can't remember if they did?)
We did!

It was just about the first thing we posted, as we knew it was important not to ambush people with this.

We actually said (in early September) we'd implement the subscription at the start of October. But there were so many new posts and threads right at the beginning that we do understand that you might well have missed it.

Very best wishes, Bill
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:50 PM   #104
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law of attraction people...get out of it! AIM HIGH!

PA powered by U2? a merger? with their site?
But don't ask the U2 guys to invest in Ireland, their own country of origin,

Taxes are too high !...


salute.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:51 PM   #105
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It would be the first forum that I would have to pay to be a part of...


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Old 11-19-2008, 07:53 PM   #106
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brightest blessings to all

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Old 11-19-2008, 08:02 PM   #107
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what I don't understand is, with all the whistleblowers that are so connected here why don't they spend a bit themselves. They seem to be from very high paid work and they want us to listen so we can understand. Why are people now being charged? Its not like we are being chrged enough in life.
Someting just smells funny....I know of hundreds of sites that run larger forums than this and they are very poor people.

Iff I had the spare money I'd be chucking a bit of cash about just to stop this stupidity.

I smell a rat
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:03 PM   #108
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Adios.

A sido genial el tiempo compartido.
los veo aca: http://www.astrovera.com/forum/index.php

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Old 11-19-2008, 08:08 PM   #109
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A goodbye thread... how appropriate...

.... (though 60.00 a years IS outrageous)
$12.00 a year minimum.

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How can you purport to be a whistle blower on government and PTB wrong doing and greed, then say you will charge for it?
Whistleblowers contact us for free by post, telephone, e-mail or Skype. We had one such conversation tonight, that lasted for 90 minutes.

After due diligence, we publish their testimony free of charge on the net, and sometimes pay thousands of dollars to travel to interview them on camera.

Viewers, listeners or readers pay precisely $0.00.

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Now then, lets look at the numbers for a minute and put this in perspective...

Fee... 60.00 a year...

Current members as of today...

5,342 times 60 equals $320,520.00

Active Members as of today... about 50%

2,651 times 60 equals $159,060.00

If only half of the ACTIVE members pony up the loot (25% of total members)... that still leaves $79,530.00 a year income. Not to shabby where I come from.
Bogus math. Not very scientific

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So the book is already at 1500 pages in draft form. Seems to me this was planned all along.
We started thinking about the book in January.

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Congratulations for joining the ranks of "Truth for Megabucks" whistle blowers. May you live well in your posh resort in Australia while the ground crews scramble for cover in the dirt when the SHTF, as it so obviously will according to all the 'info' spread here.
Shame on you, Ron. F*** your sarcasm. If you'd met us in Vegas when we offered to buy you dinner - and you never returned any of our phone calls - you would have learned at first hand about us, our principles and values.

You've never once met us, but you prefer internet rumor, and (as usual) figure that you know best. You may not.

Be careful - you are revealing what a good researcher you may or may not be.

Ask John what kind of people we are. He will tell you.

Very best wishes, Bill
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:23 PM   #110
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Love you Bill.

Well said!

Please know that most of Avalons supporters do not buy into the rubbish that was posted on this thread by zorgon.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:40 PM   #111
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none of you can know for certain what this forum will become after you have left. You may well regret leaving.

What it "will become"?? probably fairly empty and narrow ..? Just my feeling, as it will lack the rich diversity / volume of information and knowledge and ideas provided by so many members who are not able or willing to pay to post. And, this is exactly one of my earlier points.. Bill/Kerry (I feel) are possibly likely to feel regret about the decision they made at some future point.. I could be wrong..... ho hum..


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You are actually demonstrating that you prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, you want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change. This yearly subscription is in truth very low, and the vast majority would well be able to afford it.
Wow! Did you really mean that or think about it before saying it?? I beg to differ on your view here. I for one, have very little, materailly or financially. I came here as much to share my experiences with others as to learn from others experiences. Memebers who post are not "takers". Many, maybe MOST, are in fact "Givers", as they are sharing and providing information, knowledge, experience and learning. The members contributions are the SOLE content of the Avalon forum.

Also.. how can you possibly comment or know what any single person here does to make a contribution to this world?? Do you know any, or all of them?? What they have done / do now / do in future for others?? Who are you to estimate, assume or judge anybody's commitment or actions or record towards service to others / to the world, or to bringing about positive changes ???



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At this stage in the game i do not see the sense in leaving, because by doing so you will deliberately withold your knowledge and your support to the rest of us who would value your input.
I'm sure nobody who leaves has even contemplated this as being "Deliberately withholding knowlege" or denying "support"... as you seem to see it..... .it's more that many feel why should they be forced to pay to share their knowledge??? Or to participate??

The knowledge on the forum IS the knowledge ALREADY provided FREE OF CHARGE by the current members. So.. your point makes no sense, at any level, to me anyway. In fact, the reality, to me, is quite the reverse !! ... taken logically, surely it would then mean P/Avalon paying MEMBERS for the knowledge they give to create Forum Avalon?? Otherwise P/Avalon is just acting as a 'service to self' by asking people to contribute knowledge and ideas and support, AND then asking them to PAY for the privilege of doing so!!! lol.

........anyway... ...... so.... this post of yours makes me once again realise that the idea of "listening" and "seeking to understand" what many members are saying, instead of judging them/viewing them as 'wrong' comes into play again...

the accusation that people who are leaving "prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, ..want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change" is not only laughable, it is quite insulting and deeply offensive, to me personally (you have NO idea what I do, what I give, or how I interact in this world, not my blanace of GIVE and TAKE in life!!).. and possibly will be equally as insulting and offensive to the many, many people (much more than me!) who have shared so much knowledge, wisdom, love and ideas on here.. and in other's lives/the wider world ... for FREE !!!

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Old 11-19-2008, 08:42 PM   #112
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Jaysus! Avalon is really gettin a good oul beating off the duality stick recently. Tempers flairing and broken hearts all over the place and not forgetting the Love and light crowd still dancing naked and holding hands in the corner. How interesting. Ill miss throwing in a thought or two every now and then her on avalon but Ill still visit to gather info (if theres any left after everyone leaves). I wish everyone all the best. I pray, out of all the theories that are out there on whats gonna happen that we do indeed evolve into something better. If its certain death for all, than Ill see you all next time we reincarnate and start all this bulls**t all over again.

Good bye for now peeps

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Old 11-19-2008, 08:45 PM   #113
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interesting point Truth Voice 2012,

If we are all dead and moving vibration/dimention, why do we need cash ?
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:53 PM   #114
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We did!

It was just about the first thing we posted, as we knew it was important not to ambush people with this.

We actually said (in early September) we'd implement the subscription at the start of October. But there were so many new posts and threads right at the beginning that we do understand that you might well have missed it.

Very best wishes, Bill

It is just a bad business decision to try to charge for something people obviously don't want to pay for.

Subscription models on the web only work for things that people are willing to pay for... like porn.

For everything else there is advertising.

Look at Google. All of their services are free and they make $5B every 3 months.

Unlike forum users, advertisers will go out of their way to give you money.


I admit that advertising is a less then desirable solution but it is a much better solution then your subscription idea.


People love you and we are grateful for the work that you do but you should take some business advice.

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Old 11-19-2008, 08:54 PM   #115
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:56 PM   #116
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Just to let those know, it seems that my presence is greatly desired here so regardless of what happens, my membership has been vouched for by several individuals. Thank you for your gifts and also helping Project Avalon. It seems I will be having a website going up rather shortly with my work and writings.

However, I want people to understand the 'principle' at hand like Zorgan has stated along with historycircus. I also want people to critically think about this as this a major MAJOR philosophical idea that people need to try and wrap their minds around. As you may know, the three of us are active posters on Avalon, and are considered by many to be great assets in terms of the insight we contribute [and I say that out of truth, not modesty]. So, I hope that with that notion, you really try to grasp why the three of us have this position and that it is not based on some 'freeloader' mentality.

Principal first is a huge thing. It comes down to honor and belief. Relate to the movie Braveheart where Mel Gibson is breathing his last breaths in the end of the movie. It seems like the logical thing to do was to 'give in' and renounce your beliefs to save your life. However, he goes to his death with his beliefs. This scene is one of the defining moments in all of Hollywood of the true meaning of honor.

Technically, if we give in to paying a fee, we are indeed renouncing our honor, our beliefs. Through my experience in life, many people have a hard time fully grasping this concept. It relates again to a Chinese proverb I recently used on Avalon, "To know and not to do, is not to know." These concepts are at the core of philosophical understanding. Some of you may indeed grasp the concept of honor, but do you live by it [being that you choose to even recognize it as something of a positive nature versus impractical and foolish as many seem to see].

If one is able to grasp the concept that at the core of this universe is consciousness while hard matter is all but an illusion, then it is behavior that matters over material actions. Connect that notion with honor and survival now.

A 'true' philosopher realizes the reality of ownership and knowledge in that there is no concrete connection between the two. When one applies such a restraint, especially in the terms of knowledge that is being presented that relates to these specific concepts, in my opinion is rather hypocritical.

Bill and Kerry if you read this, I by no means mean to offend or disrespect you but am discussing this from a purely philosophical position. Namaste.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:00 PM   #117
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I beg to differ on your view here. I for one, have very little, materailly or financially. I came here as much to share my experiences with others as to learn from others experiences. Memebers who post are not "takers". Many, maybe MOST, are in fact "Givers", as they are sharing and providing information, knowledge, experience and learning. The members contributions are the SOLE content of the Avalon forum.
I guess it's your very good right to differ.

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Also.. how can you possibly comment or know what any single person here does to make a contribution to this world?? Do you know any, or all of them?? What they have done/do now/do in future?? Who are you to estimate, assume or judge anybody's commitment or actions or record towards service to others, to the world, or to bringing about positive changes???
Why can i not comment? You do! My opinion on this subject may be different from yours, but it's just as valid.

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the accusation that people who are leaving " prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, ..want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change" is not only laughable, it is quite insulting and offensice to the many, many people (much more than me!) who have shared so much knowledge, wisdom, love and ideas on here.. and in life/the woder world ... for FREE !!!
I guess you want everything for free.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:02 PM   #118
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But don't ask the U2 guys to invest in Ireland, their own country of origin,

Taxes are too high !...


salute.

oh i get it,

it would be too cool really with U2...
the band is probably also not anymore what it used to be....
bono is too deep into politics.

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Old 11-19-2008, 09:11 PM   #119
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:15 PM   #120
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I guess it's your very good right to differ.


Why can i not comment? You do! My opinion on this subject may be different from yours, but it's just as valid.


I guess you want everything for free.

Symobolon..

1. there's a very big difference between making a "comment" / having an "opinion" and making accusations/value judgements about people.

2. I don't want anything for free. I don't want anything in fact. I have no 'wants' in my life.

thank you for replying



By the way... one final thought..... not aimed at anyone, just a thought... after all this debate/conflict about money... and "Right" and "privilege" etc.... have some people forgotten what is coming?? What lies ahead???

The fact is.. there is no such thing as MONEY on the 'other side' !!!


Peace and light to all..... and God bless your journey...

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Old 11-19-2008, 09:17 PM   #121
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this really sucks
adios amigos
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:24 PM   #122
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The fact is.. there is no such thing as MONEY on the 'other side' !!!
Very true, but this is not the others side.

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I have no 'wants' in my life.
Not so. Judging from your original aggressive post, you want to be heard...agressively if need be. You have already demonstrated this. I do not recall attacking anyone at all or making hostile comments. You did this, i did not. I merely voiced my opinion, like you did, nothing more.

Peace to you too
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:26 PM   #123
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nor shall I be able to post. I am on a very strict budget. I do know how tight money is these days. And trying to pay down the bills as far and as fast as I can before the big slide hits is all I can do. Also, trying to stock food on a limited food budget doesn't help either.

So, I will keep checking in from time to time to see what's the latest in news.

And I will keep dreaming those dreams as well! Count on it!

Remember to keep fighting the good fight. We shall over come one day.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:32 PM   #124
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speaking of options

http://www.astrovera.com/forum/index.php
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:41 PM   #125
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how about this sponsor?

i mean "virgin"
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