Is Bible True? Why Should I Believe The Bible Is True?

[Kelphi]

This guy makes a pretty good compelling point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkFFgdJeZFM

[voltron]

Read "The Bible Fraud" by Tony Bushby. It will show you how theBible was written and rewritten over adnover to "prove" the Pope's point of view, namely to keep people powerless. Don't you feel guilty that Jesus gave his life for you? How else is one to take this? There were several "Gods" in the Bible. Jehova was a wrathful God. Who else would have you kill your enemy. First let me say I DO believe in God. However Jesus was a composite character. The First Council of Nicaea was held in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day İznik in Turkey), convoked by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in 325 AD, was the first Ecumenical council[1] of the Christian Church, and most significantly resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent general (ecumenical) councils of Bishops' (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy— the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom. (Forgive my spelling.) The combined the Sun worshipers into th4e Son of God. Krishna became Christ. Etc., Etc. Etc. It was all a contrived religion made to keep people from thinking for themselves, mainly by killing everyone who disagreed with it.

[Kelphi]

I know. And with all the man made attempts to discredit the bible it still stands the best tests of reliability and authenticity.

Truly God has spoken. Ain't it cool.

[mntruthseeker]

Jesus was crucified but didn't die on the cross. He suffered as Ghandi or any other great man would. He did it for us. for what was happening to us. Who killed Jesus? Who was behind the one that made the decision? Who killed millions and millions, persecuted in the name of religion?

I believe that Jesus died for us...............not for the sins someone decided to put on us to make us feel guilty.

If God gave Moses the 10 commandments, why did the pope decide to add three mortal sins himself last year?

No, the bible isn't true but I do believe that they put some things in that are true just to fool people.

[taadev]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Jesus was crucified but didn't die on the cross. He suffered as Ghandi or any other great man would. He did it for us. for what was happening to us. Who killed Jesus? Who was behind the one that made the decision? Who killed millions and millions, persecuted in the name of religion?

I believe that Jesus died for us...............not for the sins someone decided to put on us to make us feel guilty.

If God gave Moses the 10 commandments, why did the pope decide to add three mortal sins himself last year?

No, the bible isn't true but I do believe that they put some things in that are true just to fool people.

This is an area I've studied much.
IMHO, the Bible has a lot of truth, but was edited and certain things omitted and inverted to suit the 'editors'. Oddly, parts of what I now believe to be true are scattered across several religions.

Are we not all children of G-d? I believe 'crucified' is meant to be metaphorical and 'Christ' figures have existed before and since; countless undocumented.

Just my two pennies.

Just ask someone that's felt the hand(S) of 'G-d' The Spirit; whatever 'It' is.

[Kelphi]

Yea. I think a lot of people are waking up that the Roman Catholic Church has been the greatest enemy of God.

As you pointed out, there are literally hundreds of documents of Romanism trying to dis-credit Gods word and thwart Gods plan. It has to be quit embarrassing for the tenured Catholic not to mention exhausting to combat within academia.

[Kelphi]

mntruthseeker,

Funny. The most historical event in human history has been the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Over 500 people saw Him rise again. Many of them were just like you-they wanted nothing to do with Him. And most of the people that hung out with Him from town to town ran and hid and lied about being with Him. In a court of law thats pretty telling information.

Your right about one thing-no one killed Jesus. He laid down His own life.

[RubyTuesday]

For a different perspective read Conversations with God. In that series (there are 3 parts) the author is having a conversation with God and in it God rejects the labels put on him by the Bible, claiming much was misinterpreted or those in power at the time simply lied to keep control of people. According to God in this book hell isn't real, there is NO judgment, no ten commandments, original sin was original opportunity and we are all Gods- here to experience being God in the flesh for Him and he wants to experience it all as we take our individual paths on becoming.

It resonates with me and I see no reason we have to believe God spoke in one book and not another.

[Kelphi]

Ruby,

That is exactly the very "spirit" that is so diligently at work on this planet.

All religions outside of Christianity says the exact same thing.

Even the ET's with their endless ramblings communicate the same thing you just posted.

Find that odd at all? Truth is very narrow, mind you.

With Love,

Kelphi

[Greg222]

I got a hot one for you. What is one to think of an historical person who:
1) Was born in humble circumstances
2) Wise men traveled to pay homage at his birth
3) A king made an attempt on his life when he was a child
4) Was caught in a temple as a child questioning the religious leaders of his day
5) Began his ministry at age 30
6) Died a sacrificial death

The misinformed would say, "Oh, that is Jesus, the saviour of mankind!"
But he would be wrong. This list applies to HORUS, the Egyptian 'god' who was worshipped at least 3,000 years B.C.! It's on the internet and in books, look it up.
So this begs the question, where did the biblical stories come from if they are not original? The Sumarian FLOOD account is much older than the bible's. Hmmmm, need to rethink this religion and Bible stuff!

[Kelphi]

Originally Posted by Greg222

I got a hot one for you. What is one to think of an historical person who:
1) Was born in humble circumstances
2) Wise men traveled to pay homage at his birth
3) A king made an attempt on his life when he was a child
4) Was caught in a temple as a child questioning the religious leaders of his day
5) Began his ministry at age 30
6) Died a sacrificial death

The misinformed would say, "Oh, that is Jesus, the saviour of mankind!"
But he would be wrong. This list applies to HORUS, the Egyptian 'god' who was worshipped at least 3,000 years B.C.! It's on the internet and in books, look it up.
So this begs the question, where did the biblical stories come from if they are not original? The Sumarian FLOOD account is much older than the bible's. Hmmmm, need to rethink this religion and Bible stuff!

Who said the biblical stories are not original? Did you come to this conclusion by reading Greek mythology? Sweety, Horus the sky god, is an ancient Greek mythological character. Its a fable. Its lore. And concerning the flood, Noah's flood in the bible, it was a world wide event that all civilizations record of in the same time period about 4400 years ago.

You can believe or twist history all you need to but the fact is the bible does not contradict itself ever. Bible and God haters have tried futilely for centuries and yet it still stands.

[Ampgod]

I don't know if it's true or false.
Shall I just take someone's word for it?

My answer is.... I DON'T KNOW if it's true or false.
You don't either!

Maybe soon we will all find out???

I, personally, would guess the bible is not essential for anyone.

[raulduke]

Well said Ampgog.

We simply have no way of knowing for sure, and those who claim to know are deluding themselves. You may believe (and that's good), but you don't know, and claiming to know is not helping those who are looking at this rationally. We should let people come to their own conclusions w/o all the coercion/missionaryism.

To those who claim to know the unearthly repercussions of my earthly intents/actions:

Have you ever died before?

No?

O.k. well you've spoken w/ someone who has then?

No?

O.k. well you've read about it in a book then?

Yes? O.k. then that sounds plausible, I'll accept all that as fact w/o ever questioning it.

The bible has some good if read like Aesop. They are stories that may or may not be relevant to you personally. I agree w/ Anchor here, just take what is relevant to you. Why does it all have to be true or all not true? I'm sure some stuff in there is true, and some is purely fabricated. Not to mention all the partial truths, just look at all the different interpertations of the same events from the different authors of the books of the bible. If "God" had soley inspired this work, why so many contradictions? But yeah even those "contradictions" are subject to personal interpertation. See what I mean?

I don't see why those who believe in the "truth" of the bible feel compelled to force their way of thinking on others. If you want to read the bible as literal fact then so be it, I couldn't care less, until you start forcing your beliefs upon others.

Do you really need a book to tell you to be a good person?

So please allow for each his/her own.

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Ampgod

I don't know if it's true or false.
Shall I just take someone's word for it?

My answer is.... I DON'T KNOW if it's true or false.
You don't either!

Maybe soon we will all find out???

I, personally, would guess the bible is not essential for anyone.

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

You can believe or twist history all you need to but the fact is the bible does not contradict itself ever.

Ten rules. If you break any one of them you will burn in hell for all eternity. But he loves you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

The sixth commandment is "Thou shall not kill.". God violated His own commandment in ordering the destruction of entire cities, just to allow the Jews to have a homeland in the Middle East. The Bible confirms that God ordered the killing of thousands of people. Isn't this an open and shut case for the hypocrisy of the God of the Bible? Believers will tell you there is justified and non-justified killing; thus God only committed justified murder.

Wouldnt it have been justified for Peter to use his sword in the garden of gethsemane? After all they were coming to kill the son of GOD!! But no, Jesus told him to put away his sword. Jesus believed in love and non-violence. But then again there was that hissy fit he throws when he sees that the temple has been converted to a sleazy market place. Jesus loses his control and throws everyone out.

These are stories, some say myths. I see plenty of contradictions. Some due to tampering by mortals, some due to tampering by the church.

We are all gods, we just dont understand how to wield all that power in a safe way. Imagine if you were a god and every thought you had would manifest itself. Pretty scary if you consider that everyone has this power. Time to start using the brain for what it was meant for and trust our hearts for guiding our actions.

May you all experience the oneness that we are.

[utarion]

There is a law and there is a lawgiver. The bible is the only book that can stand up to scrutiny and has never failed in its truths and its prohecies. its up to everone of us to weather we except it or reject it.

But if I were you I would at least understand what is written and why before you dismissed it.

its not wise to ask anyone on this forum if its true or not. Because it is up to the individual to find the truth.

The promise is if you ask it will be given, if you seek you will find. And if you knock the door will open.
Every action is done be you.

I believe it to be 100% true in its entirity...

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The bible is the wrord of god. which version is the truest? the king james verson or one of the others?

You guys do know that the bible is nothing more than a colelction of tales, most of which go back to the sumerian era right?

The bible. the biggest single obstacle to unity. give into fear. you must fear god! I dont need a middle man thanks.

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

Sweety, Horus the sky god, is an ancient Greek mythological character. Its a fable. Its lore.

It's not just the story of Horus. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vm_wh-84D8

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by hueyii

It's not just the story of Horus. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vm_wh-84D8

That makes perfect sense to me, the bible is just a story book and certainly not a book you should run your life by.
Jesus is just one of many different ways of describing the changing of the seasons and the movement of the stars.

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Swanny

That makes perfect sense to me, the bible is just a story book and certainly not a book you should run your life by.
Jesus is just one of many different ways of describing the changing of the seasons and the movement of the stars.

Hi man

Aaall the sources of Zeitgeist part 1 are theosophical ones.

The theosophist invented the non-cientific idea of the non-existence of jehoshua.


Is totally non cientific.


By the way, the teosophists are luciferians, let's see a quote from the creator of Teosophy:

Madame Blavasky created teosophy, lets see a quote from her:

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. 11)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God."
pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

So, believing that Jehoshua'ha Messaiah don't exist you are totally buying all the luciferian not cientific doctrine with your eyes closed.

See this to compare to the part 1 of Zeitgeist:

Zeitgeist Part 1 DEBUNKED!

You will understand that Zeitgeist part 1 is all errors, misinterpretations, omitions deliberately organized.

Read "Who's playing Jesus games?" by Jonathan Grey, there he compiles the cientific information about the existence of Jehoshua'ha Messaiah, About a dozen historians of the early times who are or not christians talk about him without counting the historicity of the bible who the scholars consider a real historic document, at least the new testament.

So is totally non-cientific the teosophic-channeled idea of the non-existence of Jehoshua'ha Messaiah

The more you look the creators of the idea of the non existence of Jehoshua'ha Messaiah, the theosophists the more you will understand the uncientific anti-evidence and why that idea. That's happened to me, they are totally luciferic and many of the new age and theosopic books are "channeled", and researching in that concept you will understand the level of the scam, see Randall a Baer "inside the new age nightmare" book, the history of Carolyn Hamlett, Bill Schnoebelen's history for start.

Another thing.

The Catholic church is based on a fussion of many things and the live of the Real Jehoshua ha'Messaiah, Like the history of mytrhas who are of the line of the ancient mistery cults (like the thing of Nimrod-semiramis and tamuz in babylon or the equivalent of Osiris-isis and horus in egypt).

Sadly is the church of rome, not the church of christianity, the church of rome persecute the christians for 1000 years. The church of rome are the one who controls the New World Order stuff with the off world entities. (ok that's odd, but you must reckognize that isn't the rarest thing in this forum, haha)

See Alberto Rivera.

cheerzz

Any harder to believe than ancient monsters living on a planet on the outer edges of our solar system who wait for a few thousand years to jump to earth and scrxw Earth women? Any harder to believe than underground reptillian monsters who wage galactic war on our ancestors, who by the way, are also aliens?

Give me a break . . .

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

Who said the biblical stories are not original? Did you come to this conclusion by reading Greek mythology? Sweety, Horus the sky god, is an ancient Greek mythological character. Its a fable. Its lore. And concerning the flood, Noah's flood in the bible, it was a world wide event that all civilizations record of in the same time period about 4400 years ago.

You can believe or twist history all you need to but the fact is the bible does not contradict itself ever. Bible and God haters have tried futilely for centuries and yet it still stands.

Greek?! GREEK?! Oh wow, you REALLY know your stuff...

...Thanks for the laugh. Keep it coming...

[macleodmunro]

Hey Folks, who cares if zeitgeist is right or not, or if Jesus was a real person.
His teachings were spot on.

Love thy neighbour and all that, love and compassion, service to others, forgiveness, humility.

Basically read the fruits of the spirit and you can't go wrong.

Also he taught of the comming harvest, bad weeds allowed to grow with the good wheat.
Then comes a time when God takes all the good wheat.

So just be a good wheat.

Peace from Paul

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Greg222

I got a hot one for you. What is one to think of an historical person who:
1) Was born in humble circumstances
2) Wise men traveled to pay homage at his birth
3) A king made an attempt on his life when he was a child
4) Was caught in a temple as a child questioning the religious leaders of his day
5) Began his ministry at age 30
6) Died a sacrificial death

The misinformed would say, "Oh, that is Jesus, the saviour of mankind!"
But he would be wrong. This list applies to HORUS, the Egyptian 'god' who was worshipped at least 3,000 years B.C.! It's on the internet and in books, look it up.
So this begs the question, where did the biblical stories come from if they are not original? The Sumarian FLOOD account is much older than the bible's. Hmmmm, need to rethink this religion and Bible stuff!

Hi man

The last news from that history is that allllll the sources of Zeitgeist part 1 are theosophical ones.


That's mean that are luciferian. And that's mean that they want badly to eliminate the figure of Jehoshua ha'Messaiah.

Examples:

Madame Blavasky created teosophy, lets see a quote from her:

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. 11)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God."
pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

Ok. Let's see now something to compare the part 1 of Zeitgeist:

Zeitgeist Part 1 DEBUNKED!

You will understand that Zeitgeist part 1 is all errors, misinterpretations, omitions deliberately organized.

Why? because that what they do!

Another thing.

The Catholic church is based on a fussion of many things and the live of the Real Jehoshua ha'Messaiah, Like the history of mytrhas who are of the line of the ancient mistery cults (like the thing of Nimrod-semiramis and tamuz in babylon or the equivalent of Osiris-isis and horus in egypt). Sadly is the church of rome, not the church of christianity, the church of rome persecute the christians for 1000 years.

See Alberto Rivera.

cheerz

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

Ruby,

That is exactly the very "spirit" that is so diligently at work on this planet.

All religions outside of Christianity says the exact same thing.

Even the ET's with their endless ramblings communicate the same thing you just posted.

Find that odd at all? Truth is very narrow, mind you.

With Love,

Kelphi

Why is truth narrow? Where did that paradigm come from? Who says it's narrow? Are you saying that Christianity is right because it doesn't agree with anything else? And not so much Christianity but the Bible. Different Christians believe different things and even read the Bible different ways- I don't think it's all lies but I do believe there are definitely contortions of God's word. To each his/her own, though. Whatever brings you closer to God, though! I can respectfully disagree and say MY truth is not YOUR truth and that truth is only as narrow as you make it.